FIRE O'BRIEN NOW!!!

[Mr.Scarface]

I have watched him. I have also watched the offensive line he's running behind. So with that being said its easy to look at this on the surface, but Hyde and Johnson are taking advantage of a vastly superior offensive line between the two teams. If Lamar Miller was healthy he might be leading the league in rushing. Same with Bell. I wasnt trying to use raw stats to provide the backbone for my argument, just a bunch of film and the inclusion of the present variables with Houston and adding Bell to this mix. But you are right, glossing quickly over the stats you would be left quite unimpressed.

Hyde hits a hole and goes. Great situational back, cant block for sht, shouldnt be your feature back and a reason why 6 other teams have ultimately passed.

Duke Johnson was an even more intriguing acquisition, but all O'Brien has asked the open field runner to do is play smashmouth between the tackles because thats what O'Brien likes to do. Bell is a better blocker than both of these guys combined, I may say an even better receiver than Duke and is built to withstand the rigors of the running style Mr "Im the smartest man in the room" likes to use.

Its all null and void, I get it before we get more surly posters crying. It was a merely speculative opinion; and yes; intentional ribbing on my part because i thought it was very funny to have the Houston Texans as being linked to Bell AT THIS STAGE LMAO .. they had all that money preseason and could have had the guy indoctrinated by now, and even after all the injuries to the defense and vastly superior needs Mr OBrien keeps getting linked to offensive players!! Nobody see's the irony? Just me? I guess Im just too easily amused.

Its a little interesting too isnt it, that if the team were as happy with the running situation as you are that there would be any rumors of this kind?

edit: and looking deeper into this did you know that in the last 2 games Bell only had 12 and 16 touches respectively? All this while that offense is in shambles and his QB is "seeing ghosts" .. needs to more involved and thats also a team with an idiot as the head coach.

I'm not trading anything but a 5th rounder for a player with THAT contract, who took a year off, and has shown NOTHING in his return.

You know why the Texans were linked? Because people looked around the league and said "Hey, who could use a RB?" Texans came up because of Lamar's injury and they had Hyde as their featured back. Texans were NEVER interested (according to the people with "inside sources"). Texans are fine with their combo at RB for this season.

Bell is a NAME. He is not the same back as he was with the Steelers.

 

[Texansballer74]

I'm not trading anything but a 5th rounder for a player with THAT contract, who took a year off, and has shown NOTHING in his return.

You know why the Texans were linked? Because people looked around the league and said "Hey, who could use a RB?" Texans came up because of Lamar's injury and they had Hyde as their featured back. Texans were NEVER interested (according to the people with "inside sources"). Texans are fine with their combo at RB for this season.

Bell is a NAME. He is not the same back as he was with the Steelers.

LOL The Steelers had a way better offense and much better offensive line. So of course it would seem as if Bell has lost a step or doesn't look as good as he did in Pittsburgh. Again put him on a better offensive team and watch his production go up.

 

[steelbtexan]

I have watched him. I have also watched the offensive line he's running behind. So with that being said its easy to look at this on the surface, but Hyde and Johnson are taking advantage of a vastly superior offensive line between the two teams. If Lamar Miller was healthy he might be leading the league in rushing. Same with Bell. I wasnt trying to use raw stats to provide the backbone for my argument, just a bunch of film and the inclusion of the present variables with Houston and adding Bell to this mix. But you are right, glossing quickly over the stats you would be left quite unimpressed.

Hyde hits a hole and goes. Great situational back, cant block for sht, shouldnt be your feature back and a reason why 6 other teams have ultimately passed.

Duke Johnson was an even more intriguing acquisition, but all O'Brien has asked the open field runner to do is play smashmouth between the tackles because thats what O'Brien likes to do. Bell is a better blocker than both of these guys combined, I may say an even better receiver than Duke and is built to withstand the rigors of the running style Mr "Im the smartest man in the room" likes to use.

Its all null and void, I get it before we get more surly posters crying. It was a merely speculative opinion; and yes; intentional ribbing on my part because i thought it was very funny to have the Houston Texans as being linked to Bell AT THIS STAGE LMAO .. they had all that money preseason and could have had the guy indoctrinated by now, and even after all the injuries to the defense and vastly superior needs Mr OBrien keeps getting linked to offensive players!! Nobody see's the irony? Just me? I guess Im just too easily amused.

Its a little interesting too isnt it, that if the team were as happy with the running situation as you are that there would be any rumors of this kind?

edit: and looking deeper into this did you know that in the last 2 games Bell only had 12 and 16 touches respectively? All this while that offense is in shambles and his QB is "seeing ghosts" .. needs to more involved and thats also a team with an idiot as the head coach.

There's one mans opinion

God I'm glad he's not running the franchise.

 

[Texansballer74]

 

[Mr.Scarface]

LOL The Steelers had a way better offense and much better offensive line. So of course it would seem as if Bell has lost a step or doesn't look as good as he did in Pittsburgh. Again put him on a better offensive team and watch his production go up.

According to many on this board, Texans are no better than the Jets' offensive line or offensive scheme.

 

[Uncle Rico]

According to many on this board, Texans are no better than the Jets' offensive line or offensive scheme.

2019 NFL OFFENSIVE LINE RATINGS | Football Outsiders

Regular season totals, playoffs not included Revised as of 3/29/2020 Teams are ranked according to Adjusted Line Yards. Based on regression analysis, the Adjusted Line Yards formula takes all running back carries and assigns responsibility to the offensive line based on the following percentages:

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in terms of run blocking the Texans OLine is ranked by FO as the 11th best. In pass protection it sits at 22.

NYJ are 31st in both categories.

Steelers? 22nd run blocking unit, and interestingly enough the best offensive line in pass protection.

 

[Texansballer74]

2019 NFL OFFENSIVE LINE RATINGS | Football Outsiders

Regular season totals, playoffs not included Revised as of 3/29/2020 Teams are ranked according to Adjusted Line Yards. Based on regression analysis, the Adjusted Line Yards formula takes all running back carries and assigns responsibility to the offensive line based on the following percentages:

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in terms of run blocking the Texans OLine is ranked by FO as the 11th best. In pass protection it sits at 22.

NYJ are 31st in both categories.

Steelers? 22nd run blocking unit, and interestingly enough the best offensive line in pass protection.

Good find

 

[Texansballer74]

2019 NFL OFFENSIVE LINE RATINGS | Football Outsiders

Regular season totals, playoffs not included Revised as of 3/29/2020 Teams are ranked according to Adjusted Line Yards. Based on regression analysis, the Adjusted Line Yards formula takes all running back carries and assigns responsibility to the offensive line based on the following percentages:

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in terms of run blocking the Texans OLine is ranked by FO as the 11th best. In pass protection it sits at 22.

NYJ are 31st in both categories.

Steelers? 22nd run blocking unit, and interestingly enough the best offensive line in pass protection.

https://images.app.goo.gl/BScZGtwwsNgTre5d7

 

[steelbtexan]

Good find

These numbers will improve when Howard gets back and gets some experience. BTW, is Howard going to be back this week. I'm just so glad that the OL is much improved over the last 2 yrs OL and because they're young have much room for improvement.

 

[Texansballer74]

These numbers will improve when Howard gets back and gets some experience. BTW, is Howard going to be back this yr. I'm just so glad that the OL is much improved over the last 2 yrs OL and because they're young have much room for improvement.

I believe he will be back after the bi-week.

 

[steelbtexan]

I believe he will be back after the bi-week.

I had a brain fart and have edited it. Cold weather I guess.

Did Howard fly to London?

 

[Texansballer74]

I had a brain fart and have edited it. Cold weather I guess.

Did Howard fly to London?

I stand corrected. Looks like he will be playing Sunday

 

[DocBar]

I stand corrected. Looks like he will be playing SundayView attachment 4786

I pray this isn't another instance of the Texans medical staff not letting a player sufficiently rehab an injury.

 

[IDEXAN]

I had a brain fart and have edited it. Cold weather I guess.

Did Howard fly to London?

C&D said he not only made the trip but he's reportedly practicing over there and he (C&D) is concerned that Howard might actually play Sunday.
I hope I haven't misquoted or mispoken on what I think C&D said but that's my recollection from the Injury thread..

 

[Mr teX]

I agree. I'd let the kid sit out this week & bring him back after the bye.

 

[OptimisticTexan]

HEY OB!!!!!! TO's are not like S&H Green Stamps.......they CANNOT be redeemed for additional picks in the 2020 NFL Draft. DAMNIT MAN!!!!!

 

[CloakNNNdagger]

A pretty honest look at what we have all been discussing. A worthwhile listen to the end. There is even good material about Coutee later in the video.

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How much credit does Bill O’Brien deserve for the Texans being 6-3? Should Deshaun Watson win NFL MVP?
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4:04 PM - 4 Nov 2019

 

[Texansballer74]

Win the next three games and I can confidently say he has turned the corner.

 

[Texansballer74]

A pretty honest look at what we have all been discussing. A worthwhile listen to the end. There is even good material about Coutee later in the video.

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4:04 PM - 4 Nov 2019

The media was calling Bill O’Brien the next best thing. And also said if the Texans were going to fire him several teams would hire him right away.

 

[maverick512000]

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In the mix just means they made an offer, which I don’t doubt they did, but it doesn’t mean they were in the bidding war. People forget also Bell didn’t want to come here he wanted to go to Baltimore to stick it to the Steelers but ultimately the Jets just threw stupid money at him and Ravens said that was their final offer.

 

[ObsiWan]

A pretty honest look at what we have all been discussing. A worthwhile listen to the end. There is even good material about Coutee later in the video.

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At first I thought the guy was really Steelb. Then he morphed into JamTex/Uncle Rico when he started talking about how fabulous Deshaun Watson is.
Then he started talking about yoga and caffeine and vegan diets.
...that's when I thought he got possessed by Thorn.
LoL

 

[Earl34]

The media was calling Bill O’Brien the next best thing. And also said if the Texans were going to fire him several teams would hire him right away.

When he was with the Titans, the same media use to say the same thing about Jeff Fisher. They constantly ignored he was a .500 coach. After the disaster with the Rams, the media doesn't say much about Fisher.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

When he was with the Titans, the same media use to say the same thing about Jeff Fisher. They constantly ignored he was a .500 coach. After the disaster with the Rams, the media doesn't say much about Fisher.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

Fisher let the game pass him by. He never embraced VY and that hurt both of them. B'OB is an offensive coach and has embraced the skillset of Watson. This offense looks like the offense from 7 games from 2017, being expanded upon to maximize Watson's skillset with a mixture of B'OB's route trees and run game. He has went heavy on the RPO and the addition to that option pass routes to the flats (where there is an option to throw to the TE, downfield or run the ball) has been VERY effective.

 

[Texansphan]

He "received instructions" directly from McNair - Go get a quarterback.

I was simply giving you the draft history at the position that supports my statement of his philosophy on the importance of the position.

Three quarterbacks drafted in a decade , none higher than #135 when the last 3-4 years of that time the best you had at the position was Keenum , The Blundering Wizard of Oz , FitzTragic or Hoyerable.

Watson has made you guys forget the pathetic play this team got at the QB position from the time Schaub was injured until Watson showed up on our doorsteps.







I have it from a very good source that Tricky Rick and OB both preferred Mahomes and that OB didn't want Watson at all ….

TBH I don't believe it would have mattered which one he got.



You miss the point.

He went a full decade and drafted only 3 QB's , none higher than #135 including the post Schaub years when they had literally Just A Guy at the position.

It took that mandate from ownership to force him to make the Watson pick - otherwise we'd probably still be starting some dude off the scrap heap.

Not many guys can …. Rodgers , Brees , Brady , Manning , Mahomes ….

That type of anticipation and accuracy isn't really Watson's strength.

Watson has his own set of skills and needs a coach who's going to take advantage of them , not pigeon hole him into an offense that doesn't suit him.

You give OB Mahomes …. he'd screw him up too because he's just so damn inflexible.

You cant fit a square peg into a round hole.

I put a big question mark on this statement.
For instance, Texans (under OB) are 20-12 with Watson - not too shabby if you actually consider this has been accomplished while DW4 was a raw rookie and has just completed only his first 32 games - barely through his sophomore year.
I see people say that Watson is winning despite OB and that is nothing but pure conjecture.
For a QB to be really effective he needs a decent coach.
Would Brady be Brady without Belichek?
Would Brees be Brees without Peyton? This one is easier because he blossomed at NO.
So we can logically see there is a case that OB might just be a good match for DW4, despite not actually wanting him - as you say.

 

[Seegara]

He sure ain't as bad as Doug Marrone.

 

[Corrosion]

He sure ain't as bad as Doug Marrone.

Not this week anyhow ….

I put a big question mark on this statement.
For instance, Texans (under OB) are 20-12 with Watson - not too shabby if you actually consider this has been accomplished while DW4 was a raw rookie and has just completed only his first 32 games - barely through his sophomore year.
I see people say that Watson is winning despite OB and that is nothing but pure conjecture.
For a QB to be really effective he needs a decent coach.
Would Brady be Brady without Belichek?
Would Brees be Brees without Peyton? This one is easier because he blossomed at NO.
So we can logically see there is a case that OB might just be a good match for DW4, despite not actually wanting him - as you say.

Man , OB is so hot and cold … one week he's beating the Chiefs in their house the next calls one of his worst games (and Watsons) against the Panthers and Dolts , then this absolute masterpiece against a really good Jags defense.

Its like which OB is going to show up this week ? The one that's trying to pound a square peg into a round hole or the one that called that masterpiece against the Jags …. If its the former , Watson probably has to play superman for the team to have a shot at winning. If its the latter , odds are its gonna be a long day for the opposition.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

Not this week anyhow ….





Man , OB is so hot and cold … one week he's beating the Chiefs in their house the next calls one of his worst games (and Watsons) against the Panthers and Dolts , then this absolute masterpiece against a really good Jags defense.

Its like which OB is going to show up this week ? The one that's trying to pound a square peg into a round hole or the one that called that masterpiece against the Jags …. If its the former , Watson probably has to play superman for the team to have a shot at winning. If its the latter , odds are its gonna be a long day for the opposition.

The Panthers game was before the Chiefs game. Panthers' D was playing REALLY well. Also, Stills went out in that game.....affects play calling. The Colts game...what happened? Fuller got hurt, affects the game plan. The offense looking bad is usually caused by an injury to the WR group that throws things off. You can see it. Against the Colts, the Texans had a plan to stretch the Colts' D. Didn't happen after Fuller went down. Against the Jags, they went to a short passing game and went heavy on the run game. That plan was different than the first game when Jags shut down the deep passing game. Also remember, the OLine has gotten better since the panthers and the first jags game.
Makes a difference.

 

[Thorn]

At first I thought the guy was really Steelb. Then he morphed into JamTex/Uncle Rico when he started talking about how fabulous Deshaun Watson is.
Then he started talking about yoga and caffeine and vegan diets.
...that's when I thought he got possessed by Thorn.
LoL

If I could possess someone I'd possess McNair and have him make a few adjustments to the coaching staff.

 

[Corrosion]

The Panthers game was before the Chiefs game. Panthers' D was playing REALLY well. Also, Stills went out in that game.....affects play calling. The Colts game...what happened? Fuller got hurt, affects the game plan. The offense looking bad is usually caused by an injury to the WR group that throws things off. You can see it. Against the Colts, the Texans had a plan to stretch the Colts' D. Didn't happen after Fuller went down. Against the Jags, they went to a short passing game and went heavy on the run game. That plan was different than the first game when Jags shut down the deep passing game. Also remember, the OLine has gotten better since the panthers and the first jags game.
Makes a difference.

You sure you were watching the Texans ? or was that some other team??

Sure sure sure …. I get it , its not his fault.

Except it is.

When your plan isn't working , you have to have a backup plan. That's Not OB.
His plan is going to work eventually …. same thing over and over expecting a different result. It works I tell you - you aren't executing it right , go run it again!

When your plan doesn't suit your quarterback - You go with something that does , He hasn't done that until recently.

If you watched the past few weeks - He's gone away from "His Plan" and gone with things that highlight Watson's strengths.

That Jags team is pretty much the same one that came in here and shut the Texans down starting a rookie QB in his first NFL game (Minus a quality CB) while the Texans were at full strength for the most part in the earlier matchup and this time they didn't have either of their starting OT's …. missing Watt and most of their starting secondary.

Instead of running with his usual predictable offense … He may as well have had a completely different playbook. Like he stole it from Andy Reid or something.
The result was an easy win and probably the best game he's called in his tenure here.

He stopped tryin to smash that square peg into that round hole.

 

[maverick512000]

Not this week anyhow ….





Man , OB is so hot and cold … one week he's beating the Chiefs in their house the next calls one of his worst games (and Watsons) against the Panthers and Dolts , then this absolute masterpiece against a really good Jags defense.

Its like which OB is going to show up this week ? The one that's trying to pound a square peg into a round hole or the one that called that masterpiece against the Jags …. If its the former , Watson probably has to play superman for the team to have a shot at winning. If its the latter , odds are its gonna be a long day for the opposition.

You hit the nail on the head and I think this is in large part because he is wearing to many hats. Its why I am in favor of bringing Caserio in because that will take one hat off his head. Some people won't believe this and even more won't want to hear this but BoB is not going anywhere any time soon. So since is is going to be the HC then lets given him every possible tool to succeed and then there are no excuses. To be honest it reminds me of what many were saying the Raiders were doing with Carr and why they made so many splashy moves. They were seeing what they had in Carr as a QB.

You can say we know what we have with OB as a HC but looking at it from a neutral point of view you can make an argument we don't. The first few years we had crap QBs and he and RS were in fighting. We can argue all day who's to blame for both of those things but the fact is it affected the team. Fast forward and the closest thing to a franchise QB we had up to that point was the blundering wizard of Oz, who I guess we paid for his retirement, and him and BoB literally get into a screaming match. Honestly not sure I can blame BoB for that because if my new, what was it 37 million dollars, QB just said he learns better from the bench I would have blown up to.

Fast forward some more and now we have a real franchise QB and a new GM but then something happens with that new GM. I know everyone here has their theory, which in their mind is fact, about what happened but in reality we don't know. So long story short we can't say that we have seen BoB when he has both a quality team AND can just be the HC. I will be very curious to see what kind of HC he looks like if they do bring Caserio in and now with the new quality players. Might as well be curious because again he ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[Corrosion]

You hit the nail on the head and I think this is in large part because he is wearing to many hats. Its why I am in favor of bringing Caserio in because that will take one hat off his head. Some people won't believe this and even more won't want to hear this but BoB is not going anywhere any time soon. So since is is going to be the HC then lets given him every possible tool to succeed and then there are no excuses. To be honest it reminds me of what many were saying the Raiders were doing with Carr and why they made so many splashy moves. They were seeing what they had in Carr as a QB.

You can say we know what we have with OB as a HC but looking at it from a neutral point of view you can make an argument we don't. The first few years we had crap QBs and he and RS were in fighting. We can argue all day who's to blame for both of those things but the fact is it affected the team. Fast forward and the closest thing to a franchise QB we had up to that point was the blundering wizard of Oz, who I guess we paid for his retirement, and him and BoB literally get into a screaming match. Honestly not sure I can blame BoB for that because if my new, what was it 37 million dollars, QB just said he learns better from the bench I would have blown up to.

Fast forward some more and now we have a real franchise QB and a new GM but then something happens with that new GM. I know everyone here has their theory, which in their mind is fact, about what happened but in reality we don't know. So long story short we can't say that we have seen BoB when he has both a quality team AND can just be the HC. I will be very curious to see what kind of HC he looks like if they do bring Caserio in and now with the new quality players. Might as well be curious because again he ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

Would be nice to see a GM and an OC …

I don't think he's going anywhere either - unless we get totally embarrassed in the playoffs or a wildcard game exit.

Have to give him his due for calling that game against the Jags ….

 

[DocBar]

Would be nice to see a GM and an OC …

I don't think he's going anywhere either - unless we get totally embarrassed in the playoffs or a wildcard game exit.

Have to give him his due for calling that game against the Jags ….

He's been given his due for 3 out of 9 games. 3 games with good scheme/play calling. Out of 9.

 

[Fred]

He's been given his due for 3 out of 9 games. 3 games with good scheme/play calling. Out of 9.

Exactly. We are supposed to swoon over the fact that he has called 3 games as well as the average message board member would have called them (heck maybe better than some members) and 6 games worse than most message board members. It's like he's suddenly a world-class Rocket Surgeon because he finally starts doing what has been obviously needed for years. But I give him credit. For 3 games.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

You sure you were watching the Texans ? or was that some other team??

Sure sure sure …. I get it , its not his fault.

Except it is.

When your plan isn't working , you have to have a backup plan. That's Not OB.
His plan is going to work eventually …. same thing over and over expecting a different result. It works I tell you - you aren't executing it right , go run it again!

When your plan doesn't suit your quarterback - You go with something that does , He hasn't done that until recently.

If you watched the past few weeks - He's gone away from "His Plan" and gone with things that highlight Watson's strengths.

That Jags team is pretty much the same one that came in here and shut the Texans down starting a rookie QB in his first NFL game (Minus a quality CB) while the Texans were at full strength for the most part in the earlier matchup and this time they didn't have either of their starting OT's …. missing Watt and most of their starting secondary.

Instead of running with his usual predictable offense … He may as well have had a completely different playbook. Like he stole it from Andy Reid or something.
The result was an easy win and probably the best game he's called in his tenure here.

He stopped tryin to smash that square peg into that round hole.

What happened to Almighty Andy Reid in the Texans' game? I can post links of Chiefs bitching about him.

O'Brien is stubborn, but not stupid. I think Doug Marrone is stupid.


No...it is called ADJUSTMENTS. The reason any offensive coordinator runs their offense no matter what is that they believe in it. It worked last season. What he realized that teams adjusted to what they were doing after the Chargers' game. They made adjustments after the Panthers' game and for the Falcons & Chiefs game. Health played a part of the issue with the Colts game (Howard out, Johnson going down, then Fuller going out). You can SEE O'Brien making adjustments week to week.

Hate to tell you, the Texans are running an Offense that is NOTHING like the Chiefs. Mahomes is not a running threat (yes he can move on scrambles, but not designed runs). RPO comes in MANY different flavors. Texans are running RPO that is more like Clemson than anything in the NFL. O'Brien added NFL concepts and schemes to it. This is MUCH closer to the offense that was run in Watson's 7 games as rookie. O'Brien has decided to stop fighting it, and realized the RPO heavy offense works for EVERYONE because of some many new faces on offense. This is not just about Watson, but the Receivers/TEs/RBs/and Olinemen. He obviously changed the route trees also. You saw it first in the Chiefs game. The checkdowns are seem to be in places more comfortable for Watson to use them to get the ball out faster.

 

[Corrosion]

What happened to Almighty Andy Reid in the Texans' game? I can post links of Chiefs bitching about him.

O'Brien is stubborn, but not stupid. I think Doug Marrone is stupid.


No...it is called ADJUSTMENTS. The reason any offensive coordinator runs their offense no matter what is that they believe in it. It worked last season. What he realized that teams adjusted to what they were doing after the Chargers' game. They made adjustments after the Panthers' game and for the Chiefs game. Health played a part of the issue with the Colts game (Howard out, Johnson going down, then Fuller going out). You can SEE O'Brien making adjustments week to week.

Hate to tell you, the Texans are running an Offense that is NOTHING like the Chiefs. Mahomes is not a running threat (yes he can move on scrambles, but not designed runs). RPO comes in MANY different flavors. Texans are running RPO that is more like Clemson than anything in the NFL. O'Brien added NFL concepts and schemes to it. This is MUCH closer to the offense that was run in Watson's 7 games as rookie. O'Brien has decided to stop fighting it, and realized the RPO heavy offense works for EVERYONE because of some many new faces on offense. This is not just about Watson, but the Receivers/TEs/RBs/and Olinemen. He obviously changed the route trees also. You saw it first in the Chiefs game. The checkdowns are seem to be in places more comfortable for Watson to use them to get the ball out faster.

Please …. argue with someone else.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

You hit the nail on the head and I think this is in large part because he is wearing to many hats. Its why I am in favor of bringing Caserio in because that will take one hat off his head. Some people won't believe this and even more won't want to hear this but BoB is not going anywhere any time soon. So since is is going to be the HC then lets given him every possible tool to succeed and then there are no excuses. To be honest it reminds me of what many were saying the Raiders were doing with Carr and why they made so many splashy moves. They were seeing what they had in Carr as a QB.

You can say we know what we have with OB as a HC but looking at it from a neutral point of view you can make an argument we don't. The first few years we had crap QBs and he and RS were in fighting. We can argue all day who's to blame for both of those things but the fact is it affected the team. Fast forward and the closest thing to a franchise QB we had up to that point was the blundering wizard of Oz, who I guess we paid for his retirement, and him and BoB literally get into a screaming match. Honestly not sure I can blame BoB for that because if my new, what was it 37 million dollars, QB just said he learns better from the bench I would have blown up to.

Fast forward some more and now we have a real franchise QB and a new GM but then something happens with that new GM. I know everyone here has their theory, which in their mind is fact, about what happened but in reality we don't know. So long story short we can't say that we have seen BoB when he has both a quality team AND can just be the HC. I will be very curious to see what kind of HC he looks like if they do bring Caserio in and now with the new quality players. Might as well be curious because again he ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

Hmmm, every move that O'Brien has made since he became the "defacto" GM has panned out. Tunsil/Stills, Duke, Hyde, and Conley. The Clowney trade was something that had to be done......not going argument the semantics.. it ended up getting Jacob Martin (who I think is going to play a big part now that JJ is hurt to help the pass rush) and the 3rd round pick that was used for Gareon Conley.

You going to argue "They gave up too much for Tunsil/Stills". Not if you look at the Jalen Ramsey trade...which basically the same and the Texans got Stills too. LT tackles are more valuable than shut down CBs IMHO.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

Please …. argue with someone else.

What, don't have a good response?

What I find is you can shoot holes in people hate of B'OB...especially in regards to his "GM" moves.

But whatever......

 

[Corrosion]

What don't have a good response?

What I find is you can shoot holes in people hate of B'OB...especially in regards to his "GM" moves.

Dude , you might be the only OB fan on this entire forum …. there must be something wrong with the rest of us.

I'm done here - please go bother someone else. Maybe put me on ignore.

 

[austins23]

Have to give him his due for calling that game against the Jags ….

He's been given his due for 3 out of 9 games. 3 games with good scheme/play calling. Out of 9.

We are supposed to swoon over the fact that he has called 3 games

I was thinking about this on my drive to work tonight.
The Saints game was good.
The Jags game was horrible.
The Chargers game was good.
The Panthers game was horrible.
The Falcons game was good or up against a really bad defense.
The Chiefs game was good.
The Colts game....I'm willing to give a pass here because of the injuries. Although it struggled early on to move the ball. The team was still in position to tie the game at the end.
The Raiders game was good.
The Jags game was good.

Go look at the Saints and Chargers box scores. Almost identical.

 

[Mr.Scarface]

Dude , you might be the only OB fan on this entire forum …. there must be something wrong with the rest of us.

I'm done here - please go bother someone else. Maybe put me on ignore.

I'm not an O'Brien fan, however, I will wait to see how the season plays out.

Your hate for O'Brien blinds you to the fact his players play for him and somehow, I guess thru SHEER luck, he wins games (Only had Watson for 1 playoff run, let's see year 2).

 

[Mr.Scarface]

I was thinking about this on my drive to work tonight.
The Saints game was good.
The Jags game was horrible.
The Chargers game was good.
The Panthers game was horrible.
The Falcons game was good or up against a really bad defense.
The Chiefs game was good.
The Colts game....I'm willing to give a pass here because of the injuries. Although it struggled early on to move the ball. The team was still in position to tie the game at the end.
The Raiders game was good.
The Jags game was good.

Go look at the Saints and Chargers box scores. Almost identical.

Don't worry, the Haters gonna hate and are blinded by facts.

 

[Corrosion]

I was thinking about this on my drive to work tonight.
The Saints game was good.
The Jags game was horrible.
The Chargers game was good.
The Panthers game was horrible.
The Falcons game was good or up against a really bad defense.
The Chiefs game was good.
The Colts game....I'm willing to give a pass here because of the injuries. Although it struggled early on to move the ball. The team was still in position to tie the game at the end.
The Raiders game was good.
The Jags game was good.

Go look at the Saints and Chargers box scores. Almost identical.

Aints - I'll give you that one. Tough team.
Jags #1 was just poor.
Chargers - they won. First half was poor.
Panthers - may have been his worst game as a playcaller since he got here.
Falcons - We'll call this one in OB's favor - that was a beatdown.
Chiefs - Solid game.
Colts game - That wasn't good. The Texans are clearly the better team and let one get away. They never really got any traction offensively.

Raiders game was pretty bad - Watson saved the day. Mediocre at best if you ask me. Was looking like a repeat of the Dolts game until they woke up.

Jags #2 - That was a splendidly called and executed game.

If you look at the design of the offense from the beginning of the season to now , you can see the differences are pretty clear.


What makes Watson special is what he can do off script - putting him in those off script situations while on script …. is how you put him in the best possible position.



It also helps when they can run the ball at will ….

But when he asks Watson to drop back , stand in the pocket and throw deep routes into a two deep shell , that's just asking to go 3 and out. (Particularly Carolina).

 

[Corrosion]

Don't worry, the Haters gonna hate and are blinded by facts.

You just want to argue …. I don't value your opinion enough to give you the satisfaction.

I dislike OB but I do give him credit on occasion.

But hey , don't go talking about clock management or penalties … time outs not used , calling a timeout then throwing the challenge flag - no , that isn't his job!

 

[Mr.Scarface]

You just want to argue …. I don't value your opinion enough to give you the satisfaction.

I dislike OB but I do give him credit on occasion.

But hey , don't go talking about clock management or penalties … time outs not used , calling a timeout then throwing the challenge flag - no , that isn't his job!

You just described every coach in the NFL. You should visit various teams message boards. There are post complaining about everyone of those issues. Teams we played were I've seen this: Raiders, Colts, Chiefs, Falcons, Chargers, Jags, Panthers........

 

[austins23]

If you look at the design of the offense from the beginning of the season to now , you can see the differences are pretty clear.

And I hope he continues to expand on that.

But when he asks Watson to drop back , stand in the pocket and throw deep routes into a two deep shell , that's just asking to go 3 and out. (Particularly Carolina).

This is stubborn OB and I hope stubborn OB goes away and never comes back.

 

[Corrosion]

You just described every coach in the NFL. You should visit various teams message boards. There are post complaining about everyone of those issues. Teams we played were I've seen this: Raiders, Colts, Chiefs, Falcons, Chargers, Jags, Panthers........

Here , some educational reading ….

Poll: How Has Bill O’Brien Done As Head Coach Of The Houston Texans?

Let’s look at the stats and see.

www.battleredblog.com

Digging deeper into the most important stat, the wins and losses, we find that the O’Brien-led Texans are 16-31 against teams with a record above .500, which clocks in at a .340 winning percentage for OB against winning teams.

TIER 1 (>70.0 Total QBR - The "Cream of the Crop, Best of the-What?!" Class): Record vs. Tier 1 level QBs: 1-5

Andy Dalton - 72.5 in 2015END. BLEEPING. LIST.Summary: The Red Rifle?! Put some respect on that man's name! Making Katy proud!Conclusion: Andy Dalton is the only quarterback Bill O'Brien has EVER beaten with a QBR over 70 for that particular season in which he won. Andy. Freakin'. Dalton.

houston.sportsmap.com

TIER 1 (>70.0 Total QBR - The "Cream of the Crop, Best of the-What?!" Class): Record vs. Tier 1 level QBs: 1-5


Andy Dalton - 72.5 in 2015

END. BLEEPING. LIST.

Summary: The Red Rifle?! Put some respect on that man's name! Making Katy proud!

Conclusion: Andy Dalton is the only quarterback Bill O'Brien has EVER beaten with a QBR over 70 for that particular season in which he won. Andy. Freakin'. Dalton

 

[Mr.Scarface]

Here , some educational reading ….

Poll: How Has Bill O’Brien Done As Head Coach Of The Houston Texans?

Let’s look at the stats and see.

www.battleredblog.com

TIER 1 (>70.0 Total QBR - The "Cream of the Crop, Best of the-What?!" Class): Record vs. Tier 1 level QBs: 1-5

Andy Dalton - 72.5 in 2015END. BLEEPING. LIST.Summary: The Red Rifle?! Put some respect on that man's name! Making Katy proud!Conclusion: Andy Dalton is the only quarterback Bill O'Brien has EVER beaten with a QBR over 70 for that particular season in which he won. Andy. Freakin'. Dalton.

houston.sportsmap.com

Bill O'Brien's record with Deshaun Watson starting at QB: 20-13. Since B'OB had **** at QB before Watson (You can blame that on Rick Smith), His record before that doesn't really matter. Although he won 2 division titles with those **** QBs.

QB driven league.

This year against top level QBs.

Saints game......Watson gave the Texans the lead until Romeo called that defense and Colvin didn't play it right.

Beat the Chargers, Beat the Chiefs, Beat the Falcons. Hmmm....What is the difference, having Deshaun Watson.

They have not played the Steelers or Ravens (changes in a week and half) with Deshaun Watson. Pats are the Pats....almost won 2 games against them with Watson. O'Brien did give them a scare in that playoff game until Brock **** the bed.

Finally get the Pats at home, with Watson. Let's see what happens.

Slant the number however you want, but the fact is he won 3 division titles in 5 years. Yes, they lost in the divisional round. Yes, Conner Cook was at QB for a Wild Card.....but the Texans had BROCK at QB.....come on, now. Brian Hoyer???? LOL.

Fact, Deshaun Watson played 1 playoff game and lost (he had a bad game). How about let's see what they do in his 2nd chance at a playoff game.

Having **** at QB against ELITE QBs, yeah, you are going to lose most of those games. BTW, RAC is the defensive coach.....just saying.



Numbers lie....in both ways...don't they.

 

[Corrosion]

Bill O'Brien's record with Deshaun Watson starting at QB: 20-13. Since B'OB had **** at QB before Watson (You can blame that on Rick Smith), His record before that doesn't really matter. Although he won 2 division titles with those **** QBs.

QB driven league.

This year against top level QBs.

Saints game......Watson gave the Texans the lead until Romeo called that defense and Colvin didn't play it right.

Beat the Chargers, Beat the Chiefs, Beat the Falcons. Hmmm....What is the difference, having Deshaun Watson.

They have not played the Steelers or Ravens (changes in a week and half) with Deshaun Watson. Pats are the Pats....almost won 2 games against them with Watson. O'Brien did give them a scare in that playoff game until Brock **** the bed.

Finally get the Pats at home, with Watson. Let's see what happens.

Slant the number however you want, but the fact is he won 3 division titles in 5 years. Yes, they lost in the divisional round. Yes, Conner Cook was at QB for a Wild Card.....but the Texans had BROCK at QB.....come on, now. Brian Hoyer???? LOL.

Fact, Deshaun Watson played 1 playoff game and lost (he had a bad game). How about let's see what they do in his 2nd chance at a playoff game.

Numbers lie....in both ways...don't they.

What's OB's record against .500 or better teams - With Watson.


Really - what's your point ?!

 

[Mr.Scarface]

What's OB's record against .500 or better teams - With Watson.


Really - what's your point ?!

This year? 2-2. It doesn't who you beat until the Playoffs. Just ask the Patriots, who load up on under .500 teams (basically their division) to get home field every year.

Does Bill need a better record than 1-3 in the Playoffs? Absolutely. Kubiak wasn't great here in the playoffs....got as far as B'OB did with the Texans. He had to go to Denver for his superbowl.

Any numbers without Watson are meaningless to this season. Let's see how the Texans' perform in these next 3 games. You will have MUCH ammunition if things don't go well.