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Tell Me Why Patrick Mahomes is not the Solution!

I still think this team does not have to start a franchise QB to get to Super Bowl. They have just chosen wrong guys as have other teams. That while fact doesn't mean they cannot but where is evidence supporting they can eventually get the guy? My hope is 1. Savage can be the guy or 2. We hit in the draft a guy who can start game one. Romo is only an option if his guarantee is reasonable and hefty with "gotta earn it" requirements. He should understand his health is a huge concern. Perhaps he wants to show Jerry that can get a team to the final game something he has not done so far. Is he a player that can start for 3-4 years or heck even 1 or 2?
 
I would never throw all the blame on the HC if QB picks fail to develop. Based on some folks plan of attack you keep drafting 1 to 2 QB's annually until you find a "Franchise" type. Let's say this scenario is played out for 4 years...you'd have 4 to 8 QB's on your 53-Man Roster since all those early round selections couldn't possibly be stashed on the PS for safe-keeping. You might say trade them...but if they haven't forced the team to quit drafting QB's, who's going to trade for your trash? If you do find a team willing to take out your trash...then you'd be burning RD1 to RD4 picks annually with the hopes of tuning them into RD6 trades in 2 to 3 years. The Texans would never get ahead trying to work the system by corning the market for so-so QB's.

By the way, when does the GM and his talent scouts catch the blame for the team having to draft so many misses at QB?

Building a team the right way is like assembling a puzzle...each piece has its priority and time to be placed. I'd like to get some feedback in regards to the Andrew Luck situation in Indy. I believe everyone on this board firmly believes he could be a starter on just about every team in the NFL, except NE. The Colts got their "Franchise" QB and had a good early run with him but failures to address the men up front who protect the Luck Investment have pushed him into David Carr mode...run for your life and hope for the best. Anyone want to think about the possibilities of what he might have accomplished in Dallas last year? He might've been more Brady like than David Carr like.

So, before I would go tossing 2 picks each draft at QB's in the hopes of gaining a "Franchise QB", I'd be tossing 2 picks each draft at my OL, RB and TE position until I've won the lottery there. My chances of building a top offense are much better than putting a QB at the top of my list while the rest of the offense is suffering. It's not working in Indy and guess what...it's not going to work in Houston either.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
So, before I would go tossing 2 picks each draft at QB's in the hopes of gaining a "Franchise QB", I'd be tossing 2 picks each draft at my OL, RB and TE position until I've won the lottery there.
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the problem is, once you got a good OL how much will it last?

Indy is failing because they have a crappy offense, and it's not like they invested that much on the QB position that they neglected everything else.

On the contrary Indy is one of the teams that had to invest less on the QB position if you compare the investment and what they got.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I would never throw all the blame on the HC if QB picks fail to develop.

By the way, when does the GM and his talent scouts catch the blame for the team having to draft so many misses at QB?

So, before I would go tossing 2 picks each draft at QB's in the hopes of gaining a "Franchise QB"
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I think you should have someone pushing your QB at all times. Mallet was pushing Fitz & Hoyer... so I wasn't too upset with that. Last season, no one was pushing Osweiler... but it seems he couldn't handle the pressure regardless.

I wouldn't call those GM fails. I firmly believe O'b was in on all the decisions that brought said QBs here. He may not have agreed with everyone, I believe he agreed on Fitz, not Mallett. I believe he specifically said he wanted Brian Hoyer. I believe he & Rick were in lock step on Osweiler.

Still, I don't believe any of these guys failed for lack of talent. I think it was a development issue & that's my beef with O'b. I think he doesn't know how to develop a young QB. A lot of what we saw is what you'll see with inexperienced QBs. We'll see it with Savage too, if that's the way we go. There will be highs & lows. The Coach (HC, OC, QBs coach, whoever) has to manage those highs & lows & I don't think our staff did a good job of that with any of the inexperienced QBs we've had.

So hopefully he & Smith are past all the bickering & can get on to winning football games. New England didn't spank us because we lacked talent. We went toe to toe with them for more than three qtrs. Our team just couldn't get back up in the 4th. That's mindset & focus. That's the coaches forte, not the GM.
 
OptimisticTexan said:
I would never throw all the blame on the HC if QB picks fail to develop.

By the way, when does the GM and his talent scouts catch the blame for the team having to draft so many misses at QB?
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Maybe you could answer for yourself if you didn't treat them generically. Houston has a HC with a background in offense/QB. Their GM has a background in defense. Now who do you think should have the larger voice in selection and development of QBs? And if logic wasn't enough the obvious NE bent trumps all the 'I hate RS' conspiracies. You think RS suddenly developed a big arm fetish coincidentally when OB arrived?

Building a team the right way is like assembling a puzzle...each piece has its priority and time to be placed. I'd like to get some feedback in regards to the Andrew Luck situation in Indy. I believe everyone on this board firmly believes he could be a starter on just about every team in the NFL, except NE. The Colts got their "Franchise" QB and had a good early run with him but failures to address the men up front who protect the Luck Investment have pushed him into David Carr mode...run for your life and hope for the best.

So, before I would go tossing 2 picks each draft at QB's in the hopes of gaining a "Franchise QB", I'd be tossing 2 picks each draft at my OL, RB and TE position until I've won the lottery there. My chances of building a top offense are much better than putting a QB at the top of my list while the rest of the offense is suffering. It's not working in Indy and guess what...it's not going to work in Houston either.
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Once again doesn't fly looking at the specifics.

Investment in OL 2009 - present (the prepare for and then support Luck era):

Houston - 2 2nds, 3 3rds & 1 4th (6 total, 2 current)

Indy - 2 1sts, 2 2nds, 2 3rds & 2 4ths (8 total, 4 current)

Oh look, Indy bought more lottery tickets.

And by the way using Luck is a silly example to begin with since his injury problems have very publicly been largely a reflection of his unwillingness to slide.

No team is perfect. The NFL is a constant renewal process. You know like letting Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks go. OLs don't last 10 years. Dog chasing its tail looking for OL perfection before addressing QB.
 
Sigma said:
and how many years do we need to find a franchise QB ? :D
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Since the inception of the franchise until the end of time ..... unless they change their draft strategy. 1 Quarterback in the first round , none in the second or third in the entire existence of the franchise ..... and other than a couple really good years by Schaub , we've needed to improve the position every season.
 
infantrycak said:
No team is perfect. The NFL is a constant renewal process. You know like letting Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks go. OLs don't last 10 years. Dog chasing its tail looking for OL perfection before addressing QB.
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I definitely agree with what you're saying. But OptimisticTexans is arguing against drafting a QB, maybe two, every year until you find one. Surely you're not arguing in favor of doing so?

Not drafting a QB in the first two/three rounds in six years is one thing. I agree that was a problem. But drafting one every year, I think we're overlooking the value of coaching.

But still. I can't believe you're arguing that we should draft a QB every year until we find one.
 
thunderkyss said:
I definitely agree with what you're saying. But OptimisticTexans is arguing against drafting a QB, maybe two, every year until you find one. Surely you're not arguing in favor of doing so?

Not drafting a QB in the first two/three rounds in six years is one thing. I agree that was a problem. But drafting one every year, I think we're overlooking the value of coaching.

But still. I can't believe you're arguing that we should draft a QB every year until we find one.
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I left out the draft 2 QBs every year part for a reason. And I don't think you'd be drafting top 3 rd QBs every year for long with decent coaching.
 
The drafting a QB nearly every year proposal sounds a bit absurd, but it helps to also include the situation the team is in. Right now, we have Savage and Weeden on the last year of their deal. Assume we acquire Romo and take a QB in the 1st 3 rounds this year. That eliminates Weeden. Next year, Savage or Romo is gone. If Romo plays well, Savage really shouldn't be re-signed, but drafting another QB makes sense for competition purposes in the search for a successor to Romo. If Romo gets hurt and Savage plays well, Romo is gone. In that case, I doubt we draft another QB seeing as we have one that is playing well, with a backup that should have some potential. If neither play well or through combination of injury and poor play, we are moving on from Savage and Romo and we should draft another QB.

I think the likely scenario here is that Romo will get injured and Savage will only play about average. If they don't draft someone this year, you're looking at having nobody on the roster at all after 2017. If they do, you're looking at having only one. It would make sense for the Texans to again draft a QB and also add a veteran. Then you play 2018 out with a competition amongst the 3 and if you haven't found someone yet, drafting a QB again isn't out of the question.

They don't always have to be 1st rounders, but they need to be in rounds where the players have more than just a long shot at succeeding (first 3 rounds). We need to inject talent into the QB position. It will help us find a long term starter and also help the team in practice. Skill position players on offense can't grow quickly if the QB they are practicing with is trash. Having a backup QB that is competent helps the entire offense grow and master the system. When things are running smoothly in practice, it's much easier to come into the game with confidence. When your QBs can't run the offense efficiently in practice, I can't imagine guys are entering games with a ton of belief that they are going to dominate their opponent.

Think about the Patriots' practice. You think they are having any issues in bringing young guys along on offense? They've got QBs that are going to be on point during practice. It's no surprise our skill position players seem to take so long to develop.
 
thunderkyss said:
I definitely agree with what you're saying. But OptimisticTexans is arguing against drafting a QB, maybe two, every year until you find one. Surely you're not arguing in favor of doing so?

Not drafting a QB in the first two/three rounds in six years is one thing. I agree that was a problem. But drafting one every year, I think we're overlooking the value of coaching.

But still. I can't believe you're arguing that we should draft a QB every year until we find one.
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Problem with what OptimisticTexan is arguing is .... We haven't drafted any at all since Savage - Three Years Ago in the 4th round. And that guy has done absolutely nothing to make us believe he is the future at the position , nothing. When he replaced Os the problems weren't solved - They still couldn't put the ball in the endzone and to that extent , Savage has never thrown a TD in the NFL. Sure , he was better than Os but that aint saying much when he was historically bad. Your little sister would probably be better than Os.

If you are betting on Savage this season , you are just throwing money away - No horse ever ran as fast as the money that you bet.



As for your bottom line / conflict with Cak .... I guess the question it boils down to is , how long does it take for you to realize the last guy you drafted isn't The Guy. One year ? Two ? Three ?!? The sooner you figure that out , the sooner you move on from one prospect to another.
 
Corrosion said:
Problem with what OptimisticTexan is arguing is .... We haven't drafted any at all since Savage - Three Years Ago in the 4th round. And that guy has done absolutely nothing to make us believe he is the future at the position , nothing.
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Completely agree. We should be some where in between.
 
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b0ng said:
With free agency and injuries this seems unreasonable. Can't really tell if you're being serious though.
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D.Brown is on his 10th season now, so I guess that could be possible (albeit a little optimistic)

still, without a good QB all the talent on the rest of the team is wasted.

See Andre Johnson / JJ Watt / to a lesser extent Adrian Foster, and now possibly Hopkins and more (D.Brown as well)
 
Sigma said:
D.Brown is on his 10th season now, so I guess that could be possible (albeit a little optimistic)

still, without a good QB all the talent on the rest of the team is wasted.

See Andre Johnson / JJ Watt / to a lesser extent Adrian Foster, and now possibly Hopkins and more (D.Brown as well)
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A good O-linemen (singular) sure yeah. All 5 positions for 10 years? Not unless the QB is already really good and can make garbagemen look competent, or the OL coach is a wizard (like Dante Scarneccia)
 
badboy said:
Not sure I agree as a QB in first round can offer five years to evaluate. You sign a first rounder each year and then dump the guy in 5th year if not what you want. Of course there are guys you don't keep that long. If you cannot get at minimum a solid QB in five seasons, pretty much on coaching IMO.
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Right. But in your year five, at that time you've got five first round QB's on your 53 roster. How can you possibly give all of them sufficient playing time for proper evaluation? And not to say valuable roster spots taken from other positions. Unless you're drafting QB's in the first and then releasing those that don't measure up.
 
b0ng said:
A good O-linemen (singular) sure yeah. All 5 positions for 10 years? Not unless the QB is already really good and can make garbagemen look competent, or the OL coach is a wizard (like Dante Scarneccia)
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Bingo. Sustained success on OL is more about the coach. A couple more would be Houck and Gibbs, both also known for using "cheap" OLmen.

Number19 said:
Right. But in your year five, at that time you've got five first round QB's on your 53 roster. How can you possibly give all of them sufficient playing time for proper evaluation? And not to say valuable roster spots taken from other positions. Unless you're drafting QB's in the first and then releasing those that don't measure up.
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Specious exaggeration to straw man an argument you can't otherwise address. HCs and GMs are getting fired before that time is up and the 1st couple QBs are backups/reclamation projects on some other team by the time the 4th QB is picked.
 
Number19 said:
Right. But in your year five, at that time you've got five first round QB's on your 53 roster. How can you possibly give all of them sufficient playing time for proper evaluation? And not to say valuable roster spots taken from other positions. Unless you're drafting QB's in the first and then releasing those that don't measure up.
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Your POV is based on the 5th year. You would have four years of evaluating QB 1, three years for QB 2 (like Savage), two years watching QB 3 and one season evaluating QB 4. If you drafted QB 5 this season you should have enough info on at least first two before June 1. Also while significant, the cost for late first round QBs isn't that much. By year 5 you have eliminated QB 1; if he was the QB, he would have proven it at least by year three. In most cases, if your staff cannot coach up a first round QB in 3-4 years it says mucho about the teachers. In most seasons, this team will not have much chance of signing a QB in latter part of first round; other needs or lack of a quality QB will push the choice for a QB down. You should not have 5 QBs on roster in season 5.
 
This debate might not exist had the Texans put aside their foolish thoughts and drafted Derek Carr when he was there for the taking. If they had made this pick, they could've been 2 seasons deep in addressing the offensive needs.
 
infantrycak said:
Maybe you could answer for yourself if you didn't treat them generically. Houston has a HC with a background in offense/QB. Their GM has a background in defense. Now who do you think should have the larger voice in selection and development of QBs? And if logic wasn't enough the obvious NE bent trumps all the 'I hate RS' conspiracies. You think RS suddenly developed a big arm fetish coincidentally when OB arrived?



Once again doesn't fly looking at the specifics.

Investment in OL 2009 - present (the prepare for and then support Luck era):

Houston - 2 2nds, 3 3rds & 1 4th (6 total, 2 current)

Indy - 2 1sts, 2 2nds, 2 3rds & 2 4ths (8 total, 4 current)

Oh look, Indy bought more lottery tickets.

And by the way using Luck is a silly example to begin with since his injury problems have very publicly been largely a reflection of his unwillingness to slide.

No team is perfect. The NFL is a constant renewal process. You know like letting Ben Jones and Brandon Brooks go. OLs don't last 10 years. Dog chasing its tail looking for OL perfection before addressing QB.
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Yep, pretty much. When the texans had the chance, they passed. Alot of people on this board was talking about the trenches as OB was talking about getting bigger. So he took a o-line that was nimble,yet effective and decided to make everyone gain weight and such. The qb answers could've been answered in his 1st draft.
 
Not an ounce wrong with what OB said there, just as there's likewise no reason to treat that idea as an absolute deterrent against drafting a QB early and starting him from the outset. It's never not a case-by-case scenario.
 
Wasn't Troy Aikman also an instant starter after being drafted?
I do remember he took some big-time hits his first few years!
And he got knocked out and injured his rookie season as well.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Not an ounce wrong with what OB said there, just as there's likewise no reason to treat that idea as an absolute deterrent against drafting a QB early and starting him from the outset. It's never not a case-by-case scenario.
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No there really isn't. Which is why he is THE DUMBASS OF ALL TIME for taking in a 2-14 team and skid-marking the QB position for 3 years. Everyone would have understood QB growing pains the 1st 3 years. Now he is panic mode and he hates it.

But then again I think his 1st hate is QBs. IMO he thinks QBs are monkeys to deliver his plays. Bad Mr. Bonzo, and I smack you on the head.
 
Bulls on Parade said:
Wasn't Troy Aikman also an instant starter after being drafted?
I do remember he took some big-time hits his first few years!
And he got knocked out and injured his rookie season as well.
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Just because they started doesn't mean they were ready.

Aikman went what? 1-15?

Not all on him. The team obviously wasn't ready for a rookie to start at QB. The Seahawks were with Wilson. The Ravens were with Flacco. The Colts were (hard to believe) with Luck.

But the goal of every football coach is to win football games. Usually, they'll start a Fitzpatrick until they are out of the playoff race. Then winning takes a back seat to getting the rookie ready for next season.
 
infantrycak said:
No there really isn't. Which is why he is THE DUMBASS OF ALL TIME for taking in a 2-14 team and skid-marking the QB position for 3 years. Everyone would have understood QB growing pains the 1st 3 years. Now he is panic mode and he hates it.

But then again I think his 1st hate is QBs. IMO he thinks QBs are monkeys to deliver his plays. Bad Mr. Bonzo, and I smack you on the head.
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This is where I stand with OB. He strikes me as a pretty intelligent guy. Extremely intelligent actually. He's too smart, or at least thinks he is.

His plays and scheme are "perfect" and all he needs at QB is a guy that can follow orders. He doesn't hold the QB position in high regard because his offense makes QBs, not the other way around.
 
bah007 said:
This is where I stand with OB. He strikes me as a pretty intelligent guy. Extremely intelligent actually. He's too smart, or at least thinks he is.

His plays and scheme are "perfect" and all he needs at QB is a guy that can follow orders. He doesn't hold the QB position in high regard because his offense makes QBs, not the other way around.
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I don't think he lacks regard for the position. I still think he thought about bringing in Brian Hoyer from day 1. His confidence in Hoyer was misguided.

After that, he swung for the fences on Osweiler when Paxton Lynch looked like the most likely QB to fall... understandable.

This is year three & I think we're dumping 11 years of Rick Smith & 15 years of Texans history on O'bs failure to get us a QB.
 
That brings us to Patrick Mahomes.

Mahomes is a Texas Tech product who will turn 22 early during his rookie season. He has some gaudy college numbers including a 41-10 touchdown-to-interception ratio during his final season. Those numbers came in one of those offenses that has produced a litany of prospects with big numbers who went on to fail spectacularly in the NFL. That isn’t warding off the first-round talk, especially not after he threw the ball 78 yards at his pro day.

That arm strength and his ability to extend plays as a passer is what is making Mahomes appealing to NFL teams.

His best plays all come when he breaks the pocket into the right flat. Mahomes keeps his eyes up and aggressively seeks out opportunities to throw back infield, across his body and against the grain of his momentum. Because of his arm strength he can easily make plays that your average NFL quarterback wouldn’t even attempt. In the above plays you can see how Mahomes’ eyes don’t stray towards the sideline and how easily the ball sails out of his hand.

If we stick with the numerical representation, more than 70 percent of what Mahomes does when he breaks the pocket to the right is good. He could play 10 years in the league and never improve in that area and he would still be better than most NFL starters at that specific thing.

That’s the only area of his performance where that is the case.

Being able to throw the ball 78 yards is a really cool party trick. It doesn’t actually offer much value on the field. There is value in Mahomes’ ability to create huge velocity on his passes. When he has control of his placement and throws with timing, defenders have no chance of breaking on the ball because of how fast it flies through the air. This is valuable for pushing the ball downfield but more so for hitting tight windows on short and intermediate routes to sustain drives.

Mahomes doesn’t possess the type of accuracy or timing that is required to consistently move the offense throwing into tight windows. His arm strength as a selling point is framed in the context of pushing the ball downfield.

Because of his inability to maintain his balance and distribute his weight with his feet while releasing the ball, Mahomes isn’t a touch passer.

The question then becomes: what is the upside? What is the value of a strong-armed passer who can’t throw deep or take advantage of the velocity he creates on shorter throws. The inevitable comparisons to Colin Kaepernick or Tyrod Taylor will be used but both Taylor and Kaepernick show off more discipline with their feet and better accuracy. Both are better decision makers who break down coverages faster too.

You have to have a vision with a quarterback that you draft. Drafting Mahomes means drafting someone who needs years of work that history tells us won’t work. It apparently also means investing a first-round pick.
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thunderkyss said:
I don't think he lacks regard for the position. I still think he thought about bringing in Brian Hoyer from day 1. His confidence in Hoyer was misguided.

After that, he swung for the fences on Osweiler when Paxton Lynch looked like the most likely QB to fall... understandable.

This is year three & I think we're dumping 11 years of Rick Smith & 15 years of Texans history on O'bs failure to get us a QB.
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He thinks he can get by with lower tier QBs to run this offense and that's just not the case. In that regard, he does lack regard for the position.

Going with Fitz as a stopgap, fine. I get that. But then he brings in Hoyer as what, another stopgap? Then he brings Mallett on board as well and benches Hoyer the 1st game.

I think upper management told OB that his carousel of QBs wasn't working so they were going to give it a try and went and got Brock. Of course, that didn't work either.

Somebody needs to figure out this QB situation and so far, nobody charged with doing that seems to have much of a clue.
 
Speedy said:
He thinks he can get by with lower tier QBs to run this offense and that's just not the case. In that regard, he does lack regard for the position.

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Like I said... his faith in Hoyer was misguided. He didn't think of Hoyer as a lower tier QB. He thought of him as a franchise QB waiting for the right opportunity.

& truth be told, had O'b gotten Hoyer before Pittsburgh, Arizona, & most specifically Cleveland, he may have been right. Limited success + brutal beatings tend to change a guys perspective about what is & is not worth trying.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Not an ounce wrong with what OB said there, just as there's likewise no reason to treat that idea as an absolute deterrent against drafting a QB early and starting him from the outset. It's never not a case-by-case scenario.
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Exactly. There have been surprise successes and epic fails.
I will actually be amazed (and kinda pissed) if O'Brien/Smith don't draft a QB in the first 3 rds this year.

Like most of us have been saying, you can't win the elite QB Lotto if you don't play.
 
Mangler said:
Seems like they are doesn't it. We were only a hair away from 8-8 this season had it not been for Bullock winning the game for us, lol.
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I'm sure you can use the same argument to say we were a hair from 10-6

4 of our 7 losses were by a TD

and this includes our loss in week 17 when winning wouldn't have changed anything


there's nothing wrong with finishing 9-7 if you can get into the playoffs to compete with the other teams

the problem is that even if we got "lucky" and won those close games to finish 13-3 we wouldn't have lasted much into the playoffs.

I would much rather finishing 9-7 with a solid team that can go the distance into the playoffs rather than having a 13-3 season just to choke in the playoffs as we always do
 
All eyes were on Mahomes, who impressed scouts by finishing his workout with a 78-yard toss. During the actual scripted throws, multiple scouts and coaches from the workout told me the quarterback was unimpressive. "Thrower, not a passer," "forces everything," "got some [Colin] Kaepernick to his arm" and "not sure you can teach timing and touch" were four of the texts I got back. On the flip side, everyone I spoke to from the pro day loved Mahomes' arm, athleticism and poise on the field.


—Where will Mahomes be drafted? I asked that to six executives this week, and each replied that he'll come off the board in the first round. When pressed for a destination, the executives gave Kansas City four votes and Houston two.
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maverick512000 said:
So in other words according to what I'm reading in your post most liked the arm strength but didn't think he was even close to NFL ready and may never be.

However since QB are always in high demand and this is a weak class he will be a first rounder. Yeah I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling going into this draft.
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Sounding like the 2011 draft for QBs minus Cam.
 
maverick512000 said:
So in other words according to what I'm reading in your post most liked the arm strength but didn't think he was even close to NFL ready and may never be.

However since QB are always in high demand and this is a weak class he will be a first rounder. Yeah I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling going into this draft.
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If you watched the guy play .... you'd have that warm fuzzy feeling , he just makes playing QB look easy. Despite having a rocket arm , uses the proper touch , his accuracy is special , places the ball between the levels of the defense - he throws guys open allowing them to make a lot of yards after the catch , has a pretty good internal clock and is athletic enough to make plays with his feet.


A lot of people say he's just a system guy , yeah he has the gunslinger arm and came from a gunslinger scheme but he goes thru the progressions and seems to make the right read.

Mahomes has more upside than any other QB in this draft.
 
Corrosion said:
If you watched the guy play .... you'd have that warm fuzzy feeling , he just makes playing QB look easy. Despite having a rocket arm , uses the proper touch , his accuracy is special , places the ball between the levels of the defense - he throws guys open allowing them to make a lot of yards after the catch , has a pretty good internal clock and is athletic enough to make plays with his feet.


A lot of people say he's just a system guy , yeah he has the gunslinger arm and came from a gunslinger scheme but he goes thru the progressions and seems to make the right read.

Mahomes has more upside than any other QB in this draft.
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To me anyways , Trubisky is every bit the gamble as Mahomes . High risk high reward but if you hit , you're good for a decade .
 
Corrosion said:
If you watched the guy play .... you'd have that warm fuzzy feeling , he just makes playing QB look easy. Despite having a rocket arm , uses the proper touch , his accuracy is special , places the ball between the levels of the defense - he throws guys open allowing them to make a lot of yards after the catch , has a pretty good internal clock and is athletic enough to make plays with his feet.


A lot of people say he's just a system guy , yeah he has the gunslinger arm and came from a gunslinger scheme but he goes thru the progressions and seems to make the right read.

Mahomes has more upside than any other QB in this draft.
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I have watched him play, even watched and commented on his highlight video earlier in this thread. I stand by what I said then a lot of that video should have been on his receiver's highlight video and he is going to get intercepted a ton on the NFL level.

Also sick of hearing this "he makes playing QB look easy" crap. Lots of college players made it look easy in college and then hit the pro level and went up against a lot of guys on the other side who make their job look easy. Also he plays in an air raid system which bumps his numbers through the roof but when air raid QBs hit the NFL they fall flat.

Now, all that being said I have, slightly, warmed up to him because he is fun to watch so I wouldn't be pissed if we took him at 25. I don't want us selling the farm to trade up for him though because there are to many unknowns with him. Any other year he would be a second round at best just he happens to be in a weak class.

So no I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling but at the same time beggers can't be choosers.
 
maverick512000 said:
I have watched him play, even watched and commented on his highlight video earlier in this thread. I stand by what I said then a lot of that video should have been on his receiver's highlight video and he is going to get intercepted a ton on the NFL level.

Also sick of hearing this "he makes playing QB look easy" crap. Lots of college players made it look easy in college and then hit the pro level and went up against a lot of guys on the other side who make their job look easy. Also he plays in an air raid system which bumps his numbers through the roof but when air raid QBs hit the NFL they fall flat.

Now, all that being said I have, slightly, warmed up to him because he is fun to watch so I wouldn't be pissed if we took him at 25. I don't want us selling the farm to trade up for him though because there are to many unknowns with him. Any other year he would be a second round at best just he happens to be in a weak class.

So no I'm not getting a warm and fuzzy feeling but at the same time beggers can't be choosers.
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You are entitled to your opinion ....
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
To me anyways , Trubisky is every bit the gamble as Mahomes . High risk high reward but if you hit , you're good for a decade .
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Trubisky is absolutely a gamble. The people who like him just kind of gloss over the fact that he only started 1 year and spent 2 years on the bench behind a guy who was essentially a RB.
 
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