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FIRE O'BRIEN NOW!!!
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Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
All in baby! We still have the 2022 and 2023 picks to deal!! Or what all of a sudden NOW people are going to have a conscience when it comes to the draft? LOL
Chris Harris/Patrick Peterson >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gareon Conley
Giving away 3rd rounders for backups and projects is not winning football. Saying that THIS regime is capable of coaching up and reviving careers is a stretch.
Just like with Tunsil being supposedly "ready" and a no brainer for 2 firsts, if all it really took was an extra 1st to get either of the better CBs rumored to be available then it was a miss on the Texans part.
Everything these boys do is reactionary. They MUST overspend to get true blue chips. They cant draft and develop (until Gaine gave them their first good draft only to get fired LOL) and somehow O'Brien will take credit for last years draft, and will wash his hands of any draft with Rick SMith the Ruler since poor O'Brien NEVER HAD ANY INPUT while he was GM ... LMAOOOOOO!!!
It is what it is .. hopefully they keep finding more ways to win than to lose. Someday we'll have a competent team in all phases, at the same time maybe another 20 years with O'Brien is "all" it will take!
banned1976
sleeper mode
There are big question marks concerning the intermediate future of this team. They’ve made big trades out of desperation, all of which could have been avoided prior to the 2019 draft. That has been my biggest concern. It’s not the talent they traded to obtain, it’s the circumstances and cost behind those trades.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
You mean like a consistent pattern of managerial ineptitude?? Those gaffes get rewarded around here!! Shoot wont be long before O'Brien swindles Cal McNair for a decade long contract like Chucky got with OAK. You'll see.
Future firsts are firsts, bit they dont count as 1sts. 2021 1sts counts as a 2nd. 2022 1st counts as a third.
I have no problem dealing a 2022 1st of Denver will take it.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Depreciation is at play I get it.
I've run into some people/reports who say that the TExans DID in fact kick tires on Chris Harris, but they viewed the asking price as "too high" ... and in those same conversations it is said that Houston had the highest offer for OAK in regards to Conley, so it makes me wonder could he have been had for a 4th round pick?
Hated the Roby pickup - still not 100% on him, especially for the price and probable future contract, but he's turned out to be serviceable, I wouldnt pay more than 10M per season for his services and feel he can be easily replaced next year - at least there is still contractual control over Conley as we wait for his all pro talents to blossom and explode with our coaching staff.
Tweet from @nfldraftscout: I've mentioned these names on @sticktofootball lately, but 6 HC candidates I'm intrigued by:
49ers DC Robert Saleh
Saints OC Pete Carmichael
Saints Asst HC Dan Campbell
49ers RGC Mike McDaniel
Vikings Asst HC Gary Kubiak
Jaguars OC John DeFilippo
49ers DC Robert Saleh
Saints OC Pete Carmichael
Saints Asst HC Dan Campbell
49ers RGC Mike McDaniel
Vikings Asst HC Gary Kubiak
Jaguars OC John DeFilippo
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Kubiak Haters:
No hate here.
We just saw 8 yrs of evidence that the Texans org certainly needs to go in a different direction. BTW, Kubiak wouldn't take the HC job here again to begin with. But I find it funny and dont understand why fans here are clamoring for Kubiak and his .500 record to comeback. Crazy stuff,
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You say scary, I say brilliance....
Miami could have had four... OB only gave up two....... extend the man!
I don't want Kubes back.... but I DID prefer the mediocrity of the Kubiak era over the OB era of mediocrity.
I'd rather try someone else though as Im not sure if you reverse the eras if Im not more sick of the Kubes era than the OB era. I DO believe that Kubes could do more with Watson.... but hiw much more is most likely marginal at best.
As much as I rag on both men as mediocre as HC I have nothing personally against either man snd wish them the best.... but I will do the dance of joy the moment that OB either proves his supporters correct... or is gone from NRG.... just as I did with Kubes.
I'd rather try someone else though as Im not sure if you reverse the eras if Im not more sick of the Kubes era than the OB era. I DO believe that Kubes could do more with Watson.... but hiw much more is most likely marginal at best.
As much as I rag on both men as mediocre as HC I have nothing personally against either man snd wish them the best.... but I will do the dance of joy the moment that OB either proves his supporters correct... or is gone from NRG.... just as I did with Kubes.
Man I don't know about the NFL rule on that - the NBA rule is 7 years in the future but you have to make a selection every other year but the NBA draft is a totally different thing.
They should have fired Tricky Rick instead of Kubiak - It was Rick who wouldn't go get a QB , it was Rick who gave Schaub that extension after the injury against the better judgement of Kubiak which also cost them the ability to sign Peyton Manning who wanted to come here and play in Gary's offense. It was Rick that gave us the clowncar load of Just a guy QB's post Schaub and that would have continued until the mandate came down from McNair himself "Quit screwing around and Go Get A Quarterback."
It was the QB position that led to that 2-14 season that got Gary fired - Schaub was broken beyond repair - how many games in a row did he throw a pick six ? They were a QB injury away from a trip to the superbowl the year before and OB inherited pretty much that same squad.
I'd take Gary and his offense over this thing OB calls an offense …. all day every day and twice on Sunday's.
Imagine Watson in that scheme ….
Texansballer74
The Marine
Lol here we go again smh.
Going down the only road we've ever known?
Bob McNair (rest his soul) should have done a better job of getting them on the same page. Then when he brought BO'b in he should have done a better job of getting them on the same page. We're not winning with the level of dysfunction we've seen at the top of this organization.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Doubt it.
Your brilliant sir. Thank you.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
I noticed you didnt mention O'Brien for clock management?
You just don't have the insight that some much closer to the situation did …. The wrong guy was sent out the door.
Rick Smith's philosophy on the QB position is contrary to that of the entire league and the vast majority of fans. Just a guy will do.
I think we've all learned that to be a complete and total fallacy.
He didn't like to part with draft picks or anything else to solve the problem at that position - pick you a guy in rounds 4-7 and coach'em up & pick up all the UDFA's you want was as good as it got for Kubiak or OB until McNair stepped in and forced the issue which resulted in Watson.
They only drafted 3 QB's in the 10 year period Smith ran the draft - Tom Savage 135 TJ Yates 152 and Alex Brink 223 - 4 if you include Watson.
That team doesn't go 2-14 with any decent play at the QB position - that same team turned around and went 9-7 in year one of OB. Schaub was broken - Doc warned us , Kubiak warned Smith who gave him a fat extension anyway.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
" ...four if you include Watson..."
Why wouldn't you.
For instance, he may have really liked this kid or he may have received "instructions".
Texansballer74
The Marine
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Seems that way.
For mine, I think OB would have had his eye on Mahomes instead. But we know what happened there.
And to think some around these parts think RS was a competent GM.
BOB took over an aging team with the anvil that was RS making the calls.
The Texans org got what they deserved for making the decisions they made and I certainly think Gary got run out of town unfairly and was treated badly. Sad thing is RS tried to do the same thing to BOB.
It wasn't aging. It was a top ten ol (three of which are still in the nfl playing at or near a pro bowl level) plus had Hopkins and Watt which O'Brien is STILL overly reliant on
First, how can you NOT include Watson??? Folks who claim to be "in the know" all say O'Brien wanted Mahomes.
Second, (and maybe this should be first), who should Smith have drafted that we missed out on from 2007 up until Watson?? And what are they doing now? I recall some folks wanting Teddy Two-Gloves Bridgewater and some wanted Jimmy G. But who else?
He "received instructions" directly from McNair - Go get a quarterback.
I was simply giving you the draft history at the position that supports my statement of his philosophy on the importance of the position.
Three quarterbacks drafted in a decade , none higher than #135 when the last 3-4 years of that time the best you had at the position was Keenum , The Blundering Wizard of Oz , FitzTragic or Hoyerable.
Watson has made you guys forget the pathetic play this team got at the QB position from the time Schaub was injured until Watson showed up on our doorsteps.
I have it from a very good source that Tricky Rick and OB both preferred Mahomes and that OB didn't want Watson at all ….
TBH I don't believe it would have mattered which one he got.
You miss the point.
He went a full decade and drafted only 3 QB's , none higher than #135 including the post Schaub years when they had literally Just A Guy at the position.
It took that mandate from ownership to force him to make the Watson pick - otherwise we'd probably still be starting some dude off the scrap heap.
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I didn't mention Mahomes as its really a moot point to the conversation - Yes , OB and Smith both preferred Mahomes - OB didn't like Watson at all. With the mandate from McNair they were left with little choice but picking Watson.
I have mentioned this before ….
You had a healthy Schaub up until November of 2011. Really there was no dire need to use top draft capital from 07 up to that point , but from 2012 thru 2017 there's a significant need and the only investment made in the position during that time was Tom Savage at #135.. They drafted no other QB's between him and Watson.
Re- No QB's drafted in 15 or 16.
2012 being the first year of need at the position and picking 26th , they didn't have much of a shot at Luck or RG3 and really no one had Wilson on the radar.
2013 was a poor draft for QB needy teams EJ Manuel and Geno Smith - just no talent to be had there.
2014 was the year you had lots of options and the #1 pick which should have been parlayed into multiple picks. Bortles was a solid prospect that just didn't work out , Manziel was crazy but could play football , maybe in a different situation things are different ? Teddy needed seasoning but is a pretty solid QB now , HHWNBMV2.0 - No one wanted to deal with Daddy again but he's been good at times with a very poor team around him , Garoppolo was a good fit
Wasn't much talent in the 2015 draft beyond Winston and Mariota. Maybe take a shot at Hundley
2016 Goff , Wentz , Hackenberg , Brissett , Kessler , Cook , Dak.
They never showed any sense of urgency to fix the most important position in the entirety of professional sports. Never a trade up , never took a flyer on a second tier guy. Just kept recycling guys off the scrap heap. Just a guy will do - that was the philosophy.
You cant find and develop Brady , Wilson or Dak if you don't use some draft capital on them and not doing so when you have a glaring hole at the position for a 5 year period is just silly.
How much longer did Myers/ W. Smith/AJ/Foster/OD etc... play after Kubiak left town?
2 seasons ?
That's the definition of an aging team.
Great post,
The facts are in the numbers.
BOB wanted RS to trade an extra 3rd for Mahomes and RS wouldn't do it. Just another sign of what was a dysfunctional org. In typical RS fashion he didn't get his HC the QB he wanted for the 2nd time since BOB was hired. Rumors at the time were that BOB wanted Jimmy G and BB out smarted RS and moved up and took Jimmy G.
The next draft RS moved up and picked McKinney/WFV etc... so apparently RS learned something.
I'm just glad we dont have this dysfunction within the org anymore.
All teams have some old players.
OBrien gets excuses for normal things every coach deals with
Your obsession runs deep.
I cant take you seriously because you don't know what throwing a guy open means.
This means 1 of 2 things.
1. You aren't near as smart as you think you are.
2. You're a troll
Texansballer74
The Marine
Matt just went 12-4 and 10-6. So why wouldn't we extend him. Plus he was Kubiak's boy.
I wish we could actually have someone on here that actually played or was apart of the coaching tree back then
I wish we could actually have someone on here that actually played or was apart of the coaching tree back then
Yep, well said.
The legacy of Bob McNair is a corporate boardroom mentality for running this franchise, instead of the traditional (and proven) power hierarchy of owner>GM>HC.
I think this structure will haunt this organization for years to come because it allowed a egocentric HC without a clear vision seize control of so many aspects of football operations. Untangling this mess will set this franchise back if O'Brien is unable to consistently compete for championships.
I have seen absolutely nothing from Cal that would suggest that he's got what it takes to not only understand the fundamental problems but also know how to solve them.
Look , my information comes from the horses mouth …. It gets no closer than that.
Kubiak didn't want to extend Schaub because of the nature of the injury. He knew that Schaub was damaged goods and had Peyton Manning in his back pocket.
I knew what it meant, but people were saying that Deshaun Watson "can't throw guys open" so I wanted their definition because he clearly can
Sad. What could have been.
Not many guys can …. Rodgers , Brees , Brady , Manning , Mahomes ….
That type of anticipation and accuracy isn't really Watson's strength.
Watson has his own set of skills and needs a coach who's going to take advantage of them , not pigeon hole him into an offense that doesn't suit him.
You give OB Mahomes …. he'd screw him up too because he's just so damn inflexible.
You cant fit a square peg into a round hole.
We have a guy that was an insider back then trying to tell you how things went down.
I remember when some on this MB said there was no dysfunction within the Texans org.
They should've cleaned house when Kubiak was fired and should've cleaned house when RS exited Kirby.
I don't know that was his philosophy. Far as I know his QB philosophy could have been like mine. Just because everyone else thinks a guy is 1st round material doesn't mean he's first round material.
Of all the QBs I wished we drafted since 2007, I don't think any of them were drafted in the first.
We "should" have drafted Wilson, Foles, Cousins... but I also think Kubiak could have coached Keenum to "Schaub-like" success, if he wanted to. But by the we got to it, he didn't want to & that's a fireable offense.
But when you see that special guy, you go get him. RGIII, Jared Goff, Andrew Luck whoever, if you think he's the one, go get him. But if you're not feeling it, don't.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
As I recall, the scouting report on Watson was roughly:
- average to weak arm
-spread offense qb who will have trouble adapting to an nfl offense
- great character and team leader
-has ice water in his veins and no stage is to big for him
In the draft, I actually had my eyes on mahomes for the Texans. I'd read the scouting reports on him. I didn't know he'd be great, I just assumed Watson would be long gone by the time we picked and mahomes was projected by many to be there when we picked.
Is throwing someone open actually a thing or is it just anticipation? I feel like it's just gauging speed, leverage, and timing. I think we all know the window for an open reciever is much smaller in the nfl then it is in college. A crossing route might only be open for a half second. Maybe it takes 3 seconds before that opening? Where is the wr in Watson's progression? Does the ol allow that much time?
I think an efficient nfl passing game is infinitely more complex then people realize. What's the hot read in the event of a blitz? Does the same passing play have a route designed to beat man coverage and a route designed to beat zone coverage? Are the progressions or QB reads concrete or flexible based on the defense?
Throughout 12 yrs there were several chances to get QB's and RS didn't.
For that alone he should've been fired. Not to mention his draft record in rds 2-4.
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