1,000 yards as a measure of a RB has been ridiculous since the league went to a 16 game season. How many yards would Jim Brown have if he played in a 16 game season? 15,024 yards in 9 seasons. Brown retired in his prime. If he played as long as Emmitt Smith, he would have over 30,000 rushing yards.I count 16 with 1,000+ yards. So half the league had a thousand yard rusher. Hyde being among them supports my argument in my opinion. No reason DJ can't match that output assuming my previously stated caveat of 16 full games is met.
Additionally, many of the RB between #17 and 32 in rushing yards didn't play 16 games and several who did play 16 were in a more balanced platoon situation than I expect between David and Duke.
1,000 yards in 16 full games is not unrealistic in my view.
Well, after last season and months of quarantine....This is what I'm afraid of. Then back to same ol stuff.
I agree and hope O'Brien's sole input is SCORE!Have we ever figured out what O’Brien wants to do on offense yet? Making these predictions (pass yardages and how many yards David Johnson has this season) is particularly difficult with this team. Good conversations but none of us should feel too comfortable telling others their predictions are bad. I honestly have no idea what to expect. Especially when considering we have a rookie OC, and a HC that has too often game planned his offense right into the teeth of the opposing defenses strength.
I think if we see the Patriots offense as you described the Texans will lose almost every game. The way this offense has been created this off season I expect to see big time plays Almost every down. Successful? That remains to be seen. We don't have RBs or WRs for small cuts, as I see this roster. TEs may bring some short gains for first downs but I just cannot picture these RBs getting them consistently. If we try to run as much as Coach has historically mandated, the Dolphins will be ecstatic.I got that. I'm just afraid ol OB is too much of an egomaniac to just hand the reigns to Kelly and let him go. Just my personal opinion of course. Lots of questions to be answered. Will Kelly have the cajones to scrap much of OB's tired, boring playbook and implement his own? Will OB let him? I'm kind of leaning to @steelbtexan idea that Watson can now spread the heck out of the ball. Lots of options to throw to but the playbook has got to be more creative than....1,001,1,002,1,003,1,004,1,005, oh crap, run for your life and chuck it to Hopkins. I guess in seasons past Watson could have only got to 1,003 before tuckin and runnin!
As much as I dislike the Pats, I wouldn't mind seeing a "death by a thousand cuts" offense like Brady and company used. With Cooks and Fuller it could be a few hundred cuts and then the cut to the jugular. Ahhh, wishful thinking.
I wrote that wrong and was too lazy to go back and change it. I meant that DJX2 in the backfield, the TE's and Cobb and Stills will provide the thousand cuts. Add the running game that I would expect to be better. THEN Cooks and Fuller will supply the kill shot when the Safeties start sneaking up. That's when Fuller and Cooks can test that hammies!If Cook and Fuller are to get hundreds of little cuts they will be in Hospital emergency rooms after every game.
I know Uncle Rico has me on ignore and I never bother responding to his posts, but this one I 100 percent agree with. 800-1000 yards if healthy, 400 receiving yards and 5-6 TDs, but will most likely go down with injury.If he stays healthy. 800 yards rushing 400 yards receiving 6TDs.
but he wont stay healthy.
He did between 500-700 his first three years, and without a true WR1 taking a lot of targets, there will be a spreading of the wealth. Is this more a matter of thinking that OB won't use him properly, or about his ability to produce at that level?Rushing seems low, receiving seems high.
What are you talking about? David Johnson didn’t get 500-700 yards receiving his first 3 years. He has only broke 500 yards once in his entire career.He did between 500-700 his first three years, and without a true WR1 taking a lot of targets, there will be a spreading of the wealth. Is this more a matter of thinking that OB won't use him properly, or about his ability to produce at that level?
Ah, this is the challenge with two D. Johnsons on the roster. I clicked on the wrong one. Thanks for graciously correcting me.What are you talking about? David Johnson didn’t get 500-700 yards receiving his first 3 years. He has only broke 500 yards once in his entire career.
Of course we'll have to see, but given the makeup and skill sets of our players, an Air Coryell offensive scheme seems most likely. I thought we had discussed this some weeks back.Have we ever figured out what O’Brien wants to do on offense yet? Making these predictions (pass yardages and how many yards David Johnson has this season) is particularly difficult with this team. Good conversations but none of us should feel too comfortable telling others their predictions are bad. I honestly have no idea what to expect. Especially when considering we have a rookie OC, and a HC that has too often game planned his offense right into the teeth of the opposing defenses strength.
If you ask me … and you didn't -Of course we'll have to see, but given the makeup and skill sets of our players, an Air Coryell offensive scheme seems most likely. I thought we had discussed this some weeks back.
Actually, Schaub was damn good running the WCO. He just wasn’t the same after his foot injury. The Butt Chins love to point at 2013 as if that was prime Schaub and ignore 09-2012. His play fake/play action was sick, and he was no dual threat QB by any stretch of the imagination. I can only imagine how good Watson could be running the WCO with the ZBS. Our O-line would probably be top 10 as it stands.This question wasn't directed to you, but you mean a guy like Schaub?
I was just curious which QB they thought wouldn't be better running the WCO.
Wow, open ended comment. I have to agree that the two Johnsons are ideal for the WCO.If you ask me … and you didn't -
I'd say a west coast system best suits this bunch - particularly Watson and the two backs.
Yes, but it's an extremely complicated offense in its defensive reads and requires the QB and the receivers to be making these reads the same. It's a veteran offense that requires discipline, cohension and familiarity between the players.You got to admit the WCO is a beautiful offense to watch when it's clicking
We disagree here on a lot of issues …..Wow, open ended comment. I have to agree that the two Johnsons are ideal for the WCO.
What are the signature features of the WCO? First it would be an emphases on the passing game over the running game and at the low end, a 70-30 split.
Second would have to be an emphases on the horizontal game rather than the vertical, with short, high percentage passes with 10-15 yd passes. A third feature is the use of quicker, and faster, running QB's. The QB is required to quickly read and pick the best receiver to throw to and be extremely accurate in his passes.
The route tree's are really no more complicated than the EP …. take what the defenders give.The WCO is also a complicated offense, with the receivers having to make as many as three reads and adjusting their routes depending on the defense and their reads. The QB is required to make the same reads and be in sync with their receivers. The receivers are required to run a precise, complicated route tree. The QB typically has a progression of three reads before checking off to the RB or a TE.
Really don't think that's the case - what it requires is precise route runners - size doesn't matter - good routes and great hands do.Finally, the WCO emphasizes smaller, sure handed receivers who can catch in traffic and then has run-after-the-catch ability.
Great TE play can be incorporated into any scheme - We used to call one of our TE's Open Daniels …. Again , as I said up above , what you run is based off of who you got running it.The reason I suspect the Texans' offense will more closely be Air Coryell is the personnel they have put in place. We have a strong TE group, not an emphasis in the WCO. We also have two deep burners in Fuller and Cook who more closely match up to a Coryell passing offense.
Also the offense is less complicated in the reads than that required by the WCO, with the deep pass being the first option. With WR and RB motion, a staple of AC, it's easier for the QB to read whether the defense will be in man or zone. Also, a Watson strength is the accuracy of his deep ball.
The differences are one stretching vertically while the other stretches both horizontally and vertically at the same time - some of the same concepts that make RRO's / RRPO's work are rooted in the WCO.O'Brian has always placed an emphasis on running the football. Air Coryell does this more so than the WCO
Here is a good quick summary. It almost seems like the Patriots incorporated more WCO elements in their EP version. While O'Brien has incorporated more Air Coryell concepts.How would you define the difference between the WCO & the EP systems?
Watch the 1981 49ers to see the original version of the WCO. RBs had over 40% of the team's completions. The passes to the backs offset the running game. Moved the LBs outside to cover, and opened up the middle for slants and crossing routes. Changed the game forever.The only real difference between the WCO & the EP is terminology.
Watch the 1981 49ers to see the original version of the WCO. RBs had over 40% of the team's completions. The passes to the backs offset the running game. Moved the LBs outside to cover, and opened up the middle for slants and crossing routes. Changed the game forever.
The only team recently that looks like the '81 Niners? The Patriots of the past 5 years (with the EP terminology). RBs regularly pickup 30%+ of the team's receptions. The Texans? Less than 20% to the RBs. We'll see if that changes much with the addition of David Johnson.
Wow. Single face mask Kenny Anderson. I remember him. I hated Sam Wyche and his quick snap a bit later.Just for the record …. that's not the original version of Walsh's offense - that would be the Bengals of the early 70's with Virgil Carter and then Ken Anderson at QB under Paul Brown ….