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Kubiak was a good offensive mind... couldn't pick a DC worth a crap until Wade was forced on him
He could get 1st round talent (which most anyone can ) but his mid-round picks sucked and anyone denying that is delusional
Texansballer74
The Marine
Where did you read in any of my post saying anything remotely close to that. Some of the later round picks were suppose to pan out. Unfortunately they were busts. Some can actually blame coaching for not being able to get the best. He also hit on a lot of undrafted players as well. Like I said, it's a hit or miss.
It seemed to me that your argument has been that Smith did what was necessary to build a solid team. Adding a handful of players over 12 years is not doing that. Depth on this team has always been dreadful and just started getting better under OB. Yes the draft is a crap-shoot but RS was dreadful at it
Cool. You do that.
Personally I'm all about hoping for the best. I think my history on this site supports that. But the way this season started, looking absolutely unprepared in every way imaginable... it took a lot out of me.
Mainly because this was not the first time our team has looked totally unprepared for the game we have the most time to prepare for.
Then the decisions he made for week two & week three makes you wonder what his stubborn azs has been thinking all summer long. What was he doing all summer? Why can't he see what we see? Not me. Not you. Not that guy posting about moving his left tackle week 2, but all of us have posted common sense things that should have been done but weren't & now in week 8 those things (for the most part) are done & seem to be working better than "Mr smartest guy in the room's" ideas.
Yeah... Gaine seems to have brought along something different, something we've been missing.
But we see a boat anchor that may hold us back. & by the time that anchor is released, Gaine may have lost that something something.
I hope not. Instead I hope BO'b changes. Squash the ego, see what he had & focus on winning.
What is this "productive time" of which you speak??
I must be delusional.
I loved me some Jacoby Jones & Zach Diles. Steve Slaton was a great pick if not for injury. Glover Quinn was a steal, James Casey was a good pick, so was Brice McCain (not a great pick but he stuck around the NFL for a while after leaving). Garrett Graham was a solid pick. Derek Newton worked out pretty good for us. If not for his injury we probably wouldn't be looking for a right tackle now. Brandon Brooks, Ben Jones, Jared Crick, all solid imo. Ryan Griffin, Chris Jones, I still liked Fiedo & Hal. Christian Covington, DJ Reader.
I haven't given up on Davenport or Watkins.
I think all those guys mentioned were solid picks that could have fit nicely in a rotation. Some of them definite starters (Chris Jones, Ben Jones, Brandon Brooks).
He never found a Deshaun Jackson or LaVeon Bell... but he did find Aj Bouye & Arian Foster.
But I think our biggest problem has been McNair. I don't know if Kubiak shared his vision, or if Rick did. But it seemed Rick's version of McNair's team was different from Kubiak's version which is different from BO'bs... most likely different from Gaine's.
Nothing against McNair. It's his team & he can do what he wants. I'm just not seeing everyone on the same page & the division seems to be right below McNair.
I would think someone as successful as he is would think his team would work together better.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Yeah all that great top 10 offense...& only 2 playoff appearances in 8 years for the Texans...& still was getting smoked in the playoffs by the same team when he did make it with his offense looking like trash in the process.
And yeah sure Schaub was extended “against” Kubiaks wishes. That’s why when it was apparent Schaub was done, Kubiak kept trotting him back out there to set records throwing pick 6’s. That’s why there was no clear replacement drafted or brought in for Schaub in this time period.
You’re delusional.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol at walked into a great roster..yeah that roster was So great that we had the #1 overall pick in 2014 which we secured by putting together an impressive 14 game losing streak the year prior under Kubiak.
So great that we had no viable qb to speak of. So great that our best offensive skill players were well past their primes and/or broken down and coming off injury.
Yeah, someone’s been drinking ALOT.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
I'm a committed OB hater until I'm not. At which time I will be a non-OB hater, or even possibly a OB supporter. All rights to my opinion are my own, and are liable to change at any time for any reason, including the outside temperature, what time of day it is, and whether or not the chips and sauce were good at Alicia's on any particular day. Any one arguing with my opinion is obviously wrong, because I'm obviously right.
I keep frozen packages of crow in the freezer for any occasion, which would include any unexpected change of opinions that may occur.
I keep frozen packages of crow in the freezer for any occasion, which would include any unexpected change of opinions that may occur.
Like I said, a handful of players spread out over 12 years. Now make a list of the misses and it will be quite a bit longer. And the one's he did hit on he couldn't keep around. Some of those you listed were not as solid as you would like to think... when they left they didn't do much.
Sonny
TexSon Proud
I hate getting off topic but c'mon, Baller. Rick had something like 70 picks (give or take a handful) throughout his tenure and anyone choosing from a pool of the top 200 or so college players every year is bound to find some talent whether they know what they're doing or throwing darts at a wall to see what sticks.
Hell.. I could have been more successful depending on the windshear of the fan in the room.
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Point is even dumb dumb Kubiak rarely finished bottom 10 in offense.
You have to be a truly special kind of awful offensive coach to do that.
Talk about team for awhile... how far did those top 10 offenses get the TEAM?
So are you arguing it might actually be OK for O'Brien to build bottom 10 offenses every year?
"If Mario (Williams) doesn’t get hurt and Matt (Schaub) doesn’t get hurt, it was hard to beat us that year," Foster said.
"I totally agree, I think if Schaub doesn’t get hurt, we win it,” Johnson said. “I tell anybody and everybody, that was the year we should’ve won the Super Bowl."
https://www.click2houston.com/news/...irs-inmates-comments-on-arian-fosters-podcast
O'Brien has never built a team like that.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You also have to be a truly awful poster to be using the same tired point to try and prove something that obviously has a limited correlation to a teams overall success.....but I digress.
I'd like to see your data that proves this limited correlation
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol, I don’t think I’ve ever seen the pats lose a home game in the playoffs in the Bb/TB12 era. Last I checked they were something like 20-0. That didnt purport to change with a healthy Mario and Schaub in 2011 and I sure as hell didn’t feel like Schaub could go toe to toe with Brady.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
You’ve already posted it.....several times in your attempts to big up Kubiak’s offenses while shitting on BoBs. You’re in here boasting about how how Kubiak’s offenses were ranked & for all that, his teams couldn’t get past the damn divisional round of the playoffs..Even when he had a great defense in 2011 and 2012..his teams still failed to advance past the divisional round of the playoffs. And there are teams that meet that same fate with better ranking in team offense and defense EVERY.SINGLE.YEAR.
IF,IF
2011 was Wade's first year... Kubiak had already failed for 5 years...
Last year, IF Watson doesn't get hurt, Watts doesn't get hurt, Mercilus doesn't get hurt and how many others don't get hurt who knows what happens?
OB is not now or ever been perfect. Who has? But unlike Kubiak, he hasn't ever lost a locker room. Players play hard for him. Perhaps give him time with a GM instead of a suedo GM that doesn't know what the HC wants to do he will show improvement. Much like the 5 game winning streak you pooh at shows. Prior to 2011, how many 5 game winning streaks did the Texans have under Kubiak and RS?
There only chance was to have homefield advantage... and Shaub blew that in 2012
I've brought this up in other posts, but, regarding Rick Smith, all you have to do is look at his record as GM, regardless of who he drafted. During his time as GM, the Texans made the playoffs a total of 4 times, and won 3 playoff games. They also never made it to an AFC Championship Game...in his 11 years. That's not good. Not saying he was a horrible GM, but in my opinion was here too long.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Where’s Texecutioner when u need him
And once to the Colts? When BB decided to go for it on 4th down and gave the ball back to Peyton?
I just remember it was an important game... maybe for home field advantage?
Pretty sure most teams that are high on that ranking tend to win more.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Lol..that’s right keep on moving those goal posts...
The fact that you haven’t been able to effectively counter a single thing anyone has said regarding your trash assertions speaks volumes.
You’re still butthurt about Kubiak being run outta here & the fact that there’s a coach here who’s been able to equal his teams success as a Texans HC despite not having the same offensive results as your god Kubiak.
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Still, I think he did about as well as any other GM in the league. Put him with a coach that he's on the same page with, you get top ten offenses & top 5 defenses. Why those coaches can't deliver super bowls... I don't know.
But surely the evidence is there by the time we got Wade, there was division in house McNair & that imo is what lead to those dismal years.
Yeah, this may not be the roster BO'b wanted or needed. Seems to have been division from the start. I don't know. RAC was able to step in & deliver top 10 defenses. Sure, he walked into a great roster. But we saw Rick focus more on the offensive side of the ball with BO'b & even though he's giving BO'b higher selected talent than he'd ever given Kubiak BO'b hasn't delivered anything close without Watson. That's not to exult Kubiak. He's merely our only reference. & to me it points to BO'bs inability to teach.
Rick is not perfect. I don't believe anyone is saying that. Only that we need to stop blaming Rick for BO'bs obvious problems.
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Rick Smith assembling a SB roster.
I'm in Denver and you're higher than I am.
Yep Rick concentrated on the offensive side of the ball so much he forgot the OL.
Cunningham> Dawkins in Ricky's world.
banned1976
sleeper mode
O’Briens obvious failures have been made on the sidelines and in his office. I’m not sure how much he affected personnel choices.
Since he’s been gone I don’t think I’ve written or said a word about Rick Smith and I don’t even think about Kubiak. They’re never coming back.
So far I’ve liked what Gaine has done. Coutee could be one of those rare slot receivers that can take it to the House from anywhere on the field. The rest of the draft looks solid. The Texans were able to bring in Tyrann in the offseason to complete the safety overhaul that was desperately needed. Shortly after Fuller went on IR, Gaine and company was able to sign a highly functional replacement.
The rest is on O’Brien. Yes, they’re beat up in the secondary but this is the time for BO’b to step his game up. He’s got to maneuver this team through adversity and squeeze every once of ability out of the guys that are available. If he can’t do that he should be back on the hot seat. He hasn’t convinced me I made a mistake in jumping off the BO’b bandwagon. Change my mind, BO’b.
I'm worried about this game.
Watson coming off of a punctured lung.
The secondary beaten up.
Miller/Chubb vs Davenport/Lamm I just threw up in my mouth a little.
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
The question then becomes has BoB gotten the most out of what he’s had to work with. That is an unquestionable yes.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Show me a team with a star qb and i’ll show you a HC who’s been bailed out by said star qb. Comes with the territory. Can’t hold it any more against BoB than you would a Mike McCarthy or a Bill Belichick.
That's fair.
Kubiak did well with Flacco and a ready-to-retired Manning.
They weren't stars.
Jimmy Garoppolo wasn't a star.
Zimmer got a lot out of Keenum.
McVay got things out of Goff that Fisher can't.
Don't leave out what Shanny Jr. got out of Nick Mullens just this past Thursday.
Nick Who? you ask
...exactly
No, no, no, absolutely no...
Well, maybe.
No in so far as he's been given way more than Kubiak as far as "draft capital" but he's never been able to field a good offense, except with Watson. Sure, he's been hampered at the QB position, but he hand picked Hoyer. Kubiak turned Matt Sloth into a league passing leader in a system he did not fit. That's coaching.
Take what you got & make it functional. Make the whole better than the pieces. I can't blame Rick Smith for the bottom of the league offenses BO'b built even if Rick gave him junk. Had he fielded middle of the league offenses... Maybe. If He weren't switching QBs every three weeks, maybe. If He would design off tackle runs for the guy built to run off tackle & power runs for the guy built for a power game, then yeah. I'd give BO'b the benefit of the doubt.
But to predictably call the same three plays in the Red Zone week after week... it ain't the GM's fault your offense sucks.
Now, what we've seen from the offensive line the last three weeks, the actual growth we're seeing there, sure the competition is weaker, but that doesn't account for the reduction in penalties or the fact that we're actually twisting our thumb in an opponents weakness.... That's coaching & that's where I say maybe.
Maybe we're seeing a whole new BO'b who is looking for solutions & not problems.
austins23
Hall of Fame
We're talkin bout the Raiders! The Raiders....
Having said that I was excited for the kid and I hope continues to do well.
Sonny
TexSon Proud
The more I think about it.. an NFL GM has got to be the easiest f♡ckin job on the planet.
Salaries are pretty much standard operating procedure going by the law of averages per position per team.
You've got a dozen professional scouts that work for you putting together numbers and game tape for a couple hundred of the best athletes in the country of which a GM watches, and this is a high estimate, a few hours a week to determine who they want depending on who's left on the board.
Gauging talent that's already been in the league is a no-brainer as you've got proof of capabilities at this level.
It's kind of a joke.. and at the same time sad there are only 32 openings for this 7 figure vacation.
Salaries are pretty much standard operating procedure going by the law of averages per position per team.
You've got a dozen professional scouts that work for you putting together numbers and game tape for a couple hundred of the best athletes in the country of which a GM watches, and this is a high estimate, a few hours a week to determine who they want depending on who's left on the board.
Gauging talent that's already been in the league is a no-brainer as you've got proof of capabilities at this level.
It's kind of a joke.. and at the same time sad there are only 32 openings for this 7 figure vacation.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
Getting a lot out of a young inexperienced Qb is one thing but the true test to see if a Qb and his coordinator are a good fit takes more than a couple of impressive performances against sub par defenses. Plus if there is nothing in the way of a pro scouting report on a kid that helps. Jimmy Garoppolo looked good in winning six games last season and yet this season he as well as the 49ers seem to have regressed. This Nick Mullens kid lit it up against a Raiders team that has no confidence and are reeling. I doubt the kid ends up a starting Qb for long if he starts at all beyond the one game.
I offer that example to contrast what Savage's first start looked like after, what, 3-4 years under O'Brien. I'll give you a partial concession because Tom Savage faced a better defense in Jacksonville compared to the aforementioned Raiders.
Still... you'll not convince me that Shanny Jr. wouldn't have had Savage better prepared.
...actually, I believe Shanny Jr. would have started Watson.
Lol. Delusional much?
Jimmy G only had some rust in his first game back.
He threw for 4TDs without an INT the next two games before he got injured again.
Look at Watson at the beginning of the season.
He was rusted as heck.
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