Then maybe it’s the coach or the scouts that are making the same mistakes.
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Is it Grade the Draft time?
- Thread starter TripleTap
- Start date
Could be, we're going to find out.
Toro Bravo
Rookie
I actually like both our OL picks. I just don't think the value corresponds with other choices available at those picks.
This is where I'm at.
But being honest I've seen very little of Howard, so any opinion I have of him would be misinformed.
Texas Jake
Rookie
One thing I have read about both of them is that they play with a little bit of a mean streak. If you want to pound the ball, that is a good trait to have in the oline. I think how these linemen perform in the run game was high in the decision process of deciding who to draft. Hopefully this works out. I am eager to see what Miller can do behind a line that can consistently create daylight for him to run to.
That sounds like an accurate summary of what just went down in Nashville over the weekend for young Mr Gaine who, lets face it, just went thru his rookie Draft as a GM because last year with nothing greater at stake than a couple of third-rounders, this year he was playing with the owners blue chips against the big boys like the Philly GM
who recently put togethr a Super Bowl winning roster.
In the Dillard-Howard sequence that went down in the first round Gaine very possibly screwed the pooch but it's still to early to know for sure bout that, time will tell.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
What sites do you recommend to get fairly accurate information?
If you are talking about sites for draft or player grades pretty much find whatever site most matches your own opinion because that's what they all are, opinions. Some guess better than others but none of them are what I would call accurate. Me personally the only information I care about getting from sites really is stats and record because numbers don't lie nor do they have an agenda. They can be twisted to fit an agenda or taken out of context but the numbers themselves should be correct. Every so often there might be an article that better says what I'm trying to say but that's still just opinion. To many people on here link grades and mocks and tweets from so called experts as though they were carved in stone facts.
What sites do you recommend to get fairly accurate information?
For what? I don't think it exists. Teams are not gonna give out that info
Wish someone would call our GM a wizard.
bah007
Hall of Fame
What sites do you recommend to get fairly accurate information?
Greg Cosell is the best around. Lance Zierlein is more hit than miss. They both do their homework. LZ tends to try not to stick out from the consensus but will call his shot once in a while.
Those are really the only people not working for an NFL team who I think has an opinion worth listening to. I mostly watch and study players on my own during my limited free time as a hobby. I've been to most of the sites that get posted on here to check them out but the great majority are honestly garbage analysis and groupthink. Not very useful I'd say.
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Thanks for the reply
Most of my reading was Zeirlein on NFL site. Mostly because he has visited this site in the past.
I'll pay attention to Cosell in the future to see what he has to say.
Dejaview
All Pro
BG has been refreshingly transparent describing his desired player profile. He has a vision for this team that is starting to take shape. For example, looking at our current roster, we could have an OL that averages 6’5” -6’6” and 320#’s. This is the new Texans. Sure we have yet to see their unified skill set but he is targeting smart high character guys that should make the whole greater than the individual parts. It will take time to round out the depleted roster he inherited but I’m just excited to finally see a Texan FO with a clear plan. It seems to me that he will always draft need, following his player profile, over scout reported BPA. Until we see more of BG I won’t stress over draft grades.
Gaine sounds like a genius. I bet no one has ever thought of only drafting big guys with high character
Dejaview
All Pro
He looked at his roster and saw the need. He stated a measurable objective he will be judged by. I remember in the not distant past this board couldn’t even agree on whether the past GM or the coach selected the players.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
And you still won't now.
austins23
Hall of Fame
This guy is really good. He is on NFL Radio every week with Ross Tucker. Ross' show is 5AM-6AM Monday thru Friday. Not sure what day he is on, but he's always a good listen. Cosell is also the guy in charge of or heavily involved in the Senior Bowl I believe.
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
The other thing I see BG doing is going after hungry guys. Prove it, guys who eat/sleep football versus those who have always had more talent. Greg Little example, kid gets away with uber talent, but does not seem hungry to improve. Anyway, thought I see a trend on that as well with BG
Rich Schmidt
Myopicone
The other thing I see BG doing is going after hungry guys. Prove it, guys who eat/sleep football versus those who have always had more talent. Greg Little example, kid gets away with uber talent, but does not seem hungry to improve. Anyway, thought I see a trend on that as well with BG
AngryNateFTW
Veteran
I could be wrong but didn't someone say that WalterFootball has a connection with Rick Smith?
Would make sense for them to bad mouth the Texans since he "resigned"
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
99% of all media outlets agree that the TExans had a head scratcher, and the goal here is to try and discredit every one! LOL.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
That's a good trend. I fondly recall the Dan Pastorini/Carl Mauck/et al Oilers. Not as talented as some other teams, but those guys epitomized hunger and fight.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
Phooey on the media outlets. They typically grab the easy answers anyway, so I don't let them get me.
My personal gut response semi-educated sense is that the Texans helped themselves a lot.
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infantrycak
Hall of Fame
But the $64k question is could they have helped themselves more?
HaveMercy
Passing Through
Maybe they could have, but at what cost? I'm glad they didn't try to get cute with it.
I couldn't care less what these goobers are saying.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Sounds like the Gaine honeymoon has come to an end. I recall many clamoring, “Can’t wait for this guy to have a full set of draft picks!”
HaveMercy
Passing Through
I'm not sure what to say about that, except that a guy doesn't get that big and talented without being hungry. And eating a lot. Dillard is good, no doubt. I'm not casting aspersions on Dillard.
We don't really know how it went down, but if the Texans knew in advance enough to try to trade for 22, maybe they figured it wouldn't be worth the cost because their long term value on Howard is really strong. Further, if there had been a bidding war for 22, who knows how the cost would have been driven up.
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HaveMercy
Passing Through
So good! Goobers is a good term to use here.
The Texans get little or no respect or truly thoughtful commentary from the media (and other) Goobers. I make up my own mind. And sometimes with the help of my wife.
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Give me the most talented guys and let the coaching staff learn how to motivate them. If it looks like a guy is lazy, cut him and draft another talented player.
Talent should always win out.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
The Gaine honeymoon has just begun. Some folks are perennial Negative Nancy's. Of course there will be differences of opinion on how Gaine ran the draft, and that's okay. Each of us would have likely done it a bit differently had we been in charge. But to say Gaine blew it is way way out of line.
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Except when I point out how good the defense has been under Crennel, and how all we need is a good offense to contend, all the Positive Pipers come in and tell me "actually the defense sucked"
HaveMercy
Passing Through
Could the defense stand some improvement? If course, but only so much can be fixed in one off-season. I think Gaine tried to address the biggest weaknesses and pretty much did so.
Dejaview
All Pro
Why then do all teams host personal interviews with players pre draft? Talent really is the “easy” part of the draft. Did you simply forgive the high prices we paid, for example, for Nix and Sam Montgomery? What BG has inherited is a symptom of that strategy. BG clearly is trying to raise the floor for the Texans.
dalemurphy
Hall of Fame
I think the issue with Dillard is Mike Leach's system. John Harris may have mentioned this as well, but I don't believe the Texans want a tackle that is exclusively in a 2pt stance and has no college experience blocking on a power play (or a zone run for that matter). He just pass blocked and blocked draw plays.
BS. If this was true Tyreke Hill/Travis Kelce would be Texans.
The Texans have never draft talent 1st. Ever heard of the phrase around these parts, Not Texans worthy?
The best choice was the guy who could start right away and was considered the best pass-blocking LT in the draft
cuppacoffee
Resident Grouch
Texansballer74
The Marine
Exactly, crazy how Steel continues to take his shots at RS.
The Texans coaches tells the GM who they wants not the other way around.
bah007
Hall of Fame
You would like to think that but times have changed. In this generation, it is getting very difficult to find kids and young adults that are capable of maximizing their potential. In recent years, the most successful kids I've been around were not the most gifted and talented. They were the kids with enough talent and the right mindset.
It's not as easy as you think to just "motivate" someone. Plus, NFL teams are putting massive amounts of resources and dollars into these players. I want to know who a guy is and what he's about before I take a chance on him. I'm the one taking the risk, not him. I have a finite amount of dollars and draft picks to spend and I don't want to waste one on a talented guy who might just be lazy enough to fail.
Athleticism and physical talent are obviously important, especially at the NFL level of competition. But studs bust all the time. Everyone in the NFL is an athlete. It's what else you bring to the table that separates the guys who make it from the guys who don't.
HaveMercy
Passing Through
Nah. You're making a lot of supposition there. I think Gaine & OB looked at long term projections, not just the first few games' impact. The more I learn about the differences between Dillard and Howard, the more I'm thinking Howard has less risk and was the better choice. As previously discussed, Dillard has his own issues. It's obvious to me, anyway, that the Texans preference was to work on Howard's issues rather than Dillard's.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Gaine is going after what the coaches want dude. They want to pound the ball so now they drafting those type of linemen.
Do you remember when we went after speed and skill players a few years ago.
Obrien at that time seen how fast the Falcons and several other teams we played the previous season. So before the draft he said we needed to get faster.
Dejaview
All Pro
Prove your first statement. Good luck. Also, I could be wrong but I heard JJ has raised his game with his drive and motivation. Any problem with that bar? BG can’t coach these players but he seems to take seriously his responsibility to provide solid rounded players. Pats get into teams heads simply because they go about their business. The whole is > than the parts...but the parts fit.
Texansballer74
The Marine
It's pretty cool to be optimistic about change when it comes to your favorite team. But let's be real here. If you're paying close attention you would see a lot of the same characteristics. When they said they're aligned basically meant Obrien will be calling all the shots. Especially on the offensive side of the ball. People need to realize he wants to be just like his mentor Bill Belichick.