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austins23 said:
I know you're not trying to put words in my mouth.

I guarantee, Belichik is reminding his OC to remind Brady, Peyton is reminding Brees, Packers HC / OC is reminding Rodgers of the same thing in that scenario. Good coaches that know game situations inside and out remind the QB's of what to do in said situations.

Like I said, maybe OB did remind him and if so then Watson panicked and that's on him.
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And I guarantee they don't, though since neither one of us has the headsets to listen into we are both full of it. :kitten:
 
maverick512000 said:
Sorry but that is football 101, if you are trying to kill the clock then you stay in bounds, run it as much as possible and abuse the play timer. Anything to keep the game clock running. There are literally only a few seconds that the sideline can talk to the QB before they kill the mics so why should they have to take that time to remind Watson of something that even causal fans know? What you are saying Watson needs does not jive with the brilliant play breakdown we see from him in interviews. Unless Watson is for some reason able to process complex plays and formations but can't grasp basic simple football concepts.
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All I'm saying is that whether or not the QB knows what to do, the HC / OC should remind him of the situation. It's his job to remind him of it! And the play clock starts at 40 seconds and ends at 15. He's got 25 seconds to talk to him. That reminder takes 2/3 seconds, tops.
 
The biggest takeaway is that almost nobody penciled in the Texans to beat the red-hot Titans on their own turf.

Sure, we can look to the "turning-point" play with the Mercilus pick, but it can easily be said that had there been no pick on Watson in the endzone to start with, there may never have actually been a turning point to get to later. Watson had bad plays and he had stellar ones. Same goes for the guy across from him.

Too much is being made over the throw out of bounds at the end, but you've got a guy hard-wired to extend plays and try to score without turning it over. If it's any type of real concern, then you run the ball. The call from the sideline dictated pass.

The Texans held Henry to 86 yards and no scores. It's better than anyone else had done in over a month. The secondary had its usual problems, but the Defense on balance held up their end of the bargain.

Special teams had an unexpectedly stellar game.

All-in-all, I think it'll have little bearing on the final two games of the season. The current Jekyll/Hyde streak will likely continue. The only good news is the final two opponents suffer from the same condition.
 
steelbtexan said:
It was the play at the end of the game where he should've taken a sack to run 40 seconds off of the clock and finish the game out instead of throwing the ball away.
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Back in one of the Colts game when Anger stepped out of the back of end zone but danced around first when we needed the time is another example of players not knowing what do with the clock.

A lack of urgency at times, stupid time outs or letting 25 seconds run off before calling a timeout.

I don’t think this coaching staff understands the clock. So I don’t know how they can tell the players how they want them to handle it.

I don’t remember how many employees you have or how actively you manage them but I have smart people working for me and I have to remind them all the time of stuff they already know and how I want things done.
 
TejasTom said:
Back in one of the Colts game when Anger stepped out of the back of end zone but danced around first when we needed the time is another example of players not knowing what do with the clock.

A lack of urgency at times, stupid time outs or letting 25 seconds run off before calling a timeout.

I don’t think this coaching staff understands the clock. So I don’t know how they can tell the players how they want them to handle it.

I don’t remember how many employees you have or how actively you manage them but I have smart people working for me and I have to remind them all the time of stuff they already know and how I want things done.
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Sad but true
 
steelbtexan said:
It pretty much was.

The Tacks moved the ball up and down the field at will. Difference was the Reid/Mercilus turnover and a few stops.
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Just a few posts above, you said RAC did a good job yesterday. Now, you're saying the defense played pretty much the same compared to the Broncos game? Huh?

Against the Broncos, the Texans D did NOT force a punt until the 4th quarter when it was pretty much garbage time.
Against the Titans, they forced 3 punts in the first half!

Texans D played MUCH better compared to against the Broncos.

Not even mentioning how the Titans had a red-hot offense coming in, while the Broncos had a rookie QB playing his 2nd game (whom only scored 3 points yesterday).
 
dream_team said:
Just a few posts above, you said RAC did a good job yesterday. Now, you're saying the defense played pretty much the same compared to the Broncos game? Huh?

Against the Broncos, the Texans D did NOT force a punt until the 4th quarter when it was pretty much garbage time.
Against the Titans, they forced 3 punts in the first half!

Texans D played MUCH better compared to against the Broncos.

Not even mentioning how the Titans had a red-hot offense coming in, while the Broncos had a rookie QB playing his 2nd game (whom only scored 3 points yesterday).
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He did a good job.

But that still doesn't mean the Tacks didn't move the ball up and down the field at will. The biggest difference was they made enough plays to win yesterday. Against the Broncos they didn't get turnovers and very few 3rd down stops.
 
My takeaways from this game:

The good:
  • We won the battle of the trenches. IMO, this is where we won the game.
    • The offense runs SO much better when Hyde gets 3+ yards on those 1st down runs. The pass-pro was good. No stupid pre-snap penalties on the OL.
    • Henry was probably not 100%, but the DL & LBs contained Henry. It was huge the front 7 was able to contain Henry by themselves, so that the safeties could stay back looking for that play action.
  • I hope the Titans extend Tannehill and try to make him their franchise guy. He looks ok, but nothing spectacular.
The bad:
  • Lack of pass-rush from the front 4 and the secondary aren't good at tackling. It is what it is, RAC needs to figure out a way to workaround this.
  • Jacob Martin is a liability against the run, he needs to be strictly a pass rush specialist.
  • Still seeing two receivers running similar routes. WTH is going on there?
  • The Titans finally found a franchise WR. AJ Brown is legit.
 
steelbtexan said:
He did a good job.

But that still doesn't mean the Tacks didn't move the ball up and down the field at will. The biggest difference was they made enough plays to win yesterday. Against the Broncos they didn't get turnovers and very few 3rd down stops.
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In other words... the defense played better. Got it!
 
Texansphan said:
He has already improved in some aspects.
I have faith in the old proverb :- "practice makes perfect".
While he may never be perfect, top 5 will be just fine by me.
If you want perfection from any qb, you will be a long time disappointed.
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Top 5?

Hopefully, some think he's already top 5.
 
Texansphan said:
There are only 7 that I think you could confidently say are better right now. Counting Big Ben.
What's your count?
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Depends on which game your talking about.

Some games he's #1

Other games he's not even top 20.

This is the issue and you cant win a championship this way.

Yesterday he was top 15 ish and the Texans still won, so there is that.
 
steelbtexan said:
Depends on which game your talking about.

Some games he's #1

Other games he's not even top 20.

This is the issue and you cant win a championship this way.

Yesterday he was top 15 ish and the Texans still won, so there is that.
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C'mon man, you know I mean on average.
 
steelbtexan said:
Depends on which game your talking about.

Some games he's #1

Other games he's not even top 20.

This is the issue and you cant win a championship this way.

Yesterday he was top 15 ish and the Texans still won, so there is that.
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If every time you thought about repeatedly posting the same opinion about Watson and spent that energy trying to figure out how to post a link or attachment, you would know how to post a link or attachment.
 
LMAOOOOOOOOO ... before Sunday the narrative was "Deshaun Watson takes too many sacks arghhhhh he's the DEVIL, he's illiterate and he doesnt even deserve to be in the NFL!!"

yesterday Deshaun .. running for his life as usual with this incompetent offensive line, goes off of the voice in his head "dont take a sack, dont take a sack, dont take a sack" and he runs out of bounds. The VULTURES here are just hanging around trying to nitpick EVERY SINGLE MOVE HE MAKES, and its absurd and PATHETIC!! YOu Watson haters need to realize that you are going to be salty and mad for a LONG LONG TIME. Maybe you should go latch on to the Cowboys and their awesome QB situation? How about the guy we just beat, WAtson Hater #1 tried to convince everyone he was the best QB in the NFL prior to our game yesterday. Guess what? CAN'T TELL!!! LOL.

ONLY HERE. On the most hallowed of Texan fan sites does Watson get this treatment. MOST EVERYONE that analyzed his game APPLAUDED his efforts, because they know how hard of a game it was to win for the road team in those situations with the dynamic of what was going on with both teams.

Just like the high school championship he won, just like the college championship he won, and just like every prime time game he plays in Deshaun Watson shows why he makes most of his haters choke on their words.

YOU LOVE TO SEE IT!!

Want to talk about regression and "not getting it" ... just go to the "Fire OBrien" thread .. read the first page, and then read the last page. Case closed. the OBrien sycophants should know that in a Deshaun or OBrien decision, it really wouldnt be that hard of a decision right? LOL
 
maverick512000 said:
Sorry but that is football 101, if you are trying to kill the clock then you stay in bounds, run it as much as possible and abuse the play timer. Anything to keep the game clock running. There are literally only a few seconds that the sideline can talk to the QB before they kill the mics so why should they have to take that time to remind Watson of something that even causal fans know? What you are saying Watson needs does not jive with the brilliant play breakdown we see from him in interviews. Unless Watson is for some reason able to process complex plays and formations but can't grasp basic simple football concepts.
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I’ve seen a lot of players in that situation make the same mistake on every level.

And as far as grasping simply football concepts. How many times have we’ve seen our HC F up on basic concepts, like knowing when to call a timeout and etc.

We can not expect these people to be perfect. They’re going to F up just like most of us on here would.
 
Earl34 said:
If every time you thought about repeatedly posting the same opinion about Watson and spent that energy trying to figure out how to post a link or attachment, you would know how to post a link or attachment.
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So simple, all he has to do is copy and paste. I just believe he refuses to post links and attachments.
 
austins23 said:
All I'm saying is that whether or not the QB knows what to do, the HC / OC should remind him of the situation. It's his job to remind him of it! And the play clock starts at 40 seconds and ends at 15. He's got 25 seconds to talk to him. That reminder takes 2/3 seconds, tops.
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I do not want the head coach saying anything after the play is called in the huddle. I want my QB to be reviewing the defensive set, talking to his running back and perhaps receivers. I want his mind and focus on that play not somebody on the sideline breaking his concentration. I would be stunned if Peyton Manning, Brady or Brees put up with their head coach saying anything to them during that time. Watson is no longer a rookie he knows the basics. Should O'Brien need to say the snap is on hut-hut-hut in Watsons ear?
 
badboy said:
I do not want the head coach saying anything after the play is called in the huddle. I want my QB to be reviewing the defensive set, talking to his running back and perhaps receivers. I want his mind and focus on that play not somebody on the sideline breaking his concentration. I would be stunned if Peyton Manning, Brady or Brees put up with their head coach saying anything to them during that time. Watson is no longer a rookie he knows the basics. Should O'Brien need to say the snap is on hut-hut-hut in Watsons ear?
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Guys, look. The play before the throw out of the endzone Watson got a yard. The Titans called its last timeout. So Watson is on the sideline discussing the play call with OB. You are telling me that OB never once mentioned to him during that conversation that he should not throw it away but get down in bounds and let the clock run?
OB - "Listen we are going to try and score with a pass play here."
Watson - "hell ya coach, let's bury these turds."
OB - "But remember if nothing is there just get to the ground in bounds. We need the clock to run."
Watson - "ten four coach"

Sideline huddle, OB should have definitely reminded Watson of what the situation was there.

EDIT: I forgot there was a TO taken there. No excuse for that conversation not to happen. That is a HC's job.
 
Texansballer74 said:
I’ve seen a lot of players in that situation make the same mistake on every level.

And as far as grasping simply football concepts. How many times have we’ve seen our HC F up on basic concepts, like knowing when to call a timeout and etc.

We can not expect these people to be perfect. They’re going to F up just like most of us on here would.
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Did I say I expected them to be perfect? Did I say that OB doesn't F up on basic concepts? In fact what does Ob and his F ups even have to do with this? We are discussing Watson and one play in particular and all I said was that it is football 101 and that Watson shouldn't need to be remind of it every time it comes up. Its a basic part of the job that he has been doing his entire adult life. Yeah we all forget basic parts of our jobs at times but that doesn't mean our bosses should have to remind us of it every time it comes up so we don't forget again.

I'm not putting words in Austins23 mouth and this isn't aimed at him but if Watson has to be reminded "hey when trying to run the clock down don't throw an incomplete pass because it stops the clock" every time it comes up then we have a serious problem. There are a lot more important things to be said in that 30 second or so window of open mics.

It was one time and it is by no means time to push the panic button but the argument being made is that it was Watson's instincts. Ok great, but his instincts to extend plays and to go for it have also been part of the Jekyll and Hyde of this team. When it works he pulls a Houdini and is a one man highlight reel, when it doesn't he makes you wonder if he is worth the big payday he has coming up. Watson needs to start knowing when to overcome his instincts before it really costs us like it almost did last night.
 
maverick512000 said:
Did I say I expected them to be perfect? Did I say that OB doesn't F up on basic concepts? In fact what does Ob and his F ups even have to do with this? We are discussing Watson and one play in particular and all I said was that it is football 101 and that Watson shouldn't need to be remind of it every time it comes up. Its a basic part of the job that he has been doing his entire adult life. Yeah we all forget basic parts of our jobs at times but that doesn't mean our bosses should have to remind us of it every time it comes up so we don't forget again.

I'm not putting words in Austins23 mouth and this isn't aimed at him but if Watson has to be reminded "hey when trying to run the clock down don't throw an incomplete pass because it stops the clock" every time it comes up then we have a serious problem. There are a lot more important things to be said in that 30 second or so window of open mics.

It was one time and it is by no means time to push the panic button but the argument being made is that it was Watson's instincts. Ok great, but his instincts to extend plays and to go for it have also been part of the Jekyll and Hyde of this team. When it works he pulls a Houdini and is a one man highlight reel, when it doesn't he makes you wonder if he is worth the big payday he has coming up. Watson needs to start knowing when to overcome his instincts before it really costs us like it almost did last night.
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As a coach you should always remind your troops on the situation at hand, no matter how long they’ve played this game. And I didn’t say you said this or that either. Just stating we can not expect them to be perfect. That’s why I used the example of O’Brien F’n up in situation like this as well. Lol just gave you a taste of your own medicine bud.

Agreed Watson is part of the inconsistency of this team too. I don’t think anyone is disagreeing with you on that fact.
 
disaacks3 said:
The biggest takeaway is that almost nobody penciled in the Texans to beat the red-hot Titans on their own turf.

Sure, we can look to the "turning-point" play with the Mercilus pick, but it can easily be said that had there been no pick on Watson in the endzone to start with, there may never have actually been a turning point to get to later. Watson had bad plays and he had stellar ones. Same goes for the guy across from him.

Too much is being made over the throw out of bounds at the end, but you've got a guy hard-wired to extend plays and try to score without turning it over. If it's any type of real concern, then you run the ball. The call from the sideline dictated pass.

The Texans held Henry to 86 yards and no scores. It's better than anyone else had done in over a month. The secondary had its usual problems, but the Defense on balance held up their end of the bargain.

Special teams had an unexpectedly stellar game.

All-in-all, I think it'll have little bearing on the final two games of the season. The current Jekyll/Hyde streak will likely continue. The only good news is the final two opponents suffer from the same condition.
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99% of that is because Romo was harping on it.

What is a much bigger concern to me was that the Titans managed to score in 1:22 with no timeouts. The Texans could not make a tackle in bounds to save their lives.
 
maverick512000 said:
Sorry but that is football 101, if you are trying to kill the clock then you stay in bounds, run it as much as possible and abuse the play timer. Anything to keep the game clock running. There are literally only a few seconds that the sideline can talk to the QB before they kill the mics so why should they have to take that time to remind Watson of something that even causal fans know? What you are saying Watson needs does not jive with the brilliant play breakdown we see from him in interviews. Unless Watson is for some reason able to process complex plays and formations but can't grasp basic simple football concepts.
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Football 101, but here is a link about the two time Super Bowl winner, high football IQ brother of Peyton with over 10 years of experience making the exact same mistake that led to a loss. My point? It happens and is not a reflection on not grasping simple football concepts or being stupid. It happens.

By the way, the QB headset is turned off at the 12 second mark of the play clock. The 49ers and Rams are known for going no huddle, quickly getting to the LOS and the OCs are communicating with the QBs and helping dissect the defense that couldn’t substitute. Its more than a few seconds.

ftw.usatoday.com

Eli Manning basically handed Dallas a victory on a silver and blue platter

“Absolutely baffling,” Tony Dungy said afterward.
ftw.usatoday.com ftw.usatoday.com
 
steelbtexan said:
The problem is he's hardly ever avg.

Yesterday he was and they won.

All they need from him is a little more improvement and I dont see it happening. That's the frustrating part.
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Well I am going to have to agree to disagree.
The records he is setting already suggests we have something special.
I don't believe the statisticians are making them up or blowing smoke up his ass.
 
steelbtexan said:
Would you agree that the last 5 games.

Balt- DW4 played like Crap
Colts- DW4 was avg and they were lucky to win. If the 2 dropped INT's happened they would've lost.
Pats- Played great
Broncos- Sucked a**, but a team loss, including BOB.
Tacks- You tell me what you think? Not good enough to win in the playoffs. IMHO
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In the two losses the entire team played like crap.

I thought DW4 played an average game yesterday.

So, 2 average, 2 craps, one great game by Watson.
 
UnlimitedTexan said:
I don't think we have the talent to play 4 consistent quarters on defense. This team definitely needs the offense to be the charge yet it's the defense who makes plays that swing momentum. Such an odd team.
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I'm no expert, but this is a function of how football works. One side of the ball may be superior but football is still a complimentary game. I'm sure a strong offense is emboldened when their "bend and sometimes break" defense makes a huge play and puts them in a position to score easily.
 
Mangler said:
My take is that we have no business being in the playoffs. We’re weak at HC/OC/GM, pretty much setup to fail.
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I have been critical of BO'b but I think this season has been his best. There are better options out there but I would not say BO'b is weak.
 
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stingray said:
Like my dad used to say, first world problems. We used to complain about not having a franchise qb, and now e have one and some still complain.
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And in the game day thread they appear to gloat and “lmao” whenever Watson makes a mistake. I understood when it happened when Osweiler was here but Watson seems to me, anyway, a guy that’s easy to root for.

Regardless of how I feel about them, I never enjoy watching a Texans player or coach make a mistake.
 
Wow I just read a comment suggesting we trade Watson in the offseason. Unbelievable, we finally get a franchise QB who is playing light years better than all of those throwaways we’ve had. Whose either putting us in position to beat elite teams, beating great teams and with a few bad losses to elite teams. And you want to trade him. Wow just to start all over knowing darn well O’Brien’s offense is complicated. Yes let’s scrap this and start all over.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
Wow I just read a comment suggesting we trading Watson in the offseason. Unbelievable, we finally get a franchise QB who is playing light years better than all of those throwaways we’ve had. Whose either putting us in position to beat elite teams, beating great teams and with a few bad losses to elite teams. And you want to trade him. Wow just to start all over knowing darn well O’Brien’s offense complicated. Yes let’s scrap this and start all over.
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Everyone has an opinion, and like a$$***** they all stink
 
banned1976 said:
And in the game day thread they appear to gloat and “lmao” whenever Watson makes a mistake. I understood when it happened when Osweiler was here but Watson seems to me, anyway, a guy that’s easy to root for.

Regardless of how I feel about them, I never enjoy watching a Texans player or coach make a mistake.
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Watson seems like a great young man and is intent on getting better and works hard on his game and making his teammates around him better.
He appears to love the game and has great potential.
Like you I am mystified at the downerism exhibited by some towards him.
 
maverick512000 said:
I don’t get the damn love affair people around here have with Reid.
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I don't remember saying I'm in love with Andy Reid but I do have a lot of respect for his accomplishments.

What I do remember saying is that Andy Reid is a better coach than Bill O'Brien. And I stand by that.

Here is a head to head comparison Of Reid with the Chiefs & O'Brien with the Texans.

Regular season
Reid: 75-35 .682
O'Brien: 51-43 .543

Playoff record
2-5 .286
1-3 .250

Losing Seasons:
Reid: 0
O'Brien: 1

Best achievement in post season:
Reid: AFC championship.
O'Brien: AFC Divisional Round

Just some trivia.

Reid is number 6 in wins of all NFL head coaches.

1. Don Shula - 328 Wins
2. George Halas - 318 Wins
3. Bill Belichick - 272 Wins
4. Tom Landry - 250 Wins
5. Curly Lambeau - 226 Wins
6. Andy Reid - 205 Wins

The numbers bear out that anyway you want to compare them Reid has a better track record than O'Brien. If you are asking would I take Reid over O'Brien my answer is hell yes in a heartbeat.
 
Texansphan said:
Well I am going to have to agree to disagree.
The records he is setting already suggests we have something special.
I don't believe the statisticians are making them up or blowing smoke up his ass.
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When he's great he's great

Right now he's not great often enough to win a championship.
 
Earl34 said:
If every time you thought about repeatedly posting the same opinion about Watson and spent that energy trying to figure out how to post a link or attachment, you would know how to post a link or attachment.
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Nice of you to try to tell me how to spend the time I have left in this life. Duly noted.
 
steelbtexan said:
When he's great he's great

Right now he's not great often enough to win a championship.
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For the hundredth time , he does not have to be great to win a freaking SB. You’re too hung up on that narrative to the point of no return it seems.

Last year even the great Brady wasn’t great. But he managed to catch rhythm in the 4th quarter to help his team win the SB.

So why are you so freaking down on Watson? What did this young man do to you?

Your expectations of just him is outlandish.
 
Texansballer74 said:
For the hundredth time , he does not have to be great to win a freaking SB. You’re too hung up on that narrative to the point of no return it seems.

Last year even the great Brady wasn’t great. But he managed to catch rhythm in the 4th quarter to help his team win the SB.

So why are you so freaking down on Watson? What did this young man do to you?

Your expectations of just him is outlandish.
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Brady was great in all of the games until the SB and the only reason he wasn't then was because the receivers struggled to get open. The defense kept the game close and Brady did what Brady does.

You should only hope/dream DW4 could do 1/2 of what Brady has already done in career.
 
Earl34 said:
Using your logic:
  1. Drew Brees has only been great 1 year out of 19
  2. Peyton Manning was great 2 years out of 17
  3. Tom Brady has been great only 6 years out of 17
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LMAO

Good try.

BTW, Mahomes was great in the playoffs last yr but lost. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make or that I really care about your point.
 
mws said:
I don't remember saying I'm in love with Andy Reid but I do have a lot of respect for his accomplishments.

What I do remember saying is that Andy Reid is a better coach than Bill O'Brien. And I stand by that.

Here is a head to head comparison Of Reid with the Chiefs & O'Brien with the Texans.

Regular season
Reid: 75-35 .682
O'Brien: 51-43 .543

Playoff record
2-5 .286
1-3 .250

Losing Seasons:
Reid: 0
O'Brien: 1

Best achievement in post season:
Reid: AFC championship.
O'Brien: AFC Divisional Round

Just some trivia.

Reid is number 6 in wins of all NFL head coaches.

1. Don Shula - 328 Wins
2. George Halas - 318 Wins
3. Bill Belichick - 272 Wins
4. Tom Landry - 250 Wins
5. Curly Lambeau - 226 Wins
6. Andy Reid - 205 Wins

The numbers bear out that anyway you want to compare them Reid has a better track record than O'Brien. If you are asking would I take Reid over O'Brien my answer is hell yes in a heartbeat.
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Now take 2018 out of it and then compare them head to head.

Edit: To clarify I mean compare the two up till Reid got Mahomes on the field in 2018. Up to that point they are neck and neck.

Also Reid has been coaching for over 20 years so yeah not surprised he has gotten up a lot of wins. He was great in Philly but hasn’t done much for KC.
 
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Texansballer74 said:
For the hundredth time , he does not have to be great to win a freaking SB. You’re too hung up on that narrative to the point of no return it seems.

Last year even the great Brady wasn’t great. But he managed to catch rhythm in the 4th quarter to help his team win the SB.

So why are you so freaking down on Watson? What did this young man do to you?

Your expectations of just him is outlandish.
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My expectations are for DW4 to become more consistent in his decision making and generally more consistent overall in his accuracy.

I guess that's too much to ask for some. In short right now he's just not that good. Can he get better? Sure, will he, who knows. I wouldn't bet on DW4. I hope I'm wrong.
 
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