Their big trade was to get Tunsil to protect Watson.
If they can't add 3 players in next yrs draft, having the 2nd,two 3rds and 4-1 then we can talk. I'm betting they can.
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Their big trade was to get Tunsil to protect Watson.
If they can't add 3 players in next yrs draft, having the 2nd,two 3rds and 4-1 then we can talk. I'm betting they can.
Are you saying he played at an elite level last year? I don't care what the stats say he didn't play at an elite level last yr in the EP and has been very inconsistent this yr. Fortunately they changed the offense to suit Watson'so obvious talents.
Texansballer74
The Marine
What does that have to do with knowing the system. He ran it pretty good last season. And a lot of ex ballers will attest to that.
The entire team has been inconsistent, mainly because of coaching. Especially on the offensive side. Not having the much needed reps in preseason as a complete unit will hurt certain teams. Year six and coach still doesn't understand the adverse effects it has on his team.
This is something I believe you should know. But then again Obrien gets a pass right.
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The track record in getting 3 starters in one draft with limited picks isn't good
It's a combo of BOB not putting Watson in a chance to succeed and Watson holding the ball and lacking accuracy. The new offense takes away the thinking because it makes Watson get rid of the ball and he better understands where to go with the ball because this offense comes 2nd nature to him.
Totally agree with you on BOB not using preseason correctly.
Under RS you would be correct.
Under Gaine you would be incorrect.
Under BOB we will see.
Under RS you would be correct.
Under Gaine you would be incorrect.
Under BOB we will see.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Out of the last two drafts only Reid is a good starter so far
Disagree, I think Reid/Akins are doing well and Course has potential. I expect the 2021 draft to look alot like the 2018 draft.
Howard/Scharping are part of a very improved OL. Lonnie Johnson starts or plays starters reps a d hasn't been terrible. His hammy worries me though.
Akins isn't starting because he can't block. He had 10 receptions for 157 yards. He'll be a situational receiver
badboy
Hall of Fame
Could O'Brien have been occasionally making recommendations to the OC?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Between plays, only one set of dedicated channel 2-way headsets can be turned on to communicate with the QB, and no other headset can be activated to communicate with either of those head sets until the play resumes and the QB headset is turned off.
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powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Disagree.
This team has issues due to strategies and coaching, not talent. Give this same team to Kubiak , if he can fix his strategies (turtle with a lead), would be a multiple SB winner.
Kubiak struggled with strategy. Go all conservative with a lead, etc. OB struggles with basic play design. He couldn't scheme an NFL roster to compete with a DIV II college team.
Who else has been a good starter? Most of the picks don't even start
And to be clear, that's just how drafts go. Most don't become good starters. The Texans are the same as any other team.
Expecting 3 starters out of one draft is unrealistic. Expecting it in drafts without first and/or second round picks is even moreso
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Kdog is going to complain no matter what . Beyonce can't cook and he doesn't like her BJ .
Too early to pull this out. We were 2-3 this time last year & ended 11-5. We don't know who is good yet... Chargers will probably finish with 10 wins.
Streelb is the one who calls Watson middling and stupid but also thinks these young guys who actually have been middling on the field will lead us to the super bowl. Or something.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
OK ... my opinion is the offense is set and Watson is a potential MVP candidate . Watson is like what they said about Dan Marino and Oliver Luck . Luck is a Rhode scholar candidate until he's on the field , then Marino becomes Einstein .
The defense is a work in progress but they are still in the hunt .
Unfortunately this same stat plays out throughout OBs tenure. It's not a year to year thing.
I agree on Watson. Hopkins is still a pro bowl talent. Fuller and Tunsil have pro bowl potential. Duke can be very good if used properly. The have good role players at the skill positions. I don't know if it's a super bowl unit yet but it's a good core.
You'll fit in just fine around here.
There you go with that crystal ball again. After 3 years? How long Watson been here?
In the proper offense Watson isn't middling and he makes quicker decisions. Hardly stupid, BOB should only have him doing things he's good at and the EP system ain't 1 of those things
3 years
3 years, a d yes, I like to predict what's going to happen before it happens, unlike some around here who only say I told you so after the fact.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Well, technically, one full year and about two half-years so far. Not 3 full years. As of right now he has two years experience as an NFL QB.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Well, I did, and that's great if we were playing the Falcons in week 3, as that article was written September 16th.
True, but he's been in the system 3 yrs
That's another thing that is missed in this conversation. Number of games played. Watson has played in 28 NFL games. Not even 2 full seasons of game experience. After three season, Peyton Manning threw 58 INTs and Tom Brady threw 38 INTs. Young QBs are prone to making mistakes, having bad games and having bouts of inconsistent play.
During Mahomes first preseason, the Chiefs were worried about his turnovers. Reid revised his WCO by implementing plays and concepts from the Texas Tech playbook, threw out the plays Mahomes wasn't comfortable with and the rest is history. Mahomes was drafted by one of the greatest offensive minds in NFL history and that has helped him avoid some of the inconsistencies and bad play that plagues young QBs.
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badboy
Hall of Fame
Interesting as I thought the quarterback headset could receive and transmit to only one headset on sideline. I thought all headsets on sideline could interact with other headsets on sidelines including those in upstairs booth.
Don't forget that Mahomes was in the KC QB room for his entire rookie year and watched Alex Smith run the offense. I think he learned what the offense was designed to do during that year of watching and learning.
Watson had exactly one half of "real" football before being tossed into action.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Savage was in the EP system for three years yet Watson passed him his first year.
interesting.
Watson has about a billion times more talent than Savage had. LOL
But is savage smart?
Texansballer74
The Marine
Savage was in the EP system for three years yet Watson passed him his first year.
interesting.
Bwhahaha actually 4 years I believe.
badboy
Hall of Fame
expecting no
But it is possible. I would use my current mock draft for 2020 as an example of a possibility.
Round 2 Shyhiem Carter starts after Roby leaves. Even more likely starts opposite Reed at safety.
Round 3 Kenny Willekes start as an outside linebacker.
Round 3B cornerback Bryce Hall replaces Jonathan Joseph.
Here's where it gets interesting if these next two players come out as non-seniors which is possible if not probable due to NFL need at their positions.
4.101 LT Samuel Cosmo starts LG Scharping starts at Right Guard and Howard right tackle.
4b. CB Chase Lucas takes over from FA Roby 2018: 62 Ts 6 for loss, 2 sacks, 5 PBU 3 INTs. 6 ' 175 4.49
Not likely but possible
Texansballer74
The Marine
I remember somebody was all hyped up about Savage starting. Thought he was going to be the savior. Kept saying he knows the playbook through and through. Oh how wrong they were on that one. Just like they're wrong about Watson.
badboy
Hall of Fame
You tall and ugly that's all..
Man, if I hated puns, you'd be Mercilus
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
Tytus and Max are definite upgrades and could start on multiple NFL teams and they seem to be trending better. Lonnie looks like a starter. Do you mean pro bowl players or legit NFL starters. Charles O looks like he could start if we were not so deep on DL. Akins I can see not being legit as he is more receiver then blocker and QT has been oft injured but seems a real slot player when healthy. We blow picks for sure, but 2019 looks solid and 2018 was not very deep because missing top rounds. I suspect Warring will be our typical blown 3rd rounder now. Hope he gets it and proves us wrong
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
What's your take on Watson?
It's too early for a lot of those guys, and to me a few good plays isn't enough to say they're starter quality
But also let's remember that they drafted 14 guys the last 2 years. Even if the guys you mentioned pan out, that's still a lot of guys who don't.
That's true for every team, not a criticism of the Texans
My point is with missing high picks it's going to be even harder to find guys who contribute over the next two years, so they need to win now, additionally because Watson and tunsil will be off their cheap rookie deals next year
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
Kdog, it's pretty clear even nationally now that the OL picks will work out. Picks like 4-7 are usually depth and Kalambayi, Gillespia are ST studs and have some back up roles, you are lucky if you hit starters there. Your 5-7 picks are not even with the drafting team 2/3 of the time by year 3. Lonnie I need to see more, we were so bad he is playing. He is better then Colvin which is not saying a lot yet.
I think the major point in this thread is that folks who did not like the Tunsil deal have to say what they would have done at the time. They finally saw they can no longer get DW4 killed, camp was breaking so they mismanaged to that point in time, and they knew the tackle situation was not going to cut it. Texans has been saving that cap, and now they have to bleed it early, but basically you get the proven guy and pay early, probably better then any FA and DW4 MAY give you a small break in his deal this offseason as you finally protected him. I agree this is not the NBA and the rookie deals on some young studs is needed, so this has to be an exception not the norm
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
I want to clarify something. The coach's headset is 2-way.........the QB headset is 1-way (he can hear, but cannot respond except by hand signals). The QB's headset is turned on once a game official has signaled a down to be over.....................it is cut off when the ball is snapped or when the play clock runs down to 15 seconds. During QB communications, the QB's headset is set only to the QB's uniquely pre-designated channel with the coach (the coach can still hear communications from other coaches, but the QB can't hear these side communications). Interesting to note is that in the CFL, the QB's headset can be connected to communicate with a coach up in the booth instead of on the sideline if desired.
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I think it's too early on Tytus and Max otherwise I agree with you on the draft.
So we have mostly 4-7 coming up and as you said that's often just special teams depth and gone by year 3
Tytus and Max were first and second round picks. We only have one of those the next two years.
Which is a problem in terms of improving the team, but even more because we have a lot of impending free agents and extensions too
As far as ol I would have gotten Dillard and Nsekhe as I have said before. And by scrapping O'Briens EP system they would have protected Watson well enough I think. Nsekhe would be a big upgrade at rt though Dillard wouldn't be better than tunsil at this juncture