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What's your plan for QB next season?
- Thread starter xtruroyaltyx
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The Texans do have a 2nd rounder... #57 overall
This years first and 3rd along with next years first to move 13 spots ?! That's a little steep if you ask me .... Not having that 2nd used to ship Os and his albatross of a contract out the door hurts in that sense as I might be inclined to give up that pick to make the move , just not the 1st rounder.
bah007
Hall of Fame
Some college coaches have had success using "bloodlines" as part of the evaluation process of a kid moving from high school to college. But that's because kids at that level are still developing and some insight into that history could be beneficial as part of a projection of their future physical growth.
Transitioning from college to the NFL is entirely different. These guys obviously aren't finished products as football players, but they are done developing as physical specimens. They are what they are at this point, which makes the "bloodlines" argument entirely useless.
Yes! First off, like someone else mentioned, Cleveland may want Trubisky at #12, so the Texans would have to move up to #11 or higher to find a trade partner. Secondly, it would cost way too much in my opinion to move up from #25 and I don't think any of these QB's are worth it. Texans have too many other holes to fill!
He throws to his left fine.
It's not just the Kelly name, it's the fact that he took his underdog team against Alsbama/LSU and beat them.
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
I could give two hoots about his bloodline. What I see is a QB who had a pretty amazing 2015 campaign and had he come out then, he'd easily been considered a RD1 talent. He had a down 2016 season but at the same time, he lost a lot of the talent he was surrounded with and last I checked, Ole Miss doesn't get to reload like the Tides and LSU.
I'm not trying to cut you down or anything, but every time you mention that, I'm thinking JFF, or Osweiler (the way he made plays to help his team beat the Bengals & Patriots in 2015). I agree with you. Those types of performances say there's something there. But with JFF & Osweiler, there was a lot of other "somethings" that pretty much trumped the spotty high level play.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
If throwing left was his only problem I wouldn't care if we threw a late pick at him.
If he wasn't a miscreant you wouldn't care at all.
Actually I used a value chart and that's a fair trade. Well according to the chart.
IMO trubisky has three things that are incredibly important for a young QB to have a chance at succeeding in the NFL.
1.) Very good consistent timing/accuracy. 2.) Very good pocket awareness with ability to move around pocket while maintaining eyes down field.
3.) Mobility with the understanding of his importance.
These three things combined are what puts him head and shoulders above any other QB in this draft IMO. If you're tired of living in QB purgatory then at some point you have to identify a QB you believe in and make it happen. Again just my opinion, trubisky despite only starting 13 games has displayed traits that give me reason to believe he can become a franchise QB. I believe of he falls to 12 he's at the limit of our trade up ability. Cleveland has shown they value picks for their rebuilding process. I would start lower of course but would go as far as my previous post to make it happen. Cleveland isn't going to take below market value.
Well then no QB should ever be drafted then.
You have to take a chance when it comes to drafting a QB. Something that Ricky McNair has been unwilling to do. Kelly is about as different from JM as any QB you could name. Kelly is mainly a pocket passer that can move aroung a little bit. He's also taller and has a better much arm.
Os vs Kelly tells me you've never watched Kelly.
If you truly believe in Trubisky then you make that trade. Two 1st's and a 3rd is a cheap price to pay for a franchise QB. You would basically have to sit out the 2018 draft, but would you be willing to sit out this draft for Rodgers? Or for that matter Winston/Mariota? I would in a heartbeat, frachise QB's are hard to find and when you have a chance to get one you give up what it takes to get a deal done.
But you have to have conviction. Which I don't think Ricky has or ever will have the kind of conviction you're talking about to make this kind of deal. Or atleast he hasn't in the last decade.
Yep getting in a fight at a bar and taking up for your brother, (He didn't throw any punches) and he's rumored to have smoked pot. A real miscreant.
Then he's better than Watson, but Watson is a better fit in Dabo's offense (Who names there kid Dabo) and Kelly lets it be known then transfers to a JC where he wins a championship. Then signs with Ole Miss where they played in big bowl games and beat Alabama/LSU in the same season. (Nah we don't need that type of guy playing QB.)
Kelly's my 2nd ranked QB in this draft behind Mahomes. He's definitely franchise QB material. If you want to lower his status because he has a temper go ahead. But I like those type QB's rather than the Os/HWNSNBM type QB's. Which is why Kelly will never be a Texan.
Guess who else has a temper? Brady/Rodgers etc... Kelly does need to grow up and I'm betting he will. Particularly at the cost of a 4th/5th rd pick. If Kelly doesn't grow up and you have to draft another QB in the 2018 draft then what have you really lost. A 4th rd pick ? Oh the horror, especially when you think about what Ricky drafted in the 4th rd last yr. What would the Texans do without Tyler Earvin?
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How are you getting that out of what I said? All I said is that there is a balance between winning those tough games & other stuff, like offfield behavior, coachability, etc... JFF & Osweiler didn't have the right balance. I don't know where Kelly's balance is.
I haven't. The comparison was not about how they played. But that we may have gave him a bunch of money just because he was on a team that beat New England in a high stakes game.
& to add, you can't let a stupid mistake, like trading away your future 2nd round pick for basically nothing, stop you from going to get your franchise QB.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...ble-digit-teams-told-him-hes-a-first-rounder/
Would you be pissed with webb in the first? Sounds like the kinda crap we would do.
Would you be pissed with webb in the first? Sounds like the kinda crap we would do.
Would be thoroughly disappointed.
JR Texan
Noob
I would only be OK with Webb in the third maybe in the second, but it does sound like something we would do lol. I can see BOB falling in love with this guys work ethic.
Seriously, his set-up/delivery are so deliberate and slow and full of unnecessary movement he makes Osweiler look like Marino.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Every year i find myself less versed in draft prospects and their value (mostly because they rarely do what i want in the draft- i find myself caring less.) I dont know a lot about webb but I'd probably be pissed with us drafting him in the first -purely because i feel like he'd be there in the 2nd for us.
I think it would turn into the cookie cutter scenario where it looks dumb - but we did it so the texans must know something we dont. And ultimately, people would accept it.
If webb turned into the next Montana i'd be thrilled to say i was wrong - but more likely he'd be dave ragone.
Just throwin it out there.
Getting Romo would take the sting off of Webb a bit. Romo starts this year, Savage backs up, Webb learns. And can always go QB early in '18.
Still, depending on who's still on the board, I'm not fond of taking Webb. Kinda not at all and certainly not that early.
Way too many other variables to dig into the rest of that. I mean, those are important positions for us and that's great, but without knowing who those picks are and who's available when they're selected it's just impossible to sign off one way or the other.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Fair enough on the anonymous position picks. And i have the same reservations about webb in the 1st. I was admittedly thrilled to get nix - and i was wrong.
What we see and whats promoted by numerous draft sites is athleticism on tape. We dont ever have the luxury of knowing things behind the scenes like character or work ethic. Compatibility with a specific system, etc. Maybe webb IS the guy.
From an outsiders viewpoint however, i do know what positions we need help at. Qb. Ol. Ilb. Safety. If we ignore those needs i have a problem.
BOB wont be the one doing the picking.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
But when it fails he'll be the one accountable. God forbid we send the god father (ricky) packing.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Not BOB's yes man.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
The QB's that Ricky has drafted aren't floaters that's for sure.
Savage is another one of those players O'b recruited out of High school.
Coincidence?
leebigeztx
Keep it Movin!
No matter how its setup, the qb is the ceo of the team. If that guy has maturity issues and things, its not a good look. I mean when Culpepper had the boat issue, it was blown up because he's the qb. Right or wrong, qbs are held to a higher standard.
If they took Webb that early , I might disown the franchise because of sheer stupidity and ineptitude.
Unless he becomes a top 10 QB that is.
I hear what you're saying & I wouldn't suggest we take Webb in the first. But I wouldn't be too upset if we passed on Mahomes/Watson & picked up Peterman, Evans, or Webb later in the draft.
& to me it doesn't have to be in the first three rounds. If they believe the kid is a good prospect, they believe he's a good prospect.
WolverineFan
Hall of Fame
And he also lost as the favorite to Memphis, Auburn, and Arkansas twice. Yes the Bama and LSU wins were impressive but you don't base a guy's entire evaluation off one game.
Hell he beat Bama and then went out and almost laid an egg against Vanderbilt the next week and then dropped a whopping 10 points in a loss to Florida after that. In the 2 months between the Bama and LSU wins, Ole Miss went 4-3 and Kelly threw 14 TD's and 11 INT's over that frame. Not exactly inspiring.
I'm not basing my opinions off of those 2 games. In fact he was terrible against Memphis. I base my evals off of ability (Which I think there's no doubt he has) Leadership which he has proven to have and over all clutch gene which I think he has.
So do you not think Webb can be a franchise QB. Because if you think he can be you pick him in the 1st. No need to continue playing around with the QB position.
Webb reminds me of Savage, if Ricky picks him hopefully he will be injury free unlike Savage.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
I won't doubt your personal assessment of CK as a talented player and the fact that he had less talent to work with last season but I myself am afraid of taking on players with known character issues.
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TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
I won't doubt your personal assessment of CK as a talented player and the fact that he had less talent to work with last season but I myself am afraid of taking on players with known character issues.
Seegara
Guitar Picker, Dog Lover, Woodworker
It's a big difference between us and the Cowboys. They will take a chance on a player with a checkered rep; we won't.
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TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
I am glad for that.
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
Where has that gotten them?
I guess my biggest disappointment (or maybe fear) would be if Robinson, Bolles, and Ramczyk, along with Trubisky, Watson, and Mahomes are all gone by #25 and the Texans are left staring at Kizer or Webb! I don't know what BOB/Smith would do but I know I wouldn't pick either one. I'd go with the best OLB/DE or CB/S available and not look back!
In that scenario I'd go one of Jabrill Peppers/Zach Cunningham/Forrest Lamp/Taco Charlton and hope to land Nathan Peterman in the 2nd.
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
If there is any QB left at our pick that is worthy of even a 2nd round pick, I'd wouldn't have a problem with them stretching. We need to get someone in camp that, if they can't start soon enough, will later this season compete for the starting job or at least take it next year. The time for them screwing around with the QB position is over.
Amen!
I think any of those would be better than Kizer or Webb at #25. Way more value.
Kizer is intriguing and I wouldn't have a terrible problem with him in the first... but I wouldn't be bothered if we passed if could get one of the above mentioned and Peterman in the first 2 rounds.