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Takeaways from the Broncos game.

My take from the game is to paraphrase the legendary comic Bill Hicks:

“Go back to bed, Texans Fans. Your head coach has figured out how it all transpired. Go back to bed, Texans fans. Bill O'Brien is in control again. Here. Here's some cheerleaders. Watch this, shut up. Go back to bed, Texans fans. Here is tailgating. Here is 6 hours of it! You are free to see what we tell you! You are free to do what we tell you!”
 
@riversmccown: This is my own opinion: I don't think they think they know who deserves to be starting right now.

And I think that happens a lot (OL rotations) and gives me Extreme College Coach Vibes. https://t.co/JPBYmyIDia
 
gwallaia said:
Surely this has been discussed, but why in the name of Bill O'Brien's chin-hole did they go for it on 4th down right before the half on your end of the field?
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Actually, I was good with it--if they had used Hyde. When he wasn't in backfield, I thought well everyone know Watson will run it or at least RPO for a first but we will get it. It was still early in game and I thought a first under those circumstance would lift team and fans-- pluhch!

Edit: beat me to it! From dream_team "We went empty backfield. "
 
dream_team said:
I understand DW didn't have a good game. But I don't understand why you're singling out the QB? It was a total disaster for the whole squad. Even if Watson had a good game, we're still losing because the defense had no answer for Drew Lock. The Broncos offense was doing whatever they wanted.
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That’s what he does when he’s stuck on his agenda. He called him what he called him for a reason.
 
JB said:
The Bronco's defense came into the game as the #5 pass defense but like #30 rush defense and the first series the rush was doing okay but the bend until broken defense gave up so many points so fast the Texans had no choice but to go against that
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The return TD was on Coutee to make it 0-14.

The Texans scored 3 poínts in the first half.
This slow start is sickening.
 
badboy said:
Did you hear QTs comment "I thought I was down. The ref told me I was down."
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Every player just stood there, but they are supposed to keep playing until they hear a whistle. The Broncos sure took advantage of it.
 
When you hear, 'they're a well coached team', it usually refers to a team where the players consistently execute on the smallest details. They're not always the most talented teams, but they don't screw things up and more times than not, the other team makes the mistakes that cost them the game. Then there's teams that can move the ball but the guy fumbles as soon as they get into field goal range. They get close to field goal range and would have converted on 3rd down but their tackle has a false start. The talent is there, but they just don't consistently execute on the small details that get your team's momentum going or stop the other team's momentum.

I have no idea what goes on during practice leading up to games, but I have a feeling that if we got to sit in on a weeks worth of practice on a well coached team and a weeks worth of practice on our team, that we'd have a better understanding of why we're Jekyll and Hyde.
 
gwallaia said:
Surely this has been discussed, but why in the name of Bill O'Brien's chin-hole did they go for it on 4th down right before the half on your end of the field?
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Not really discussed. That was dumb to begin with. Dumber to call a pass, and dumbest for Deshaun not to use his feet in those situations AFTER Einstein called the pass plays. Hyde & Duke averaged 5 yards per carry. Denver was known as a bad run team way before we played them. We outsmart nobody but ourselves.
 
I had no problem going for it on 4th down because I felt like the game was pretty well decided already barring a score on that drive. I did have a problem with going 5 wide because it shows you're not running the ball. The defense doesn't even need to prepare for a possible run except from Watson and they were spying him all game. It just seemed like the play call was another attempt to get "cute" while converting the 4th down. But let's be honest, the defense wasn't getting a stop regardless of if they got the ball at the 40 or the 5, they were BAAAAAAAD.
 
Mangler said:
Also, Watson has won a championship, while O’Brien NEVER has on any level!
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Yeah, but what is that saying exactly? Was he supposed to win an NCAA championship at Penn State after picking up the mess that was Sadunsky/Paterno? Aside from that he has only been an NFL HC for the Texans. He did go to a SB with the Pats but they didn't win that one.
 
Seegara said:
Something needs to be done about Tunsil and all the false starts. I have it! Let him call the snap count. That duty doesn't have to be on the QB.
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I caught the tail end of an interesting conversation with Wade Smith on 610. As a former guard, he was saying that sometimes it's good for the OL to know the play before getting to the LOS. That way, you can focus on the man you have to block and what technique you're going to use for a given play.

Smith said, it's harder for the OL to get to the LOS, get into their stance and then the QB is making so many checks and changes at the LOS, you are always having to think instead of reacting. He mentioned the Texans should go no huddle more. He also mentioned Tunsil has more false starts at home than on the road. He attributes it to Tunsil reacting to the snap count a hair faster than Martin is snapping the ball. He recommended Devlin, Martin, Tunsil and Watson spend more time in practice on the snap count. Similar to a pass rusher, Tunsil is anticipating the snap count and is coming off the count quicker than Martin is snapping the ball.

Take it for what's it worth from a person who actually played the position.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Man stop it, nobody is giving Watson or anybody else a freaking pass for that crap we seen on yesterday.
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Oh there are some on here that can get very creative when it comes to placing any blame what so ever on WatJICson.

You k know this is true, just admit it and move on.
 
steelbtexan said:
Look at the entire season and tell me WatJICson has played well against top tier defenses. The Pats game looks like an abberation
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Here is how he played vs teams by the rankings in terms of scoring defense.
Patriots_ Good
Chargers- Good
Ravens- Bad
Broncos-Bad
Saints- Good
Colts- 1 bad 1 good
Bucs- TBD
Titans-TBD
Chiefs-Good
Falcons-Good
Jags- 1 good 1 bad
Panthers- Bad
Raiders-Good
 
Earl34 said:
It's a petty squabble against 2 or 3 posters and to get under their skin, all posters are subjected to the same repetitive Watson bashing and spelling.
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To be fair all posters are also subject to the same OB bashing and narrative. It’s gets old hearing the same thing from both sides. Let’s also let’s not forget Rico changed his avatar to be a prayer candle with Watson on it so while I think the Jesus in cleats thing is stupid the other side hasn’t exactly shown a lot of maturity either.
 
texanhead08 said:
Here is how he played vs teams by the rankings in terms of scoring defense.
Patriots_ Good
Chargers- Good
Ravens- Bad
Broncos-Bad
Saints- Good
Colts- 1 bad 1 good
Bucs- TBD
Titans-TBD
Chiefs-Good
Falcons-Good
Jags- 1 good 1 bad
Panthers- Bad
Raiders-Good
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I would disagree about Raiders good

But over all DW4 has been very inconsistent. The great QB's can have a bad qtr/half and still come up big when the game is on the line. When things dont go right the first 3-4 drives, DW4 isn't able to recover and bring his team back to victory.

BTW, It would help Tunsil if the fans knew to be quite when the Texans have the ball.
 
Earl34 said:
I caught the tail end of an interesting conversation with Wade Smith on 610. As a former guard, he was saying that sometimes it's good for the OL to know the play before getting to the LOS. That way, you can focus on the man you have to block and what technique you're going to use for a given play.

Smith said, it's harder for the OL to get to the LOS, get into their stance and then the QB is making so many checks and changes at the LOS, you are always having to think instead of reacting. He mentioned the Texans should go no huddle more. He also mentioned Tunsil has more false starts at home than on the road. He attributes it to Tunsil reacting to the snap count a hair faster than Martin is snapping the ball. He recommended Devlin, Martin, Tunsil and Watson spend more time in practice on the snap count. Similar to a pass rusher, Tunsil is anticipating the snap count and is coming off the count quicker than Martin is snapping the ball.

Take it for what's it worth from a person who actually played the position.
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it sounds to me that Tunsil is jumping the count. Practice helps but game time is a whole nother world.
 
Uncle Rico said:
Not really discussed. That was dumb to begin with. Dumber to call a pass, and dumbest for Deshaun not to use his feet in those situations AFTER Einstein called the pass plays. Hyde & Duke averaged 5 yards per carry. Denver was known as a bad run team way before we played them. We outsmart nobody but ourselves.
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BEFORE those 2 plays Hyde was averaging over 6 yards per touch.
 
Seegara said:
Do you think this embarrassing loss has sealed BoB's fate?
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No. However I do think it was a hole in his canoe as he paddles up the well-known Creek. I am hoping that Mama McNair after the game read the riot act to Cal. So much of what she does in the area of charity work is tied to a good image of the team. I am hoping that how the team lost is as important to her as it is to me. Winning our last 3 and making it to the Superbowl is what we need to do to get the bad taste out of the mouths of fans. Ain't happening.
 
There were a lot of Broncos fans in the stadium yesterday and I was somewhat surprised based on how they are playing this year and they were pretty loud so that might have something to do with Tunsil not hearing the count.
 
steelbtexan said:
A big part of why I said this was a 3 yr rebuild in the beginning. WatJICson needs to get some more experience and talent needs to be added on the defensive side of he ball. Edge/Coverage LB needs to be at the top of the list of needs.

They also need a really fast WR to be the WFV injury replacement and move Stills full time into the slot. Coutee needs to be replaced.

They also could use OL depth and a young RB.

Good news is this is a deep draft on the offensive side of the ball.
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mussop said:
Just stop it. OB SUCKS!!! Period!! Rick Smith had nothing to do with his horrible playcalling with his piss poor game management with us even worse player management. He’s a total piece of **** and he needs to be gone or this team will never win anything he’s not a good coach face it that’s a fact.

Oh and NE is 2 and 3 in its last 5 games. Those two wins were against two **** teams who’ve both lost three ina row now. So no beating New England was not a step forward. It was just another **** win that looked better than it really was. This team is trash and it’s that way because it’s a direct reflection of his head coach.

Their soft, complacent and lack focus. Just like OB.
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There is enough blame to go around and Watson deserves much of it.

They are kinda alike , one week OB calls a brilliant game like the second Jags game , one week Watson is lights out and puts up a 50 spot on Atlanta.
The next one or the other lays an egg …. or in the case of this Bronco's and Panthers debacles , they both lay an egg.
Inconsistency is the identity of this team.

Watson has shown that he can light it up …. every other week , OB has shown that he's mediocre for 6 years.

I'd really like to see Watson with another coach and OC …. Maybe they can get that consistency out of him that OB cant.

Problem is , unless they crater and miss the playoffs , that's not likely at all.

There were times during the second Colts matchup where I almost hoped they lost that game …. and fell out of the playoff picture completely just to get OB gone.
This next one against the tInbreds …. win or lose I don't care. The best we can hope for is a second round whoopin at the hands of the Ravens , Chiefs or Pats , that is if they can beat the Bills which is highly questionable.
To be quite honest , I think that's the ceiling for this team under OB - I'd rather miss the playoffs and send Miami a nice draft pick than go thru another year of this crap.

I've had it with Mr Mediocre.

We need to open up a can of OB Be Gone.
 
TripleTap said:
Pardon? Anybody really think Watson is Jesus IC. Get a grip.
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KA4Texan said:
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At all this "It's OB" "It's Watson" mess.

May as well be Daffy and Bugs Bunny...

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They both have their share of the blame.

IMO one has shown an inability to grow... the other has shown he just needs time to do so.

Neither are spotless.
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UR has this in his avatar. It's offensive. He also says it often. In the case Doc made for more civility, i said I would stop using the reference because I thought posters knew my feelings on this subject and UR's. Plus the double standard that currently exists with regards to the mods. I guess I was wrong.

Neither one of them has grown.
 
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Corrosion said:
There is enough blame to go around and Watson deserves much of it.

They are kinda alike , one week OB calls a brilliant game like the second Jags game , one week Watson is lights out and puts up a 50 spot on Atlanta.
The next one or the other lays an egg …. or in the case of this Bronco's and Panthers debacles , they both lay an egg.
Inconsistency is the identity of this team.

Watson has shown that he can light it up …. every other week , OB has shown that he's mediocre for 6 years.

I'd really like to see Watson with another coach and OC …. Maybe they can get that consistency out of him that OB cant.

Problem is , unless they crater and miss the playoffs , that's not likely at all.

There were times during the second Colts matchup where I almost hoped they lost that game …. and fell out of the playoff picture completely just to get OB gone.
This next one against the tInbreds …. win or lose I don't care. The best we can hope for is a second round whoopin at the hands of the Ravens , Chiefs or Pats , that is if they can beat the Bills which is highly questionable.
To be quite honest , I think that's the ceiling for this team under OB - I'd rather miss the playoffs and send Miami a nice draft pick than go thru another year of this crap.

I've had it with Mr Mediocre.

We need to open up a can of OB Be Gone.
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I wouldn't mind another HC either just to stop all of this bullcrap. If it happens DW4 will cost the next guy his job and the same excuses will be made. You're just hoping DW4 will improve, but it isn't goin to happen. He's a coach killer like Moon.

I agree with you about the 2nd Rd of the playoffs. Why? Because those teams are getting more consistent QB play.
 
steelbtexan said:
Neither one of them has grown.
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One of them has had 3 times longer than the other.

This is only creeping up on Watsons second full season.

This is OBs 14th year of a 3 year rebuild. There is a clear difference in the opportunity for growth.

Bad/poor/mediocre leadership can stiffle growth with their stagnant ways. OB has had multiple players...same lack luster results... Watson has had one HC in his pro career.
 
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KA4Texan said:
One of them has had 3 times longer than the other.

This is only creeping up on Watsons second full season.

This is OBs 14th year of a 3 year rebuild. There is a clear difference in the opportunity for growth.

Bad/poor/mediocre leadership can stiffle growth with their stagnant ways. OB has had multiple players...same lack luster results... Watson has had one HC in his pro career.
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Depends on what you think of RS and BOB's 4 yrs with RS.

BOB wasn't calling he shots.
 
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