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Perhaps OB has found a scheme that works.He was today.
Hope he can do this consistently.
QBs who are foot happy and like to run don't last in today's NFL. I'm glad that Watson is athletic enough to squirm out of situations and make something happen, it's a rare gift. But, if you combine that with deliberately called QB running plays your starting QB will have a much shorter life span in the NFL.
This is the most potent post I've seen in a while. We got the jock sniffers but seriously at some point that magic will run dry or Injury settles in. Love the kid but two below doesnt last in the league. Hes gonna take a shot or hurt himselfBest case for this franchise is that OB is gone after this year and we get to see Watson with another HC/OC and different system that better utilizes his talents.
Worst case is OB stays , we hand Watson the 180M over 5 years and it turns out that he is only good off script.
I don't want to be the team that pays for Tom Brady and gets Matt Stafford.
Lol. Color me a jock sniffer than because if you think his magic will run dry you’re not paying attention. He’s improving in every conceivable way as time goes on.This is the most potent post I've seen in a while. We got the jock sniffers but seriously at some point that magic will run dry or Injury settles in. Love the kid but two below doesnt last in the league. Hes gonna take a shot or hurt himself
Lol. Color me a jock sniffer than because if you think his magic will run dry you’re not paying attention. He’s improving in every conceivable way as time goes on.
Lol. Color me a jock sniffer than because if you think his magic will run dry you’re not paying attention. He’s improving in every conceivable way as time goes on.
Lamar Jackson has a nice little streak going. I would take Watson easily though. He's a better QB.Let’s be honest here. Whose playing better than Watson in the Afc? (Offense) I cant think of anyone.
Let’s be honest here. Whose playing better than Watson in the Afc? (Offense) I cant think of anyone.
Russell Wilson is very possibly playing the best ball of his career right now. Christian McCaffrey is carrying his team right now and keeping them in contention. Lamar Jackson is turning into a legitimate QB before our eyes and is having a helluva season. I think the MVP comes down to those three plus Watson. Watson's two clunkers hurt him in a bit in the season-long view, as do Jackson's. Wilson has been nails all season, as has been McCaffrey. MVP is now MVQ, I guess, so it apparently doesn't matter what CMC does.
The rules have changed so much in favor of protecting the QB that I think athletic QBs will have longevity in this modern league.
They are also learning how to avoid hits and slide to their advantage, as well.
And have you noticed how many plays are ending without tackles lately? The defense stops forward momentum of the ball carrier and refs blow the whistle before anyone is brought to the ground. I see it happen in just about every game. This comes from the no-contact practices from the last CBA, so they play like they practice. It will probably become more prevalent in the coming years.
I don't know about "top 5" metrics (they seem to vary from person to person), but I can say that Deshaun is on my list of five QBs I'd choose if I was starting a team. Personally, it's a short list with Watson, Wilson and Mahomes at this point.
Good point. To add the o line is getting better as well and we are seeing more and more of Watson comfy in the pocket making all the reads he needs too. I usually get worried for mobile QBs but I can see him evolving to Russ Wilson. Russ is NEVER hurt and plays very smart when his o line is playing poorly. Watson is getting smarter, making better decisions and I have all the confidence that with a solid line in front him he will be able to make the magic plays while not tearing up his body.
I'm not real worried about Watson getting hurt scrambling - Since that punctured lung in his rookie year - He's learned to avoid those hits. He's been real smart about getting down or out of bounds before he takes a hit.
He's much more apt to get injured in the pocket surrounded by 300lb+ behemoths than anything else.
Just look at how Mahomes got hurt …. a seemingly routine play in a big pile of bodies , same kinda play got Schaub.
If OB continues to put him in situations like he did against the Jags …. this team will win a whole lot of games and Watson is likely the MVP.
Seriously - OB is Watson's biggest hurdle …. asking him to stand in the pocket and chuck it just isn't getting the best out of him. I hope we never see that gameplan again.
. Looks like BOB said screw it I agree with Corrosion and I'm going to call plays that gives Watson the opportunity to make plays off schedule.
Can you argue with the results ?
Nope, but your putting your QB in harms way.
Take last game and look at how many plays Watson has made outside the pocket and how much Watson has been using his feet to make those plays. This has been going on since the Atlanta game and the offense has looked much better. IMHO
Lots of Watson making throws outside the pocket/RPO's/Watson running with the ball.
He's less likely to hurt that knee out in space than he is with all those big bodies around him …. that's a fact and I bet @CloakNNNdagger will back that statement.
He's also been much more selective about when he takes on a defender … or gets down before taking a hit. He ran the ball 7 times in the second Jags game and didn't take a hit on any of them.
Injury is the least of my concerns with Watson - What I'm looking at is the understanding of what these defenses are trying to do and how he processes that in real time - deciding where to go with the ball.
Do we want a QB who must have a impervious OL to sit back there and pick defences apart and be a statue, or one who can take off if the line crumbles and make accurate passes on the run?This is the most potent post I've seen in a while. We got the jock sniffers but seriously at some point that magic will run dry or Injury settles in. Love the kid but two below doesnt last in the league. Hes gonna take a shot or hurt himself
Lol man I must have been tipsy posting that.Do we want a QB who must have a impervious OL to sit back there and pick defences apart and be a statue, or one who can take off if the line crumbles and make accurate passes on the run?
Football players get hurt in this league including QBs.
An olineman could step on his foot and cause a linsfranc and there goes the magic.
You live with what you got and try to improve.
CnD posted an excellent article on mobile QBs above. It makes interesting reading.
The gist of it is that mobile QBs are probably less likely to have injuries like Russell Wilson for example.
Worth the read.
Can you argue with the results ?
Lots of Watson making throws outside the pocket/RPO's/Watson running with the ball.
Wilson is a relatively poor example. He is built like a RB........huge lower and upper body musculature. As far as Lisfranc, a recent example was Cam Newton scrambling in the backfield, jumping up and coming down leaning forward down on his toesDo we want a QB who must have a impervious OL to sit back there and pick defences apart and be a statue, or one who can take off if the line crumbles and make accurate passes on the run?
Football players get hurt in this league including QBs.
An olineman could step on his foot and cause a linsfranc and there goes the magic.
You live with what you got and try to improve.
CnD posted an excellent article on mobile QBs above. It makes interesting reading.
The gist of it is that mobile QBs are probably less likely to have injuries like Russell Wilson for example.
Worth the read.
Do we want a QB who must have a impervious OL to sit back there and pick defences apart and be a statue, or one who can take off if the line crumbles and make accurate passes on the run?
Football players get hurt in this league including QBs.
An olineman could step on his foot and cause a linsfranc and there goes the magic.
You live with what you got and try to improve.
CnD posted an excellent article on mobile QBs above. It makes interesting reading.
The gist of it is that mobile QBs are probably less likely to have injuries like Russell Wilson for example.
Worth the read.
Can't argue with the results, but he will anyway.
I wonder if we have been watching the same games. Watson makes more throws from inside the pocket than before, with more timing routes and quick throws. He also gets better protection, and I see him settling into the pocket more often with time to scan the field. Most of his throws outside the pocket are designed rollouts to help an injured oline.
There are more RPO's for sure, especially in goal to go and short yardage situations.
Not sure if he is running the ball more or less, but he is running it smarter and taking the yardage before sliding or getting out of bounds. In either case, he is MUCH smarter with his body, and using his head to beat defenses more than before.
And he is doing it all while calling plays through the EP system.
We want a QB that runs as a last resort after he's gone through his progressions.
Funny how Brady/Brees/Manning lasted almost 2 decades and stayed relatively healthy playing this way. Heck, Doug Willis did the same thing if you want to stick with the black QB theme
You just described Romo........he had sustained ALL those injuries you listed.QBs in the pocket get hits in the lower extremities, broken clavicles/separated shoulders, broken hands/injured digits, and concussions. QBs in the open field with good vision (i.e., any of them that are good) are not as susceptible to injuries as RBs, WRs, TEs, or linemen simply because the coverage is already downfield, so they have space to manuever, and the rules are skewed to protect them. RBs don't get to slide, for example. So yeah, an injury can happen on any play, but a sitting duck in the pocket is more prone to take a vicious hit than one who is operating in space and able to get down or out of bounds.
BTW, Cunningham's knee injury happened because he was trying to adhere to his coach's mandate and stay in the pocket. He's said it many times.
I dont think any one disagrees that we would rather see Watson run less...or at least protect his body when he does.
Ill see your Brady/Brees/Manning and raise you a Staubach/Elway/Tarkenton. Scrambling QBs can have longevity if they are smart...and a little lucky.
They all ran as a last resort.
What did Lckman and Y.A. Tittle do?
After they gained experience, yes, I totally agree...they ran as a last resort.
Elway and Young did a lot of running in their first few years as they were learning to see the field. I think we are seeing the same with Watson (not comparing his ability to HOFers...just the situation).
My expectation is that there will be fewer designed runs and the RPOs will dwindle as Watson gains more experience, the oline stabilizes and the entire offense matures. Already we have seen the beginning this year.
I feel that you are comparing a young QB to HOF vets in their prime. Not a fair comparison.
I get all that, but DW4 is not a stick either.Wilson is a relatively poor example. He is built like a RB........huge lower and upper body musculature. As far as Lisfranc, a recent example was Cam Newton scrambling in the backfield, jumping up and coming down leaning forward down on his toes
The oline is stabilized because of the scheme. Getting the ball out quicker, and getting Watson out the pocket has help this entire offensive unit out.
There are lots of college scrambling QBs that due to injuries never see the NFL. There is little doubt that most QBs coming into the NFL as scrambling QBs, as time goes on, tether their running tendencies in order to preserve longevity.
The OL has stabilized.
I get what you're saying, but I'm comparing styles of play. Rivers/Eli/Big Ben may be better examples.