Last year they showed Chiefs games over Texans games because of Mahomes since he is the local guy. Pissed me off, because they used to only cover the Texans, unless the Cowboys were shown on CBS the same time the Texans were. It sometimes sucks to live in Cowboys country.
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Pre-season...Game 3...Dallas Cowboys!
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Texansballer74
The Marine
Max
Veteran
I think you misread what I said. You practically quoted me
Texansballer74
The Marine
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Not really. The guys who will be on the field the whole game Sept. 9 played 2 freaking series. Don’t give a flying flip how the 3rd string QB and his backup played or what the Texans did as a team with 2’s, 3’s and 4’s on the field for most of the game. 37 of those guys will be unemployed next Saturday.
It was a meaningless practice that meant nothing in the grand scheme of things, other than losing your starting RB for the season.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yes a meaningless practice in which the starters again didn't get imo the right amount of reps. Now we have to figure it out again during the season.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
That's just the way it is in the NFL these days. It's not just an OB thing, it's nearly everybody. That's why I want to just do away with the pre-season game altogether and just have joint practices. The starters get plenty of snaps in those.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Agree.
Watching him pre injury I thought he could be top 5 all time.
Normally I’d agree with you but this was a flat out disgusting display of poor preparation.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
In a way I am glad they took a beating. Will remind them they are in a tough league and they have much to improve upon.
Main thing I noticed was the lack of a passing game. Running game wasn't much better so a lot of that has to be on the oline - not just the coaches.
Just gonna have to wait and see if they can gel.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
In a way I am glad they took a beating. Will remind them they are in a tough league and they have much to improve upon.
Main thing I noticed was the lack of a passing game. Running game wasn't much better so a lot of that has to be on the oline - not just the coaches.
Just gonna have to wait and see if they can gel.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Again, it’s a bunch of backups and their backups playing most of the game. That’s not what’s going to be on the field in the Superdome.
I don’t disagree that the preparation was poor, but the result of the game as a whole doesn’t tell anyone much.
TexansBull
Hall of Fame
This reminds me of the time we started 0-5.
Except this year we don’t have a cake schedule
Except this year we don’t have a cake schedule
xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
This may sound weird but even in the regular season I judge the team more by how they play vs the results.
Like last year...the texans reeled off a bunch of wins to get into the playoffs but I never felt like they were playing well and eventually it culminated in a thrashing.
I couldn't care less about pre season game scores but I want to see a well coached team and a team that appears to be gelling.
I personally didnt get that impression tonight.
Mangler
Toro de España
We need a new HC, plain and simple. I know what’s coming next. The lot of the O’Brien apologists will ask “Who are you suggesting be the new HC?” My answer: “Not my job. I’m not qualified to appoint the next HC.” Anyone with half a brain understands O’Brien is just not the HC this organization needs. The Texans need a HC with a vision and an actual scheme. This bullsh1t game plan per opponent has not worked since Butt Chin’s arrival. It’s year six now, and the team still looks like a confused pile of crap!
banned1976
sleeper mode
Not a high 1st round pick. If you can convince me that getting Williams will result in picking somewhere between 28-32 then OK.
I wrote shortly after the draft, I don’t think this team is very good. I don’t like the secondary and I don’t like the offensive lines, at least this year. I’m hoping they improve. I think the secondary will but I’m not sure about the line.
Pharaohcious
Waterboy
Pretty much obvious at this point the only upside to the team IS the Secondary
Number19
Hall of Fame
The purpose of a preseason game is not to win, but rather to evaluate players in a game setting against players other than your own teammates, and at game speed. The coaching staff will take this game film and break down the play of every player.
My interest this off season has been the OL. Last night's game may have done much to decide between Davenport and Johnson; and whether to go with Martin at OC or make a switch to Fulton.
Just two examples.
No one likes to lose, but coaches see preseason games differently from fans.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Right on. But my impression of TC this year, and focusing on the OL, is that going into camp, they had an idea of a starting 5, but this is not working out; and they are still in the process of deciding who will make the team and who to cut. Bottom line, if we don't have the pieces in place, they can't begin to gel.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Yes I've seen teams do this as well. But they ar least run their starters out there for either a quarter or half. I watched the Seahawks game last night and Wilson played pretty much the entire 1st quarter . Mahomes played the entire 1st and a series in the 2nd. Jimmy G for the 49ers played the entire 1st half. This leads me to believe it all determines on how the coach feels about the readiness of his starters. Last year Brady played in all but one preseason game. That's because they had quite a few new starters on the offense.
But I'm with you, they might as well do away with preseason.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Here's something freaky for board members. As many of you know, I'm currently living in Naples, Italy which is +7 hours ahead of CST. I was really tired last night and went to bed 2130. Probably had more to do with the fact that AFN wasn't showing the Astros or Texans games. At some point this morning I was having a dream and I saw the score of the Texans - Cowboys game......33 - 3 Cowboys. I woke up and went to the bathroom and came back to the bed. It was 0530, so I grabbed my phone and checked the games. Checked Astros first....win, check. Went to ESPN to check football scores and immediately saw the Texans lost 34 - 0. I just said whooooaaa, my wife asked, what I was responding to, I told her about my dream and the actual outcome. Freaky.
Lost Miller for the season and lost Fulton for who knows how long. OB pulled Watson after the first series when he was hit twice and fumbled once.....what happened to the confidence he had with HIS OL?
OB is a ducking joke as an NFL HC and the organization is a ducking joke for thinking OB is the next BB or getting persuaded by OB into thinking he could be the next BB.
Lost Miller for the season and lost Fulton for who knows how long. OB pulled Watson after the first series when he was hit twice and fumbled once.....what happened to the confidence he had with HIS OL?
OB is a ducking joke as an NFL HC and the organization is a ducking joke for thinking OB is the next BB or getting persuaded by OB into thinking he could be the next BB.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
First I am sick and tired of this “O’Brien apologist” bullish!t. No one at any point has been saying the play calling is good or that BoB has been doing a great job or hell even argued he shouldn’t be fired. Just some of us don’t think that he is the source of every problem or that just by hiring a new HC will you fix every problem. The questions of who would be brought in and is it worth losing 2-3, if not more, years of Watson and Hopkins careers and pretty much all of Watt’s are valid ones.
Second if you are going to pull the “Not my job, I’m not qualified to appoint the next HC” card then you are also admitting you are not qualified to say we need to fire the current one. If you can’t evaluate someone to be hired for a job then you can’t evaluate them enough to decide if they should be fired.
I agree the team looked confused but most of them were the backups and the backups to the backups. Unless you think that a HC should be able to have Joe Webb making plays like Deshaun Watson. I’m not saying there weren’t things that pissed me off, the Oline in particular, and if this was a regular season game with our starters then yeah I’d say time for a mid season change. It wasn’t a regular game though and they weren’t our starters, that’s the only saving grace.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
After watching Miller get taken out and then Fulton all within 4 minutes I would have pulled Watson, Watt and whatever other key player I could get away with off the field to even if I wanted to give them more play time.
Fulton going down is bad, Miller going down is worse but Watson going down is the end of the season before the first game is played.
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Never mind the right amount of reps, they were mauled when they were out there.
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Texansballer74
The Marine
This could very well happen in the first game of the season. Especially when youy team doesn't seem to be prepared. Unfortunately injuries are apart of this game. No team can escape them but some can luckily avoid them.
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My problem is it appears O'Brien already knows who is starting where & nothing that happens in these games will change his mind. Kalil will be our LT. Martin is the Center. Period.
Dejaview
All Pro
This thought has followers but more detractors. Most are blaming OB for playing starters even one play in the preseason. I’m with you. Starters need a few preseason game reps. Nobody complained last week when DW was spot on and nobody got hurt. From my angle the Miller injury just pulled the curtain down on that game last night. Almost all starters and their probable backups got pulled. I just saw a plain vanilla O and D with folks who are going to be gone next week. Webb handing off to Higdon or tossing to Mitchell is what it is. My concern is DW. No spark last night. His post game interview showed him really down over Miller’s injury. In two preseason games however I thought the best RB on the Texans in those games was Buddy Howell. This may be his chance.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
And this is the problem I have. Clearly Kalil, Davenport, and Martin should be backups at this point. Everyone seems to agree except OB
Would it be too much to ask you to go to St. Peter's & light a candle?
I'm not there on Davenport. Haven't seen enough of him this offseason to see if he's developed at all.
amazing80
Hall of Fame
Who would you start him over? Because at this point the staring five should be
Johnson Howard Fulton Scharping Henderson
Number19
Hall of Fame
This is also my worry. But my hope is that OB may be coming to this realization and is still looking for the right lineup.
(example) Howard is out. Who fills in? It's still preseason but you've got one more week to decide. Options? Fulton, Mancz, Kelemente, Rankin.
Last night he tried Fulton. And Miller is out for the season.
Martin, on the same play, got pushed back 2 yards. Is his weight, less than 300 lbs, a contributing factor. Would Fulton at 321 lbs be better?
At this point I just want the decisions to be good decisions. We'll know in a week.
Dejaview
All Pro
This would be a huge improvement from last year. Odd about Johnson. OB loves him and seemed to imply he wanted to see him again this week. I think that may say something about Davenport actually. Depends on Fulton’s injury but I don’t think he makes this team.
Jadmakaveli
Veteran
That’s the best line up however, BoB just can’t get out his own ways and make that the starting line up. Along with allowing Kelly to play call. What we saw last night was 2018 Texans. They put davenport out there and ran booty ass routes.
Number19
Hall of Fame
Unless we pick up someone off waivers, Davenport has to be the swing tackle at this point. Martin should make the cut only if we keep 9.
Number19
Hall of Fame
We don't have depth at OT. Unless we pick up someone off waivers, he's our swing tackle. Rankin did take snaps at RT last night?
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
As a realist, I see a few glaring weaknesses.
The first is the lack of vision for a passing game from the offensive coordinator.
Pre season games are for assessment of each individuals skills and the OC was just not assessing the passing skills of the most important position on the O. Sure, they are aren't going to show much of their plan in the pre season, and we know Watson can throw the ball, but I would have liked to have seen a bit more of a short passing game. And again, we have other receivers that can fill that role but we didn't see much at all of a short to intermediate passing game.
What was most disappointing was the fact that #1 and #2 QBs didn't seem any different from last season in that they held on to the damn ball too long and the pattern of sacks was in evidence again.
That just ain't gonna fly. They simply must have a decent passing game to open up the run.
Another problem is the obvious Oline dysfunction. I am hopeful that Roderick Johnson will blossom but he needs to do it quickly. I firmly believe that one really good lineman at any position lifts the whole line so someone needs to be that guy and soon so I am keeping my eyes open as to who that might be.
Obviously, loosing Miller is going to bite big time so Texans must bring in another durable type that can be our #1 or 2. I have a feeling Buddy Howell is going to be a pleasant surprise this season. Let's hope so.
One pleasing fact came out of the game and that was the secondary. Of course it is going to get tougher in the real stuff but they seem better than I anticipated. Here's hoping.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Yes it could but the part of that statement is “of the season”. Yeah it would suck but at least it would be a game with some reward for winning or penalty for losing. If Texans had won any of the first 3 games last season they would have been the number 2 seed. It’s a simple risk to reward ratio and the risk in preseason games is so much greater than the reward it’s not even funny. Even from a money point of view if a star QB gets taken out in a preseason game then how many people won’t buy tickets that year or even watch the games because they figure it’s not worth it.
Not matter how you slice it there is not valid reason for the preseason games other than to give the talking heads a chance to treat it like a real game.
And neither do W-L records.
I still can't get some guys getting all worked up about this game ? I think it's a thing that's important to some guys from Texas but meaningless to imports like myself.
There's only been one game between the Texans & Cowboys thats had any real significance in the last 4 years and it was played in October of 2018 in Houston.
I really wish the Texans did have a real rivalry which we don't IMO.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Tend to agree. And leave them there to grow some chemistry together. It's gonna take time to gel as it is so chopping and changing them around every series is counter productive.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
It's not the meaningless game that works me up, it the same bad decisions before, during and after the game that become monotonous.
After last night give me anything but what they currently have at LT. I dont understand Davenport with the 1's, RJ is much better than the crap that's Davenport and taking snaps away from RJ is a mistake. IMHO
I dont get all of the OL shuffling. Put the guys where you want them to play and let them develop some form of continuity.
Dejaview
All Pro
Not sure I agree about the preseason. With parity and thin rosters at the bottom of the 53 I’m not sure how you can really evaluate your roster. Perhaps coordinated practices and televised scrimmages at the least.
Dejaview
All Pro
Then you must be in favor of playing your starters throughout preseason.
LMAO
You should have seen enough of him last yr to be able to predict that he would suck last night. Guy just isn't a NFL level player and he proves it every time he goes up against a quality DE.
Texansphan
Football connoisseur
Yep and that unfortunately is on the HC.
I just don't know what it is going to take to alter his way of thinking.
I respect his win/loss record, but he is going to be just another coach.
The problem is, finding a better guy but I am beginning to think anyone with a bit more imagination would be better at this point.
I have supported him so far, but this season is (should be) make or break for him imo.
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xtruroyaltyx
Hall of Fame
Not knocking it, but just to be clear that lineup doesn’t have one player who played one full nfl game at the position you have them slotted in last year and only one player who played more than 1 NFL games last season. Two rookies and one player who’s essentially a well seasoned rookie.
I’m guessing this is what OB is afraid of.
Texansballer74
The Marine
I understand fully what you're getting at Maverick. My thing is we're about to start a brand new unit for the fourth year. Each year the oline play has gotten worse. Yes we won 11 games last season but factoring in the schedule is a must. This season we can't be half stepping when we know we're playing a first place ( division) schedule. The same linemen from last week except Howard should've started this game. Especially when you're going up against a top front. Come on bro you have to understand what's happening there. Communication and chemistry is all jacked up. That's why we sustained some terrible injuries last night.