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Hopkins traded to Cardinals?

Earl34 said:
Interesting. So what can we assume from the stats?
  1. Watson is just as effective throwing to other WRs as he did with Hopkins?
  2. Watson was throwing to Hopkins more than the other WRs combined because of trust, injuries and inconsistencies?
  3. Watson was too reliant on his #1 WR?
  4. Other
  5. All of the above
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I see it as "other." When you think of the elite #1 receiver, his stats/production/efficiency is expected to be above and beyond that of the rest of other receivers. And along those lines, in recent years, it was quite evident that the teams' production was fiercely dependent on the absence or presence of one receiver only...............Fuller. Fuller's presence created Fuller's own high numbers/production and hence the Texans' production.................His absence or presence did little to affect Hopkins' overall numbers production.
 
Earl34 said:
Interesting. So what can we assume from the stats?
  1. Watson is just as effective throwing to other WRs as he did with Hopkins?
  2. Watson was throwing to Hopkins more than the other WRs combined because of trust, injuries and inconsistencies?
  3. Watson was too reliant on his #1 WR?
  4. Other
  5. All of the above
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#2 it was mostly b/c Nuk was there in the line up as much as it was trust.

and like Cloak said, there’s 1 WR whose absence or presence made a huge deal to our offense...& it wasn’t Nuk.
 
nut said:
As one source explained it to PFT, Johnson has had a preliminary physical performed on his wrist, which was injured in Week One of the 2017 season. He passed that portion of the physical, despite reduced range of motion that initially caused the doctor (not an NFL doctor) to hesitate. Johnson still has to take a physical as to the rest of his body.
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Ummmmmmm.....
 
I agree that the Texans offense seemed to go stale with Fuller out of the lineup. However, we can't downplay Nuk's value to the offense because he's been available and has received an abundance of targets. The $$$ question is what if Nuk had missed considerable time, how would that have affected the offense? Would it have been a greater or lesser effect than Fuller's absence?

So many reports out there such as the Cardinals head coach said the deal came together rather quickly...IMO that's not a good thing especially looking at the compensation.
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Kingsbury: Hopkins trade will be done by draft

Cardinals coach Kliff Kingsbury said Tuesday that he has no doubt the trade that landed wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins from the Texans in return for running back David Johnson will be completed before the NFL draft begins on April 23.
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Then Florio says Hopkins is on lock down in Cali
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Kliff Kingsbury not concerned about DeAndre Hopkins trade - ProFootballTalk

The trade that eventually will send David Johnson from the Cardinals to the Texans and DeAndre Hopkins from the Texans to the Cardinals still isn’t done, because the physicals haven’t been completed. With a pair of 2020 draft picks attached to the transaction (a second-rounder and a...
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How can he be on lock down in Cali if he's in Houston working out with Fuller?
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DeAndre Hopkins working out with Will Fuller in Houston - ProFootballTalk

DeAndre Hopkins remains in Houston, even if the Texans have moved on from him.The Texans traded Hopkins to the Cardinals on March 16.Cardinals coach Kliff Kingsbury said Tuesday he is unconcerned despite Hopkins and David Johnson still needing to pass physicals to finalize the trade. Hopkins...
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Mr teX said:
#2 it was mostly b/c Nuk was there in the line up as much as it was trust.

and like Cloak said, there’s 1 WR whose absence or presence made a huge deal to our offense...& it wasn’t Nuk.
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That's true that Fuller's absence was a huge deal to the offense, but are you claiming Nuk's absence wouldn't be a greater deal? That's a bit unfair to say, considering the Texans have never played a meaningful game w/o Nuk.
 
Hopkins could demand big money but I've read several speculations as to what the new deal could entail. I think, like I mentioned before, Hopkins could be happy with getting his last 3 years guaranteed.....while moving some of that contract money up front. If Hopkins wants more money and the Cardinals want to keep his cap hit at a certain level they just give him the additional money up front along with some of his guaranteed contract money and help keep his cap hits reasonable for a star WR.

I don't why OB didn't offer to guarantee his final 3 years and up fronting 50% of that contract while reducing his cap hit in 2020.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Will Fuller vs the other teams #1 CB should go over well.

"DeAndre Hopkins didnt really do anything to the offense we can live without him, its WILL FULLER that we need"

LMAO.
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Playing devils advocate, why does the offense drop off so much when Fullers not on the field? I don’t think anyone thinks Fuller is a better WR than Hop, but we clearly miss his impact when he doesn’t play. BTW, I’ve been a ND fan for over 30 yrs and I’ve seen Fuller play forever. I think you might be surprised how well he gets open, even against number 1 CBs. The bigger question is can he play @ least 14 games.
 
otisbean said:
Playing devils advocate, why does the offense drop off so much when Fullers not on the field? I don’t think anyone thinks Fuller is a better WR than Hop, but we clearly miss his impact when he doesn’t play. BTW, I’ve been a ND fan for over 30 yrs and I’ve seen Fuller play forever. I think you might be surprised how well he gets open, even against number 1 CBs. The bigger question is can he play @ least 14 games.
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Will Fuller’s potential has always been hindered by injury. His last 3 seasons he has played 11 games, 7 games, and 10 games. He would definitely be regarded as an upper tier WR if he was able to stay healthy. When you start your career off injury prone, you usually never amount to much unfortunately. All long term successful WRs start their careers off healthy and become injury prone later on.... Fuller has never shown he can stay healthy.... so I doubt he will ever be reliable.
 
Earl34 said:
Interesting. So what can we assume from the stats?
  1. Watson is just as effective throwing to other WRs as he did with Hopkins?
  2. Watson was throwing to Hopkins more than the other WRs combined because of trust, injuries and inconsistencies?
  3. Watson was too reliant on his #1 WR?
  4. Other
  5. All of the above
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1 and 2.

I believe the Texans should be passing much more to the backs and TE’s w/o Hopkins here. But I’ve guessed wrong too often with O’Brien running the offense. Even though he officially passed the offensive play calls off to someone else, he’ll still have final veto power over that and major input on the game plan. He wants his offense to pound the ball between the tackles and he’s going to try and do that regardless of the personnel. And right now they don’t have that kind of back.
 
otisbean said:
Playing devils advocate, why does the offense drop off so much when Fullers not on the field? I don’t think anyone thinks Fuller is a better WR than Hop, but we clearly miss his impact when he doesn’t play. BTW, I’ve been a ND fan for over 30 yrs and I’ve seen Fuller play forever. I think you might be surprised how well he gets open, even against number 1 CBs. The bigger question is can he play @ least 14 games.
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we had fuller for the KC playoff game - what impact did he have then? Oh wait thats right it was Deshaun Watsons fault for that one.

Hop took the pressure off everyone else in that receiving corp. - he would ALWAYS get the best CB to shadow him, and often times would be doubled. That opens up alot of field for guys like Fuller who can create separation with their speed and getting matched up with an inferior player.

To think Fuller is going to keep up the same efficiency and throughput is crazy. Before we can even hypothesize future value the guy needs to stay on the field longer than 4 games at a time.

Why am I going to be surprised at what he does when Im already prepared for a let down season from everyone at that position?

If Fuller was this WR1 type of guy why did they just pay Cobb equivalent value for a slot???

I like Fuller when he's healthy, but Im not going to try and convince myself he's a #1.

He's Robin, never will be a Batman.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I seen in a few games ( when he was healthy) Watson going to Fuller when he needed a big play. Fuller route running is top notch. Check out the game against the Falcons for one example. This is why I believe Fuller’s targets will increase if he can stay healthy. I’m thinking this is O’Briens plan.
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Of course his targets will increase. He’s WR1 now.
 
banned1976 said:
1 and 2.

I believe the Texans should be passing much more to the backs and TE’s w/o Hopkins here. But I’ve guessed wrong too often with O’Brien running the offense. Even though he officially passed the offensive play calls off to someone else, he’ll still have final veto power over that and major input on the game plan. He wants his offense to pound the ball between the tackles and he’s going to try and do that regardless of the personnel. And right now they don’t have that kind of back.
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I was expecting the same thing when Fuller was out. Instead, it seems they just targeted Hopkins more. Last year, after injuries to their WRs, the Eagles focused their passing game on the TEs and RBs. Wentz threw for 4000 yards without one WR having more than 500 receiving yards.

They targeted their TEs 222 times and RBs 113 times. Maybe that's the formula for the 2020 Texans. Unfortunately, too many times, the Texans seem to neglect their TEs for weeks at a time. I'll have to see to believe if this staff is as creative as the Eagles.
 
Uncle Rico said:
we had fuller for the KC playoff game - what impact did he have then? Oh wait thats right it was Deshaun Watsons fault for that one.

Hop took the pressure off everyone else in that receiving corp. - he would ALWAYS get the best CB to shadow him, and often times would be doubled. That opens up alot of field for guys like Fuller who can create separation with their speed and getting matched up with an inferior player.

To think Fuller is going to keep up the same efficiency and throughput is crazy. Before we can even hypothesize future value the guy needs to stay on the field longer than 4 games at a time.

Why am I going to be surprised at what he does when Im already prepared for a let down season from everyone at that position?

If Fuller was this WR1 type of guy why did they just pay Cobb equivalent value for a slot???

I like Fuller when he's healthy, but Im not going to try and convince myself he's a #1.

He's Robin, never will be a Batman.
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You’re throwing stuff in there that I didn’t mention, not sure why. In the KC game Fuller was coming off a hamstring injury and he wasn’t himself. He ended up leaving with a groin strain. Doc could speak to this better than I can, but I’m willing to bet the groin was a compensatory injury related to the hamstring. I’m not sure it’s fair to look at one game.

I can not argue about Fullers health, that’s a serious issue. I do think he has wr 1 ability. When he played at ND, everyone in the stadium knew he was getting the ball and he still got open.

Im not trying to defend the Hop trade, I just responded to a post about WF. I think as a pure FB player he’s better then some are making him out to be. He just needs to figure out his hamstring issue. As for Cobb, I’m not defending OB or anything he does. I like Cobb as a player but not at his salary
 
Texansballer74 said:
houston.sportsmap.com

Pat McAfee: It feels like 'Billy O' just hated the guy

The Texans...
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At this point, it doesn't matter, but I also found this interesting.

"As diva-free as Hopkins tends to be, especially compared to the majority of top-flight wideouts, he is demanding. Word is Bill O’Brien isn’t crazy about that.

Hopkins is a hard-core competitor, who puts winning above all else. But, understandably, he recognizes his role in the Texans’ success.

He isn’t quiet. He just doesn’t play many media games or go out of his way to draw attention to himself. He will tell his coaches and teammates what he thinks. "

https://www.houstonchronicle.com/te...-trade-DeAndre-Hopkins-ludicrous-15134653.php
 
RGV82 said:
Will Fuller’s potential has always been hindered by injury. His last 3 seasons he has played 11 games, 7 games, and 10 games. He would definitely be regarded as an upper tier WR if he was able to stay healthy. When you start your career off injury prone, you usually never amount to much unfortunately. All long term successful WRs start their careers off healthy and become injury prone later on.... Fuller has never shown he can stay healthy.... so I doubt he will ever be reliable.
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I come from a sports performance background so I’ll beg to differ a bit. There’s a reason he keeps getting injured, they just need to find out why and address the cause. I’m not saying he’ll ever be an iron man but they should be able to figure something out to keep him on the field more. It could be he needs to improve the isometric or eccentric strength of his hamstrings, it could be a technique or coordination issue when running, or it could be an issue with the design of our practices (we’ve had multiple guys have hamstring issues the past several seasons). I know that KC consults with Derek Hanson. He is an excellent sprint coach and I’d love to see the Texans bring him in to evaluate what we are doing.
 
dream_team said:
That's true that Fuller's absence was a huge deal to the offense, but are you claiming Nuk's absence wouldn't be a greater deal? That's a bit unfair to say, considering the Texans have never played a meaningful game w/o Nuk.
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I seem to remember a meaningful game or 2 being played in Baltimore/Foxboro being played without Nuk.

Will they miss Nuk? Yes

Will the WR corps be fine if WFV/Stills/Cobb/Draft pick stay healthy? Yes
 
otisbean said:
You’re throwing stuff in there that I didn’t mention, not sure why. In the KC game Fuller was coming off a hamstring injury and he wasn’t himself. He ended up leaving with a groin strain. Doc could speak to this better than I can, but I’m willing to bet the groin was a compensatory injury related to the hamstring. I’m not sure it’s fair to look at one game.

I can not argue about Fullers health, that’s a serious issue. I do think he has wr 1 ability. When he played at ND, everyone in the stadium knew he was getting the ball and he still got open.

Im not trying to defend the Hop trade, I just responded to a post about WF. I think as a pure FB player he’s better then some are making him out to be. He just needs to figure out his hamstring issue. As for Cobb, I’m not defending OB or anything he does. I like Cobb as a player but not at his salary
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let me see ... think of the Pittsburgh situation with AB and JuJu (minus the psychotic behavior) .. everyone in Pitt was perfectly fine with letting AB go; who at the time was considered to be one of the best WRs in the game. Steeler fan was cocky and thought they had the next 'star' WR on the roster coming off a 100 catch/1000 yard season. How's that going for them? Shoot James Washington has emerged as the possible #1 there (i know i know, big ben hurt, juju hurt etc etc) but when JuJu found himself matched up with the Stephon Gilmore's of the world instead of the Jason McCourty's things got a little more difficult. Matchups and package mismatches are a vital component of game planning and tendency. YOu cant just look at the stats and expect an increase in output without looking at the broad stroke. No offense but ND football is not Clemson football, but I understand where you are coming from, Fuller makes a GREAT #2 NFL WR IMO when you have another guy taking the attention off of him.

My point using the KC game as reference is if a guy like Hopkins who as usual carried the passing game against KC and was the #1 passing option to defend in the KC defensive meetings and he STILL put in his work WITH A BROKEN RIB, that guy is gone and that duty is up to Fuller, nothing in his game leads me to believe that he can be THE GUY especially when you cant count on him for a full season, and with all do respect I take what good ol' Doc says with a grain of salt - he's not batting 1.000 either.

Check it, check it, check it -------- "I HOPE IM WRONG"

By trading away Hopkins and returning an inferior package OBrien only added WR to the list of needs for the team.
 
otisbean said:
I come from a sports performance background so I’ll beg to differ a bit. There’s a reason he keeps getting injured, they just need to find out why and address the cause. I’m not saying he’ll ever be an iron man but they should be able to figure something out to keep him on the field more. It could be he needs to improve the isometric or eccentric strength of his hamstrings, it could be a technique or coordination issue when running, or it could be an issue with the design of our practices (we’ve had multiple guys have hamstring issues the past several seasons). I know that KC consults with Derek Hanson. He is an excellent sprint coach and I’d love to see the Texans bring him in to evaluate what we are doing.
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In theory this sounds great but there have been too many players with tons of potential whose careers have been cut short and never become top tier players due to continual injuries. Unless Fuller is an exception, there isn’t much promise here.
 
dream_team said:
Nuk has only missed two games in his career. They were both Week 17 games (2017 & 2019), that had no playoff significance, so BOB benched alot of starters. So NO, he never missed a meaningful game.
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LOL dont fall for the narratives!

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RGV82 said:
In theory this sounds great but there have been too many players with tons of potential whose careers have been cut short and never become top tier players due to continual injuries. Unless Fuller is an exception, there isn’t much promise here.
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It's a different position, but the one player with early career hamstring problems who overcame it was Emmitt Smith. After having hamstring issues his first two years in the NFL, he changed his diet and even started weekly sessions with a chiropractor. You know the rest of the story.

At some point in his career, you would hope either Fuller and/or the team would spend significant efforts in identifying why he has become so injury prone.
 
Earl34 said:
It's a different position, but the one player with early career hamstring problems who overcame it was Emmitt Smith. After having hamstring issues his first two years in the NFL, he changed his diet and even started weekly sessions with a chiropractor. You know the rest of the story.

At some point in his career, you would hope either Fuller and/or the team would spend significant efforts in identifying why he has become so injury prone.
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Emmitt Smith is a different case. In his first 6 seasons in the league he only missed 3 total games. Fuller has missed tons of games and he has only been in the league for 4 years. Look at guys like Kevin White with the Bears.... TONS of potential, and will never shed his injury problems.
 
otisbean said:
Playing devils advocate, why does the offense drop off so much when Fullers not on the field?
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I remember it was much harder for AJ to get open when we let Jacoby go & KW was our #2.

But I also thought Stills was our "in case Fuller can't play" insurance, so.... I don't know.
 
Fuller has played 42 games out of a possible 64. That does not mean he finished all 42 games he played in. Anyway that's 66%.

Here are the snap count comparisons. This is the percentage of available snaps taken for games in which they appeared.

Fuller: 2016 - 829 74%
Hopkins: 2016 - 1085 97%

Fuller: 2017 - 523 48%
Hopkins: 2017 - 1021 93%

Fuller: 2018 - 375 34%
Hopkins: 2018 - 1084 99%

Fuller: 2019 - 564 53%
Hopkins: 2019 - 971 91%

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mws said:
Fuller has played 42 games out of a possible 64. That does not mean he finished all 42 games he played in. Anyway that's 66%.

Here are the snap count comparisons. This is the percentage of available snaps taken for games in which they appeared.

Fuller: 2016 - 829 74%
Hopkins: 2016 - 1085 97%

Fuller: 2017 - 523 48%
Hopkins: 2017 - 1021 93%

Fuller: 2018 - 375 34%
Hopkins: 2018 - 1084 99%

Fuller: 2019 - 564 53%
Hopkins: 2019 - 971 91%

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It is 45 out of 67 games. He played in 3 playoff games.
 
RGV82 said:
Emmitt Smith is a different case. In his first 6 seasons in the league he only missed 3 total games. Fuller has missed tons of games and he has only been in the league for 4 years. Look at guys like Kevin White with the Bears.... TONS of potential, and will never shed his injury problems.
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You're right on Smith missing 3 games, but between 1993 and 1994, there were games that he either left early or was ineffective due to the constant hamstring problems.

For example, he pulled his hamstring during a game in 1993, then again in 1994 that led to playing only the first half in a playoff game and then pulled both hamstrings in the NFC championship games. After 1994, I don't think he had a hamstring injury. If you don't believe me, Google "Emmitt Smith hamstring".
 
Earl34 said:
You're right on Smith missing 3 games, but between 1993 and 1994, there were games that he either left early or was ineffective due to the constant hamstring problems.

For example, he pulled his hamstring during a game in 1993, then again in 1994 that led to playing only the first half in a playoff game and then pulled both hamstrings in the NFC championship games. After 1994, I don't think he had a hamstring injury. If you don't believe me, Google "Emmitt Smith hamstring".
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I believe you - but would look for more consistent comparisons, than comparing Emmitt Smith to Will Fuller.
 
Mollywhopper said:
So about the individual production of a number 1 wr versus the remaining wr group..
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I don't know about WR1 versus the rest of the remaining WR group. However, when it comes to targeting WR1, Hopkins' targets were similar to other WR1s. See the post below.

Earl34 said:
I give you credit for trying to put a positive spin on this trade, but I totally disagree with this post. Yes. At times, Watson forced the ball to Hopkins. All QBs do that with their most reliable WR. Last year Watson targeted Hopkins 150 times. That was fewer than than 163 times last year and the 174 the year before were Watson did not play a full season.
  • In 13 years, Peyton Manning targeted Marvin Harrison 118, 117, 122, 184, 169, 205, 142, 139, 134, 148, 32 and 107 times
  • During that same period, Manning also targeted Reggie Wayne 107, 115, 122, 137, 156, 131, 149, and 175 times
  • The last four years, Drew Brees has targeted Michael Thomas 121, 149, 147 and 185 times.
  • Over the last three years, Brady has targeted Edelman 159, 108 and 153 times
  • Before injuries started slowing him down. Gronkowski was targeted 131, 120, and 105 times
  • Since 2014, Matt Ryan has targeted Julio Jones, 163, 203, 129, 148, 170, and 157 times
  • Since becoming a starter, Mahomes has targeted Travis Kelce 150 and 136 times
  • Since becoming a starter, Mahomes has targeted Tyreek Hill 137 and 89 times in a season where he only played 12 games.
Looking at the numbers, Watson is throwing to his #1 WR as often as other QBs are throwing to their #1 WRs. Read the field better? Who else was getting open as consistently as Hopkins? During his rookie season, Coutee was getting open and Watson found him without any problems. When the TEs were part of the game plan, he targeted them.

Watching Brady struggle without Gronk and then telling me taking away a QB's #1 target can lead to a more productive passing offense is like urinating on my head and calling it rain.
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dream_team said:
That's true that Fuller's absence was a huge deal to the offense, but are you claiming Nuk's absence wouldn't be a greater deal? That's a bit unfair to say, considering the Texans have never played a meaningful game w/o Nuk.
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not at all. But even with Nuk putting up beast numbers for the last few years, the offense has looked stale. It’s only been when Fuller has entered the lineup that we’ve looked explosive. Both KC games when Fuller played, we scored 30+ points. The Buffalo game when he didn’t play, we struggled to score 20. Outland this isn’t something that has happened this year, there’s a very clear trend. Our most explosive games over the last 3 years have always been when Fuller’s been in the lineup.

going back to 2017....just about every game we scored in the 28-30 pts range or more, WFV has been active and we looked explosive and damn good on offense. Now considering how many games he has missed, The few games where he wasn’t playing and we still scored in that range, Nuk’s numbers were average in that time. 4-5 receptions, around 80 yards...I don’t need to tell u howthe offense looked either.
 
Mr teX said:
not at all. But even with Nuk putting up beast numbers for the last few years, the offense has looked stale. It’s only been when Fuller has entered the lineup that we’ve looked explosive. Both KC games when Fuller played, we scored 30+ points. The Buffalo game when he didn’t play, we struggled to score 20. Outland this isn’t something that has happened this year, there’s a very clear trend. Our most explosive games over the last 3 years have always been when Fuller’s been in the lineup.

going back to 2017....just about every game we scored in the 28-30 pts range or more, WFV has been active and we looked explosive and damn good on offense. Now considering how many games he has missed, The few games where he wasn’t playing and we still scored in that range, Nuk’s numbers were average in that time. 4-5 receptions, around 80 yards...I don’t need to tell u howthe offense looked either.
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I think Fuller is awesome and he's underrated. I think he's a #1 receiver w/ pro-bowl potential. But of course, has one big thing holding him back. I think whenever you take away a weapon like him, the offense is always going to suffer.

Just like now, the offense will suffer because we're replacing Nuk w/ Cobb.

I think one (of the many) reasons why this was such a bad trade is we can't rely on WFV on being available. If he's out, our receiving crew will be Cobb, Coutee, Stills and Carter. Yikes! I know alot of people are assuming we'll draft a WR high in this draft, but that's not something you should plan on.
 
dream_team said:
I think Fuller is awesome and he's underrated. I think he's a #1 receiver w/ pro-bowl potential. But of course, has one big thing holding him back. I think whenever you take away a weapon like him, the offense is always going to suffer.

Just like now, the offense will suffer because we're replacing Nuk w/ Cobb.

I think one (of the many) reasons why this was such a bad trade is we can't rely on WFV on being available. If he's out, our receiving crew will be Cobb, Coutee, Stills and Carter. Yikes! I know alot of people are assuming we'll draft a WR high in this draft, but that's not something you should plan on.
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That’s just on the outside. Fells, Akins on the inside...& now with David Johnson in the fold, there is another very capable pass threat who can line up out there Last year in a reduced role he had 36 receptions. For perspective on that, Hyde and Duke combined last year only had 18 more total than that.
Cobb isn’t a 1 to 1 replacement of Nuk, it will be a group effort.
 
mws said:
Fuller has played 42 games out of a possible 64. That does not mean he finished all 42 games he played in. Anyway that's 66%.

Here are the snap count comparisons. This is the percentage of available snaps taken for games in which they appeared.

Fuller: 2016 - 829 74%
Hopkins: 2016 - 1085 97%

Fuller: 2017 - 523 48%
Hopkins: 2017 - 1021 93%

Fuller: 2018 - 375 34%
Hopkins: 2018 - 1084 99%

Fuller: 2019 - 564 53%
Hopkins: 2019 - 971 91%

Stats are from Pro Football Reference.
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Which is why they will be drafting a wr fairly high in the draft.
 
otisbean said:
You’re throwing stuff in there that I didn’t mention, not sure why. In the KC game Fuller was coming off a hamstring injury and he wasn’t himself. He ended up leaving with a groin strain. Doc could speak to this better than I can, but I’m willing to bet the groin was a compensatory injury related to the hamstring. I’m not sure it’s fair to look at one game.

I can not argue about Fullers health, that’s a serious issue. I do think he has wr 1 ability. When he played at ND, everyone in the stadium knew he was getting the ball and he still got open.

Im not trying to defend the Hop trade, I just responded to a post about WF. I think as a pure FB player he’s better then some are making him out to be. He just needs to figure out his hamstring issue. As for Cobb, I’m not defending OB or anything he does. I like Cobb as a player but not at his salary
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You are correct, Fuller suffered the groin injury in compensation for a hamstring which was still a problem. If we're going to focus in on Fuller for his deficits, let's not let Hopkins off the hook so easily when looking at his production numbers last year as the "Texans elite #1 receiver"....................he logged 100 yd games in only 5 of 16 regular season games...........with 150 targets and 104 total receptions, for 7.8 yds/target .
 
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he logged 100 yd games in only 5 of 16 regular season games...........with 150 targets and 104 total receptions, for 7.8 yds/target .
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Hopkins led the AFC in receptions for first downs.
Hopkins led the AFC in yards per game.
His 104 total receptions tied for first in AFC in total receptions.

And according to the article put out by the Texans before they traded him the 5 100 yard games was actually pretty good.

Here's the quote.

"Hopkins posted five games with 100-or-more receiving yards, which tied for the AFC lead and tied for fourth in the NFL."
 
mws said:
Hopkins led the AFC in receptions for first downs.
Hopkins led the AFC in yards per game.
His 104 total receptions tied for first in AFC in total receptions.

And according to the article put out by the Texans before they traded him the 5 100 yard games was actually pretty good.

Here's the quote.

"Hopkins posted five games with 100-or-more receiving yards, which tied for the AFC lead and tied for fourth in the NFL."
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While you're at it, didn't Hopkins lead the AFC with 150 targets?
 
otisbean said:
We average 7 points per game more when Fuller plays.

www.houstonchronicle.com

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There's nothing to compare to. Hopkins missed only two games in seven seasons. How do we know what the offense does without Hopkins? Guess we will find out this season. Kind of scary that we have such a large sample size to compare for Fuller seeing as he has only been healthy 66% of his NFL career. We may average seven points more with him, but that's only seven points more every 2 out of 3 games.
 
texan279 said:
There's nothing to compare to. Hopkins missed only two games in seven seasons. How do we know what the offense does without Hopkins? Guess we will find out this season. Kind of scary that we have such a large sample size to compare for Fuller seeing as he has only been healthy 66% of his NFL career. We may average seven points more with him, but that's only seven points more every 2 out of 3 games.
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Dont worry the WR corps will be fine after the draft. The WR production will be as good or better. The receptions are going to be spread around this yr.

Hopefully DW4 progresses and Kelly doesn't have learning pains being a rookie OC. If this happens the offense wont miss Nuk. The WR corps just have to stay healthy and hit on a high draft pick. If they are able to do this the offense will be more diversified and better.

If it doesn't work out then I'm sure BOB will get all of the blame and BOB will be fired in a couple of yrs, which should make the posters including myself happy with the thought that any HC worth his salt should never have 51-7 happen in 3 qtrs.
 
texan279 said:
There's nothing to compare to. Hopkins missed only two games in seven seasons. How do we know what the offense does without Hopkins? Guess we will find out this season. Kind of scary that we have such a large sample size to compare for Fuller seeing as he has only been healthy 66% of his NFL career. We may average seven points more with him, but that's only seven points more every 2 out of 3 games.
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Right, but the opposite of that is what the offense looked like when Nuk was in the lineup all the time without Fuller...and most of the time, it didn’t look very good.
 
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