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What's up with Tennessee? Why are they having a hard time getting a coach? I would think they have top notch football facilities and their stadium holds a hundred thousand give or take. I know they have been recruiting well the last few years so I don't think the "cupboards" are bare. So what's the problem? Is it $$$$?
 
TexansSeminole said:
I have to echo @Mollywhopper about Jimbo. He’s done a great job with the program, and I will always appreciate that, but this constant butting of heads has got to end. We lost 3 commitments last night and it’s only going to get worse as long as there is no clarity. I’m ready to move on. That probably sounds like a spoiled fan, but I’d love to keep him if a) he was committed, and b) he would take a serious look at firing some of his assistants. What isn’t being talked about in the national media is that almost all of the good assistants at FSU have moved on to bigger jobs over the years and the only coaches left are the coaches nobody else wants to hire. Jimbo has never fired an assistant at FSU. The defensive coordinator is terrible and the offensive line coach is mediocre at best. I think Jimbo wants full control, which he essentially has, but I believe he has been pressured to make changes and he doesn’t like that. I think that’s been going on for 2 years now. He’s being stubborn. I keep hearing about facilities, but it’s been reported many times that FSU is committed to a football only, state of the art facility, but location and land acquisition has been the primary reason for its delay, not an unwillingness by FSU.

The way in which Jimbo is handling his exit has not been gracious. I believe he is knowingly sticking it to FSU to an extent. It’s been reported that recruits haven’t been contacted for over a month. He’s not even been selling the university out of respect, he just quit on that front. FSU can’t fire him either, he negotiated a buyout that prevents that.

Interesting tidbit here is that there is a rumor that he and A&M have been negotiating since September, which would partially explain the poor year, although I am sure the year was always going to be a down year regardless.

I’m not sure why FSU isn’t doing background work on Venables at Clemson. Perhaps they want someone with HC experience, but I’d still like to see them take a look.
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If I were A&M this is something that would bother me. To spend all that money getting him here and giving him full control and let him bring all "his" coaches could end up a bad deal that they get stuck with for a long time. I don't mind a coach who has loyalty to his assistants but he has to know when it's time to "cut bait" if an assistant is not doing a good job. JMO.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I’m not sure why FSU isn’t doing background work on Venables at Clemson. Perhaps they want someone with HC experience, but I’d still like to see them take a look.
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Agreed that any decent AD should be doing all the homework he can on Venables, the guy's been terrific. But he's got a son joining the Tigers next season and another son who was just offered by Clemson as well. He also seems fiercely loyal and patient enough to not be lured so easily. Just saying, don't think he's coming unmoored anytime soon.

What so you think of the three names being floated/vetted as of now ... Taggert, Strong, and Fuente? I'd be thrilled with Fuente, good with Taggert, and cautiously optimistic with Strong.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Agreed that any decent AD should be doing all the homework he can on Venables, the guy's been terrific. But he's got a son joining the Tigers next season and another son who was just offered by Clemson as well. He also seems fiercely loyal and patient enough to not be lured so easily. Just saying, don't think he's coming unmoored anytime soon.

What so you think of the three names being floated/vetted as of now ... Taggert, Strong, and Fuente? I'd be thrilled with Fuente, good with Taggert, and cautiously optimistic with Strong.
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I think Strong is a Florida recruiting beast, or atleast he used to be. I know he can coach defense, can he hire good assistants? Taggart I don’t know a lot about. I like that Fuente was smart enough to keep Bud Foster around and he knows offense.

I’d hire whoever can get good assistants and who also is a great recruiter. Fuente seems to be more that guy than anyone else, but the VT job isn’t exactly a bad job.
 
Insideop said:
If I were A&M this is something that would bother me. To spend all that money getting him here and giving him full control and let him bring all "his" coaches could end up a bad deal that they get stuck with for a long time. I don't mind a coach who has loyalty to his assistants but he has to know when it's time to "cut bait" if an assistant is not doing a good job. JMO.
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To his credit, he had a great staff early on, for the most part. Pruitt and then Stoops at defensive coordinator were excellent, for example. His issue has been letting go when it’s become clear that a hire isn’t working out. I’m not saying all the assistants at FSU are bad, but there are most definitely some bad ones and they’ve really hurt the team over the past 2 or 3 years.
 
What bowl game are the Houston Cougars in? I can't wait to see where they end up playing. It's always nice to try and win any bowl game. I'm very proud of their 7-4 record and bowl eligibility this year. After a sluggish start and key injuries they still had a decent year in 2017. We even beat a #17 ranked USF team on the road. Major Applewhite's rookie year as head coach turned out to be a good one.

Tom Herman went 6-6 in his first year at Texas and barely qualified for a bowl game. The local newspapers in Austin gave him a "C grade" for his first year coaching there. He played a much tougher schedule, obviously, than what he would have had staying in Houston. So much high expectations at UT. But I hope making all that extra money was worth it to him. What sucks is he would have made a lot more money staying at U of H, at least for the next few years, had we been invited to join the Big 12 Conference. He had a $5 million dollar bonus kicker in his contract.

I guess things turned out for the best though...
I'm liking what Major Applewhite is doing with this team.
I'd like to move into a major power five conferece one day.

If we can join a Power 5 that would help our recruiting efforts! We've beaten some really strong nationally ranked teams in recent years. Even knocked out Florida State in the peach bowl a few years back. We shut down Lamar Jackson and a heavily ranked Louisville team when they were talking final four playoffs and hyping him up as a sure fire Heisman winner last year. We took down mighty Oklahoma when they were one of the best teams in the country entering the year.
 
Insideop said:
What's up with Tennessee? Why are they having a hard time getting a coach? I would think they have top notch football facilities and their stadium holds a hundred thousand give or take. I know they have been recruiting well the last few years so I don't think the "cupboards" are bare. So what's the problem? Is it $$$$?
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Trash fan base with crazy unrealistic expectations and an incompetent administration. Nobody is leaving a good situation to jump into that mess right now. I wouldn't be surprised if they are forced to go with Hoke for a year.
 
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As someone who has been through it, you FSU guys do not want Strong. I was all about him. He's a great guy. Like a truly great guy, unlike most college coaches. And he knows defense. But he is not detail-oriented at all and cannot handle all the multiple tasks that come with a job of that caliber. The things I've heard about him and his staff since he left Texas are embarrassing to a level that cannot possibly be defended.
 
bah007 said:
As someone who has been through it, you FSU guys do not want Strong. I was all about him. He's a great guy. Like a truly great guy, unlike most college coaches. And he knows defense. But he is not detail-oriented at all and cannot handle all the multiple tasks that come with a job of that caliber. The things I've heard about him and his staff since he left Texas are embarrassing to a level that cannot possibly be defended.
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Kinda the vibe I've gotten. Why I don't have him high up the list. Really easy to root for, very good at some important things, just don't have a ton of confidence in his ability to manage a top-tier pressure cooker program.



And so looks now like Mike Leach to Tennessee. May not be a world-beater, but all things considered..
 
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Mollywhopper said:
Kinda the vibe I've gotten. Why I don't have him high up the list. Really easy to root for, very good at some important things, just don't have a ton of confidence in his ability to manage a top-tier pressure cooker program.



And so looks now like Mike Leach to Tennessee. May not be a world-beater, but all things considered..
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This is what they were reporting on 610 this morning. That would be an interesting hire!
 
F*ck him. Come on Fuente or Taggart.

Nonetheless, updated..

Open Jobs:
Arizona St.
Arkansas
Florida- Dan Mullen
Florida St.
Georgia Southern
Mississippi St. - Joe Moorhead
Nebraska
Ole Miss- Matt Luke
Oregon St.- Jonathan Smith
Rice
South Alabama
Tennessee
Texas A&M- Jimbo Fisher
UCF
UCLA- Chip Kelly
UTEP
 
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Mollywhopper said:
F*ck him. Come on Fuente or Taggart.

Nonetheless, updated..

Open Jobs:
Arizona St.
Arkansas
Florida- Dan Mullen
Florida St.
Georgia Southern
Mississippi St. - Joe Moorhead
Nebraska
Ole Miss- Matt Luke
Oregon St.- Jonathan Smith
Rice
South Alabama
Tennessee
Texas A&M- Jimbo Fisher
UCF
UCLA- Chip Kelly
UTEP
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Didn't know you were an FSU fan. It's been a nice few decades of uninterrupted coaching. I wonder how y'all will fare without it.
 
htownfan32 said:
Didn't know you were an FSU fan. It's been a nice few decades of uninterrupted coaching. I wonder how y'all will fare without it.
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Haven't had a coaching search in literally my lifetime. The Bowden/Jimbo succession was terrific, and was just the right kick in the ass the program so sorely needed after much complacency in Bobby's waning years. But enough is enough and I don't really care to have any legit hard feelings for Fisher. There was mutual gain all the way around in his eight years. His exit will always leave a bit of a bad taste because at best the optics were bad and at worst he acted like a bit of a obnoxious sh*t head, but he also did a ton to build the infrastructure of the program as well of course putting the Noles back into on the field prominence. So like I said, and as unemotionally as one could actually say it, f*ck him. Next man up.

Best job on the market at the moment and reports are that Oregon is already preparing their own coaching search with a seemingly inevitable offer for Willie Taggart being drawn up. I'd be perfectly content with this. Taggart has an extensive history in Florida football as a former high school state champion player and after turning a flailing USF program around. So, and assuming this comes to pass, I'll gladly take the promise of his upside right now over dealing with continuous year after year talk of what Jimbo wanted and who he was flirting with to leverage his getting it.

Exciting times (one way or another) ahead for both A&M and FSU.
 
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htownfan32 said:
Fisher just stepped down as FSU HC, to accept A&M job by Monday
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Well that ended on a sour note for Fisher at FSU but, then again, this kind of thing usually does!

I still don't know if this is the right hire for A&M and I wonder how it will affect next years recruiting class as well as future classes. I know FSU lost some recruits in the last few days with all the speculation going on with Fisher but I haven't heard anything about A&M's recruit's since Sumlin was let go. Does anyone think this will help A&M's recruiting, or hurt it?
 
Insideop said:
Well that ended on a sour note for Fisher at FSU but, then again, this kind of thing usually does!

I still don't know if this is the right hire for A&M and I wonder how it will affect next years recruiting class as well as future classes. I know FSU lost some recruits in the last few days with all the speculation going on with Fisher but I haven't heard anything about A&M's recruit's since Sumlin was let go. Does anyone think this will help A&M's recruiting, or hurt it?
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You know, I don’t know if it’ll be a good hire either. My gut says it will, because he can change a program pretty quickly and he is one hell of a recruiter. He’s had some good assistants in the past, so he may (probably will) hire an initial staff that will be stellar. I bet they’ll be good pretty quickly. The only question is whether or not he has learned from his mistakes at FSU, and it’s very possible that he has.
 
TexansSeminole said:
You know, I don’t know if it’ll be a good hire either. My gut says it will, because he can change a program pretty quickly and he is one hell of a recruiter. He’s had some good assistants in the past, so he may (probably will) hire an initial staff that will be stellar. I bet they’ll be good pretty quickly. The only question is whether or not he has learned from his mistakes at FSU, and it’s very possible that he has.
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Changing a program quickly is one thing, long term success is another! Sumlin changed the program at A&M quickly (11-2 first year) on the backs of Sherman's recruits, and then it fell into mediocrity (8 wins after) with mostly his recruits. Will Fisher do the same? Also, do you think Fisher will retain any of Sumlin's staff or clean house? Will he bring some with him from FSU? Lots of questions that only time will tell!
 
TexansSeminole said:
You know, I don’t know if it’ll be a good hire either. My gut says it will, because he can change a program pretty quickly and he is one hell of a recruiter. He’s had some good assistants in the past, so he may (probably will) hire an initial staff that will be stellar. I bet they’ll be good pretty quickly. The only question is whether or not he has learned from his mistakes at FSU, and it’s very possible that he has.
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Just saw this over at rivals.com: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...at-texas-a-m&usg=AOvVaw0Nf-QmLcTskhJ8PWECe8Ab
 
Insideop said:
Changing a program quickly is one thing, long term success is another! Sumlin changed the program at A&M quickly (11-2 first year) on the backs of Sherman's recruits, and then it fell into mediocrity (8 wins after) with mostly his recruits. Will Fisher do the same? Also, do you think Fisher will retain any of Sumlin's staff or clean house? Will he bring some with him from FSU? Lots of questions that only time will tell!
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Manziel changed the program and he wasn't even a Sumlin recruit.

Once JM was gone the A&M program reverted beck to their usual ways under Sumlin.

I see Fisher doing really well if he can recruit some great asst coaches. He's got in roads to both Texas and Florida recruiting bases. Fisher is also a great gameday/playcaller, something Sumlin was only avg at best with. Give Fisher a 4 TD lead in the 2nd half and I can guarantee you that a UCLA debacle wont happen.

Time for Herman to step up his game.
 
The State of Texas should seriously look at helping Houston gain an invite into the Big 12 (10). If not, I'd be all for a new and improved Southwest Conference. They have the viewership capability to compete with any conference if they field a good product. Might have a better chance of keeping that locally developed HS talent in state.

The biggest key, convince Texas A&M to come back home and compete in state. The next pivotal piece could be Oklahoma State and the deep pockets of Pickens. A&M has got to see the writing on the wall well enough to know that they're never going to compete with Alabama as long as Sabah is on the scene.

Their strategy would have to be the development of the first Super Conference...16 teams. The BIG 10...12 could do this by taking a proactive stance.

2 or 4 Divisions, what would y'all prefer? I'd like to think that 4 divisions would create a more exciting and lucrative Playoff scenario.

How could the divisions be set?

North
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas State
Kansas

South
Texas A&M
Texas
TCU
SMU

East
Baylor
Houston
West Virginia
Arkansas

West
Texas Tech
BYU
Boise State
San Diego State

So this layout covers, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Arkansas, West Virginia, Utah, Idaho and California. That would be fairly nice coverage geographically.

I think this would be favorable to A&M and Arkansas since they would be in a Conference where their chances of winning and recruiting go up expedentiously versus competing with the teams within the SEC. Some of the schools have smaller stadiums but they could catch up in due time. All 4 time zones are represented and if this Super Conference was established, I don't think Network coverage will be an issue.

I just wish the BIG10(12) officials would get around to seeing the bigger picture.
 
Insideop said:
Well that ended on a sour note for Fisher at FSU but, then again, this kind of thing usually does!

I still don't know if this is the right hire for A&M and I wonder how it will affect next years recruiting class as well as future classes. I know FSU lost some recruits in the last few days with all the speculation going on with Fisher but I haven't heard anything about A&M's recruit's since Sumlin was let go. Does anyone think this will help A&M's recruiting, or hurt it?
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FSU's class took a bit of a hit, but A&M's class only lost one person. Leon O'Neal decommitted because he went to some FSU camp but was not given an offer, so I imagine there are some sour grapes between him and Fisher. Other than that the class is holding up. On the bright side the #1 WR in the country, Terrace Marshall, was picking between LSU, A&M, and FSU. I imagine now his decision has just been narrowed down to A&M and LSU.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
The State of Texas should seriously look at helping Houston gain an invite into the Big 12 (10). If not, I'd be all for a new and improved Southwest Conference. They have the viewership capability to compete with any conference if they field a good product. Might have a better chance of keeping that locally developed HS talent in state.

The biggest key, convince Texas A&M to come back home and compete in state. The next pivotal piece could be Oklahoma State and the deep pockets of Pickens. A&M has got to see the writing on the wall well enough to know that they're never going to compete with Alabama as long as Sabah is on the scene.

Their strategy would have to be the development of the first Super Conference...16 teams. The BIG 10...12 could do this by taking a proactive stance.

2 or 4 Divisions, what would y'all prefer? I'd like to think that 4 divisions would create a more exciting and lucrative Playoff scenario.

How could the divisions be set?

North
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas State
Kansas

South
Texas A&M
Texas
TCU
SMU

East
Baylor
Houston
West Virginia
Arkansas

West
Texas Tech
BYU
Boise State
San Diego State

So this layout covers, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Arkansas, West Virginia, Utah, Idaho and California. That would be fairly nice coverage geographically.

I think this would be favorable to A&M and Arkansas since they would be in a Conference where their chances of winning and recruiting go up expedentiously versus competing with the teams within the SEC. Some of the schools have smaller stadiums but they could catch up in due time. All 4 time zones are represented and if this Super Conference was established, I don't think Network coverage will be an issue.

I just wish the BIG10(12) officials would get around to seeing the bigger picture.
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Lol A&M will never, ever, ever come back to a Texas based league. I'll eat a sock if that happens in the next twenty years.
 
htownfan32 said:
Lol A&M will never, ever, ever come back to a Texas based league. I'll eat a sock if that happens in the next twenty years.
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And A&M will never see an NCAA CFB Championship unless they somehow convince Saban to leave Alabama. That's some tough reality.
 
htownfan32 said:
Lol A&M will never, ever, ever come back to a Texas based league. I'll eat a sock if that happens in the next twenty years.
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A&M still butthurt over not joining in with UT in the LHN?

# Little Brother inferiority complex.
 
Georgia up 21-7. They should take this home but this wouldn't be the first time a Georgia team choked in a championship game in 2017
 
steelbtexan said:
Lol

Typical
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For the record I didn't graduate from UT. My brother did. But I will be willing to put my expertise in my field up against yours in your field any day and twice on Sunday. But unlike you I'm not interested in getting into who's d!ck is bigger contest. I'm quite content with my place in life and hope you are too.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
The State of Texas should seriously look at helping Houston gain an invite into the Big 12 (10). If not, I'd be all for a new and improved Southwest Conference. They have the viewership capability to compete with any conference if they field a good product. Might have a better chance of keeping that locally developed HS talent in state.

The biggest key, convince Texas A&M to come back home and compete in state. The next pivotal piece could be Oklahoma State and the deep pockets of Pickens. A&M has got to see the writing on the wall well enough to know that they're never going to compete with Alabama as long as Sabah is on the scene.

Their strategy would have to be the development of the first Super Conference...16 teams. The BIG 10...12 could do this by taking a proactive stance.

2 or 4 Divisions, what would y'all prefer? I'd like to think that 4 divisions would create a more exciting and lucrative Playoff scenario.

How could the divisions be set?

North
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Kansas State
Kansas

South
Texas A&M
Texas
TCU
SMU

East
Baylor
Houston
West Virginia
Arkansas

West
Texas Tech
BYU
Boise State
San Diego State

So this layout covers, Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Arkansas, West Virginia, Utah, Idaho and California. That would be fairly nice coverage geographically.

I think this would be favorable to A&M and Arkansas since they would be in a Conference where their chances of winning and recruiting go up expedentiously versus competing with the teams within the SEC. Some of the schools have smaller stadiums but they could catch up in due time. All 4 time zones are represented and if this Super Conference was established, I don't think Network coverage will be an issue.

I just wish the BIG10(12) officials would get around to seeing the bigger picture.
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Do you understand why A&M left the Big 12 along with Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri? If you did you would know why they will never come back as long as UT will not revenue share equally among the schools. It's not advantageous money wise for A&M, or any of the other schools that left, to come back. Eventually, Saban will leave (He's 66 yrs old) and then it should get back to a more balanced division in the SEC West.
 
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htownfan32 said:
If they do, I really hope Wiscy takes care of business because I don't want the whole "2-loss Ohio State vs. 1 loss Bama, who gets in" shitshow that will inevitably happen.
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Well, get ready for the "sh!tshow" because Ohio St won! I was hoping Wisconsin would win too. Now the picture is muddier than ever. They don't want 2 teams from the same conference getting in so Bama may be out. I figure they will put Georgia in based on their conference win and Ohio St will sneak in there to represent the Big Ten even though they are ranked #8 (3 spots lower than Bama). Saban will be pissed but that loss to Auburn late in the season is a killer! This will probably spur the debate to expand the number of teams to 6 or 8 next year.
 
Insideop said:
Do you understand why A&M left the Big 12 along with Nebraska, Colorado, and Missouri? If you did you would know why they will never come back as long as UT will not revenue share equally among the schools. It's not advantageous money wise for A&M, or any of the other schools that left, to come back. Eventually, Saban will leave (He's 66 yrs old) and then it should get back to a more balanced division in the SEC West.
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Lol try again. Nebraska and A&M were a big reason why the conference had unequal revenue sharing. They voted for it when the conference was created. Hell, if the vote had failed A&M wasn't going to join at all.

A&M fits better in the SEC culturally. They've been trying to get into the SEC since before the Big XII was even formed. They finally got an invite. They took it. Good for them. It's a good fit. It has nothing to do with UT. The simpleminded contingent of A&M's fan base just can't move on.
 
Insideop said:
Did I miss something? When did UT say they would share the revenue from the LHN with the other schools in the Big 12?
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Texas wanted to do a joint network with A&M. A&M didn't want in. Didn't think it would be profitable. Texas made bank and then A&M threw a tantrum.

The entire conference signed off on the LHN. Nobody else wanted to do the legwork to get one started up. And then when it got picked up by ESPN it was all of a sudden unfair even though everybody else had the same opportunity but declined.
 
htownfan32 said:
Remind me, is Saban immortal?

We aren't leaving the SEC. It's made us the richest athletics department in the country, gross and net income.

http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
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Well, if the move did that much for A&M....close your eyes and imagine what a National Championship and a number one rated recruiting class could do for the school....hell, maybe even more than one.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
Well, if the move did that much for A&M....close your eyes and imagine what a National Championship and a number one rated recruiting class could do for the school....hell, maybe even more than one.
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I really don't buy the weaker competition argument, to be honest. I like the quality of football and the quality of the teams we play, I like the atmosphere, I like the road games, I like the fierce fans and intense rivalries.
 
bah007 said:
Texas wanted to do a joint network with A&M. A&M didn't want in. Didn't think it would be profitable. Texas made bank and then A&M threw a tantrum.

The entire conference signed off on the LHN. Nobody else wanted to do the legwork to get one started up. And then when it got picked up by ESPN it was all of a sudden unfair even though everybody else had the same opportunity but declined.
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Don't remember how true it is but IIRC A&M had a problem with UT exploring the possibility of airing Texas HS football and other UIL competitions on the Longhorn Network.
 
ATXtexanfan said:
I just don't see how you put Ohio State in over Bama

I guess we will see what happens.
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I don't know how Wisconsin didn't go in over Alabama if it was about losses. Hope the college football is happy about a third of the country tuning out. I've talked/text quite a few people the last half hour and none are tuning in for any of the playoffs.

Should just put in every SEC school that didn't fire a coach

It's not about the conference championship, its about not having two teams from a weak SEC in.
 
bah007 said:
Lol try again. Nebraska and A&M were a big reason why the conference had unequal revenue sharing. They voted for it when the conference was created. Hell, if the vote had failed A&M wasn't going to join at all.
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bah007 said:
A&M fits better in the SEC culturally. They've been trying to get into the SEC since before the Big XII was even formed. They finally got an invite. They took it. Good for them. It's a good fit. It has nothing to do with UT. The simpleminded contingent of A&M's fan base just can't move on.
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Do you have a link to back this up? Can't imagine why Nebraska and A&M would vote for unequal revenue sharing unless they thought they were going to get a bigger piece of the pie. If that's the case then I can understand why they would vote for it. I just don't remember that being the case.
 
It was the case and the topic has been brought up numerous times on this board. You can search for previous posts or threads for links. I already did the research before and posted it. Not doing it again.
 
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