infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yes, you were a pivot point. Thx.
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Is it Grade the Draft time?
- Thread starter TripleTap
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Yes, you were a pivot point. Thx.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
In fact, in my English-Greek Interlinear, Max Scharping translates as Road Grader.
Maybe.
So trading up 1 spot is to get the best LT in the draft is throwing away picks?
I value protecting Watson more than you do.
Give me Dillard/Scharping even it it means losing Warring.
It would depend on the difference between the best LT and the second best. If they are rated similarly then you could make a case that you would be wasting a pick.
I’d also add, the blocking of Ryan Griffin was atrocious last season, if drafting Warring means the end of RG I think we’ve gotten better at protecting Watson - simply from RG’s subtraction. By all reports Warring is a willing blocker - RG not so much
We will see.
They just missed out on the best LT in the draft. IMHO
They aren't winning a SB next yr, so I would've addressed the LT position with Dillard and if I was sitting there without a 3rd because of trading up for Dillard and Warring was on the board and I really liked Warring, I would've traded a 2020 2nd to get Warring.
Gaine/Devlin decided to stand pat and draft 2 small school OL. I hope this works out but the jury is still out. Devlin better be able to develop his handpicked guy.
We heard throughout the off-season that the Texans really liked Howard
Never heard they really liked Dillard
Perhaps their idea of best OT was completely different from yours
We'll see who was right... paid professionals or MB dude
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
To me, there's 4 grading periods for every draft.
1. The Draft on paper.
2. The draft after Season 1.
3. The development of drafted players after Season 2.
4. The final assessment of players after Season 3.....drafted in let's say 2019.
Of course, there will be players who don't make it a full 3 seasons so their grading will be much easier.
1. The Draft on paper.
2. The draft after Season 1.
3. The development of drafted players after Season 2.
4. The final assessment of players after Season 3.....drafted in let's say 2019.
Of course, there will be players who don't make it a full 3 seasons so their grading will be much easier.
Dejaview
All Pro
Bingo. And MB dude also cries that BG is a passive FA GM....I guess despite Honey Badger his first year. Early FA signings have consequences. Lost comp picks. My guess BG values a third round comp pick as a better alternative to perhaps signing a 30+ OL at this point of total team rebuild.
Dejaview
All Pro
Bingo. And MB dude also cries that BG is a passive FA GM....I guess despite Honey Badger his first year. Early FA signings have consequences. Lost comp picks. My guess BG values a third round comp pick as a better alternative to perhaps signing a 30+ OL at this point of total team rebuild.
Huh? Either one of us can't read or is way too drumk on a Sunday morning
This is a great point, and a hidden benefit of picking Howard. If Devlin can’t develop these 2 then it’s clearly on him. No excuses as these are his handpicked guys. I’m guessing if Devlin pounded the table for Dillard they’d have made that happen.
I heard it (or read it) about everyday
anything but... but media is far different from NFL staffs
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Agree with all. Warring has proven his run blocking, but has yet to prove his pass blocking. Although now being in an offense with heavy dose of passing, and with the OC being the past TE coach, I believe he has the ability and the willingness to easily nail that part of his game down.
Are you sure Devlin wasn't the odd man out & was begging them to trade up one spot?
My confidence was in you. You said get BO'b & Devlin more talent & things would turn around.
They got more talent & now you're saying they got the wrong talent.
It ain't easy keeping up with you.
It's very easy keeping up with me if you weren't such a contrarian. Did they get talent, I've never seen Howard play 1 full game. What I do know is Howard looked OK not great at the Sr. Bowl and proved to be an avg athlete at best for his position at the combine. (Troublesome)
Simply : I liked Dillard more than any other OT in this draft. Taking a couple of small school guys is a risk I wouldn't take when it comes to protecting Watson. Gaine/Devlin were willing to accept this risk and I hope they get this right. If they dont they should be fired.
Very simple and straight to the point.
This may shock you, but just because a bunch of talking heads think the world of a particular player doesn't mean that that's how any particular team(s) value a particular player. The Texans may very well have had Howard ahead of Dillard the whole time but we will never know. We do know, for a solid fact, that the Iggles valued Dillard more than Howard.
BTW, PFF has gone off the reservation with some of their stuff. I don't pay much attention to them any more.
PHILLYTEXANFAN
Saddle Up Partner
I thought this exact thing about that scout that left
So many others liked Howards SB performance much more than you. I notice that you left OB out of the mix when it came to getting fired for picking small school guys over your latest fat guy man crush. He really can do no wrong in your eyes. He's the Yin to Rick Smith's Yang.
If the report is true that the Ravens offered the Texans to swap firsts for our third... we know the Texans didn't think much of Dillard.
Not at all,
It's just that Devlin worked out 3 times before the draft. This is really his pick, in fact both of the OL are his picks. Gaine made the pick. I've said in many posts including this thread, they took a risk by not trading up and opting for 2 small school guys. We will see if their gamble pays off. If they didn't get this draft right then I want them ALL fired.
People hear what they want to hear. I will also repeat that this is yr 2 of a 3 yr rebuild. Yr 2 offseason certainly wasn't promising.
It's amazing Mike Devlin has this much influence in player acquisition but BO'b never has.
I never said what I believed, only what we heard via the media
I think Howard, Sharping and Dillard are all going to struggle their rookie year
Brian Gaine has a role in acquiring players. Mike Devlin has a role in acquiring players.
BO'b doesn't? How does that work?
I'm pretty sure you know how it works.
Gaine/BOB watch the tape/Sr. Bowl/Combine.
Devlin works the guys out and says this is my guy. BOB/Gaine watch the tape and if everything matches up then Devlin's guy is the pick.
When Gibbs was here, do you think Kubiak/the former GM told Gibbs after Gibbs worked out DB, nope Mr. Gibbs you cant have DB? Same with Devlin.
So what you're staying now, is both BO'b & Ricky screwed up our roster over the last 5 years & BO'b should have left to help with Rick's wife?
I’m making an assumption given how poorly the OL played last season. I would think they would grab the best possible players to address the situation. If they thought Dillard was head and shoulders better than Howard then it would’ve been silly not to trade up with Baltimore. They showed a ton of interest in Howard so I’m betting they had them similarly rated, or at least close enough that it wasn’t worth the 3rd to move up. Either way, Devlin has a 1st and 2nd rd pick to work with now. These guys have to show improvement over the course of the season or it would reflect poorly on his coaching abilities. I’m not saying they need to make the Pro bowl, but there has to be improvement over the season or, if I was GM, I’d be shopping for a new OL coach
I’m also including BOB in this discussion as well. He finally has alignment so if things don’t go well, he has nothing to hide behind
Dillard is starting out in a better situation. He has pro bowlers to learn from and Philly has an excellent OL coach. I’m hoping (fingers crossed) that Devlin is better than we think and he can develop Howard into a terrific OT for us. Wade Smith says that Howard has a high ceiling, hopefully Devlin and BOB can help him achieve his potential
"People hear what they want to hear." STB proves it on a daily basis.
Devlin doesn't have as much sway with personnel calls as OB and OB is an "offensive guru" who should have enough knowledge of OL play to concur or disagree with a position coach's opinion. If OB said "hey, if you like them, Devlin, then those are the guys we're going to pick" then OB needs to be replaced due to lack of due diligence. This really isn't hard to understand. HC opinion>position coach opinion. The OL play has been poor enough that Devlin's opinion should not be taken as that of a subject matter expert but should be questioned at every turn. This really isn't hard to understand.
Just asking …. what player have those two helped achieve his potential so far ? I cant think of one …. I don't have much confidence in BOB or Devlin …. their history isn't good.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
I'd like this twice if I could. Wish I'd written it.
Those 2 specifically? None. However, for whatever reason, they haven’t had much talent other then Brooks. At the pro level on the OL you need some combination of talent, athleticism and toughness. Outside of Brooks I don’t think we’ve much of any of these traits
Being honest, I’m not high on Devlin and I’m dead smoke in the middle on BOB. I see the warts a lot of you point out, but I see some positives as well. I’m going to hope that both of these guys learn from their mistakes and get better at their respective jobs
You know exactly what I'm saying.
Give it a rest and let all talk of the former GM go.
But to answer your question like I've said in many posts before and the sad part is that you already know this, YES, I WANTED BOB GONE WITH THE FORMER GM and a fresh start.
Do you think this is what happened with Kubiak/Gibbs and Kubiak was a much better offensive mind according to most including me around these parts.
I don't think you can compare a phenomenal OL coach in Gibbs to a much lesser of an OL coach in Devlin? It would make absolute sense for Kubes to listen to a ZBS guru like Gibbs. It would be criminally negligent of OB to do the same with Devlin, given the results we've all seen.