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Houston Texans 2017 3rd round pick, D'onta Foreman, RB, Texas

CloakNNNdagger said:
Is this really where the Texans see his role?

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D’Onta Foreman to handle goal line carries for Texans?
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Will D’Onta Foreman have a big role for the Houston Texans?
As good as Lamar Miller was during his first season with the Houston Texans in 2016, it was obvious that he needed some help in the backfield.

The Texans made sure they upgraded their backfield this offseason after drafting running back D’Onta Foreman in the third round out of the University of Texas.

John McClain of the Houston Chronicle believes that Foreman will likely be the Texans’ short yardage and goal line back during his rookie season.

“I think Foreman will get the ball if they’re inside the five yard line,” said McClain. “And I also think he’ll get a chance he the short yardage and goal line. Lamar Miller needs to stay healthy. Because if he doesn’t and Foreman plays the way a lot of people think he will, we’re going to have to ask Lamar. Do you know who Wally Pipp was?”
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No, that's what John McClain of the Houston Chronicle thinks his role is...
 
I hate the kind of thinking that leads to "Put them on the scale and we'll the bigger one the goal line/short yardage back".

It's stupid and until you see whether he actually has a nose for the goal line and a knack for finding his way to it/past it I don't think Foreman's size over Miller makes any difference at all. I don't care if my goal line back is 5'7" and weighs 140 pounds. If that guy has wiggle and can pop through a crease consistently give him the rock.
 
Hervoyel said:
I hate the kind of thinking that leads to "Put them on the scale and we'll the bigger one the goal line/short yardage back".

It's stupid and until you see whether he actually has a nose for the goal line and a knack for finding his way to it/past it I don't think Foreman's size over Miller makes any difference at all. I don't care if my goal line back is 5'7" and weighs 140 pounds. If that guy has wiggle and can pop through a crease consistently give him the rock.
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That 5'7" 140lb back better have a damn good OL though.
 
Hervoyel said:
I hate the kind of thinking that leads to "Put them on the scale and we'll the bigger one the goal line/short yardage back".

It's stupid and until you see whether he actually has a nose for the goal line and a knack for finding his way to it/past it I don't think Foreman's size over Miller makes any difference at all. I don't care if my goal line back is 5'7" and weighs 140 pounds. If that guy has wiggle and can pop through a crease consistently give him the rock.
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I agree with this for 4th and short in the middle of the field where you can spread the defense out, but on the goal line everything is tightened up and it is very rare to get even a crease to go through unless you have a creative play that actually works.

Just because you are bigger doesn't necessarily make you a better goal line back, but it definitely helps. Most of the time they have to either move the pile or carry someone into the endzone. There is no debating we have been awful inside the 5 since Arian departed. The offensive line deserves much of the blame but so is not having a back that can give a little more umph. Hopefully Foreman can be a Matt Asiata type back for us on the goal line, until he shows he can fight for it we will not know.
 
But, it’s foolhardy to proclaim Foreman as JUST a short-yardage back, although he has the build and mindset of one. He had 49 runs of 10 yards or more and 16 runs of 20 yards or more in 2016. Most importantly, 98 of his 323 carries went for first downs, a staggering 30.3 percent - first in the nation. And, he got stronger as the game wore one as he had 27 runs of 10 yards or more and nine runs of 20 or more in the second halves of games (22 and 7, respectively, in the first half).

As it pertains to short yardage though, on 3rd-and-3 or less, Foreman had 31 carries and picked up first downs 20 times, 64.5 percent of the time; that mark was tied for third in the nation in 2016.
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and some info from same link on Foreman vs Baylor

Beck did the right thing, adjusting on the fly, and carrying Young all the way down the line of scrimmage. It was at this point that I realized Foreman was a different kind of 235 lb. tailback. In situations like this, most running backs would run right into that two-man mosh pit and then bounce or look for another hole that might have not been there. Too late.

What did Foreman do?

He just took a subtle side step, not even a jump cut, but a little shimmy to the left without slowing down one bit.

At this point, the eighth man in the box safety Orion Stewart was the only poor Baylor defender in the way. As Foreman stuck his foot back in the ground, he burst forward nearly immediately and clearly picked up the first down. Shortly thereafter, though, Stewart made contact with Foreman. He hit Foreman at the 49-yard line. Foreman eventually ended the journey at the 40-yard line, nine yards later. He ran through Stewart as if he didn’t even exist, kept his legs churning and only came to a rest when the backside safety cut his legs out. The Longhorns scored a few plays later to tie the game at seven.

After getting the ball back after a turnover, the Longhorns called the exact same play on 1st-and-10. This time, Young did not wrong arm yet Stewart expected to meet him on the outside. Only Foreman read the blocking up front and saw a hole emerge in the middle of the defense. He burst through untouched for a 37-yard touchdown. And, by run, I mean, a 235 lb. tailback sprinting away from Baylor’s secondary players.

Power. Quick feet. Vision. Determination. Speed. Foreman displayed all those traits throughout his junior year at Texas, encapsulated in this successful run against Baylor.
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http://www.houstontexans.com/news/a...ng-style/5566f019-1360-41e3-8711-f5bdd3a32b1b
 

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CloakNNNdagger said:
The link you posted showed examples in mid field. The dynamics tend to become much different on goal line stands. One of Foreman's major criticisms were his ability to be a 3rd down back in the NFL.
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I agree; just posted info I had not seen on TT before.
 
TheKDog said:
Lamar Miller is gonna turn into an expensive 3rd down back
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If that happens, we are going to be in for a very interesting season. A concern would be if RBs are that good, Fuller becomes what he was drafted for, how will DHop perform? He is gonna want IMO the ball targeting him to get the new fatty contract.
 
IDEXAN said:
I think the system, popularized in the 90s by the great offensive line coach Alex Gibbs, was more instrumental to Fosters success than any innate skills Foster may have had as a running back . Afterall Gibbs's system put 6th round Draft pick Terrell Davis into the Hall of Fame in Canton.
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I respectfully disagree. Coaching didnt give Foster the one handed catch and run against the Ravens or punking the Bungles DB in the 2011 Playoffs.

...or sidestepping Polamalu for a big gain. The list goes on and on.

There were enough mediocre backs in the Gibbs ZBS to show that both Davis and Foster were supremely talented and ended up in the perfect system. I still watch Foster highlights in awe. If only he wasnt run into the ground he may have ended up with a gold jacket himself.
 
Doc, I tried to do a search but malfunctioned. I'm interested in Bryan Randolph safety cut by Rams recently. Tore ACL first preseason game after being signed as UDFA. You have any info on his injury healing? He was also injured as freshman but not sure what? Here is why I'm interested:
The all-time University of Tennessee leader in games played blew scouts away at his Pro Day when he bench-pressed 225 pounds 31 times (nine more times than any defensive back at the Combine) and ran a 4.49-second forty-yard dash (would have been second-fastest of any safety at the Combine).

For now, Randolph will have to focus on a long ACL recovery. Something he already looks determined to attack on the same level he did wide receivers during his time in Knoxvill
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http://theramswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/15/rams-waive-injured-s-brian-randolph-sign-s-michael-caputo

Redshirt sophomore season[edit]
Randolph returned from his injury in 2013 under new head coach Butch Jones. He appeared and started in all 12 games for the Volunteers. He started as a strong safety in 2013. He finished second on the team in tackles with 75, first in interceptions with four, and third in passes defended with seven.

Redshirt junior season[edit]
As a redshirt junior in 2014, Randolph would put together a solid campaign for the Volunteers. He appeared in all 13 games and started 11 of them. He finished third on the team in tackles with 88. Also, he had two interceptions, five passes defended, and a fumble recovery. He recovered a fumble along with two tackles in 2015 TaxSlayer Bowl victory over Iowa.

Redshirt senior season[edit]
In his final season with the Volunteers, Randolph appeared in and started all 13 games. He was a starter in the secondary and finished second on the team in tackles with 70. Also, he had five passes defended, two interceptions, and a forced fumble. He had a team-high nine tackles and a very crucial pass break-up on the final play against #19 Georgia.[2] He became Tennessee's all-time career games leader in history with 53 games by appearing in the Outback Bowl victory over Northwestern.[3]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Randolph

Thanks! If healed I would bring him in.
 
I don't know what to expect out of this guy or the offense in general. I don't really want to use history as an indicator and really with a new qb(s) and OB supposedly being "more involved" I shouldn't.

They drafted this guy in the third round though so hopefully he at least keeps Blue off the field.
 
Another potential difficulty of trying to extrapolate Foreman's college performance to the NFL is that he lost 16 pounds for the Combine order to maximize his speed and agility drills. According to recent reports, he has not regained that weight and remains at his 233 pound Combine weight.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Another potential difficulty of trying to extrapolate Foreman's college performance to the NFL is that he lost 16 pounds for the Combine order to maximize his speed and agility drills. According to recent reports, he has not regained that weight and remains at his 233 pound Combine weight.
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He's not looking to gain weight. According to him he's looking to lose a bit more.
 
badboy said:
Doc, I tried to do a search but malfunctioned. I'm interested in Bryan Randolph safety cut by Rams recently. Tore ACL first preseason game after being signed as UDFA. You have any info on his injury healing? He was also injured as freshman but not sure what? Here is why I'm interested:
http://theramswire.usatoday.com/2016/08/15/rams-waive-injured-s-brian-randolph-sign-s-michael-caputo

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brian_Randolph

Thanks! If healed I would bring him in.
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Badboy,

There's more to the story. The Rams probably had good reason to let him go. He missed most of his 2012 sophomore season after tearing his ACL.
When he returned the next year, he tore the labrum in his shoulder in his 2013 junior year. Not surprising since his style of play was to routinely deliver blows to his opponent straight on with his shoulder. Cooks shoulder throughout that season would pop out every time he raised his arm. He would simply pop it back in or have his trainer pop it back in, and then go on to re-enter the game. He chose to play throughout it, even refusing to miss practices, opting to delay surgery until the completion of the season. No doubt, this further damaged his shoulder, which probably incurred damage not only to his labrum, but also to his rotator cuff. He then went on to suffer another ACL rupture in his first preseason 2016 game.

Between his 2 ACL surgeries (which has likely left him with deficit and at risk for additional lower limb injuries) and major shoulder surgery (which has also likely left him with some deficit and is likely to break down again with his "boom" rather than wrap up tackle style of play), paints a big red flag on his forehead, and now he unlikely to be anywhere close to the feared safety he was during HS and part of his college career.
 
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I haven't seen anything of D'Onta Foreman but YouTube highlights up till now. Of course, all they show are the big open field runs where he isnt touched & outruns everyone on the field... duh, highlights.

Today, while looking for news on his recent run-in with the law, I found this gem. Not many runs over 10 yards, pass protection, lead blocking... Not much as a receiver, but I do like that he ran primarily out of the shotgun.


 
thunderkyss said:
I haven't seen anything of D'Onta Foreman but YouTube highlights up till now. Of course, all they show are the big open field runs where he isnt touched & outruns everyone on the field... duh, highlights.

Today, while looking for news on his recent run-in with the law, I found this gem. Not many runs over 10 yards, pass protection, lead blocking... Not much as a receiver, but I do like that he ran primarily out of the shotgun.


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I only had enough time to watch the 1st 4 minutes of the video. Is it just my impression that Foreman goes down most often on 1st contact?
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I only had enough time to watch the 1st 4 minutes of the video. Is it just my impression that Foreman goes down most often on 1st contact?
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Well, he's not Earl if that was what you expected. But he breaks arm tackles (as any good back should) and the "1st contact" you referred to was usually two or more guys getting to him at the same time. I never saw one guy bring him down without Foreman first running thru him and the guy hanging on to Foreman's ankles.
Look closer.
 
badboy said:
He did avg 6.8
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He has never been a power back. He has never been known for breaking tackles.........not in college, and not in preseason. He has a knack for shooting through holes. He also will have to learn pass blocking. There is certainly a need for a RB like Foreman, but he has a ways to go.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
He has never been a power back. He has never been known for breaking tackles.........not in college, and not in preseason. He has a knack for shooting through holes. He also will have to learn pass blocking. There is certainly a need for a RB like Foreman, but he has a ways to go.
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He did break some tackles in college but also avoided tackles. He may not be traditional power back but I think will be in those type plays a lot and be successful even if he does not run over folks. I believe he will be perfect player for this team. Interested in watching him and Miller play.
 
badboy said:
He did break some tackles in college but also avoided tackles. He may not be traditional power back but I think will be in those type plays a lot and be successful even if he does not run over folks. I believe he will be perfect player for this team. Interested in watching him and Miller play.
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He has the power to run over people. He just needs to lower his pad level. Something that can definitely be taught. I like how elusive he is for a huge RB.
 
steelbtexan said:
He has the power to run over people. He just needs to lower his pad level. Something that can definitely be taught. I like how elusive he is for a huge RB.
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I think he is a half back in a full back body. We need to remember that most backs for Texans were not known for blocking or strength but many became better.
 
steelbtexan said:
He has the power to run over people. He just needs to lower his pad level. Something that can definitely be taught. I like how elusive he is for a huge RB.
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As things stand now, a lot of his success will depend on our OL or facing a poor opposing DL. He may have the potential power to run over people, but he never showed it in college. As you pointed out, he will need to shore up his technique and gain more strength. Furthermore, already having foot problems and groin or hamstring problems isn't going to help his cause.
 
b0ng said:
This kid looks like the real deal and will be our featured back sooner rather than an later.
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Agreed. Seems like a really smart football player that finds ways to get open in the passing game and if we can ever get a halfway decent offensive line, he looks capable of being a really good runner.
 
Say Watt said:
Agreed. Seems like a really smart football player that finds ways to get open in the passing game and if we can ever get a halfway decent offensive line, he looks capable of being a really good runner.
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Exactly. More than just a RB, he plays to win. Wants the ball in his hands, wants to make a play.
 
looking at rushing stats only, Miller was 14/56 @ 4 per carry and Foreman 8/25 @ just over 3 per carry and that is not going to "ball control" many games.
 
badboy said:
looking at rushing stats only, Miller was 14/56 @ 4 per carry and Foreman 8/25 @ just over 3 per carry and that is not going to "ball control" many games.
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Foreman should have gotten more carries towards the end. O'B should have went like Kubiak with the run at the end of the game.
 
santo said:
Foreman should have gotten more carries towards the end. O'B should have went like Kubiak with the run at the end of the game.
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hard to blame OB when RBs not doing so great running; Watson's passes to TEs and one to Ellington IIRC we what moved the ball.
 
santo said:
Foreman should have gotten more carries towards the end. O'B should have went like Kubiak with the run at the end of the game.
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Maybe he hasn't earned more carries. I can buy that.

But he deserves to be on the field on 3rd & 1. He is without a doubt our best option. From the way he pushes for extra yards, catch out of the backfield & blocks & chips. He's the better option in short yardage situations.
 
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