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ObsiWan said:
Maybe I missed it, but no one in this conversation has said he was "in the right" for hitting her. The question is, what level of force or what degree of difference in, call it strength/size/ability to do damage, makes this altercation a criminal act and not just an altercation between a drunk person and a pissed off person??

Like SteelB asked, where is that line specifically defined? And I'll add, who gets to define it?
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Look up battery and that will pretty well describe what I think is just. Don't mean that in an "educate yourself" way but in a "I don't want to write it all out" way. The court gets to decide if a line has been crossed in regards to a criminal act.

Personally, I think people should be jailed with any type of violent behavior. It's those people, not drug offenders, that need to be jailed and taught a lesson. People too weak minded to operate without violence are all problems.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Personally, I think people should be jailed with any type of violent behavior. It's those people, not drug offenders, that need to be jailed and taught a lesson. People too weak minded to operate without violence are all problems.
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So you agree charges should have been brought against the girl?
 
thunderkyss said:
So you agree charges should have been brought against the girl?
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No. He followed her and basically forced a confontation. Is there any audio what was said? Looks like she was expecting him to follow and was trying to ignore him up until he said something and then she pushed him like "get outta here" and he lunged at her and she slapped him.
 
thunderkyss said:
My bad... so you agree she assaulted him?
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JB said:
No. He followed her and basically forced a confontation. Is there any audio what was said? Looks like she was expecting him to follow and was trying to ignore him up until he said something and then she pushed him like "get outta here" and he lunged at her and she slapped him.
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The part here about him lunging after the shove away is key as well. I haven't touched on it yet, but mostly because I was afraid it'd come off too wordy. But now it's been broached.

He came over to them. He postured with words toward the guy/friend. She shoved him away. He then lunged in an obviously aggressive manner. Then she fired back with all of her water pistol might before he went full nuclear on her, as he was seemingly geared up to do from the get go.

She battered him. Question is whether it was a result of his language and having initiated the mess to begin with. I only know the he said she said, but the video makes me inclined to believe her/her friend. If a court found his initiation was harmless and casual and she just freaked out, then sure, charge her. Otherwise this kid comes off looking like a Zimmerman looking for trouble then crying self-defense. Except there was no huge person on top of him bashing his head in. It was a girl a fraction of his size and ability that he was all too ready to tee off on.
 
In my opinion the line is intent to cause harm. In no way did she intend to cause harm with a push or a slap. He knew he was going to cause harm throwing a haymaker at her.

So anytime a women slaps a guy, it is "legally" acceptable for the guy to retaliate with haymakers? If he killed her would it have been self defense?
 
She should be charged for battery, in my opinion, yes. If he's insulting their party, egging on a physical confrontation (which is what I believe he's doing) or is acting as if he is going to follow them, she should call the authority. She's in a relatively crowded public area, so she shouldn't believe that she must strike at him prematurely, as if she's in some alley and it's her only chance at getting away from him. Either call someone or take steps to remove yourself. If he follows you, stay in public area and call police. You don't get to push and slap someone because they're being annoying.
 
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TexansSeminole said:
She should be charged for battery, in my opinion, yes. If he's insulting their party, egging on a physical confrontation (which is what I believe he's doing) or is acting as if he is going to follow them, she should call the authority. She's in a relatively crowded public area, so she shouldn't believe that she must strike at him prematurely, as if she's in some alley and it's her only chance at getting away from him. Either call someone or take steps to remove yourself. If he follows you, stay in public area and call police. You don't get to push and slap someone because they're being annoying.
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So nothing anyone could say would make you lose your temper and push them away? To forcefully tell them to go?
 
JB said:
So nothing anyone could say would make you lose your temper and push them away? To forcefully tell them to go?
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Oh, I'm sure it's possible that I'd push someone away in some rare circumstances. Would I ever jump up out of my seat and push someone and then slap them because they were talking ****? No. I've done enough dumb stuff to have learned not to do something so careless.

Have no sympathy for her either. She should be charged.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Oh, I'm sure it's possible that I'd push someone away in some rare circumstances. Would I ever jump up out of my seat and push someone and then slap them because they were talking ****? No. I've done enough dumb stuff to have learned not to do something so careless.

Have no sympathy for her either. She should be charged.
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yeah ok

Maybe it's a generational thing but getting slapped is nothing new for a guy. And the way he lunged at her after the shove I'm sure she reacted instead of thought. Without hearing the words exchanged it's hard to know the story. But if it's come down to a threatened woman being charged for slapping someone our country has turned into a bunch of liberal puhcees that don't care about right and wrong and prefer to punish everyone. Regardless of the showve and slap if you think it's kosher for him to knock her out I pity any woman you're ever in a relationship with
 
JB said:
yeah ok

Maybe it's a generational thing but getting slapped is nothing new for a guy. And the way he lunged at her after the shove I'm sure she reacted instead of thought. Without hearing the words exchanged it's hard to know the story. But if it's come down to a threatened woman being charged for slapping someone our country has turned into a bunch of liberal puhcees that don't care about right and wrong and prefer to punish everyone. Regardless of the showve and slap if you think it's kosher for him to knock her out I pity any woman you're ever in a relationship with
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Where did I say that's it's okay for him to knock her out? Read before you type, please.

Welcome to today's world. You don't get to duke it out with Luke across the block when you're a teenager anymore. You get thrown in jail. You don't get "boys will be boys" anymore. Women don't get to just jump up and slap men or vice versa because their annoyed anymore either. Things have changed.

I pity anyone who can't think of another way to handle a situation in which someone is being threatening and talking some mild ****, other than to push and slap them, late night at a grub spot. They need to learn some things or are just plain stupid.

I believe in people being responsible for their own actions regardless of their race, gender and state of mind. This notion that she's a lady and is therefore excused is 50's ****, sorry.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Welcome to today's world. You don't get to duke it out with Luke across the block when you're a teenager anymore. You get thrown in jail. You don't get "boys will be boys" anymore. Women don't get to just jump up and slap men or vice versa because their annoyed anymore either. Things have changed.

I pity anyone who can't think of another way to handle a situation in which someone is being threatening and talking some mild ****, other than to push and slap them, late night at a grub spot. They need to learn some things or are just plain stupid.

I believe in people being responsible for their own actions regardless of their race, gender and state of mind. This notion that she's a lady and is therefore excused is 50's ****, sorry.
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Happily I don't think most of America agrees with you. You saying she just jumped up and pushed and slapped him makes me question if you've really watched the video. No one said she should be excused, I said she shouldn't be charged with a criminal offense. Without having the full audio makes opinions like a$$holes.

I'm not gonna change your mind and you're not gonna change mine but you're wrong. Just flat out wrong and I'm glad I don't live in your
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Ok then. Spoken like someone who's not been out at 2:45 am to grab some food in quite some time. It's not abnormal for people to be drunk and talk **** in such a situation. If everyone reacted by pushing others or knocking their bones out of their face, it'd be a big problem. Fortunately, not everyone shares this machismo attitude and can actually problem solve without violence, even when inebriated. I know, tough to understand.
 
And do you know they had been drinking? That is was 2:45 in the morning? If it could have been handled without violence, why didn't he handle it without any?
 
You must not have any daughters. Maybe that's my problem, I have 3 and can envision how I would have reacted if I was there. It seems like you want to lay the blame on her, and that comes across as someone with an agenda. Woman hater, racially motivated or something. If I'm wrong excuse me please. I am glad none of my daughters dated you
 
JB said:
You must not have any daughters. Maybe that's my problem, I have 3 and can envision how I would have reacted if I was there. It seems like you want to lay the blame on her, and that comes across as someone with an agenda. Woman hater, racially motivated or something. If I'm wrong excuse me please. I am glad none of my daughters dated you
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You'd be wrong. You need to step back and read all my posts in this thread.

Time stamp on video shows around 3:00am if I remember correctly.
 
@JB

Something you said on the board recently rang true for me. I believe it was you. You said that often we look for one person to be wrong in a situation and want to place all the blame on them. Oddly, I'm doing the opposite here. I'm saying both are at fault and should suffer the consequences.

And I've never dated anyone dumb enough to initiate physical contact with a man, especially of that size and strength. I'm sure you've raised your daughters to not be so absent minded as well.
 
TexansSeminole said:
@JB

Something you said on the board recently rang true for me. I believe it was you. You said that often we look for one person to be wrong in a situation and want to place all the blame on them. Oddly, I'm doing the opposite here. I'm saying both are at fault and should suffer the consequences.

And I've never dated anyone dumb enough to initiate physical contact with a man, especially of that size and strength. I'm sure you've raised your daughters to not be so absent minded as well.
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Oddly I do agree with your first statement. I do agree that both should be held accountable but their actions were not equal nor should be the punishment. And hers certainly shouldn't be criminal. His response was not justified. I agree that both are guilty of something and I think that there is more to the story than we know. I still think that any dude that uses his fist on a woman that is not threatening his life is the lowest of the low and the scum of the world.
 
JB said:
Oddly I do agree with your first statement. I do agree that both should be held accountable but their actions were not equal nor should be the punishment. And hers certainly shouldn't be criminal. His response was not justified. I agree that both are guilty of something and I think that there is more to the story than we know. I still think that any dude that uses his fist on a woman that is not threatening his life is the lowest of the low and the scum of the world.
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I agree with all of that, except that she shouldn't be criminally charged. I don't know the chances of her being convicted, but I'd venture to say that if she were a man in a similar circumstance, he'd be charged for sure and most likely convicted. I'm still not sure that she wouldn't be. I obviously think she should be.

He's a POS, agreed. I agree that he was looking for a confrontation and was obviously instrumental in her lashing out. I agree that he shouldn't be punching her even after she pushes him and slaps him, but that doesn't absolve her from responsibility. From what we saw, he was all words until she initiated contact.

I probably sound more gung ho against her because I was repeatedly asked if she was in the wrong. He got off light and was rightfully charged. If it were FSU, I'd wish that he wasn't on the team anymore.
 
JB said:
Regardless of the showve and slap if you think it's kosher for him to knock her out...
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I think he overreacted. still...

If I were the responding officer, I'd have let them both go unless they damaged the restaurant's property. disorderly conduct.

She still has the right to sue. Civil courts can make him pay her medical bills if they see fit. the school can decide if they want him representing their school.

It was two kids in a fight. that she was a girl picking a fight with someone she shouldn't have (the video shows dude was talking to the dude until she decided to play fonzy) doesn't warrant special attention in the eyes of the law.

If I were one of his teammates I'd let him know how little I think of him, probably pick my own fight.

Sticks & stones & all that, but touch me & that's your ass.

My mom can beat the living **** out of me. My wife gets a long leash, my daughter's... I can't think of a reason for them to hit me. but I don't bully them, I don't use violence to get my way.

But some skank at the waffle house... she want to act like a man...
 
thunderkyss said:
that she was a girl picking a fight with someone she shouldn't have (the video shows dude was talking to the dude until she decided to play fonzy) doesn't warrant special attention in the eyes of the law.

But some skank at the waffle house... she want to act like a man...
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Wow
 
JB said:
You must not have any daughters. Maybe that's my problem, I have 3 and can envision how I would have reacted if I was there. It seems like you want to lay the blame on her, and that comes across as someone with an agenda. Woman hater, racially motivated or something. If I'm wrong excuse me please. I am glad none of my daughters dated you
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I have one daughter and she has her concealed handgun license. I'm pretty sure all of the guys she's dated know this.
She just turned 30 and no one has ever tried to lay a hand on her.
But then she picks her friends carefully. More carefully than this woman did.
And she's got better sense not to get physical against someone twice her size. If she feels seriously threatened, she's more likely to shoot him.
 
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"The gay dude ... he called me something," Mixon said in the video. "He was like n-----. So then I was like, you got me messed up. And then I called him a f-g. And after that, the girl, she dropped her purse, that's when she came in my face, pushed me, and then my glasses came off, and then, like, I had, like, jumped at her, like, to watch out. And then she came in my face. I put my head down. And she swung on me.

"And after that, like, I was so shocked, because she hit me so hard. It felt like a dude hit me. And after that, like, my face went boom, my reaction was just right there."

"after that, the girl, I guess she got scared or what, she went up inside, and she went to talk to the person that I came there with [teammate David Smith], and I guess she knew him or whatever."

"So when she went inside, she was talking about how we were trying to jump her. So that's when the dude [Molitor's friend] went inside, and I followed the dude. That's when I interrupted her, and I was talking to Sooner Dave [Smith], talking about how nobody was trying to jump her, we had no problem with her, she was just being disrespectful, you know ... smoking in my face and acting crazy."

"I pretty much had a point in the store where we got into it, and I was like, you know, she being disrespectful, I felt like I should have left it alone," Mixon said. "But then once the dude called me the [slur], I mean, it pretty much got my, you know, thoughts off of the whole situation. That's when it just escalated."

"I mean, even though she pushed me, I didn't think she was going to hit me," Mixon said. "I was so shocked, because she hit me so hard, it felt like really like a dude hit me. And then, like, my face just started ringing. And after that, like, it was just like a reaction."

"I just felt, I was like ... what I got myself into?" Mixon said. "And then once I left, I mean, I felt bad. Even though she hit me and it hurt, I mean, it was just like the fact that you know me, you know, being out of character and, you know, putting myself into a certain situation. I just started thinking about the future and everything else."
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What a dumby. Low IQ and hits women, but he's still going to get that college degree on full scholarship.

He sounds like an uneducated middle-schooler.
 
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TexansSeminole said:
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What a dumby. Low IQ and hits women, but he's still going to get that college degree on full scholarship.

He sounds like an uneducated middle-schooler.
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Wow, his description of the events says it all doesn't it. First, his glasses came off when he jumped at her like a fool, he didn't even move when she pushed him. If he really thinks that is what a dude hits like than I want a swing at him. She actually decelerates her slap and almost stopped her swing (if you can call it that) before making minimal contact to his neck.

He says it all in the interview, he felt disrespected. That slap was nothing more than her disrespecting him, the same as a guy putting his finger in your face or chest, caused no pain other than to his pride. Instead of showing any remorse for breaking a girls face he talks about how he was disrespected and how it could affect his future and what he got himself into. Kids need to get over worrying about who respects or disrespects them, all you can control is who you respect - respect yourself, your family, and authority (teachers, coaches and police). Parents or mentors who deliver any other message to impressionable children are just setting the children they influence up for hard life.
 
Boc.a Rotan Bowl LT Forrest Lamp Memphis (eligible man) takes a pass from his QB and runs for TD. He could be a person Texans will look at. 6'4 1/4" approx 300 lbs good skills and ability to slide.
 
Good player .... great physical specimen .... arms like Billy Price .... he'll be in the NFL next year .... would fit nicely between Martin and RAMCZYK !!
 
gs27 said:
Wow, his description of the events says it all doesn't it. First, his glasses came off when he jumped at her like a fool, he didn't even move when she pushed him. If he really thinks that is what a dude hits like than I want a swing at him. She actually decelerates her slap and almost stopped her swing (if you can call it that) before making minimal contact to his neck.

He says it all in the interview, he felt disrespected. That slap was nothing more than her disrespecting him, the same as a guy putting his finger in your face or chest, caused no pain other than to his pride. Instead of showing any remorse for breaking a girls face he talks about how he was disrespected and how it could affect his future and what he got himself into. Kids need to get over worrying about who respects or disrespects them, all you can control is who you respect - respect yourself, your family, and authority (teachers, coaches and police). Parents or mentors who deliver any other message to impressionable children are just setting the children they influence up for hard life.
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I work at an inner city school and kids like Mixon grow on trees here. This is what happens when young males have no father figure to look up to.

This fake macho stuff is an epidemic. These kids don't have a positive male role model to show them what it truly is to be a real man. They perceive respect to be the same thing as fear. If somebody fears you then they respect you, and if they do not fear you they do not respect you. The more "respect" you have the more manly you are. Thus, the more people fear you the more manly you are.

So when this girl got in his face and showed no fear she was "challenging his manhood". In this situation, a real man walks away. Mixon decided to teach her some respect, ironically showing the rest of us that he is still a little boy and not a man.
 
This safety Demarius Travis for Minnesota is impressive. I've only watched two Minnesota games but he is always around the ball and he's an excellent tackler from what I've seen.
 
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steelbtexan said:
Missed the game. Is he a senior?
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Yeah, he had a medical redshirt last year after a hamstring injury during the first game. I'll definitely look more into him. He is one of those safeties that you can tell knows his and his teammate's assignments. Positions himself well on runs and short passes and finishes the play by finishing tackles. I can't say I saw him in a lot of downfield or challenged man coverage situations though.

He's apparently an excellent special teamer, which makes sense based on what I saw and have shared here. Texans need to improve with safety depth and it's always beneficial to get good special teams players that actually have potential to develop into more on offense/defense.
 
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Brad Kaaya had excellent numbers, but the eye test shows something different. He threw up two prayers that both got intercepted but were called PI. One was a legit call, the other wasn't, but he still threw up the duck for no good reason. His TDs were largely wide open receivers. Miami should have won that game by 30+ based on how WVU played.

Kaaya needs to stay in school, but even then I'm not interested. He's never won a big game, this would be the first, and too often completely fades in big games. He's way too inconsistent and lacks any real strong intangible.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Brad Kaaya had excellent numbers, but the eye test shows something different. He threw up two prayers that both got intercepted but were called PI. One was a legit call, the other wasn't, but he still threw up the duck for no good reason. His TDs were largely wide open receivers. Miami should have won that game by 30+ based on how WVU played.

Kaaya needs to stay in school, but even then I'm not interested. He's never won a big game, this would be the first, and too often completely fades in big games. He's way too inconsistent and lacks any real strong intangible.
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I don't put much stock in bowl game performances
 
Watching Bolles and one thing is for sure drafting him would improve the running game. That guy is nasty. A big improvement over Clark/Newton.
 
steelbtexan said:
Watching Bolles and one thing is for sure drafting him would improve the running game. That guy is nasty. A big improvement over Clark/Newton.
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I really like him too. His punch, aggression, foot quickness, armspan (I think), general seeming iq for the position ... all legitimate pluses. But goodness is he thin.

Can he carry another 15 or so pounds? Not knocking just cause either, honest eval question.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I really like him too. His punch, aggression, foot quickness, armspan (I think), general seeming iq for the position ... all legitimate pluses. But goodness is he thin.

Can he carry another 15 or so pounds? Not knocking just cause either, honest eval question.
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He's got a wierd body, but is around 295. With an offseason of professional S&C he will be in the 305- 310 range. He's never really had a S&C program coming from a junior college.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Brad Kaaya had excellent numbers, but the eye test shows something different. He threw up two prayers that both got intercepted but were called PI. One was a legit call, the other wasn't, but he still threw up the duck for no good reason. His TDs were largely wide open receivers. Miami should have won that game by 30+ based on how WVU played.

Kaaya needs to stay in school, but even then I'm not interested. He's never won a big game, this would be the first, and too often completely fades in big games. He's way too inconsistent and lacks any real strong intangible.
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He definitely has the physical tools but the intangibles and mental aspects seem to be really lacking. I really liked him coming into this season but I'm starting to get a Gabbert vibe from him.

Agree that he needs to stay in school. I am interested, but not as much as I was coming into the year. Definitely wouldn't use a 1st on him.
 
https://www.yahoo.com/sports/news/g...fter-feeling-jilted-by-the-cfp-163808257.html


Group of Five teams considering their own playoff after feeling jilted by the CFP
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Western Michigan coach P.J. Fleck has his team in a NY6 bowl this year. (Photo by David Banks/Getty Images)
Northern Illinois athletic director Sean Fraziertold ESPN.com on Wednesday that the Group of Five schools are contemplating forming their own playoff.

“It’s time to have a realistic conversation about creating a playoff for the Group of Five,” Frazier told ESPN. “Why not?”


As it stands, the Group of Five schools, which include programs from the American, Conference USA, Mid-American, Mountain West and Sun Belt conferences along with independents BYU, UMass and Army, have little chance of making the College Football Playoff.

This season, Western Michigan was one of two undefeated programs (Alabama) with wins against Big Ten foes Northwestern and Illinois and still only ascended to No. 15 in the College Football Playoff rankings. The Broncos ranked behind six Power Five teams with three losses and one Power Five team with four losses. Memphis notched the highest-ever Group of 5 ranking (in the CFP era) at No. 13 in 2015, but no team among the Group of Five has won a national title since 1984
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It doesn't matter. Group of 5 will never make it.

And having 2 extra games (assuming the group of 5 is a 4 team playoff) will likely just hurt the group of 5 team even if they somehow convinced the CFP to allow their winner in. 2 extra games = 2 extra games of injuries and battered and broken bodies. Now when you are battered and broken your reward is to play well rested blue chip players.

College Football likely will never be fixed in time before it is slowly eroded away into college basketball, but I've always been a fan of an 8 team playoff where maybe the "perceived" best group of 5 is an automatic entrant.
 
As bad as the Texans need OL, if Cook is there when they pick I would take him. He's a game changer. Miller/Cook things championships are made of.
 
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