Hopkins traded to Cardinals?

[steelbtexan]

I think it's better.

I disagree

All this MB has turned into is BOB/DW4 discussion and it bleeds over into all threads.

The biggest difference is now you cant be critical of DW4/RS etc... without being labeled as a racist/liar etc... (This is without ever meeting the person that's being labeled) and the Mods just let this BS slide.

Do you think Vinny would've ever allowed this on a MB he was moderating?

 

[banned1976]

I disagree

All this MB has turned into is BOB/DW4 discussion and it bleeds over into all threads.

The biggest difference is now you cant be critical of DW4/RS etc... without being labeled as a racist/liar etc... (This is without ever meeting the person that's being labeled) and the Mods just let this BS slide.

Do you think Vinny would've ever allowed this on a MB he was moderating?

And you still bring up Rick Smith every chance you get in the same threads. You brought him up in this very thread. So I don’t know what you’re complaining about.

 

[steelbtexan]

And you still bring up Rick Smith every chance you get in the same threads. You brought him up in this very thread. So I don’t know what you’re complaining about.

This has nothing to do with RS.

You didn't answer my question, Do you think Vinny would've allowed what's currently going on , on this MB to happen?

Nice try at a diversion though.

 

[powda]

I disagree

All this MB has turned into is BOB/DW4 discussion and it bleeds over into all threads.

The biggest difference is now you cant be critical of DW4/RS etc... without being labeled as a racist/liar etc... (This is without ever meeting the person that's being labeled) and the Mods just let this BS slide.

Do you think Vinny would've ever allowed this on a MB he was moderating?

@steelbtexan I love you and your one of my favorite posters here. I hope you know that but...

You pour gasoline on fires nonstop. Dw4 is flawed and not the messiah but he's pretty damn good. O'Brien is chickensh*t and making our team a regular on the comedy channel.

I dont think a lot of posters dislike you for your opinion. I think they dislike you because you say it so frequently.

You and I are like minded on a lot of topics actually. You just pour salt in their wounds at the most inopportune times.

I think the moderation is significantly better now personally. I find it's mostly fair. Captain spell check is gone and that's a significant plus.

 

[steelbtexan]

@steelbtexan I love you and your one of my favorite posters here. I hope you know that but...

You pour gasoline on fires nonstop. Dw4 is flawed and not the messiah but he's pretty damn good. O'Brien is chickensh*t and making our team a regular on the comedy channel.

I dont think a lot of posters dislike you for your opinion. I think they dislike you because you say it so frequently.

You and I are like minded on a lot of topics actually. You just pour salt in their wounds at the most inopportune times.

I think the moderation is significantly better now personally. I find it's mostly fair. Captain spell check is gone and that's a significant plus.

Everybody is entitled to their opinions.

Mine is what it is and until proven wrong will continue.

The funny thing is after 51-7 I've called for BOB to be fired numerous times and that's still not good enough for the mob.

Because I dont think DW4 will change and wont win a championship I've been called all kinds of things and there's real vitriol towards me. (I'm entitled to my opinon also) Like I asked before, do you think this would happen if Vinny was still the lead moderator around these parts? (If you're honest we both know the answer to this question and that's the reason I posted that this is a very different MB than the one I joined back in 2007.)

 

[powda]

Everybody is entitled to their opinions.

Mine is what it is and until proven wrong will continue.

The funny thing is after 51-7 I've called for BOB to be fired numerous times and that's still not good enough for the mob.

Because I dont think DW4 will change and wont win a championship I've been called all kinds of things and there's real vitriol towards me. (I'm entitled to my opinon also) Like I asked before, do you think this would happen if Vinny was still the lead moderator around these parts? (If you're honest we both know the answer to this question and that's the reason I posted that this is a very different MB than the one I joined back in 2007.)

You do invoke a LOT of vitriol.

I would hope most of the attacks on you are purely football related. I'm not naive enough to believe they all are.

Today's moderators are more likely to favor freedom of speech and let it ride. There was a time when the lead mod would attack you for some trival grammatical error. I don't remember vinny being heavy handed. Still, I think it's better.

 

[Mr. White]

Am I coming back here in the middle of a board war?

Please forgive my noob-ness but I’m a teacher now and I haven’t been around the past few years.

If so, then this looks like a sequel trilogy board war. The Empire turned into the First Order when the anti-Kubiak crew turned into Team B0B. Now Team B0B is in a war with team DW4?

Please let me know if I missed something important...

 

[steelbtexan]

You do invoke a LOT of vitriol.

I would hope most of the attacks on you are purely football related. I'm not naive enough to believe they all are.

Today's moderators are more likely to favor freedom of speech and let it ride. There was a time when the lead mod would attack you for some trival grammatical error. I don't remember vinny being heavy handed. Still, I think it's better.

Why? Because I don't go along with the heard and I'm not PC?

I will wear this with a badge of honor.

Vinny wasn't that type of Mod

 

[powda]

Why? Because I don't go along with the heard and I'm not PC?

I will wear this with a badge of honor.

Vinny wasn't that type of Mod

I expect nothing less from you.

 

[powda]

Why? Because I don't go along with the heard and I'm not PC?

I will wear this with a badge of honor.

Vinny wasn't that type of Mod

I think your a f'ing badass and should say what you like.

 

[steelbtexan]

I think your a f'ing badass and should say what you like.

Ditto

I just wanted to say you've been awesome sounding the alarm in the COVID-19 thread.

 

[powda]

Ditto

I just wanted to say you've been awesome sounding the alarm in the COVID-19 thread.

I'm trying but people wont take it seriously until they know someone sick.

 

[Texansballer74]

I disagree

All this MB has turned into is BOB/DW4 discussion and it bleeds over into all threads.

The biggest difference is now you cant be critical of DW4/RS etc... without being labeled as a racist/liar etc... (This is without ever meeting the person that's being labeled) and the Mods just let this BS slide.

Do you think Vinny would've ever allowed this on a MB he was moderating?

That's another false statement by you. Nobody is exempt from being criticized or a fan being critical of said player or office personnel. The issue is being overly critical and trying to only spin your type of agenda. Not one time have I seen you give Watson or Rick Smith praise for doing something right. But ole Billy gets praise from you a lot. And when you do say something critical towards him. It's only in moderation because you're too busy defending him and his terrible antics. If this was Rick Smith driving this team into the dirt, you would be constantly every day killing him for it. I'm talking about nonstop. Everyone on here knows that bro.

Another thing, it's not a good look always playing the victim. You're not innocent either because you have thrown stones at people too. Let's keep it 100

 

[IDEXAN]

I dunno about the rest of you guys but I'm still totally shell-shocked by this trade ?
I figure after JJ Watt and Andre Johnson there's probably not a more prominent Houston Texans football player, past or present", on this planet than Hopkins and therefor isn't his departure atleast worthy of a comment of recognition to the media by ownership ?
Dammit if the McNairs don't care anymore about the team than this then please, please sell it to somebody/some group who cares about it as passionately as we fans do!

 

[badboy]

I dunno about the rest of you guys but I'm still totally shell-shocked by this trade ?
I figure after JJ Watt and Andre Johnson there's probably not a more prominent Houston Texans football player, past or present", on this planet than Hopkins and therefor isn't his departure atleast worthy of a comment of recognition to the media by ownership ?
Dammit if the McNairs don't care anymore about the team than this then please, please sell it to somebody/some group who cares about it as passionately as we fans do!

I felt dismay over what we got but not the trade itself and voiced my opinion. I've since received new info that impact my opinion some. However, once a player leaves this roster I care little for them. They are no longer a Texan and other than I tend to move on. IMO, what we got sucks but what we do with it is now most important to me. I am already looking at what two second and a third can bring whether others thinks Bill sucks in drafting. Also until FA over that remains a possibility. For example Robby Anderson is no Hop but he doesn't have Hopkin's shoulder, rib and ankle injuries either. Then June 1st cuts could land us something even if only better depth. Yes, I am ready to move on from the trade. I now think Tunsil remains in Houston. Amari Cooper and Byron Jones got deals that should land us Laremy.

 

[steelbtexan]

That's another false statement by you. Nobody is exempt from being criticized or a fan being critical of said player or office personnel. The issue is being overly critical and trying to only spin your type of agenda. Not one time have I seen you give Watson or Rick Smith praise for doing something right. But ole Billy gets praise from you a lot. And when you do say something critical towards him. It's only in moderation because you're too busy defending him and his terrible antics. If this was Rick Smith driving this team into the dirt, you would be constantly every day killing him for it. I'm talking about nonstop. Everyone on here knows that bro.

Another thing, it's not a good look always playing the victim. You're not innocent either because you have thrown stones at people too. Let's keep it 100

Overly critical would be your opinion

I began last season saying I thought DW4 was a young Steve Young. I praised him after the Atlanta game etc... You're just believing what you want to believe and this post won't change a thing.

I also praised BOB after the Atl game. But other than that I haven't praised BOB the HC.

I did like that BOB the GM invested in the ol. I have been critical of BOB the GM for the Nuk trade. Although I don't think it's the end of the world like some on here seem to think.

I've also called for BOB's firing and said he will never win a SB (too conservative) and neither will DW4.

So how much more critical of BOB do you want.e to be. Difference between us is I want both BOB/DW4 to be successful and you only care about DW4. They both share equal blame, IMHO and you think all of the blame falls on BOB.

 

[Earl34]

That's another false statement by you. Nobody is exempt from being criticized or a fan being critical of said player or office personnel. The issue is being overly critical and trying to only spin your type of agenda. Not one time have I seen you give Watson or Rick Smith praise for doing something right. But ole Billy gets praise from you a lot. And when you do say something critical towards him. It's only in moderation because you're too busy defending him and his terrible antics. If this was Rick Smith driving this team into the dirt, you would be constantly every day killing him for it. I'm talking about nonstop. Everyone on here knows that bro.

Another thing, it's not a good look always playing the victim. You're not innocent either because you have thrown stones at people too. Let's keep it 100

I agree with this post. Steel is complaining about this forum "devolving". But doesn't take into account his contributions to lowering the quality of conversation on this board.

For the record, Steel is entitled to his DW4 opinion. But he got annoyed with a few vocal Watson supporters and then decided to spam/troll the board with his opinion of Watson. Even when people tried to provide stats or context to explain what is going on, he totally ignored them or label them Watson only Fans. It takes two to tango.

 

[texan279]

It's been days since this trade went down. I'm still just as pissed as when I first heard about it...

 

[banned1976]

This has nothing to do with RS.

You didn't answer my question, Do you think Vinny would've allowed what's currently going on , on this MB to happen?

Nice try at a diversion though.

You didn’t ask me a question. And I didn’t post on this board when Vinny was here. No diversion here.

 

[banned1976]

I agree with this post. Steel is complaining about this forum "devolving". But doesn't take into account his contributions to lowering the quality of conversation on this board.

For the record, Steel is entitled to his DW4 opinion. But he got annoyed with a few vocal Watson supporters and then decided to spam/troll the board with his opinion of Watson. Even when people tried to provide stats or context to explain what is going on, he totally ignored them or label them Watson only Fans. It takes two to tango.

I should have read your comments above before my last post back to Steel. Just edited that one to remove redundancy. I don’t want anyone to get the impression I’m piling on.

 

[Earl34]

I should have read your comments above before my last post back to Steel. Just edited that one to remove redundancy. I don’t want anyone to get the impression I’m piling on.

No worries. Your post was fair, accurate and echoes the thoughts of many on this board.

 

[steelbtexan]

You didn’t ask me a question. And I didn’t post on this board when Vinny was here. No diversion here.

I didn't look at your start date.

Trust me when I tell you it's much different. Dont take my word for it, ask any of the old timers. Even if they think it's better they cant deny it's much different.

 

[thunderkyss]

I didn't look at your start date.

Trust me when I tell you it's much different. Dont take my word for it, ask any of the old timers. Even if they think it's better they cant deny it's much different.

Steelbtexan & Thunderkyss were little fish back then. The regulars & most frequent posters were a different breed for sure. I'm talking before Icak went through menopause.

 

[steelbtexan]

Steelbtexan & Thunderkyss were little fish back then. The regulars & most frequent posters were a different breed for sure. I'm talking before Icak went through menopause.

I'm still a little fish.

 

[thunderkyss]

I'm still a little fish.

I meant in terms of activity. I hadn't checked, but I bet you're one of the top 10 most active

 

[banned1976]

Steelbtexan & Thunderkyss were little fish back then. The regulars & most frequent posters were a different breed for sure. I'm talking before Icak went through menopause.

A different breed in what way? I didn’t post much here back then, rarely. But I was involved in message boards going back to the ancient days (1990’s) and I haven’t noticed much difference between now and then. People are who they are.

Anyway, back to the worst trade in NFL history since Walker. O’Brien trading Hopkins.

 

[DocBar]

Falcons signed Gurley for 5 mil. Texans paying David Johnson 11 mil next season. More signs of how idiotic this deal was.

I'll go on record saying that the Texans will likely get more out of Johnson in 2020 than the Falcons will Gurley. Not saying $6M more, but more. Not saying I like the trade. No way under the sun do I make that trade. Maybe the Texans actually got lucky that the Rams weren't called before Arizona.

 

[thunderkyss]

A different breed in what way? I didn’t post much here back then, rarely. But I was involved in message boards going back to the ancient days (1990’s) and I haven’t noticed much difference between now and then. People are who they are.

Without trying to offending anyone, they were a lot more knowledgeable about the game, the team, and the people in the organization.

Don't get me wrong, we've got some knowledgeable guys here, now. It was just different.

More like a family too. Back then, this board was for us. & I can understand why Hookem did what he did.

It's getting harder & harder to understand why he continues when it feels like hardly anyone has that kind of "ownership" & investment in this place anymore.

Back then they came here to serve the board... their contributions were for the fellow fans. Now folks come here to prove a point, to be served, or to btch.

 

[austins23]

I have been critical of BOB the GM for the Nuk trade. Although I don't think it's the end of the world like some on here seem to think.

I think everyone is/has been critical of the trade. Here is a couple of quotes I've read from media about it.

On the other side of the ledger, the Houston Texans were shafted big time by the Arizona Cardinals in the now-infamous DeAndre Hopkins trade. Head coach Bill O’Brien's team has regressed.

Where to start with this team? Already under scrutiny for his performance as the Texans’ head coach, Bill O’Brien has struggled big time in his new role as general manager. The trade of star receiver DeAndre Hopkins for injury-plagued running back David Johnson and change has to be seen as one of the worst deals in recent NFL history.

I am in agreement with both bolded parts of those quotes. Just a bad look. To me, it feels personal. Do I have any insight or knowledge about it, no. It just feels personal. I wonder if he (GM Billy) discussed this with Watson? Does he have to? No. But that should have crossed his mind.

I also do not think it's the end of the world. But it dang sure ain't gonna be the same. Hopkins was the security blanket. I just don't see this offense getting any better. Fuller is allergic to 16 games, Stills is good but not by himself. Cobb, meh, we'll see. Coutee, hell OB won't even let him play (probably has lots to do with Coutee himself also). The offense can't get the TE's involved game to game. They are good for about 5/6 games a year. And 55 catches combined to RB's?? Horrible. Duke should have that by himself. Not much to ask, huh? Get that fixed and keep Fuller healthy, then maybe.

I don't know, color me skeptical. Not much faith in OB.

 

[theCATALYST]

Coutee, hell OB won't even let him play (probably has lots to do with Coutee himself also).

I wonder if Coutee will be the new WR to mimic Devier Posey and Jaelin Strong's comments about O'Brien.

 

[IDEXAN]

I felt dismay over what we got but not the trade itself and voiced my opinion. I've since received new info that impact my opinion some. However, once a player leaves this roster I care little for them. They are no longer a Texan and other than I tend to move on. IMO, what we got sucks but what we do with it is now most important to me. I am already looking at what two second and a third can bring whether others thinks Bill sucks in drafting. Also until FA over that remains a possibility. For example Robby Anderson is no Hop but he doesn't have Hopkin's shoulder, rib and ankle injuries either. Then June 1st cuts could land us something even if only better depth. Yes, I am ready to move on from the trade. I now think Tunsil remains in Houston. Amari Cooper and Byron Jones got deals that should land us Laremy.

Robby Anderson doesn't have D-Hops injury you say ? As I recall D-Hop plays right thru injuries, doesn't sweat the small stuff, a true warrior on game day.
You are a better man than me, certainly more resilient to bounce back with that attitude after that devastating decision to trade Hopkins for so little value in return !
As a KC,Missouri-area native almost makes we want to take up where I left off with the Chiefs when I moved to Houston decades ago, afterall I dunno how many NFL franchies can brag about having SB victories spanning over multiple centuries ?
Right now my greatest hope is that ownership wakes up and somehow comes to its senses to make a change in the Texans front office, or better yet totally runs O'Briens azz out of Houston.

 

[Scooter]

AHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA ... I love this thread. It didn't take Miss Cleo to see this future, but it's apparently still cloudy for some.

As for invoking the name of Vinny, he would say 'You're all idiots and I've got better things to do'. I realize that I drink too much and repeatedly hammer arguments to the point of being a belligerent nuisance, causing strife and anger ... so I try not to log in. Some keep accomplishing that feat sober without such awareness, or just enjoy the attention.

 

[steelbtexan]

I think everyone is/has been critical of the trade. Here is a couple of quotes I've read from media about it.

On the other side of the ledger, the Houston Texans were shafted big time by the Arizona Cardinals in the now-infamous DeAndre Hopkins trade. Head coach Bill O’Brien's team has regressed.

Where to start with this team? Already under scrutiny for his performance as the Texans’ head coach, Bill O’Brien has struggled big time in his new role as general manager. The trade of star receiver DeAndre Hopkins for injury-plagued running back David Johnson and change has to be seen as one of the worst deals in recent NFL history.

I am in agreement with both bolded parts of those quotes. Just a bad look. To me, it feels personal. Do I have any insight or knowledge about it, no. It just feels personal. I wonder if he (GM Billy) discussed this with Watson? Does he have to? No. But that should have crossed his mind.

I also do not think it's the end of the world. But it dang sure ain't gonna be the same. Hopkins was the security blanket. I just don't see this offense getting any better. Fuller is allergic to 16 games, Stills is good but not by himself. Cobb, meh, we'll see. Coutee, hell OB won't even let him play (probably has lots to do with Coutee himself also). The offense can't get the TE's involved game to game. They are good for about 5/6 games a year. And 55 catches combined to RB's?? Horrible. Duke should have that by himself. Not much to ask, huh? Get that fixed and keep Fuller healthy, then maybe.

I don't know, color me skeptical. Not much faith in OB.

It's business not personal. The Texans didn't want to redo Nuk's contract. This all came down to $$$$. (The Texans way, Thanks Cal) I'm hopeful that the Te's get more involved with Kelly running he offense. 55 receptions may be low for the RB's (Checkdowns are an area that DW4 needs to improve) but the Texans are or atleast were a run based offense and there are only so many catches to go around.

Tell me how many completions do you think DW4 will have next yr and what will the pass distribution look like? Keep in mind you cant go off of the past due to Kelly running the offense and Nuk being gone.

Lets start a thread about this I would like to get others thoughts on this.

 

[Dishman]

I wonder if Coutee will be the new WR to mimic Devier Posey and Jaelin Strong's comments about O'Brien.

He already has. I think his related tweet is floating around somewhere in this thread amongst the non-football talk.

 

[amazing80]

Why? Because I don't go along with the heard and I'm not PC?

I will wear this with a badge of honor.

Vinny wasn't that type of Mod

BS. Vinny was a heavy handed mod who was quick to suspend and ban people. This board has always had the clicks and groups of people. The difference now is the mods allow you to speak freely without coming down on you. I was banned FOR LIFE by Vinny back in 07. So don’t tell me he was fair and a good mod.
I laughed when you criticized posters for always discussing DW4 or BOB when you do the same thing. A topic is about OB and you manage to inject DW4 into the conversation while also bringing up Rick smith. You’re no saint. You and Tex are the worst ones. If a topic is about frustrations over something OB does then don’t read it. You should know exactly what the conversation is going to be like.

 

[austins23]

It's business not personal. The Texans didn't want to redo Nuk's contract. This all came down to $$$$. (The Texans way, Thanks Cal) I'm hopeful that the Te's get more involved with Kelly running he offense. 55 receptions may be low for the RB's (Checkdowns are an area that DW4 needs to improve) but the Texans are or atleast were a run based offense and there are only so many catches to go around.

Tell me how many completions do you think DW4 will have next yr and what will the pass distribution look like? Keep in mind you cant go off of the past due to Kelly running the offense and Nuk being gone.

Lets start a thread about this I would like to get others thoughts on this.

You're more in tune to the front office happenings than I am. Was JJ re upped prior to OB? Or he was re upped when he was there, just as Rick being the GM? If it was business (as the Hopkins trade as) then JJ probably should have been traded away. Injuries and all. You think the reaction to Hopkins was bad... could you imagine?

And we can say Clowney was business and it more than likely was, but that was a good excuse for OB. That trade was personal.

Yes the Texans area run based team, so then why does OB trade for a RB known for his pass catching skills and NOT utilize him to that extent?

As to completions for Watson...
He had 333 last year, just over 100 to Hopkins. Next closest was Fuller (49) and Duke (44). My guess is has close to the same number of completions. To who, who knows. But this team is going to have to chuck it just because the defense is so bad the offense will be playing catch up.

 

[thunderkyss]

You think the reaction to Hopkins was bad... could you imagine?

I don’t think the outrage has been about trading Hopkins. It’s about the paltry return. If we traded Jj for the Khalil Mack deal, I think the fans would be ok. But to trade him for Dwight Freeny & a 2nd would have caused a riot.

 

[steelbtexan]

You're more in tune to the front office happenings than I am. Was JJ re upped prior to OB? Or he was re upped when he was there, just as Rick being the GM? If it was business (as the Hopkins trade as) then JJ probably should have been traded away. Injuries and all. You think the reaction to Hopkins was bad... could you imagine?

And we can say Clowney was business and it more than likely was, but that was a good excuse for OB. That trade was personal.

Yes the Texans area run based team, so then why does OB trade for a RB known for his pass catching skills and NOT utilize him to that extent?

As to completions for Watson...
He had 333 last year, just over 100 to Hopkins. Next closest was Fuller (49) and Duke (44). My guess is has close to the same number of completions. To who, who knows. But this team is going to have to chuck it just because the defense is so bad the offense will be playing catch up.

True, JJ was business also, JJ is great for business. He's a cross over national star. Tonight Show/SNL etc... he represents the Texans and the city very well. I mean look at the $$$$ he brought in during the flood. He helps increase the Houston Texans Inc brand. (Nuk not so much.) DW4 is in the same category as Watt. This is why regardless of his on field play he will be a Houston Texan for atleast the next 5 yrs. He's good for the Houston Texans Inc. brand and we all know that the Houston Texans Inc brand is what's most important to the McNair's. (If it wasn't for this Watt should've been traded 2 yrs ago because trading Watt then would've been what's best for the long term health of the on the field product.)

Clowney was all business, but like Nuk he was traded 1 yr too late to get maximum value for him. (Gaftop started a thread about this and he was correct and I thought he was crazy at the time)

DJ if healthy is much more than a pass catching RB. He's an all around RB that runs the ball very well (All Pro level) in addition to having some of the best route running skills/hands for a RB in the NFL. In short, in the passing game he's like having another WR, which is what he started out as in college. If healthy he's a great player in his own right. The question is how much does he have left in the tank?

If DJ's healthy and produces like he did when he came into the NFL and the Texans hit on 40 and next yrs 4th then the Texans will have won this trade. He was/is a great/versatile RB in all phases of the game. (I know this is an unpopular stance)

I'm kind of glad the completions will be spread around because it will make the offense much more unpredictable. As far as the defense goes, you're probably correct, however if they hit on 3 guys in the draft DT/CB/Edge (This is where the defense should look alot better.) I know this is overly optimistic. I was hoping they would add a couple of guys in FA (Suh/Harris) and draft 3 guys that could play then we would've seen a real improvement in the defense. Too bad the McNairs are so cheap.

 

[steelbtexan]

He already has. I think his related tweet is floating around somewhere in this thread amongst the non-football talk.

I would love to see it.

If that had happened you can bet he would be gone.

I get thaat people around here have alot of vitriol towards BOB but no need to make things up.

 

[Number19]

...I'm kind of glad the completions will be spread around because it will make the offense much more unpredictable...

This. I was thinking along this line all last season. As good as Hop was, if DW4 is forced to read the field better, we could have a a more productive passing offense.

 

[steelbtexan]

This. I was thinking along this line all last season. As good as Hop was, if DW4 is forced to read the field better, we could have a a more productive passing offense.

Let's hope this happens.

Although it could be worse and I cant wait to see all of the vitriol on this MB if this happens. This will be true entertainment.

 

[Scooter]

This. I was thinking along this line all last season. As good as Hop was, if DW4 is forced to read the field better, we could have a a more productive passing offense.

Did you just suggest that by removing the best receiver in the NFL, that (agreeing with Steel that it's Watson's fault) Watson will become a better player by throwing to lesser players - forcing him to be a greater quarterback? Do we need to increase gravity and work on his blonde hair as well? Maybe I got that wrong, please correct me quickly - because this is going to be fun.

Edit: fudge it, I couldn't wait. Watson's progression is the receivers' fault? The Cardinal's young quarterback is just screwed at this point, how does he even see the field when he's so focused on 3 incredible receivers at the same time, and a tightend and the runningback? Thank goodness we paid them to take such a burden off our hands! *sigh* ... if only there were some magical genie who could help a quarterback figure out who to throw the ball to. Wait, I think I remember two genies like that, but the last time I saw them they looked like horses with a bunch of diamonds.

 

[Number19]

Let's hope this happens.

Although it could be worse and I cant wait to see all of the vitriol on this MB if this happens. This will be true entertainment.

I don't recall ever posting this before, but last season I also began having some doubts about DW4. He's got to step it up this year.

 

[Number19]

Did you just suggest that by removing the best receiver in the NFL, that (agreeing with Steel that it's Watson's fault) Watson will become a better player by throwing to lesser players - forcing him to be a greater quarterback? Do we need to increase gravity as well? Maybe I got that wrong, please correct me quickly - because this is going to be fun.

Edit: fudge it, I couldn't wait. Watson's progression is the receivers' fault? The Cardinal's young quarterback is just screwed at this point, how does he even see the field when he's so focused on 3 receivers at the same time, and a tightend and the runningback? Thank goodness we paid them to take such a burden off our hands! *sigh* ... if only there were some magical genie who could help a quarterback figure out who to throw the ball to. Wait, I think a remember two genies like that, but the last time I saw them they looked like horses with a bunch of diamonds.

Not throwing to lesser players, but rather finding and throwing to more open players. This should come naturally with experience. We need this progress sooner rather than later.

 

[santo]

 

[Scooter]

Not throwing to lesser players, but rather finding and throwing to more open players. This should come naturally with experience. We need this progress sooner rather than later.

WOW!!! Who is going to get open in spite of our Coordinator/HeadCoach/GeneralManager ... Hopkins or Cobb? "Not throwing to lesser players". Sadly the exchange says everything. You're so inside the chin that "open receivers" in a thread giving away the top receiver in the NFL - it has nothing to do with the coach, coordinator, playcaller, or gm. It's a field full of Madden plays where everyone's open and the quarterback just has to pick one.

 

[steelbtexan]

Yep, this is what I've learned to do when it comes to the Houston Texans Inc. Laughter helps and if DW4 fails I will surely enjoy the entertainment this MB will provide. BTW, I would rather see DW4 succeed.

However I've really enjoyed seeing all of the excuses that were made for DW4's last month of the season. That's been really entertaining and I'm enjoy how some posters look really deep to come up with these excuses.

You guys and you know who you are, keep the hits coming. I mean you cant deny the vitriol that came from the Nuk trade hasn't been entertaining.

 

[Earl34]

This. I was thinking along this line all last season. As good as Hop was, if DW4 is forced to read the field better, we could have a a more productive passing offense.

I give you credit for trying to put a positive spin on this trade, but I totally disagree with this post. Yes. At times, Watson forced the ball to Hopkins. All QBs do that with their most reliable WR. Last year Watson targeted Hopkins 150 times. That was fewer than than 163 times last year and the 174 the year before were Watson did not play a full season.

• In 13 years, Peyton Manning targeted Marvin Harrison 118, 117, 122, 184, 169, 205, 142, 139, 134, 148, 32 and 107 times
• During that same period, Manning also targeted Reggie Wayne 107, 115, 122, 137, 156, 131, 149, and 175 times
• The last four years, Drew Brees has targeted Michael Thomas 121, 149, 147 and 185 times.
• Over the last three years, Brady has targeted Edelman 159, 108 and 153 times
• Before injuries started slowing him down. Gronkowski was targeted 131, 120, and 105 times
• Since 2014, Matt Ryan has targeted Julio Jones, 163, 203, 129, 148, 170, and 157 times
• Since becoming a starter, Mahomes has targeted Travis Kelce 150 and 136 times
• Since becoming a starter, Mahomes has targeted Tyreek Hill 137 and 89 times in a season where he only played 12 games.

Looking at the numbers, Watson is throwing to his #1 WR as often as other QBs are throwing to their #1 WRs. Read the field better? Who else was getting open as consistently as Hopkins? During his rookie season, Coutee was getting open and Watson found him without any problems. When the TEs were part of the game plan, he targeted them.

Watching Brady struggle without Gronk and then telling me taking away a QB's #1 target can lead to a more productive passing offense is like urinating on my head and calling it rain.

 

[Scooter]

No, don't bring logic into this. We're better off without our best players, and the only way our scapegoats can succeed is by overcoming trials such as overpaid backups and franchise killers leading the league in penalties.

 

[Number19]

I give you credit for trying to put a positive spin on this trade, but I totally disagree with this post. Yes. At times, Watson forced the ball to Hopkins. All QBs do that with their most reliable WR. Last year Watson targeted Hopkins 150 times. That was fewer than than 163 times last year and the 174 the year before were Watson did not play a full season.

• In 13 years, Peyton Manning targeted Marvin Harrison 118, 117, 122, 184, 169, 205, 142, 139, 134, 148, 32 and 107 times
• During that same period, Manning also targeted Reggie Wayne 107, 115, 122, 137, 156, 131, 149, and 175 times
• The last four years, Drew Brees has targeted Michael Thomas 121, 149, 147 and 185 times.
• Over the last three years, Brady has targeted Edelman 159, 108 and 153 times
• Before injuries started slowing him down. Gronkowski was targeted 131, 120, and 105 times
• Since 2014, Matt Ryan has targeted Julio Jones, 163, 203, 129, 148, 170, and 157 times
• Since becoming a starter, Mahomes has targeted Travis Kelce 150 and 136 times
• Since becoming a starter, Mahomes has targeted Tyreek Hill 137 and 89 times in a season where he only played 12 games.

Looking at the numbers, Watson is throwing to his #1 WR as often as other QBs are throwing to their #1 WRs. Read the field better? Who else was getting open as consistently as Hopkins? During his rookie season, Coutee was getting open and Watson found him without any problems. When the TEs were part of the game plan, he targeted them.

Watching Brady struggle without Gronk and then telling me taking away a QB's #1 target can lead to a more productive passing offense is like urinating on my head and calling it rain.

Good post. Doesn't change my opinion that Watson is not playing his best game and he has room for improvement.