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Takeaways from the Falcons game.

Earl34 said:
I gave SteelB multiple opportunities to clarify the remark and each time he responded with too stupid to run BOB’s offense.

Since SteelB is never wrong, when Watson has a good game he will post that BOB simplified or changed to a college offense for the idiot QB and when Watson struggles it will be because he’s too stupid to run the full EP playbook.

As a result, I’ll take your advice and put him on ignore.
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Feel free to do whatever you feel is correct.

That doesn't change the fact that the after 3 years Watson still can't fully run the EP system.

I'm glad they we t back to what Watson knows
 
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banned1976 said:
Personally, I agree with SB a lot, I have for years. And honestly I took his remarks about DW too personal. I don’t know why I reacted the way I did, I usually don’t care about such things.

Anyway, I’m over it. My post last night was just meant in jest.
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I think SB just misspoke... instead of "too dumb" he meant 'too ignorant' which may have been true, nothing racial about it
 
John McClain’s Texans vs. Falcons report card

Overall
After scoring only 10 points in last week’s home loss to Carolina, the Texans exploded for 53 to defeat the Atlanta Falcons. Grade: A-plus

Quarterbacks
Deshaun Watson threw for 426 yards and five touchdowns. His perfect rating of 158.3 was the highest of his three-year career. Grade: A-plus

Running backs
Carlos Hyde and Duke Johnson combined for 119 yards rushing on 30 carries and one touchdown. The Texans rushed for 166 yards and averaged 4.9. Grade: B

Receivers/tight ends
Will Fuller had 14 catches for 217 yards and three touchdowns. DeAndre Hopkins added seven for 88. Darren Fells had two touchdowns. Grade: A-plus

Offensive line
Pass protection was outstanding. Watson wasn’t sacked and was hit once. They also did a solid job of run blocking. Grade: A-plus

Defensive line
J.J. Watt and D.J. Reader recorded the only sacks. Watt knocked down Matt Ryan five times. The linemen did an excellent job against the run. Grade: A

Linebackers
Whitney Mercilus had two tackles for loss and a quarterback hit. Benardrick McKinney and Zach Cunningham contributed to the good run defense. Grade: B

Defensive backs
Tashaun Gipson III returned an interception 79 yards for a touchdown. Jahleel Addae came off the bench for a game-high nine unassisted tackles. Grade: C-plus

Special teams
Ka’imi Fairbairn missed two extra points but connected on field goals of 50 and 26 yards. DeAndre Carter fumbled a punt that set up a touchdown. Grade: C

Coaching
Bill O’Brien and his offensive staff got their side of the ball turned around in a week. Improved pass protection set up Watson for his best game. Grade: A
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steelbtexan said:
I noticed where you didn't quite my post in Fire BOB thread where I said stupid was too harsh of a word and said after 3 years Watson still didn't get the EP system and that I was glad BOB went back to the offense Watson did fully understand.

But nice of you trying to paint the picture you believe me be. You couldn't be more wrong.

I wonder why you would leave that post out of all of those posts you quoted?
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Are you talking to me?

I followed a trail to where you said Watson was stupid. That was what Corrosion was looking for. I stopped when I found the post where he asked where you stated that.

Like I said....I was just trying to move past their little back and forth, so I found what he was looking for. I can't help what YOU said in that particular post. You consistently tip toe around saying what you mean. "Just doesn't get it" basically amounts to saying the same thing you were accused of saying. It's just saying it in a different way.....again....tip toe around.

Were you hoping I wouldn't see it so you could feel like you got your "shot" in?
 
Texansballer74 said:
No he's " TOO IGNORANT " to learn OBs made up version of the EP system.

That youngster just showed again that he knows what he's doing out there.

His performances on yesterday was dang near perfect.
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While that game was perfect the question is not if Watson can play a good game, everyone agrees he can do that, its can he do it under Bob's system or does it need to be a custom designed system. Personally I think he does need a designed system but on the flip side who the F cares if he does. In fact even if he doesn't why not design one anyway?

The ultimate goal is to win games and if we are doing that then keep all the players and all the coaches. Very rarely in any sport are people fired when a team is winning because teams tend to think "If it ain't broke don't fix it". Figure out what works best for Watson, and with him the team, use that system no matter what it is and then most people won't care if you built it from the ground up or just adapted someone else's to fit your team. Want to feed your ego then win and everyone will hail you as the smartest man in the room.
 
mws said:
This was a great day for Watson. He scored a "perfect passer rating" of 158.3.

Here is some general info on how QBR is calculated.

In the National Football League (NFL), the highest official passer rating that a quarterback can achieve is 158.3, which is called a "perfect passer rating". To qualify, during a single game a quarterback must attempt at least 10 passes, have zero interceptions, have a minimum completion percentage of 77.5%, have a minimum of 11.88% of their passes score touchdowns, and have a minimum of 12.5 yards per attempt.

Seven quarterbacks have achieved the feat more than once: Ben Roethlisberger and Peyton Manning have four; Kurt Warner has three; and Craig Morton, Dave Krieg, Ken O'Brien, and Tom Brady have two.

D. Watson 28-33 84.8%, 426 YDS, 5 TD, 158.3 QBR

Of course he is 1 of 3 this year. Dak Prescott & Lamar Jackson both did it on opening day.
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Why do I hear the bolded part in Brock Osweilers voice?
 
I'm watching the game again and I can say that in the fourth quarter I see O'Brian with the call sheets in his hand. So he was calling plays at least part of the time. They did not show the sidelines much in this one.
 
mws said:
I'm watching the game again and I can say that in the fourth quarter I see O'Brian with the call sheets in his hand. So he was calling plays at least part of the time. They did not show the sidelines much in this one.
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Sounds like both might have the sheet, can you see if he is sending in the plays? I assume he still is
 
JB said:
I think SB just misspoke... instead of "too dumb" he meant 'too ignorant' which may have been true, nothing racial about it
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I didn’t think it was racial. I just like Watson. I think he’s a swell guy whereas Bill O’Brien is a horses ass.
 
maverick512000 said:
While that game was perfect the question is not if Watson can play a good game, everyone agrees he can do that, its can he do it under Bob's system or does it need to be a custom designed system. Personally I think he does need a designed system but on the flip side who the F cares if he does. In fact even if he doesn't why not design one anyway?

The ultimate goal is to win games and if we are doing that then keep all the players and all the coaches. Very rarely in any sport are people fired when a team is winning because teams tend to think "If it ain't broke don't fix it". Figure out what works best for Watson, and with him the team, use that system no matter what it is and then most people won't care if you built it from the ground up or just adapted someone else's to fit your team. Want to feed your ego then win and everyone will hail you as the smartest man in the room.
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I agree with you 100 %al.
 
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Texecutioner said:
The Texans defense doesn't appear at all ready for Mahomes.

Hopefully Watson can take advantage of their weak defense as well. At least the last two weeks the KC offense looked a lot more stoppable.
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When Fisher went out they began to struggle. A LT is that important, imagine that
 
maverick512000 said:
While that game was perfect the question is not if Watson can play a good game, everyone agrees he can do that, its can he do it under Bob's system or does it need to be a custom designed system. Personally I think he does need a designed system but on the flip side who the F cares if he does. In fact even if he doesn't why not design one anyway?

The ultimate goal is to win games and if we are doing that then keep all the players and all the coaches. Very rarely in any sport are people fired when a team is winning because teams tend to think "If it ain't broke don't fix it". Figure out what works best for Watson, and with him the team, use that system no matter what it is and then most people won't care if you built it from the ground up or just adapted someone else's to fit your team. Want to feed your ego then win and everyone will hail you as the smartest man in the room.
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Excellent post and completely correct. All we want is consistent success. I liked BOB when he was hired and if he starts winning and setting us up for quality runs at the AFCCG and SB on a yearly basis, then I'll gladly get behind him again.
 
amazing80 said:
I have the quote above this a few posts. The entire thread is about Watson. He was directly speaking with another poster about Watson being stupid. The other poster said like Fitz, Os, Keenum, Hoyer etc. Steel's response was the other guys had good years, but Os is stupid TOO (meaning Watson is stupid like OS). Feel free to go look for yourself.
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Meaning he can't learn the EP system if he hasn't learned it in 3 years he probably never will and BOB needs to run an offense Watson is comfortable with.
 
banned1976 said:
You’re right, I could have. And you could have refrained from saying to the board yesterday in the game day thread “fk you haters” or something like that.
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yes, I was too drumk much too early

edit: But I didn't attack ANY individual
 
steelbtexan said:
Meaning he can't learn the EP system if he hasn't learned it in 3 years he probably never will and BOB needs to run an offense Watson is comfortable with.
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BOB can run a completely different offense and still use the EP system to call the plays. I dont think EP is the problem, its the overly complex scheme...it looks to me to be a combination of long developing plays, the "gameplan" offense with no true identity, a QB that tends to hold the ball too long, and having fewer receivers on routes to make up for a sub-par offensive line.

Watson talked yesterday about DHop missing a read...instead of cutting his route off into the flat, he turned up the seam. Is this on Watson or Hopkins? Obrien? How often does it happen that the receivers arent on the same page with Watson?

There are a lot of factors at play besides "Watson just cant grasp the EP System". Most everyone has a tendency to over simplify a larger issue into a few (or one) digestible problem, which I feel you have done in this case. It may be true that Watson just doesnt have the capacity to grasp Obriens scheme, but there are so many other obvious issues with the offense that Im surprised you boil it down to Watson.
 
frethack said:
BOB can run a completely different offense and still use the EP system to call the plays. I dont think EP is the problem, its the overly complex scheme...it looks to me to be a combination of long developing plays, the "gameplan" offense with no true identity, a QB that tends to hold the ball too long, and having fewer receivers on routes to make up for a sub-par offensive line.

Watson talked yesterday about DHop missing a read...instead of cutting his route off into the flat, he turned up the seam. Is this on Watson or Hopkins? Obrien? How often does it happen that the receivers arent on the same page with Watson?

There are a lot of factors at play besides "Watson just cant grasp the EP System". Most everyone has a tendency to over simplify a larger issue into a few (or one) digestible problem, which I feel you have done in this case. It may be true that Watson just doesnt have the capacity to grasp Obriens scheme, but there are so many other obvious issues with the offense that Im surprised you boil it down to Watson.
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I came to this conclusion after 3 years.

If Nuk is having issues, that's even more of a reason to go back to the old offense.
 
maverick512000 said:
Not to hype up this win but coming into this game Falcons were ranked 7th in pass defense.
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Does this mean they were 7th in passing yards allowed or is this some other metric?

If it is yards, they went from 7th to 20th in 1 game?

And their pass yards allowed are going to being lower when they have the 8th fewest pass attempts against them.

So if you’re just using yards as a measurement, it isn’t a very good one.

I don’t know what the stats were coming in, but right now they have the highest QB rating allowed, 4th most Y/A, 4th highest completion percentage allowed, 2nd fewest PDs, and tied for fewest sacks.

No freaking way they had the 7th best pass D with where those numbers are.
 
steelbtexan said:
I came to this conclusion after 3 years.

If Nuk is having issues, that's even more of a reason to go back to the old offense.
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My issue is with saying "Watson doesnt grasp the EP System". It sticks with me because the implication seemed to be that Watson could not run a complex offense. Not sure if that is what you meant, but that is the way I took it.

He obviously grasps it just fine because they used it yesterday and every other Sunday since Watson and Obrien have been together (wins and losses). Watson grasps the EP verbiage just fine...the team just isnt getting Obriens scheme, which very often does not help receivers get open and sends the RB into the buttocks of a guard. They went back to a similar, move evolved, version of Watsons year one scheme, one that actually helps the receivers get open quickly, and it worked on the Falcons. They'll continue using the EP system to call the plays as long as Obrien is here, and maybe next year (or the year after) they will finally implement Obriens Grand Plan where no one needs help getting open.

Meanwhile, the Patriots will run a "lesser" scheme with rubs and bunches and win the Superbowl.
 
frethack said:
My issue is with saying "Watson doesnt grasp the EP System". It sticks with me because the implication seemed to be that Watson could not run a complex offense. Not sure if that is what you meant, but that is the way I took it.

He obviously grasps it just fine because they used it yesterday and every other Sunday since Watson and Obrien have been together (wins and losses). Watson grasps the EP verbiage just fine...the team just isnt getting Obriens scheme, which very often does not help receivers get open and sends the RB into the buttocks of a guard. They went back to a similar, move evolved, version of Watsons year one scheme, one that actually helps the receivers get open quickly, and it worked on the Falcons. They'll continue using the EP system to call the plays as long as Obrien is here, and maybe next year (or the year after) they will finally implement Obriens Grand Plan where no one needs help getting open.

Meanwhile, the Patriots will run a "lesser" scheme with rubs and bunches and win the Superbowl.
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This right here is spot on.
 
Speedy said:
Does this mean they were 7th in passing yards allowed or is this some other metric?

If it is yards, they went from 7th to 20th in 1 game?

And their pass yards allowed are going to being lower when they have the 8th fewest pass attempts against them.

So if you’re just using yards as a measurement, it isn’t a very good one.

I don’t know what the stats were coming in, but right now they have the highest QB rating allowed, 4th most Y/A, 4th highest completion percentage allowed, 2nd fewest PDs, and tied for fewest sacks.

No freaking way they had the 7th best pass D with where those numbers are.
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https://thefalconswire.usatoday.com/2019/09/16/atlanta-falcons-pass-defense-no-1-nfl/

Make of it what you will.
 
steelbtexan said:
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When Fisher went out they began to struggle. A LT is that important, imagine that
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That's why you don't draft project players until the position is solved.

What you don't do is throw your entire future away to fill the position like the Texans did who now will have no chance at winning a SB during a window that was open for them.
 
Texecutioner said:
That's why you don't draft project players until the position is solved.

What you don't do is throw your entire future away to fill the position like the Texans did who now will have no chance at winning a SB during a window that was open for them.
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Yep, now we have many free agents, expensive extensions, and no first round picks for two years.

They have to win basically now, but they're not really that good.

Would not be a surprise to lose reader, Whitney and more next year
 
frethack said:
My issue is with saying "Watson doesnt grasp the EP System". It sticks with me because the implication seemed to be that Watson could not run a complex offense. Not sure if that is what you meant, but that is the way I took it.

He obviously grasps it just fine because they used it yesterday and every other Sunday since Watson and Obrien have been together (wins and losses). Watson grasps the EP verbiage just fine...the team just isnt getting Obriens scheme, which very often does not help receivers get open and sends the RB into the buttocks of a guard. They went back to a similar, move evolved, version of Watsons year one scheme, one that actually helps the receivers get open quickly, and it worked on the Falcons. They'll continue using the EP system to call the plays as long as Obrien is here, and maybe next year (or the year after) they will finally implement Obriens Grand Plan where no one needs help getting open.

Meanwhile, the Patriots will run a "lesser" scheme with rubs and bunches and win the Superbowl.
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I'm saying in 3 years he still hasn't been able to transfer his film knowledge to the field and I doubt he will be able too. So I'm very glad that BPB finally is using an offense that Watson is comfortable with.
 
TheKDog said:
Yep, now we have many free agents, expensive extensions, and no first round picks for two years.

They have to win basically now, but they're not really that good.

Would not be a surprise to lose reader, Whitney and more next year
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They also handcuffed their a ability to make any potential trades for big opportunities to fill holes or to put themselves over the top.


I notice all these people in here keep bringing up all these trade scenarios as if we actually have draft picks to acquire anybody. Its mind boggling to the point that people seem to think you can trade with fake draft picks you don't have.
 
https://www.si.com/nfl/2019/10/07/a...rey-panthers-michael-thomas-saints-nfl-week-5

And the Texans, believe it or not, are another. This offseason, they drafted Tytus Howard in the first round, Max Schraping in the second, and traded two first-rounders and a second (with other picks mixed in) for Miami’s franchise left tackle, Laremy Tunsil. The idea was to settle Howard in long-term at right tackle, and Scharping at guard, and Houston got those guys starting in those spots collectively for the first time in Week 3.

It’s still too early to consider the line 100% fixed, but this is a good sign—Deshaun Watson wasn’t sacked and was hit just once in Sunday’s win over Atlanta, and the Texans rushed for 166 yards on 34 carries. Remember, as recently as six weeks ago, the Houston line was considered a potential season-breaking problem.

Even if the public has yet to take notice, that’s not really the case anymore, and that’s reflected in what we saw from the quarterback Sunday. Watson finished with a perfect passer rating and became the first players to throw for 400 yards and five touchdowns with five or fewer incompletions (he was 28-of-32) in NFL history.

This area has quickly turned around for these AFC South rivals, maybe giving hope to the teams that have had so many problems solving their issues up front.
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steelbtexan said:
I'm saying in 3 years he still hasn't been able to transfer his film knowledge to the field and I doubt he will be able too. So I'm very glad that BPB finally is using an offense that Watson is comfortable with.
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Huh, he just showed everyone that he knows what he's doing. Last season he ran it and put up 4100+ yards and accounted for 32 Touchdowns.

Again where is you getting that stuff from?
 
Now THAT was good entertainment. Enjoy it when it happens! :tv:

And this happened:

Houston Texans: "Deshaun Watson is the first player in NFL history to pass for at least 400 yards and five TDs with five-or-fewer incompletions in a single game. His cleats are headed to the Pro Football Hall of Fame."

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mws said:
I'm watching the game again and I can say that in the fourth quarter I see O'Brian with the call sheets in his hand. So he was calling plays at least part of the time. They did not show the sidelines much in this one.
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Having spoken to someone sitting right behind the Texans bench.......O'Brien had his menu out the entire game.............between plays, either ordering out to Denny's or talking to Watson.
 
TheKDog said:
Yep, now we have many free agents, expensive extensions, and no first round picks for two years.

They have to win basically now, but they're not really that good.

Would not be a surprise to lose reader, Whitney and more next year
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They have the cap s
Texecutioner said:
That's why you don't draft project players until the position is solved.

What you don't do is throw your entire future away to fill the position like the Texans did who now will have no chance at winning a SB during a window that was open for them.
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Their window will remain open if Watson improves with experience.
 
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