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Hopkins traded to Cardinals?
- Thread starter PapaL
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Speed kills
7.8
Wow
He's replaceable, if a WR gets his hands on 100 catches, you would hope he would have more than 800 yds.
I didn't realize this
Texansballer74
The Marine
Lmao typical
Of what?
I'm very surprised at Nuk's Yds per catch.
I would've thought that would've been much higher.
not really....
think about it, Nuk has been largely used as a possession guy. We need 5, 7, 12 yds for a 1st down we went to Nuk
we wanted to take the top off the defense, we went to Fuller.
Both guys are necessary
but *I* suspect they'll focus more on the running game given O'Brien's latest moves.
I still would've thought his YPC would've been over 10.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Geez... you really should fact check yourself before you post.
Nuk has NEVER averaged under 10 YPC!!!
The stat CND mentioned was yards per TARGET!
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Would this be due to Hopkins skills eroding? I would liken it more to the lack of any of the other receivers making a name for themselves. Hopkins got the double teams and the other guys were too busy running the wrong routes or on the bench due to injury. I've mentioned din the past that Hopkins didn't really possess the speed to be a true WR1 but should've been the WR2. Does that make him any less of a top NFL receiver? No, just another receiver who would benefit from a healthier 2nd WR and better plan attack. I think he's going to have a major impact with the Cardinals since they have Kirk and Fitzgerald to pair him with.
RGV82
Random guy
Fitzgerald faded heavily last year.... I think Watkins and Kirk will be the 1 and 2, and Fitz will do his farewell tour.... with Hopkins in town and Kirk improving, it's likely Fitz gets no more than 50-60 receptions, and maybe 500-600 yards tops.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Bill OBrien INTENTIONALLY thrust Hopkins into a slot role. His thoughts were probably that he could have two burners on the outside and have the "sure handed" guys get all the short/intermediate middle field stuff. OBrien tried to get Michael Thomas out of Nuk and he misplayed the talent.
That single move is what probably ruined the relationship IMO, and removed one of the biggest playmakers you had from the field. It was a dumb, and has ultimately backfired. Guys who can work the sidelines like Nuk and get the ball at the high point arent all over the place. Fast WRs are a dime a dozen.
Nuk is top 3 WR in the entire league and its not even debatable. The standard operating procedure around these parts is in play. Love them while they're here and CHEAP, turn on them when they want $$ or leave and then create narratives or outright slander the guy when he's gone. Crazy. Not saying you're doing it but the vibe is starting to trend in the "Hopkins in decline/eroding" storyline and not single data point or logical argument can be made for that statement. Not one.
Lack of scheme, design, planning, knowledge, offense, reason, adjustment.....
Not Nuk.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
You didn't realize it because you chose to view the stats to fit the outcome you wanted.
Doc quoted Yards per Target of 7.8, not Yards per catch
He DID have more than 800 yards 1165 actually (don't short change the guy).
Yards per catch was 11.2 for 1165 yards
In case your wondering (who else would you consider big-play receivers?)
| Player | Receptions | Targets | Yards per Catch | Yards per Target | Catch % | |
| DeAndre Hopkins | 104 | 150 | 11.2 | 7.8 | 69.3 | |
| Julio Jones | 99 | 157 | 14.1 | 8.9 | 63.1 | |
| Stefon Diggs | 63 | 94 | 17.9 | 12 | 67 | |
| Tyreek Hill | 58 | 89 | 14.8 | 9.7 | 65.2 | *only 12 games |
| Hopkins Career | 1048 | 632 | 13.6 | 8.2 | 60.3 |
Diggs - I don't watch much of Minn. but guy balled last year - can easily see why he was valued high and landed the trade value he did.
Hops per catch yards are lower than most, but so are his per target yards - pretty sure Hop isn't choosing which routes to run - that's a little thing called the playbook.
Only trying to point out, you can agree with the trade - love it / hate it ect. - but we have moved into 'eh Hopkins was just a guy' territory and his talent shouldn't be a question.
I would provide links to where I got the data... but no
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OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I've been pro Hopkins since his arrival. There has been times I discussed the benefits of trading Hopkins for picks......RD1 and RD2 picks......not a 11.2M has-been, a RD2 pick and a RD4 in 2021!!!
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Yeeesh!! I wish I could say the same - I wanted Cordarelle Patterson! Glad Im not the GM huh! (Rick Smith is smiling every time he reads Texan news)
You didn't realize it because you chose to view the stats to fit the outcome you wanted.
Doc quoted Yards per Target of 7.8, not Yards per catch
He DID have more than 800 yards 1165 actually (don't short change the guy).
Yards per catch was 11.2 for 1165 yards
In case your wondering (who else would you consider big-play receivers?)
Player Receptions Targets Yards per Catch Yards per Target Catch % DeAndre Hopkins Julio Jones Stefon Diggs Tyreek Hill *only 12 games Hopkins Career
2019 was a down year for Hop both in yards per catch and yards per target - for his career (including 2019) he has been comparable to Jones and Hill.
Diggs - I don't watch much of Minn. but guy balled last year - can easily see why he was valued high and landed the trade value he did.
Hops per catch yards are lower than most, but so are his per target yards - pretty sure Hop isn't choosing which routes to run - that's a little thing called the playbook.
Only trying to point out, you can agree with the trade - love it / hate it ect. - but we have moved into 'eh Hopkins was just a guy' territory and his talent shouldn't be a question.
I would provide links to where I got the data... but no
You do realize that I didn't look at any stats. I was just replying to CnD's post
Geez I guess the lockdown has us all a little sensitive today.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Circular reasoning is doing its thing. SMH.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
In all fairness, the only one I have seen being 'sensitive' lately is you whenever someone challenges one of your posts with facts. I was just continuing the conversation with what I thought was pertinent and interesting stats. Maybe you need a timeout?
Really don't know why you are taking issue with what I post, but if it bothers you that much there is an ignore feature.
So Julio has 839 yards per target? How the hell is that possible?You didn't realize it because you chose to view the stats to fit the outcome you wanted.
Doc quoted Yards per Target of 7.8, not Yards per catch
He DID have more than 800 yards 1165 actually (don't short change the guy).
Yards per catch was 11.2 for 1165 yards
In case your wondering (who else would you consider big-play receivers?)
2019 was a down year for Hop both in yards per catch and yards per target - for his career (including 2019) he has been comparable to Jones and Hill.
Player Receptions Targets Yards per Catch Yards per Target Catch % DeAndre Hopkins Julio Jones Stefon Diggs Tyreek Hill *only 12 games Hopkins Career
Diggs - I don't watch much of Minn. but guy balled last year - can easily see why he was valued high and landed the trade value he did.
Hops per catch yards are lower than most, but so are his per target yards - pretty sure Hop isn't choosing which routes to run - that's a little thing called the playbook.
Only trying to point out, you can agree with the trade - love it / hate it ect. - but we have moved into 'eh Hopkins was just a guy' territory and his talent shouldn't be a question.
I would provide links to where I got the data... but no
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
Thanks - should have been 8.9, but I fat-fingered the 3 instead of the decimal on the Numpad. It's fixed now.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansballer74
The Marine
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
anybody not being intentionally DENSE understood the context and could deduce what he meant lol.
banned1976
sleeper mode
This is never going away. Hopkins is going to do in Arizona the same kind of things he did here. He’s going to be unstoppable. And we’re going to talk about it. Some of us will lament him not being here after/during/before game days and others will deflect and blame Watson if/when the offense sputters.
The O’Brien arguments are only going to be more amplified when the season starts. Because now there’s going to be a living, breathing human being behind O’Brien dumbassery, not some system that we could argue was at fault, or some made up destructive tensions between the coaching and front office staffs. In that respect I’m glad Cal promoted O’Brien. I’d rather the Texans be the model of how business should be done in the NFL instead of a lesson learned on what not to do, but at least we’ll all know who is to blame. That’s the gift of the HC/GM. The bullseye.
The O’Brien arguments are only going to be more amplified when the season starts. Because now there’s going to be a living, breathing human being behind O’Brien dumbassery, not some system that we could argue was at fault, or some made up destructive tensions between the coaching and front office staffs. In that respect I’m glad Cal promoted O’Brien. I’d rather the Texans be the model of how business should be done in the NFL instead of a lesson learned on what not to do, but at least we’ll all know who is to blame. That’s the gift of the HC/GM. The bullseye.
At this point, does anyone still believe Hopkins got traded because he wanted a new contract?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yes according to this https://www.google.com/amp/s/cardsw...ins-contract-extension-arizona-cardinals/amp/
Go ahead and report me again UR just like last time i disagreed with you.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Hopkins will have a huge season due to being in a "High Octane" offense versus an offense operated with massive "Drag Shutes".
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Cooks is so fast he gave himself 2 wind induced concussions within a 5 game period last season b/c he inadverdantly turned into the wind versus keeping the wind at his back as instructed by team doctors. I'm officially giving "OptimisticTexan" to Bill O'Brien b/c he's betting the house that some of these broken down players are going to make huge 16 game comebacks under his tuteledge.
For those counting......that probably knocks drafting a WR in this years draft. Like I stated, OB's going to draft for the trenches.
For those counting......that probably knocks drafting a WR in this years draft. Like I stated, OB's going to draft for the trenches.
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Say hi to Cooks
Awesome, we got Johnson and Cooks for Hopkins.
And moved up 17 spots in the 2nd rd
That's the equivalent of a mid-3rd round pick.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
To draft another te?
Mediocrity is mediocrity.
O'Brien's two amazing playoff wins don't change that fact.
It's amusing to see you towing the company line these days. Cal appreciates it.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Really interesting article...
www.houstonchronicle.com
Solomon: Texans fans defending DeAndre Hopkins trade a head-scratcher
The rush by some Texans fans to defend ownership's money from DeAndre Hopkins' silent...
RGV82
Random guy
Ok so he wanted a raise. So the question is, what is the difference in pay between how much we are paying David Johnson and Brandin Cooks vs. what Hopkins wanted? We would have signed Cobb regardless, so he is not a factor. In terms of pay it would have been paying a drafted RB and Hopkins, or Johnson and Cooks.... with Cobb signing here regardless. If you ask me, a drafted RB and Hopkins would be a better bang for your buck. We lost a 2nd rounder for Cooks, and I think we could have drafted a RB better than David Johnson and paid him WAY less, and Hopkins is way better than Cooks. So once again, BOBs logic makes no sense.Really interesting article...
Solomon: Texans fans defending DeAndre Hopkins trade a head-scratcher
The rush by some Texans fans to defend ownership's money from DeAndre Hopkins' silent...
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Bam ^^^^^^Took the words right outa my mouth. Great post....great truth.
KoolAid Sipper
AFCEVET
If this all fails, then 2022 should line up with a new staff, a full compliment of draft picks and a whole bunch of Texanstalk "I told you so" posts.
beerlover
Hall of Fame
I’d rather not wait, just get it over with now and give this team, it’s fans and city some freaking hope.
Agreed
I'm not towing the company line. I'm hoping for the best and think the WR corps has been improved over all with the addition of Cooks/Cobb even with the loss of Nuk.
I hope this trade doesn't preclude them from picking another WR late in the draft. There should be a good developmental guy late in the draft that can help out on ST's while learning as a rookie.
Unless you're looking for more speed at WR.
One things for sure, the WR corps is going to look more like the Chiefs WR corps than anything the Texans have ever had.
This is BOB's vision of what he wants his WR/team to look like. You can disagree with his vision if you like, but it's not going to change anything. You should be hoping for the best.
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RGV82
Random guy
Lol, I personally do not think this is his vision. I think he realized he dropped the bomb and messed up trading Hopkins for David Johnson and tried to recover by acquiring Cooks.
Cooks/Johnson and a mid 3rd rd pick plus a 2021 4th.
It's really better than a mid 3rd rd pick because you should be able to draft a better player at 40 than at 57.