Tunsil was never going to sign with the new CBA coming up.
Clowney'refusing to go to Miami is why the deal with Seattle happened. After the Miami deal failed BOB took what he could get .
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Tunsil was never going to sign with the new CBA coming up.
Clowney'refusing to go to Miami is why the deal with Seattle happened. After the Miami deal failed BOB took what he could get .
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
No I get it. He's gone. Au revoire! Im at peace, what can you really do?
You wanna know what I wont do though? Make up and cherry pick stats to somehow quantify how this team can be better off without a future Hall of Famer and better with a concussion risk, and 30 year old running back.
I wont hope beyond hope that all these recently acquired pieces have career years in order for this team to take a step forward and slander or diminish the guys who made this team relevant for years and downplay their production.
Its okay to say you didnt feel Hopkins brought enough to the table to be a player in a SB or even contribute in a SB run. I disagree - simple as that.
Be safe out there.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Its too bad DeAndre Hopkins was never a "game breaker"
www.telegram.com
take it with a grain of salt what does Belichek know about the game anyway right?
Patriots notes: Texans WR DeAndre Hopkins an 'elite' talent
FOXBORO — There’s no denying that DeAndre Hopkins is one of the best receivers in the NFL. After hearing Bill Belichick speak on Wednesday,
www.telegram.com
take it with a grain of salt what does Belichek know about the game anyway right?
Your ignore list speaks more about you than any post you could possibly make.
I'm proudly 1st on that misguided list.
As well as being crowned king of the W.B. Club.
Thanks powda.
Its too bad DeAndre Hopkins was never a "game breaker"
Patriots notes: Texans WR DeAndre Hopkins an 'elite' talent
FOXBORO — There’s no denying that DeAndre Hopkins is one of the best receivers in the NFL. After hearing Bill Belichick speak on Wednesday,
take it with a grain of salt what does Belichek know about the game anyway right?
Nobody said Nuk wasn't a good WR.
He's not worth 5 yrs 100 mil with 50-60 guaranteed. IMHO
Texansballer74
The Marine
Lmao at one of the best receiver in the game not being worth 5 years 100 with 60 being guaranteed.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Hopkins has passed his physical.
banned1976
sleeper mode
You’re reading things that aren’t there. Of course Hopkins is a super bowl caliber wide receiver. Do you think O’Brien is going to be a winning super bowl head coach? Me neither. Not w/o some weird, freakish luck.
All I’m doing is trying to find a reason to still be interested in the Texans. So I found some stats, and cherry picked the hell out of them. Because i sincerely believe the only person that can get O’Brien out of here is O’Brien.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Just be interested because it's Houston Texans football. We know how it felt when the Oilers bounced.
If this was only true.
No 28 yr old WR is worth that much. Particularly with 3 yrs remaining on his contract. It sets a bad precedent.
It wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if the Texans bounced.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Julio Jones who is 31.
Jones' contract extension adds three seasons and $66 million to his current deal, ESPN reported. Of that new money, $64 million is guaranteed at signing, NFL Network reported. The Falcons signed Jones to a five-year contract extension worth $71,256,045 in 2015.Sep 7, 2019
Yeah only in your world.
Jones' contract extension adds three seasons and $66 million to his current deal, ESPN reported. Of that new money, $64 million is guaranteed at signing, NFL Network reported. The Falcons signed Jones to a five-year contract extension worth $71,256,045 in 2015.Sep 7, 2019
Yeah only in your world.
Nuk is a great WR but he's no Julio.
RGV82
Random guy
This is debatable. If Hopkins had played his entire career on the Falcons with Matt Ryan, you may have a different opinion.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
I get it bro I know where you stand on OBrien. Im just irritated in reading posts trying to rationalize getting rid of a franchise icon in his prime because you didnt want to pay him (publicly) but the reality was the coach/gm/Emperor didnt like him. There is no room for vindictiveness and these petty arguments in the boardroom. Business is never personal. If you allow it to become personal you will lose. Further to try and use stats and obscure anecdotal quibs to further that thought along is where it really ruffles me.
Im still a fan believe it or not, getting harder to be, but at this point the ousting of OBrien will be just like celebrating a SB so either way I feel like i'll win! Its just strange to feel the dystopian OBrien Is Dear Leader vibes in random posts - I just cant dig the Stockholm Syndrome where we are made to accept, support and ultimately sympathize and invent rationale to prop up this guy.
Be cool and stay safe!
reminded me of this: (makes a little more sense to me - Obrien felt threatened by Nuk and his confidence because it was too authentic - it encroached on his fake self absorbed cockiness! LOL)
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
FO has a metric they call (DYAR)
Last year was the first year since the Trashweiler season that Nuk was not in the top 5 in this metric. Coincidence that it coincides with a move to the slot? Nope. Complete correlation, and he still found himself in the top 20 in that role.
www.footballoutsiders.com
Not to boost Nuk's resume further - to continue to try and open eyes how much he left an imprint on the passing game just by occupying defenders.
Who wants to convince me that Brandin Cooks needs to be double teamed every play? Or any other receiver we have currently?
Last year was the first year since the Trashweiler season that Nuk was not in the top 5 in this metric. Coincidence that it coincides with a move to the slot? Nope. Complete correlation, and he still found himself in the top 20 in that role.
2019 Wide Receivers | Football Outsiders
Not to boost Nuk's resume further - to continue to try and open eyes how much he left an imprint on the passing game just by occupying defenders.
Who wants to convince me that Brandin Cooks needs to be double teamed every play? Or any other receiver we have currently?
True but probably not.
RGV82
Random guy
You could argue that Hopkins may be better than Jones had he played in the exact same situation as Jones for his entire career. Obviously we will never know but put Jones on the Texans the past few years and I guarantee he would not be looked at the same way he is now after playing with Matt Ryan and the Falcons.
You can't make an absolute statement like that. We will never know.
What we do know is Julio is the most physically gifted WRs in the NFL in addition to being a great route runner.
FO has a metric they call (DYAR)
Last year was the first year since the Trashweiler season that Nuk was not in the top 5 in this metric. Coincidence that it coincides with a move to the slot? Nope. Complete correlation, and he still found himself in the top 20 in that role.
2019 Wide Receivers | Football Outsiders
Not to boost Nuk's resume further - to continue to try and open eyes how much he left an imprint on the passing game just by occupying defenders.
Who wants to convince me that Brandin Cooks needs to be double teamed every play? Or any other receiver we have currently?
If DVOA was all that how have the Texans been a regular playoff participant?
Coaching? LMAO we know it's not that. DVOA is a very overrated stat. This isn't baseball.
RGV82
Random guy
Debatable.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
This is for all the "DeAndre is slow, his stats will be easy to replace - he isnt THAT big of a factor in a SB run" guys. Keep in mind this is Hopkins working vs what is probably the best CB in football right now ... AND HE HAD TOM SAVAGE THROWING HIM THE BALL!!
edit: that might have been TJ Yates?
edit edit: yep its TJ - Here's the CB matchups using game highlights for that snippet:
edit: that might have been TJ Yates?
edit edit: yep its TJ - Here's the CB matchups using game highlights for that snippet:
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Nobody is saying Nuk isn't good. It's just he's not worth paying 100 mil too. Plus walking out of a practice because you dont agree with your boss isn't a good look. I truly hope Nuk gets the $$$$ he wants and is happier in Glendale.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Clowney and Tunsil were both in the same position and neither had any real say in where they would've been traded....other than they could try to sit out the season. I don't think Clowney ever even met with the Dolphins. Tunsil didn't mind coming to Houston since he knew he had them over the barrel. If Clowney had been told, hey pack your bags you're going to Miami, I think he shows up with the same attitude as Tunsil.
RGV82
Random guy
The reason he is not worth paying 100 mil to is because the coaching won't let him reach his potential, not because he isn't good enough. He is definitely worth 100 mil in a better system.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Ya'll are putting way too much into this all pro thing. Anyone who has objectively watched both guys over the years knows Julio is the overall better specimen at the WR position and you could make the case that he's the better WR based on the numbers as his are either comparable or are better. look at his numbers from both 2018 and 2019. Yet Nuk was the guy voted all pro in both those years. Why? the only logical conclusion is b/c in those years the Texans were 11-5 and 10-6 & we got a bunch of prime time games for Nuk to showcase that he was at least on the level of the best in the game. By comparison everyone already knew Julio was a monster. ATL in both those years also only went 7-9. To be honest in 2018 you could've given an All pro designation to any number of guys and not necessarily been wrong. Antonio Brown's numbers in 2018 were also right there with Nuk, Julio and Micheal Thomas. but b/c the Steelers were just a slightly better than mediocore team.......& the fact that he was emerging as a knucklehead in Pitt he wasn't considered either.
I say all that to say that i would take all but 1 of the 4 guys i listed above over Nuk..and if we're talking about who of the 4 deserves 100 mil? probably would only be Julio b/c he's the better specimen and Thomas b/c he's younger. The rest, i'll pass. but like the pro bowl, the All-Pro designation is basically just a popularity contest for player and team. The only real difference is that there are less slots available than there is for the pro bowl.
I say all that to say that i would take all but 1 of the 4 guys i listed above over Nuk..and if we're talking about who of the 4 deserves 100 mil? probably would only be Julio b/c he's the better specimen and Thomas b/c he's younger. The rest, i'll pass. but like the pro bowl, the All-Pro designation is basically just a popularity contest for player and team. The only real difference is that there are less slots available than there is for the pro bowl.
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I hate BO'b, but... what? He's a 3 time all pro with BO'b (who I hate). How much higher is his ceiling?
RGV82
Random guy
On a team, who was a Super Bowl contender, and had a Super Bowl QB, they’d be paying him the money to keep him. We know we aren’t good enough to justify paying him the money because he won’t win us a Super Bowl on his own.
He said he didn't want to play for Miami, he only wanted to play for a contender and wouldn't sign his tender if he was traded to Miami. These articles are out there somewhere.
In true karma fashion that decision is going to cost Clowney alot of $$$$. Clowney cost the Texans atleast a 2021 2nd, but in $$$$ terms Clowney was the big loser in that deal. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.
RGV82
Random guy
The Bears learned the hard way to not pay a guy a large amount of money (Khalil Mack) when you have no chance at winning. If we had made it further in the playoffs this year and not had a meltdown, I’m pretty sure Hopkins would still be here.
RGV82
Random guy
Obviously not. That’s my point. In order to pay a WR that kinda money he needs talent surrounding him. Which we don’t have.
Ain't no WR winning a SB on his own.
With Cobb/Cooks the talent level has been upgraded and will look much different next yr. Even with the Nuk trade.
RGV82
Random guy
Irrelevant to my initial point.
Nobody seem to be able to answer this question.
Hopkins just signed an extension to his contract before the 2017 season. 2017 was his 5th year rookie option.
2018 was the first year of his extension & he was already asking for another raise.
2019 was the second year of his extension & he's threatening a hold out.
It really has nothing to do with how much they want to pay Hopkins. He just got paid, a contract that made him the 2nd highest paid receiver at the time. A contract that guaranteed more money than ever before.
I personally would have had a hard time finding the "want to" to pay him. We're not going to cut him a new deal every time the bar is raised. Just not going to do it.
I wish him luck in Cleveland... I mean Arizona, I still love him, just can't do it.
This is a good, reasonable post and opinion. However, I still feel there were other options besides extending his contract or trading him for David Johnson.
I do not like that trade. I wasn't looking to trade Hopkins for anything before it happened. I just think it's obvious money wasn't the issue.
agreed.
seems to me that O'Brien and Hopkins didn't get along.
The only way for Hop to leave Houston was to ask for another "raise". I'm sure he knew that wouldn't go over well with our coach/GM.
...of course this is speculation.
I may have missed it but I've yet to see a link quoting Hopkins actually asking for a new contract.
What was your point? You brought up Zeke/Cooper into the discuss
Dont blame McNair/BOB for getting rid of him at all if this was the case.
Everything I stated is fact.
Texansballer74
The Marine
So a top 3 reciever isn't worth what COOPER, Thomas and Jones is getting. GTFOH with that nonsense people. Lol
When you're ranked in the top three it's very subjective on who is better. You can't go wrong with either choice folks.
When you're ranked in the top three it's very subjective on who is better. You can't go wrong with either choice folks.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I think it was more than the money. This was a personal decision that was hasty AF.
They had him on the block since the middle of last yr. Per King
Hardly a hasty decision.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Until Tunsil's name is on the dotted line of a new contract.....their 2019 moves could be extremely costly to both Clowney and OB.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
.....OB is trying to bury him on a crappy team that he feels would prevent Hopkins from having an I told you season. I'm not buying OB's line of shite either in regards to Hopkins being on the market since last season. If that were truly real......there's no chance a rumor doesn't sprout up from somewhere. Trade rumors were all quite until the deal with the Cardinals was announced. OB is a fool if he thinks Texans fans are going to buy his BS>
