And still not going to get those links.
LMAO
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Hopkins traded to Cardinals?
- Thread starter PapaL
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And still not going to get those links.
LMAO
Thanks for the good times in these troubled times.
How does that coincide with your narrative of dumping Hopkins because he was going downhill? He was 26 at the time.
You're working too hard to defend Billy. Like the little Dutch Boy trying to plug the dike.
They didn't want to pay him and wanted to change the culture of BOB's squad. Is this so hard to understand?
Number19
Hall of Fame
Are any physicals being conducted? How many trades are in limbo? The draft is 2 1/2 weeks away.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Wrote my response before reading yours.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
The NFL Physicians Society (in agreement with the NFL and NFLPA) made a dictum the end of March that due to the pandemic, all NFL-related physicals have been indefinitely discontinued. Some players (like Clowney) have been examined by their own local physicians, but it is unlikely that most trades will be accepted by teams on that basis.
As in the case of the Texans/Cardinals trade, the 2020 draft picks mean that the physicals will have to be done by the start of the draft, or the two sides will have to come up with other terms on their own.
And as far as the Draft without physicals.........some teams will have to rely on Combine physicals and information............in comparison, players having not been invited to the Combine will be at a definite disadvantage.
How NFL teams can still have an effective draft in 2020
- By Charley Casserly
- NFL Media analyst
- Published: March 30, 2020 at 01:00 p.m.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Doc they have 17 days to get these physicals done. Phil Sims said the league needs to do something different
banned1976
sleeper mode
As Doc mentioned above, the two teams may have to come up with different terms w/o physicals. I don't believe the trade will get nixed or modified. I believe both parties are "over the moon" about the players and picks involved. I wish it wasn't true but that's what it sounded and looked like having read and heard comments from both sides.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That wasn’t a team first move, it was a emotional dysfunctional one. It for damn sure wasn’t a championship type move either. Something you like to toss around when you doesn’t like a certain player.
Texansballer74
The Marine
It wasn't a dysfunctional move. Everybody in the building was on board with this move.
Lets see if the defense improves and DJ is bad before we declare this move a failure. Even if DJ fails they can move on after this yr and open up cap soace to even further improve the defense. Also lets see how Cobb performs from the slot. He should help takeover alot of Nuk's production. One things for sure the offense will look alot different next yr. How much the offense improves will come downto two things, 1. Is Kelly going to be an upgrade at OC, 2. Can DW4 change his bad habits.
One things for sure regardless for some on here if thing go badly they wont hold DW4 accountable in any way and if things go well it will have nothing to do with Kelly or BOB.
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
OK thought we were just having a friendly back and forth since I normally don't have much issue with you - but since you took it here - let me go ahead and have you unwad those panties.
I 'Liked' your post when it just said "I'm fine with this' as I took that to mean, "I won't provide links, and don't expect anyone to provide them for me either" but since then you have changed your post I took my "Like" away.
Put a lot of time into it? As mentioned linking post/articles/images - man it ain't rocket science - and this sites awesome search feature, Author steelbetexan, Keyword "Link" took all of 30 seconds - so total time taken to prove you wrong? About 1 minute, maybe 2, I'm easily distracted. Plus, I find it odd for someone who seems to actually live on this forum with almost 40K post to actually take umbrage with how much time someone else spends on basically anything.
No idea how DW4 got brought up in a post that was specifically related to your refusal to provide links - but whatever - you can troll the rest of the forum about DW4 but I'm not biting into that - as much as you like to act innocent with the "I only mention DW4 in response to others that attack me about it" yeah right you bring it up anytime you want to deflect or troll just like you did RS, nothing new to see here.
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I thought we we were having a friendly conversation too.
I was just pointing out you went to effort to prove yourself right. I've got no idea how long it takes to do what you did because I dont use those functions as well as do links. This isn't going to change.
As far as the like/unlike things go,If I cared about that stuff I wouldn't express unpopluar opinions like mine on DW4. Likes/Unlikes dont matter at all to me.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I wouldn't expect anything drastically different in the physical policy as it stands now until the Draft.......not enough time.
Teams will essentially have to throw darts at a dart board..........if not, entertain a game of Russian roulette. Some teams rely heavily on their scouts.......others, like the Texans rely heavily on their coaches' contacts with the players pre Draft. All of this is going to be affected by the present contact restrictions.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
How does that coincide with your narrative of dumping Hopkins because he was going downhill? He was 26 at the time.
You're working too hard to defend Billy. Like the little Dutch Boy trying to plug the dike.
Not my "narrative" yours. You guys are the ones screaming blasphemy about the fact that Nuk was actually on the trading bloc as if it couldn't happen. It's you and most everyone else that are just convinced that it just had to be primarily for some other reason why he was traded. I on the other hand look at everything else in play. He's a 3X all pro, should've been relatively easy to coax a better deal from a team. So why didn't it happen after a 1.5 years of shopping him? Then you weigh everything out:
Teams found out or were told he wanted significantly more money
Alleged locker room issues - brought out not by BoB or Easterby as far as we know but by someone who thought he was doing Nuk a solid - Micheal Irvin.
Sure he's only 26...that's still closer to the end than the beginning and over 1/2 his career is over at that point..that goes for anyone in the league.
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The appearance of decline...................... marked by several factors:
- He's not practicing much these days......but he's playing every game. So either he's skipping out on practice or he's banged up pretty good with injuries...neither looks good for him......& He did miss a game for only the 2nd time in his career last year.
& unlike David Johnson, Nuk had a down season statistically that really can't be explained. In 2018 when he was 26 he actually put up his best season statistically........ across the board; most receptions in a season, most recieving yards in a season, double digit TD's & he was an all-pro. If you were going to look into trading him as we now know they did, after the 2018 would've been ideal b/c he was at his peak..in theory anyway. But then he comes back this year..same cast of folks around him, same qb, same scheme, actually more playmakers around to help take some of the load off but still the same average number of targets year.....................................and he has 1 of his worst seasons.....statistically. He recorded his lowest recieving yards in a season since he had Brock for a qb, Lowest TD's since Brock........... his yards per reception was the lowest of his career. Still very good but overall not the season we were used to seeing from a now 3X time all pro that's in theory still in his prime. So what happened then? Could just be a hiccup...most likely that is the situation, but im sure team's were asking the same question or some variation of it. "Sure, he's in his prime...but for how much longer & do we want to give this guy more money at this juncture of his career?" "Moreover, do we want to give the Texans FO the amount of compensation they're asking for & possibly have to give him the pay bump he's asking for?"
Texansballer74
The Marine
He had a down year because his role was changed. You can dissect everything else but leaves out that. Why? So I ask you kind sir why would any coach change things up after his player had a dynamic year in 2018. That **** doesn't make any got darn sense.
We all knows how this game works. The issue was , we didn't get equal to greater value. I see if they got someone like Julio Jones. Another game changer and your office wont sputter even if or when Fuller goes down again.
Then you're talking as if Hopkins lied to Irvin. Why in the world would Irvin lie to or dress it up like that. This is not the first time Obrien had an issue with a player not being happy about their reduced role or put on special teams duties.
We all knows how this game works. The issue was , we didn't get equal to greater value. I see if they got someone like Julio Jones. Another game changer and your office wont sputter even if or when Fuller goes down again.
Then you're talking as if Hopkins lied to Irvin. Why in the world would Irvin lie to or dress it up like that. This is not the first time Obrien had an issue with a player not being happy about their reduced role or put on special teams duties.
Mangler
Toro de España
In a perfect world.
In O'Brien's mind maybe. (as in, it's his unreliable way or the highway)
Raise your hand if you think the Texans are a better TEAM without Hopkins.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
B/c that’s what ya’ll do. Ya’ll love bringing up that Johnson was the 3rd string RB. Ya’ll love bringing up that his production significantly dipped from 2018 to 2019. Any semblance of rational thought and logic as to why that was largely out of his hands gets thrown out of the window in favor of the prevailing narrative of “he’s washed” b/c you and others want so badly to believe that to be the case. why? so as to paint the trade and BoB in and even worse light.
and did Nuk’s role really change? What was he asked to do this year that he hadn’t been asked to do the previous years? Play a little more in the slot? lol that’s a bogus reach on your part.
And it’s also a helluva lot of spin of what I said..and it’s not even close to what I did say, implied or meant.
the fact is there are 2 sides to every story. All I merely did was present the other side of how other teams could’ve looked at it.
You and others, bolstered by the media and your own emotional feelings towards the matter seem to only want to pay attention to 1 side of the equation.
All this "culture change" BS!!! LMAO!! 
Only O'Brien can be a HC with a team for 6 FREAKIN' SEASONS and then decide he needs a "culture change"!!
Basically, he's saying the culture that HE'S instilled for 6 seasons ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH!!!
Bill O'Brien: the only guy in the NFL will Bill Belichick power and a Marvin Lewis resume.
Keep shaking those pom poms, boys. One day Cal will notice and give you a ride in his ice cream truck.
Only O'Brien can be a HC with a team for 6 FREAKIN' SEASONS and then decide he needs a "culture change"!!
Basically, he's saying the culture that HE'S instilled for 6 seasons ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH!!!
Bill O'Brien: the only guy in the NFL will Bill Belichick power and a Marvin Lewis resume.
Keep shaking those pom poms, boys. One day Cal will notice and give you a ride in his ice cream truck.
banned1976
sleeper mode
Bringing Gaine back isn’t my idea of a perfect world, just less imperfect than it is now. I liked Gaine in his role with the Texans prior to him leaving and coming back as GM.
Gaine was too inactive. O’Brien is on the opposite end of the spectrum. He’s “Trader Bill”. I expect him to make some kind of trade(s) on draft day. And that worries me.
I've got a trade all set to go. It's so Trader Bill. Washington takes Chase Young #2 overall, and suddenly has too many pass rushers. Enter the Texans. They take 32 year old Ryan Kerrigan and his $11.7 million salary and give the Skins pick# 3.90. What's not to love about that?
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
After hearing Cal speak for the 1st time ever (at least by me), and the garbage that came out of his hole that the fans should be excited that OB can make the bold moves he is, I have zero faith in this organization as long as this ownership is in place.
All this "culture change" BS!!! LMAO!!
Only O'Brien can be a HC with a team for 6 FREAKIN' SEASONS and then decide he needs a "culture change"!!
Basically, he's saying the culture that HE'S instilled for 6 seasons ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH!!!
Bill O'Brien: the only guy in the NFL will Bill Belichick power and a Marvin Lewis resume.
Keep shaking those pom poms, boys. One day Cal will notice and give you a ride in his ice cream truck.
He was dealt the hand he was given the 1st four seasons. Now he's doing what he would've done to begin with if he was in chrge. Starting with fixing the OL talent.
Marvin Lewis? You might want to go check out Marvin's playoff record before you make this comparison.
We may not agree with BOB's vision but how the team performs between now and 2022 will be BOB's vision and only his vision.
I like this very much.
Number19
Hall of Fame
DHop has to pass a physical also.
Hopkins would have to come in with both hands amputated not to pass his physical with Arizona.
A couple of years ago, after searching for several months, I purchased a vehicle right before Christmas. The sale price was below the Blue Book value, it came with a CPO warranty and they gave me above the KBB value for my trade-in.
For over a year after I bought that car, on a weekly basis, I would compare the sales price of similar vehicles on the market to compare with what I paid for mine. I just couldn't believe I got such a great deal. I never get that lucky.
I think the Cardinals GM and HC will feel the same way about the Hopkins' trade. The Cardinals never get that lucky. They will poke and prod. They will look for a limp because they just cannot believe the deal they made and what they had to give up.
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texan279
Hall of Fame
And BOB will insist on paying half of Hopkins' salary...
Number19
Hall of Fame
Physicals have been cancelled.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That hand wasn't that bad either. Yes they just come off a terrible season. But the previous two years 10-6 & 12-4. Yeah he was dealt a really fd up hand.
bigmck
Rookie
Yea, that is it........They are trying to make BOB look bad when we all know that is not the case.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
1 and 2 do not identify the problems with this offense. Find the other 5 issues. Correct the other 6 and 2 will take care of itself.
See, I don't see any one getting inside of one's head as much as one stating their opinion and one having a different opinion.
I for one think Watson could easily hoist a NFL SB Trophy and wish it would be with the Texans but it likely comes with a functionally better team. Texans would regret the day Watson walks and the best they got in return was a RD3-33-097 in return. I guess OB would still be on board so another black-eye moment for this knucklehead.
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I'm not following your numbers game.
I'm glad you can see it happening. Our opinions differ and that's ok.
BOB will be gone when his contract is up if this doesn't work out.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Watson's career splits between throwing to DeAndre Hopkins vs. all other Texans WRs
Interesting. So what can we assume from the stats?
- Watson is just as effective throwing to other WRs as he did with Hopkins?
- Watson was throwing to Hopkins more than the other WRs combined because of trust, injuries and inconsistencies?
- Watson was too reliant on his #1 WR?
- Other
- All of the above
Texazan
Our HOF 34
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
When in doubt, throw it up to Nuk. and Nuk was available unlike the other names we know too well.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I seen in a few games ( when he was healthy) Watson going to Fuller when he needed a big play. Fuller route running is top notch. Check out the game against the Falcons for one example. This is why I believe Fuller’s targets will increase if he can stay healthy. I’m thinking this is O’Briens plan.
They will, even if he plays the same number of games he did last yr. But not 150 targets.
I really like Fuller and looking at where he was as a rookie, he has really worked hard to improve his hands. Unfortunately, until he can prove he can stay healthy, I cannot trust him to be available to take some of the Hopkins' targets. You can't help your club from the tub.
In typical Texans' fashion, in a contract year, he probably plays 16 games, has a great year and then the question is will he stay healthy enough to earn the new contract.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Where are you coming up with that number. Even if it’s 130 that’s still a good amount.
nut
Veteran
David Johnson, DeAndre Hopkins still haven’t passed physicals
Posted by Mike Florio on April 5, 2020, 7:34 PM EDT
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The biggest trade of the 2020 offseason still isn’t finalized, nearly three weeks after the deal was preliminary done.
Per multiple sources, neither receiver DeAndre Hopkins nor running back David Johnson have passed their physicals. As a result, Hopkins still isn’t officially a Cardinal, and Johnson still isn’t officially a Texan.
So what happens if Johnson or Hopkins fail their physicals? That question was posed by a reader for Sunday’s mailbag, and it justified its own response.
As one source explained it to PFT, Johnson has had a preliminary physical performed on his wrist, which was injured in Week One of the 2017 season. He passed that portion of the physical, despite reduced range of motion that initially caused the doctor (not an NFL doctor) to hesitate. Johnson still has to take a physical as to the rest of his body.
Put simply, if Johnson or Hopkins fail their physicals, the trade will be off. As a practical matter, that gives both the Texans and the Cardinals an out, if they want to avoid the deal — and if they can persuade their doctors to give either guy an “F” on his physical.
For now, there’s no reason to think the Cardinals or the Texans would want to renege. But what if during the draft the Texans have a great running back tumble into their laps in, for example, round three or what if, for example, the Cardinals stumble into a great receiver who would be much cheaper than $22 million per year?
Then there’s the bigger question of what happens with the second-round pick that the Cardinals will be sending to the Texans and the fourth-round pick that the Texans will be sending to the Cardinals? If the physicals aren’t done and the trade isn’t done, how can the 2020 draft picks that were part of the deal change hands?
As one source explained it to PFT, the 2020 draft picks mean that the physicals will have to be done by the start of the draft, or the two sides will have to come up with other terms.
For Johnson, none of it matters; his $10.2 million salary is fully guaranteed regardless of whether the Cardinals or Texans pay it. (He also has another $2 million in fully-guaranteed salary for 2021.)
So the situation gives rises to plenty of questions, and answers in the form of completed physicals or alternative trade terms need to come within the next 19 days.
Posted by Mike Florio on April 5, 2020, 7:34 PM EDT
Getty Images
The biggest trade of the 2020 offseason still isn’t finalized, nearly three weeks after the deal was preliminary done.
Per multiple sources, neither receiver DeAndre Hopkins nor running back David Johnson have passed their physicals. As a result, Hopkins still isn’t officially a Cardinal, and Johnson still isn’t officially a Texan.
So what happens if Johnson or Hopkins fail their physicals? That question was posed by a reader for Sunday’s mailbag, and it justified its own response.
As one source explained it to PFT, Johnson has had a preliminary physical performed on his wrist, which was injured in Week One of the 2017 season. He passed that portion of the physical, despite reduced range of motion that initially caused the doctor (not an NFL doctor) to hesitate. Johnson still has to take a physical as to the rest of his body.
Put simply, if Johnson or Hopkins fail their physicals, the trade will be off. As a practical matter, that gives both the Texans and the Cardinals an out, if they want to avoid the deal — and if they can persuade their doctors to give either guy an “F” on his physical.
For now, there’s no reason to think the Cardinals or the Texans would want to renege. But what if during the draft the Texans have a great running back tumble into their laps in, for example, round three or what if, for example, the Cardinals stumble into a great receiver who would be much cheaper than $22 million per year?
Then there’s the bigger question of what happens with the second-round pick that the Cardinals will be sending to the Texans and the fourth-round pick that the Texans will be sending to the Cardinals? If the physicals aren’t done and the trade isn’t done, how can the 2020 draft picks that were part of the deal change hands?
As one source explained it to PFT, the 2020 draft picks mean that the physicals will have to be done by the start of the draft, or the two sides will have to come up with other terms.
For Johnson, none of it matters; his $10.2 million salary is fully guaranteed regardless of whether the Cardinals or Texans pay it. (He also has another $2 million in fully-guaranteed salary for 2021.)
So the situation gives rises to plenty of questions, and answers in the form of completed physicals or alternative trade terms need to come within the next 19 days.
Texansballer74
The Marine
That title is misleading. It should say they still haven’t taking the physical.