Is the Front Office on Vacation???

[Hervoyel]

Why do we like to relive history. I mean every off season it's the same old chitter chatter. Do we even know how hard it is to build a successful team? Do we know the length it would take to build up that type of franchise? Really though, some franchise get it correct, right from the jump. Then there are a lot of teams that took forever. And finally you have those that took 4-10 years.

You have examples of coaches coming into a ready made team. Then you have what we've experienced as Texans fans. Both Kubiak and O'Brien didn't have that type of luxury. They took over some terrible teams.

Since we are reliving Kubiak's Era here, his offense has always looked great. The problem in the beginning was the defense until Wade got here. Once we had a formidable defense, injuries set in offensively and that was that. Ole Matt just couldn't bounce back mentally. And Kubiak refused to go away from him.

I don't agree that O'Brien took over a terrible team. I think he took over a pretty good team with a handful of holes and he's never finished under .500 which is pretty much where Kubiak had the Texans for most of his tenure here.

 

[Texansballer74]

I don't agree that O'Brien took over a terrible team. I think he took over a pretty good team with a handful of holes and he's never finished under .500 which is pretty much where Kubiak had the Texans for most of his tenure here.

The main reason why I said he took over a bad team is because the mental make up the team was shot up. You can have all the talent in the world but if the mental aspect is all jacked up, you won't have a good team.

 

[ChampionTexan]

If they really were interested in Romo the best thing to do right now would be to talk publicly with Cutler and other QBs available. maybe even put out there rumors of trade talk for QBs on their last year of contract

since nothing like that happened I'm starting to wonder if we really are interested in Romo

You're talking as though Tony Romo's calling the shots here. At least for the moment, he's not.

The speculation (and while it's only speculation, it's plausible) is that Jerry Jones doesn't want Romo going to the Texans. If that's the case, all that those stories and rumors of other potential Texans QB's do is make Jerry is even happier to keep sitting and doing nothing than he might already be. The possibility the Texans may go another direction makes him less likely - not more - to do anything with Romo.

Again, I don't know if they're true (and few people do beyond Jerry himself), but if the rumors are in fact reality, nothing's likely to happen with Romo before the draft.

Now if they could actually sign Cutler to a no guaranteed money contract (and I know they can't), then they could create the illusion that they've found their QB, Jerry can then release Romo, and the Texans could immediately cut Cutler and sign Romo. (and yeah, I know how ridiculous that sounds - for more than one reason).

 

[Sigma]

You're talking as though Tony Romo's calling the shots here. At least for the moment, he's not.

The speculation (and while it's only speculation, it's plausible) is that Jerry Jones doesn't want Romo going to the Texans. If that's the case, all that those stories and rumors of other potential Texans QB's do is make Jerry is even happier to keep sitting and doing nothing than he might already be. The possibility the Texans may go another direction makes him less likely - not more - to do anything with Romo.

Again, I don't know if they're true (and few people do beyond Jerry himself), but if the rumors are in fact reality, nothing's likely to happen with Romo before the draft.

Now if they could actually sign Cutler to a no guaranteed money contract (and I know they can't), then they could create the illusion that they've found their QB, Jerry can then release Romo, and the Texans could immediately cut Cutler and sign Romo. (and yeah, I know how ridiculous that sounds - for more than one reason).

Romo has been silent for now, if he were to come out and state that he wants to go to Houston it would be pretty bad for Jerry.

At least this is what the media keeps telling us. "Jerry doesn't want Romo in Houston for business reasons, but if this were to be confirmed it could be even worse"

Bottom line, it wouldn't hurt the texans to bring in cutler. Worst case scenario it would be a waste of time.

That's why I'm starting to think there might be something more. But maybe it's just a feeling

 

[bah007]

You're talking as though Tony Romo's calling the shots here. At least for the moment, he's not.

The speculation (and while it's only speculation, it's plausible) is that Jerry Jones doesn't want Romo going to the Texans. If that's the case, all that those stories and rumors of other potential Texans QB's do is make Jerry is even happier to keep sitting and doing nothing than he might already be. The possibility the Texans may go another direction makes him less likely - not more - to do anything with Romo.

Again, I don't know if they're true (and few people do beyond Jerry himself), but if the rumors are in fact reality, nothing's likely to happen with Romo before the draft.

Now if they could actually sign Cutler to a no guaranteed money contract (and I know they can't), then they could create the illusion that they've found their QB, Jerry can then release Romo, and the Texans could immediately cut Cutler and sign Romo. (and yeah, I know how ridiculous that sounds - for more than one reason).

It would kill Jerry's negotiating power with Denver though, if it was assumed that the only other major trade threat was moving on. If he really wants to move Romo, he needs all interested buyers to remain interested so that they have to bid against one another.

But according to the speculation you are referencing, it could certainly be possible that Jerry would prefer to send Romo to Denver for a 6th than to Houston for a 5th (or whatever the values would be).

 

[Speedy]

Why do we like to relive history. I mean every off season it's the same old chitter chatter. Do we even know how hard it is to build a successful team? Do we know the length it would take to build up that type of franchise? Really though, some franchise get it correct, right from the jump. Then there are a lot of teams that took forever. And finally you have those that took 4-10 years.

You have examples of coaches coming into a ready made team. Then you have what we've experienced as Texans fans. Both Kubiak and O'Brien didn't have that type of luxury. They took over some terrible teams.

Since we are reliving Kubiak's Era here, his offense has always looked great. The problem in the beginning was the defense until Wade got here. Once we had a formidable defense, injuries set in offensively and that was that. Ole Matt just couldn't bounce back mentally. And Kubiak refused to go away from him.

OK,OK, It's hard to build a team and everybody makes mistakes. Let's just keep Rick forever and ever and ever, 'cause we'll never do better than Rick never draft a QB even when you've desperately needed one for 5 years Smith.

You related to the guy? Godson, is that you?

 

[Say Watt]

How anyone can continue to defend Ricky McNair is beyond me. There's a reason this city has only 2 major championships to their name, and the biggest reason for that, IMO, is the koolaid drinkers simply happy to have football in their city even if it's a sh!tty version of it. There's a pattern with the Texans that can't be ignored where regardless of the changes in coaches, the same problems continue to occur. Poor drafting, mostly poor free agent signings (with Lamar Miller, Johnathan Joseph, and Danieal Manning as the lone exceptions), and an inability to find a QB. At what point do you people wake up and realize that at some point we have to quit blaming the coaches and start looking at the men above the Head Coach?!?

I'm not saying OB is the next Bill Belichick, but I doubt even Bill Belichick would have success with this organization. He'd be just as bad as he was with the Cleveland Browns, an organization the Texans are WAY closer to than the Patriots. No matter who the coach is of the Browns, the same problems occur, and those problems are basically identical to those of the Texans. But yet we continue the same old coaching carousel, the same old QB carousel, and until you people wake up and speak with your wallets, NOTHING will ever change.

 

[austins23]

you people

"What do you mean, YOU PEOPLE?"

 

[Say Watt]

"What do you mean, YOU PEOPLE?"

I was waiting for that response!

 

[dalemurphy]

You're talking as though Tony Romo's calling the shots here. At least for the moment, he's not.

The speculation (and while it's only speculation, it's plausible) is that Jerry Jones doesn't want Romo going to the Texans. If that's the case, all that those stories and rumors of other potential Texans QB's do is make Jerry is even happier to keep sitting and doing nothing than he might already be. The possibility the Texans may go another direction makes him less likely - not more - to do anything with Romo.

Again, I don't know if they're true (and few people do beyond Jerry himself), but if the rumors are in fact reality, nothing's likely to happen with Romo before the draft.

Now if they could actually sign Cutler to a no guaranteed money contract (and I know they can't), then they could create the illusion that they've found their QB, Jerry can then release Romo, and the Texans could immediately cut Cutler and sign Romo. (and yeah, I know how ridiculous that sounds - for more than one reason).

Perhaps whether the get Romo impacts how they approach the rest of the off-season more significantly than just position ally and salary cap concerns... In other words, if they get Romo, they get active in the free agent market (what remains) and even trade for veteran help to plug holes. If they can't get Romo, perhaps they remain less active in free agency (collecting 4 2018 compensatory picks), treat this season as somewhat of a rebuild and actively pursue rookie QB.

 

[Hervoyel]

The main reason why I said he took over a bad team is because the mental make up the team was shot up. You can have all the talent in the world but if the mental aspect is all jacked up, you won't have a good team.

I could see that as a viable take. The 2013 season blindsided the Texans players. A perfect storm of everything going wrong can do that to a team.

 

[thunderkyss]

How anyone can continue to defend Ricky McNair is beyond me.

At what point do you people wake up and realize that at some point we have to quit blaming the coaches and start looking at the men above the Head Coach?!?

He'd be just as bad as he was with the Cleveland Browns, an organization the Texans are WAY closer to than the Patriots. No matter who the coach is of the Browns, the same problems occur, and those problems are basically identical to those of the Texans. But yet we continue the same old coaching carousel, the same old QB carousel, and until you people wake up and speak with your wallets, NOTHING will ever change.

I just don't see it that way at all.

I like this team. I like most of the players. I like a lot of the players we brought into the league, but let go for one reason or another, moreso the players Smith has brought in as opposed to the players Casserly brought in, then released. Many more of Smith's guys have gone on to productive careers.

Not that I believe Rick has done a wonderful job, the lack of a defensive coordinator was a major problem with Kubiak's regime. Neither Kubiak or O'b ever had an OC with a history of success before coming to the Texans.

I know it's O'bs offense just as much as it was Kubiak's offense... but that boils down to not really having a HC (he's still acting like an OC).

Bring in a DC with a history of success & Ricky McNair can field an elite defense.

Imagine our HC had Norv Turner to build his offense & he (our HC) acted more like Belichick, Carroll, Shanahan (when Shanahan had an established OC worth a darn), even Tomlin or Cowher.

But yeah, I buy tickets to see 10 games a season. I enjoy those preseason games as long as it's not the 4th game. & Last season our team won 7 out of 8 home games. I think my money was well spent because I enjoyed the heck out of those games.

I "had" to buy a play off game too. We won that one too. It wasn't a blow out, they didn't have their QB, but I enjoyed the atmosphere all the same.

Sux we didn't go farther. Still, I think we could do a lot worse than Rick Smith.

 

[Texansballer74]

OK,OK, It's hard to build a team and everybody makes mistakes. Let's just keep Rick forever and ever and ever, 'cause we'll never do better than Rick never draft a QB even when you've desperately needed one for 5 years Smith.

You related to the guy? Godson, is that you?

Dude I wanted Smith out here the same time Kubiak got the boot and you know this brother.

Smith didn't draft a quarterback. So how did we get Savage? Plus it is known both Kubiak and O'Brien who are quarterback gurus, came in with the right to bring whoever they wanted at QB. I know, I know, show some proof. Hahaha like everything is truly leaked out huh.
Any sane fan should know this about their teams they follow.

 

[Texansballer74]

How anyone can continue to defend Ricky McNair is beyond me. There's a reason this city has only 2 major championships to their name, and the biggest reason for that, IMO, is the koolaid drinkers simply happy to have football in their city even if it's a sh!tty version of it. There's a pattern with the Texans that can't be ignored where regardless of the changes in coaches, the same problems continue to occur. Poor drafting, mostly poor free agent signings (with Lamar Miller, Johnathan Joseph, and Danieal Manning as the lone exceptions), and an inability to find a QB. At what point do you people wake up and realize that at some point we have to quit blaming the coaches and start looking at the men above the Head Coach?!?

I'm not saying OB is the next Bill Belichick, but I doubt even Bill Belichick would have success with this organization. He'd be just as bad as he was with the Cleveland Browns, an organization the Texans are WAY closer to than the Patriots. No matter who the coach is of the Browns, the same problems occur, and those problems are basically identical to those of the Texans. But yet we continue the same old coaching carousel, the same old QB carousel, and until you people wake up and speak with your wallets, NOTHING will ever change.

Defend. Man bleep Rick Smith. He should have gotten the boot when Kubiak got fired. My stance has nothing to do with defending any freaking body. I'm solely speaking on what I've observed. You can not just put this skit only on Rick Smith.

 

[Say Watt]

I just don't see it that way at all.

I like this team. I like most of the players. I like a lot of the players we brought into the league, but let go for one reason or another, moreso the players Smith has brought in as opposed to the players Casserly brought in, then released. Many more of Smith's guys have gone on to productive careers.

Not that I believe Rick has done a wonderful job, the lack of a defensive coordinator was a major problem with Kubiak's regime. Neither Kubiak or O'b ever had an OC with a history of success before coming to the Texans.

I know it's O'bs offense just as much as it was Kubiak's offense... but that boils down to not really having a HC (he's still acting like an OC).

Bring in a DC with a history of success & Ricky McNair can field an elite defense.

Imagine our HC had Norv Turner to build his offense & he (our HC) acted more like Belichick, Carroll, Shanahan (when Shanahan had an established OC worth a darn), even Tomlin or Cowher.

But yeah, I buy tickets to see 10 games a season. I enjoy those preseason games as long as it's not the 4th game. & Last season our team won 7 out of 8 home games. I think my money was well spent because I enjoyed the heck out of those games.

I "had" to buy a play off game too. We won that one too. It wasn't a blow out, they didn't have their QB, but I enjoyed the atmosphere all the same.

Sux we didn't go farther. Still, I think we could do a lot worse than Rick Smith.

I'm glad you're happy. I sincerely mean that.

I'm just not happy. I'm not happy with our inability to field a truly competitive team. I'm not happy that basically our entire coaching staff got fired and went on to win a Super Bowl elsewhere. I'm not happy with many of our drafting decisions. But most of all, I'm not happy with the choices we have made for QBs to run this franchise. Nothing matters if you can't find a QB. We can hate on the Browns all we want, but I will give them credit for something: at least they have been constantly trying to find a QB.

I'm not unhappy about the Osweiler signing. In fact when it happened, I was very happy. It simply didn't work out. Since then with more research done on the subject, I'm convinced that this team will never find a franchise QB until they start drafting one in the first 3 rounds. When Schaub was basically done, we passed on Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins. A couple of years ago, we passed on Jimmy G. We've drafted a grand total of 2 QBs in the first 3 rounds in our entire history, and Ricky McNair has NEVER drafted one.

I'm not trying to tell you to be unhappy just like me. If you are, that's great. I can't understand why, because this team will never be a contender without a franchise QB and will never get a franchise QB unless they draft one in the first 3 rounds. And that is something to be unhappy about.

 

[Say Watt]

Defend. Man bleep Rick Smith. He should have gotten the boot when Kubiak got fired. My stance has nothing to do with defending any freaking body. I'm solely speaking on what I've observed. You can not just put this skit only on Rick Smith.

Nope. I don't put this only on Ricky. I put the blame on Ricky, Cal, and Bob McNair. Problem is the McNair's aren't selling the team anytime soon, so I can't do anything about them. But Ricky can be fired. And he should have been, as you say, when Kubiak was let go. The fact that Kubiak went on to win a Super Bowl proves it wasn't all Kubiak's fault. In fact, most of the blame likely fell right on Ricky, Cal, and Bob.

I won't truly stand behind this organization, as I once did, until either Ricky is fired or by some miracle Ricky lucks into drafting a franchise QB. Why anyone would be happy with this escapes me.

 

[Texansballer74]

Nope. I don't put this only on Ricky. I put the blame on Ricky, Cal, and Bob McNair. Problem is the McNair's aren't selling the team anytime soon, so I can't do anything about them. But Ricky can be fired. And he should have been, as you say, when Kubiak was let go. The fact that Kubiak went on to win a Super Bowl proves it wasn't all Kubiak's fault. In fact, most of the blame likely fell right on Ricky, Cal, and Bob.

I won't truly stand behind this organization, as I once did, until either Ricky is fired or by some miracle Ricky lucks into drafting a franchise QB. Why anyone would be happy with this escapes me.

That's not real proof that he wasn't the problem. Come on Kubiak love affair with Matt was a big time problem. His refusal to keep him bench cost this team tremendously. Like Thunder stated, his plot to not let Case air it out was a clear indication of rebellion. His offense wasn't the reason why they won the Superbowl either. You can thank Coach Wade Phillips and his number 1 defense for that Superbowl.

 

[thunderkyss]

When Schaub was basically done, we passed on Russell Wilson and Kirk Cousins. A couple of years ago, we passed on Jimmy G. We've drafted a grand total of 2 QBs in the first 3 rounds in our entire history, and Ricky McNair has NEVER drafted one.

I'm not trying to tell you to be unhappy just like me. If you are, that's great. I can't understand why, because this team will never be a contender without a franchise QB and will never get a franchise QB unless they draft one in the first 3 rounds. And that is something to be unhappy about.

Still... I think what you're expressing is out of whack with reality. No offense meant.

We haven't drafted a QB in the first three rounds & all that. Usually the person making this argument is including the six years Matt Schaub played reasonably well.

We weren't going to draft a QB in the first three rounds of any of those years.

Schaub broke his foot & went pick six happy.

Had we not fired Kubiak we might have drafted a QB in 2014. We'll never know. Instead we brought in a new offense. Maybe O'b wanted to evaluate the team before "settling" in on QB. It's not that uncommon.

& if you remember that was the, "There ain't no Andrew Luck in this draft" draft. Had Mariota came out... we may have very well taken him #1 overall.

Then O'bs brother from another mother was available in FA.. then we did the Osweiler thing.

So I don't get the "We've never drafted a QB in the first 3 rounds shtick." In the Smith era, there's only two seasons where we probably should have drafted a QB that early. 2014, 2015.

But you hardly here anyone regret not taking a QB in 2015 & they've stopped most of the "should have drafted Bortles/Bridgewater" stuff.

There's still a lot of Garoppolo talk. That's kinda like the love for the backup QB to me. Still virtually unknown so we assume that late 2nd rounder has a couple of Super Bowl championships in his future though the probability of Savage playing in a Super Bowl is about the same.

 

[Texansballer74]

Nope. I don't put this only on Ricky. I put the blame on Ricky, Cal, and Bob McNair. Problem is the McNair's aren't selling the team anytime soon, so I can't do anything about them. But Ricky can be fired. And he should have been, as you say, when Kubiak was let go. The fact that Kubiak went on to win a Super Bowl proves it wasn't all Kubiak's fault. In fact, most of the blame likely fell right on Ricky, Cal, and Bob.

I won't truly stand behind this organization, as I once did, until either Ricky is fired or by some miracle Ricky lucks into drafting a franchise QB. Why anyone would be happy with this escapes me.

We have a team in our city to cheer for. Those few years without a team was not a good time.

Rick is not the best but he's drafted some good players. My thing is the coaching staff have to coach them up. Coach Crennel did his part. What happened to O'Brien? And let's not put this solely on Brock because none of our skilled players were utilized right. Shoots our #1 receiver couldn't even get opened. And O'Brien didn't start really moving him around the line of scrimmage until week 8. It's not Rick's fault Fuller dropped so many touchdown passes. It's not Rick's fault we started the season with a handicap make shift line.

 

[Texansballer74]

Say Wat we passed on those players because the Head Coaches/ Offense coordinators didn't want those particular quarterbacks. Remember these particular coaches wanted players that fit their schemes. Plus no one thought Wilson or Cousins would be any good. Jimmy G hasn't sniffed the surface yet, so let's wait and see if he's going to be good or not.

 

[thunderkyss]

We have a team in our city to cheer for. Those few years without a team was not a good time.

Rick is not the best but he's drafted some good players. My thing is the coaching staff have to coach them up. Coach Crennel did his part. What happened to O'Brien? And let's not put this solely on Brock because none of our skilled players were utilized right. Shoots our #1 receiver couldn't even get opened. And O'Brien didn't start really moving him around the line of scrimmage until week 8. It's not Rick's fault Fuller dropped so many touchdown passes. It's not Rick's fault we started the season with a handicap make shift line.

The next QB O'b develops in the NFL will be the first QB he's developed in the NFL.

 

[PapaL]

So you guys are mad that we're constantly fielding a playoff team because you don't like GM even though he's rated as above average by his peers?

 

[Texansballer74]

The next QB O'b develops in the NFL will be the first QB he's developed in the NFL.

But Thunder he suppose to be a QB guru after him and Brady had some words on the sideline back in the day.

To his credit he was able to get the best out of Fitzpatrick and Hoyer.

 

[Say Watt]

That's not real proof that he wasn't the problem. Come on Kubiak love affair with Matt was a big time problem. His refusal to keep him bench cost this team tremendously. Like Thunder stated, his plot to not let Case air it out was a clear indication of rebellion. His offense wasn't the reason why they won the Superbowl either. You can thank Coach Wade Phillips and his number 1 defense for that Superbowl.

Don't confuse me for a Kubiak fan. I was ready for him to be fired. But hindsight being 20/20, it must not have been all Gary's fault. He did go off with the exact same freakin coaching staff and win a Super Bowl. That doesn't happen by accident. Sure, some luck is involved, but you've also got to know what you're doing. And as far as total rings are concerned, Gary is one of the most decorated coaches in NFL history. Dude has a ring for almost every finger on his right hand. You can't say he had nothing to do with those wins.

 

[Say Watt]

Still... I think what you're expressing is out of whack with reality. No offense meant.

We haven't drafted a QB in the first three rounds & all that. Usually the person making this argument is including the six years Matt Schaub played reasonably well.

We weren't going to draft a QB in the first three rounds of any of those years.

That is completely asinine. The Packers drafted Aaron Rodgers when Favre still had another great couples seasons left in him. The Patriots have routinely drafted QBs in the first 3 rounds with the greatest QB of all-time on their roster. We had Matt Schaub, and somehow the sunshine pumpers on this forum treat him like he was some hall of fame quarterback.

And by the way, Matt Schaub did NOT play 6 years of football. He played a combined total of about 4, due to all his injuries. Once we saw his susceptibility to injury in his first two seasons with the team, we should have been preparing for a backup plan. Then when he went down with the Lisfranc injury, we ABSOLUTELY should have drafted a QB early.

So I don't get the "We've never drafted a QB in the first 3 rounds shtick." In the Smith era, there's only two seasons where we probably should have drafted a QB that early. 2014, 2015.

Even after trading for Schaub, a huge risk at the time, we should have looked to draft a QB in his first couple of years as a true backup option. Teams do it all the time and with as frequently as QBs can go down with injury, it's always good to have legitimate options. After his back to back injuries, we absolutely should have drafted one. And you are nuts to think we shouldn't have drafted a QB in 2012 after Schaub's Lisfranc injury. So bare minimum we should have drafted one in one of Schaub's first two seasons, then absolutely in 2012, and again in 2013, with some serious uncertainty about Schaub's stability.

At this point, you appear to be grasping at straws just to try and justify your homerism.

 

[Say Watt]

We have a team in our city to cheer for. Those few years without a team was not a good time.

There's only so long that continues to satisfy.

Rick is not the best but he's drafted some good players. My thing is the coaching staff have to coach them up. Coach Crennel did his part. What happened to O'Brien? And let's not put this solely on Brock because none of our skilled players were utilized right. Shoots our #1 receiver couldn't even get opened. And O'Brien didn't start really moving him around the line of scrimmage until week 8. It's not Rick's fault Fuller dropped so many touchdown passes. It's not Rick's fault we started the season with a handicap make shift line.

Rick has been successful in the first round. That's really it.

Say Wat we passed on those players because the Head Coaches/ Offense coordinators didn't want those particular quarterbacks. Remember these particular coaches wanted players that fit their schemes. Plus no one thought Wilson or Cousins would be any good. Jimmy G hasn't sniffed the surface yet, so let's wait and see if he's going to be good or not.

How do you know that the Head Coaches/Offensive Coordinators didn't want to draft those players?

You tell me, even with so much uncertainty surround Jimmy G, would he have been a better pick than XSF? My point is when you don't have a QB, it's NOTHING to draft one in the 2nd or 3rd round nearly every year. You are almost never going to win in the NFL without a QB and with all the misses this franchise has had in the 2nd and 3rd round, those picks would have been WAY better spent on a risk for a QB.

So you guys are mad that we're constantly fielding a playoff team because you don't like GM even though he's rated as above average by his peers?

In the worst division in football, LOL. And constantly fielding a playoff team? The Texans have been to the playoffs 4 times in 16 seasons. And if we're just talking Smith, it's 4 times in 10 seasons. I think you and I have a WAY different view on what the word "constantly" means.

 

[tedr]

Ultimately, I think a GM should be judged on the team's performance over the time he's in the position. For me, it comes down to this: he's been GM 10 years...their record is 82-78...they have made the playoffs 4 times...their record there is 3-4, with no trips to a conference championship game. To me, and this is solely my opinion, that doesn't justify him keeping his job.

 

[Say Watt]

Ultimately, I think a GM should be judged on the team's performance over the time he's in the position. For me, it comes down to this: he's been GM 10 years...their record is 82-78...they have made the playoffs 4 times...their record there is 3-4, with no trips to a conference championship game. To me, and this is solely my opinion, that doesn't justify him keeping his job.

Very well said. It's very average and add on the inability to find a QB in 10 years (Schaub was Kubiak's guy by all accounts), and you have a GM that simply isn't cutting the mustard.

 

[steelbtexan]

We have a team in our city to cheer for. Those few years without a team was not a good time.

Rick is not the best but he's drafted some good players. My thing is the coaching staff have to coach them up. Coach Crennel did his part. What happened to O'Brien? And let's not put this solely on Brock because none of our skilled players were utilized right. Shoots our #1 receiver couldn't even get opened. And O'Brien didn't start really moving him around the line of scrimmage until week 8. It's not Rick's fault Fuller dropped so many touchdown passes. It's not Rick's fault we started the season with a handicap make shift line.

See: some would rather not have a team than just have another version of the Oilers, which is what the Texans basically are. (Without the embarrassing Buffalo/K.C./Denver losses).

Who drafted Fuller? The makeshift Ol and Os fall strictly on Ricky McNair. Unless you think BOB is running the draft/personnel/FA. Which isn't what BOB said at his season ending PC.

Ricky McNair must not have any culpability in the making of this mediocre franchise and make no mistake this franchise has been a hallmark of mediocrity at best over he last decade. 6-10, 2-14 and Ricky McNair still has his job, how does that happen if ownership is committed to building a true winning franchise that this city has longed for for the last 50 yrs?

Meanwhile the McNair's have the 7th most profitable sports franchise in the world. It's pretty easy to see where their priorities lie. The fans of the McNair's team deserve better. I know some that will say the fans deserve what they pay for and I respectfully disagree.

 

[thunderkyss]

At this point, you appear to be grasping at straws just to try and justify your homerism.

OR, I realize we're not the Patriots. They're in a position that allows them to do things we cannot. They trade away 1st round picks after a couple of years. They trade away their best defensive lineman in his prime. They cheat.

It's also worth noting that none of the QBs New England drafted, or acquired after Brady have amounted to anything. Not Cassel, not Hoyer, not Mallett... imagine Rick drafted three bums that didn't amount to anything (which he did; Yates, Keenum, Savage).

Green Bay drafted Rodgers because they believed Favre was going to retire that season or the next. Same reason New England drafted Garoppolo.

I would have drafted a QB in 2012 as well. They didn't. For all we know, they had their QB progression all figured out. If Matt couldn't play they would finish the year with Yates & draft a QB the following year. Matt played well, led the team to 12-4. Broke down a bit at the end of the season, but maybe he'll get healthy & make 16+ games in 2013. If not, Yates would help us finish the season & we'll draft a QB in 2014. But the wheels fell off Matt a lot earlier than expected & we had the Civil War that the godfather won....

But if you're going to argue we should have drafted a QB early after Schaub's second year... I got nothing. Probably shouldn't have started down this path.

 

[thunderkyss]

Ultimately, I think a GM should be judged on the team's performance over the time he's in the position. For me, it comes down to this: he's been GM 10 years...their record is 82-78...they have made the playoffs 4 times...their record there is 3-4, with no trips to a conference championship game. To me, and this is solely my opinion, that doesn't justify him keeping his job.

You also have to consider where he started. He took over a failed expansion team, turned them into a winning team, took that winning team & got them to the playoffs 4 times in the last six years.

If he keeps doing what he's been doing & the team continues to improve as it has been, we'll probably be in 2 of the next 4 AFCCGs. Hopefully winning one of them.

 

[thunderkyss]

Who drafted Fuller? The makeshift Ol and Os fall strictly on Ricky McNair. Unless you think BOB is running the draft/personnel/FA. Which isn't what BOB said at his season ending PC.

Who acquired the other 19 starters (outside of Osweiler, Fuller, & Allen)

Unless you're credit8ng BOB, which isn't what he said at his season ending press conference.

Ricky McNair must not have any culpability in the making of this mediocre franchise and make no mistake this franchise has been a hallmark of mediocrity at best over he last decade. 6-10, 2-14 and Ricky McNair still has his job, how does that happen if ownership is committed to building a true winning franchise that this city has longed for for the last 50 yrs?

Firing the HC was a logical step. Makes sense to see what your GM does with a second HC. If this guy doesn't work out, I would imagine Smith would be replaced. For the record, I advocated getting rid of Ricky before getting rid of Kubiak. I'd just as soon seen him fired with Kubiak. That didn't happen, all I'm saying is its only been three years since we fired Kubiak, only three years with HC #2, three winning seasons, two playoff appearance, one divisional round appearance... I can understand not firing Slicky Ricky.

Meanwhile the McNair's have the 7th most profitable sports franchise in the world. It's pretty easy to see where their priorities lie. The fans of the McNair's team deserve better. I know some that will say the fans deserve what they pay for and I respectfully disagree.

If you can't see McNair's increasing frustration, you're just not looking.

 

[PapaL]

Exactly! Now that they're being successful we should fire him? I don't care how strong the division is. Are we winning? Yes. Do we have probowl players? Yes. Now that we field a competitive team isn't the time to make a move. I'm not a fan of cutting off my nose. Thats right, we're not the Pats. We're one of the other 31 teams that lost.

 

[Say Watt]

OR, I realize we're not the Patriots. They're in a position that allows them to do things we cannot. They trade away 1st round picks after a couple of years. They trade away their best defensive lineman in his prime. They cheat.

Hell, doesn't have to be the Patriots. I'll take the Steelers, Packers, Seahawks, Broncos, Colts, or Ravens as well. You might be content enjoying the same success as the Bengals, Chargers, Vikings, or Bears, but I'm not and nor should you.

It's also worth noting that none of the QBs New England drafted, or acquired after Brady have amounted to anything. Not Cassel, not Hoyer, not Mallett... imagine Rick drafted three bums that didn't amount to anything (which he did; Yates, Keenum, Savage).

Funny, but I kind of think most of those QBs would have done just fine in New England. Hell, Cassell played in 16 games for them in 2008 and had a pretty nice year. I'd be surprised if any of those guys would have looked like bums in New England.

Green Bay drafted Rodgers because they believed Favre was going to retire that season or the next. Same reason New England drafted Garoppolo.

Well sure they thought Favre would retire, but they still had to jump on the chance to draft someone. The Texans have never had a QB that could even sniff Favre's jockstrap, yet it's like pulling teeth to get them to draft a QB in the first 3 rounds. And Favre played another 3 solid seasons for them. Which by the way, seems COMPLETELY hypocritical to me that you excuse the Texans not drafting a QB after Schaub's injuries but think the Packers ONLY drafted Rodgers because Favre was about to retire. Methinks if it had been the Texans in the Packers position, there is no chance in hell that they'd have drafted Rodgers. They'd have ridden Favre into the ground until he retired, and then would have signed some mediocre backup to come in and run the ship for them. It's the Texans way from Tony Banks to Sage Rosenfels to TJ Yates. We have NEVER had a real backup QB with potential.

New England might have drafted Jimmy G for that reason, or they could have just liked him. Since 2008, the Patriots have drafted 3 QBs in the top 3 rounds. We've drafted zero. How you can excuse that is simply baffling.

I already said I'm fine with the Brock signing. You have to take risks in this league, especially with QBs. If the Texans just swung and missed on QBs in the draft, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. Problem is they have never even walked up to the damn plate.

I would have drafted a QB in 2012 as well. They didn't. For all we know, they had their QB progression all figured out. If Matt couldn't play they would finish the year with Yates & draft a QB the following year. Matt played well, led the team to 12-4. Broke down a bit at the end of the season, but maybe he'll get healthy & make 16+ games in 2013. If not, Yates would help us finish the season & we'll draft a QB in 2014. But the wheels fell off Matt a lot earlier than expected & we had the Civil War that the godfather won....

You can attempt to justify it with your theories, but it was purely idiotic to not do it. That's not revisionist history. Schaub was coming off a MAJOR injury, and I remember Doc talking about it after it happened that there was a good chance Schaub would not be the same type of QB. Dude was already a statue and now what limited mobility he had was gone. Also, he was going to have WAY more difficulty pushing off his foot to make throws. So either Ricky is incompetent, or the Texans doctors are. Either way, you have an organization filled with incompetence.

But if you're going to argue we should have drafted a QB early after Schaub's second year... I got nothing. Probably shouldn't have started down this path.

Sorry you started down it, but you're looking at a guy that could not stay healthy. So often with QBs once the injuries start, they never stop. Sure, you can have the freak injuries, like Brady's kneee in 2008, but I'm one that tends to believe in the label injury prone. And Schaub was most certainly that.

Now, do I think not drafting a QB early in his career was even in Ricky's top 25 mistakes? No. I can excuse missing the injury signals. I just can't excuse drafting zero in his entire tenure. I don't even see how it's debatable.

 

[Speedy]

Dude I wanted Smith out here the same time Kubiak got the boot and you know this brother.

Smith didn't draft a quarterback. So how did we get Savage? Plus it is known both Kubiak and O'Brien who are quarterback gurus, came in with the right to bring whoever they wanted at QB. I know, I know, show some proof. Hahaha like everything is truly leaked out huh.
Any sane fan should know this about their teams they follow.

Desperate for QB and drafting a Savage in the 4th, is not addressing the position. Especially when he's been here for 3 of the 5 years they've been starving for QB and has played all of 2 games. You know this "brother".

And as far as O'Brien being a QB guru, how so? Because he got retreads like Fitz and Hoyer to have their best seasons, which still wasn't all that? Yeah, not buying it.

And if you've wanted Rick gone all this time, why are you defending him like he's your BFF?

The Texans have had a MAJOR issue at the most important position on a football team for 5 years. Rick has brought in Fitz, Mallett, Hoyer, Osweiler, Weeden and drafted Savage in the 4th, all while passing on Cousins, Foles, Wilson, Bridgewater, Garropolo, Carr. Yes, all GMs miss on draft picks and FAs, but to not address the most important position of your team for 5 years....come on, man! And when he finally does, the talent eval is so piss poor that they end up with the worst FA signing of all-time. You've got to do better than that as a GM.

And I don't care if it's O'Brien who said he wanted the guys we've had and didn't want those others, it all reflects on the guy who is supposed to be the builder of the football team, and that's Rick. Any sane fan knows this.

 

[steelbtexan]

Who acquired the other 19 starters (outside of Osweiler, Fuller, & Allen)

Unless you're credit8ng BOB, which isn't what he said at his season ending press conference.



Firing the HC was a logical step. Makes sense to see what your GM does with a second HC. If this guy doesn't work out, I would imagine Smith would be replaced. For the record, I advocated getting rid of Ricky before getting rid of Kubiak. I'd just as soon seen him fired with Kubiak. That didn't happen, all I'm saying is its only been three years since we fired Kubiak, only three years with HC #2, three winning seasons, two playoff appearance, one divisional round appearance... I can understand not firing Slicky Ricky.


If you can't see McNair's increasing frustration, you're just not looking.

I'm not going to change your mind and if McNair was truly frustrated he would change the way his franchise goes about acquiring players, you know like the Pats have done over the past decade and most importantly this offseason. (Not gonna happen) This is what BOB asked McNair to do and McNair declined. BOB wanted to add a Pats FO guy to run the draft/FA like the Pats do. I believe the guys name was Cesario or something like that.

 

[steelbtexan]

You also have to consider where he started. He took over a failed expansion team, turned them into a winning team, took that winning team & got them to the playoffs 4 times in the last six years.

If he keeps doing what he's been doing & the team continues to improve as it has been, we'll probably be in 2 of the next 4 AFCCGs. Hopefully winning one of them.

You're very optimistic.

 

[thunderkyss]

New England might have drafted Jimmy G for that reason, or they could have just liked him. Since 2008, the Patriots have drafted 3 QBs in the top 3 rounds. We've drafted zero. How you can excuse that is simply baffling.

How many QBs have Dallas drafted in the first three rounds since 2008?

How many QBs have San Diego drafted in the first three rounds since 2008?

How many QBs have Arizona drafted in the first three rounds since 200i8?

How many QBS have the Lions drafted in the first three rounds since 2008?


I don't think it's all that baffling.

You can attempt to justify it with your theories, but it was purely idiotic to not do it. That's not revisionist history. Schaub was coming off a MAJOR injury, and I remember Doc talking about it after it happened that there was a good chance Schaub would not be the same type of QB.

Not to take anything away from CnnD but Schaub's "major" injury was in 2011. He had a strong 2012. Even made the Pro Bowl. While I believe lingering effects of the injury was a big part of his issues in 2013, he's yet to use it as an excuse, or have any additional surgeries, where Dez Bryant & Kevin Johnson have had second surgeries for theirs. & I believe there are several defensive backs playing at a high level after lisfranc surgery.

So no... I don't think it was egregious that the Texans felt like Schaub may be better two seasons post operation.

& elsewhere on this board we've got a slew of people anxiously awaiting the signing of a guy, much older than Schaub was then who's had chronic back issues, at least one back surgery, & two broken collar bones. (I mean if we're going to throw around the hypocritical word).

Sorry you started down it, but you're looking at a guy that could not stay healthy. So often with QBs once the injuries start, they never stop. Sure, you can have the freak injuries, like Brady's kneee in 2008, but I'm one that tends to believe in the label injury prone. And Schaub was most certainly that.

Now, do I think not drafting a QB early in his career was even in Ricky's top 25 mistakes? No. I can excuse missing the injury signals. I just can't excuse drafting zero in his entire tenure. I don't even see how it's debatable.

The only QBs I regret the Texans passing on is Aaron Rodgers & Russell Wilso but that's only in hindsight. I don't think any of the others, Kolb, Cousins, Nick Files, JimmyG would have done any better than Schaub, Rivers, or Romo. Yeah, we may have looked better, but the results would have been the same.. I don't think any of them are going to be leading their team past the divisional round.

So it doesn't bother me that Rick didn't draft Cousins in the 4th, or Foles in the third. Or trade up to get Garopollo with a late 2nd. I'm more upset we didn't trade what we needed to get Winston, or Mariota. I'm more upset that O'b didn't bring in Norv Turner, Adam Gase, Mike McCoy, Chan Gailey.

 

[steelbtexan]

How many QBs have Dallas drafted in the first three rounds since 2008?

How many QBs have San Diego drafted in the first three rounds since 2008?

How many QBs have Arizona drafted in the first three rounds since 200i8?

How many QBS have the Lions drafted in the first three rounds since 2008?


I don't think it's all that baffling.



Not to take anything away from CnnD but Schaub's "major" injury was in 2011. He had a strong 2012. Even made the Pro Bowl. While I believe lingering effects of the injury was a big part of his issues in 2013, he's yet to use it as an excuse, or have any additional surgeries, where Dez Bryant & Kevin Johnson have had second surgeries for theirs. & I believe there are several defensive backs playing at a high level after lisfranc surgery.

So no... I don't think it was egregious that the Texans felt like Schaub may be better two seasons post operation.

& elsewhere on this board we've got a slew of people anxiously awaiting the signing of a guy, much older than Schaub was then who's had chronic back issues, at least one back surgery, & two broken collar bones. (I mean if we're going to throw around the hypocritical word).



The only QBs I regret the Texans passing on is Aaron Rodgers & Russell Wilso but that's only in hindsight. I don't think any of the others, Kolb, Cousins, Nick Files, JimmyG would have done any better than Schaub, Rivers, or Romo. Yeah, we may have looked better, but the results would have been the same.. I don't think any of them are going to be leading their team past the divisional round.

So it doesn't bother me that Rick didn't draft Cousins in the 4th, or Foles in the third. Or trade up to get Garopollo with a late 2nd. I'm more upset we didn't trade what we needed to get Winston, or Mariota. I'm more upset that O'b didn't bring in Norv Turner, Adam Gase, Mike McCoy, Chan Gailey.

This isn't what/when I remember CND predicting what would happen with Schaub.

Lets just say I disagree with the rest of the post because any of the QB's Ricky passed on would be better than what they have now. Your thought process baffles me and sometimes I think you just try to be argumentative.

 

[JB]

This isn't what/when I remember CND predicting what would happen with Schaub.

Lets just say I disagree with the rest of the post because any of the QB's Ricky passed on would be better than what they have now. Your thought process baffles me and sometimes I think you just try to be argumentative.

After the Schaub injury, who did we have a chance to draft? Osweiler in 2012? Wilson went 1 pick before ours. in 2013 the top QB was EJ Manuel and then Geno Smith. The mistake was not taking a QB in 2014, not before then.

 

[steelbtexan]

After the Schaub injury, who did we have a chance to draft? Osweiler in 2012? Wilson went 1 pick before ours. in 2013 the top QB was EJ Manuel and then Geno Smith. The mistake was not taking a QB in 2014, not before then.

Jimmy G/McCarron/Cousins/Prescott/Dalton/Flacco/Brees/Rodgers/Carr (Who I didn't want) etc.... to name a few. Fact is the QB position has been neglected.

Ever heard of trading up to get your QB?

 

[infantrycak]

Jimmy G/McCarron/Cousins/Prescott/Dalton/Flacco/Brees/Rodgers/Carr (Who I didn't want) etc.... to name a few. Fact is the QB position has been neglected.

Ever heard of trading up to get your QB?

What are you just hucking names out? Flacco was 2008, Dalton 2011 (i.e. pre-injury to Schaub), and Brees went to the Saints in 2006.

Pretty clearly JB was asking about the 2012 & 2013 drafts. Mike Glennon is the only QB from 2013 who may start this year. 2012 it's Tannehill (gone long before our pick and not a guy you move up to 8 for), Wilson and Cousins (both drafted as backups but have worked out). Since you like 'all 31 teams' arguments I'm sure you'll agree all 32 teams agreed.

 

[steelbtexan]

What are you just hucking names out? Flacco was 2008, Dalton 2011 (i.e. pre-injury to Schaub), and Brees went to the Saints in 2006.

Pretty clearly JB was asking about the 2012 & 2013 drafts. Mike Glennon is the only QB from 2013 who may start this year. 2012 it's Tannehill (gone long before our pick and not a guy you move up to 8 for), Wilson and Cousins (both drafted as backups but have worked out). Since you like 'all 31 teams' arguments I'm sure you'll agree all 32 teams agreed.

Bottom line is Ricky McNair has neglected the QB position for a decade.

We can debate this all you want, but just look at his drafts and that says it all.

 

[infantrycak]

Bottom line is Ricky McNair has neglected the QB position for a decade.

We can debate this all you want, but just look at his drafts and that says it all.

It might if the draft was the only way to acquire QBs. It isn't.

 

[thunderkyss]

Lets just say I disagree with the rest of the post because any of the QB's Ricky passed on would be better than what they have now. Your thought process baffles me...

Better than what we have now, maybe. Good enough to beat Brady in the playoffs, I don't think so. Good enough to win Super Bowls... I don't think so.

If we were to pass up on a prospect like Luck, Stafford, or Rivers (prototypical) I'd be upset. But passing on shot in the dark guys like Foles, Cousins, Garoppolo, or Bridgewater, not so much. Especially since we've gone from Schaub to Mallett, to Osweiler, which is pretty much the same thing.

I know in your mind they're much better players, but think about end results. What have they done that Schaub, Mallett, or Osweiler didn't? Get to the playoffs? No, Schaub & Osweiler got to the playoffs.

They may have looked better doing it. You may even fool yourself into thinking next year will be better, because you've got your QB. But it's fools gold. Just like Romo making incredible play after incredible play... he's still going to lose to the Packers, Falcons, or Giants in the playoffs. If he's in the AFC, he's going to lose to Brady, Ben, & Flacco.

& yeah I know Rivers, Luck, & Stafford haven't done much better, but those are blue chip, prototypical QBs.Those are the guys I get upset about my GM passing on. Not the shot in the dark players we're talking about here. He took his own shots. They didn't work out just like the Foles, Cousins, & all the other QBs we're comparing ours to.

Then, Rick brought some of those guys in, like Matt Lienart, Brandon Weeden, & Osweiler...

Most of the guys we're "upset" that Rick didn't draft, we don't even talk about any more, because they proven to be not good enough to be in the league.

 

[DX-TEX]

I dont usually post McClain articles but he dead on here.

http://www.houstonchronicle.com/spo...for-alarm-about-Texans-offseason-11021430.php

Last season, the Texans were 5-0 against AFC South quarterbacks drafted first (Andrew Luck), second (Marcus Mariota) and third (Blake Bortles) overall. Why? Primarily because of their defense.

The return of Watt and cornerback Kevin Johnson, who missed the last 12 games counting the playoffs, will be a huge benefit.

Having Watt and Jadeveon Clowney sandwiched around second-year nose tackle D.J. Reader could give the Texans the best defensive line in the NFL.

With outside linebacker Whitney Mercilus joining Watt and Clowney, the Texans should have one of the league's most impressive pass rushes.

After quarterback and right tackle, the Texans' biggest needs are cornerback, safety and outside linebacker.

This draft is outstanding for defensive backs and good enough for linebackers who can set the edge. The key is finding the right prospects and developing them.

In O'Brien's three seasons, the coaches have done a terrific job of developing players.

Look how the Texans developed Bouye, Simon and Demps and turned them into multimillionaires.

Bouye was an undrafted free agent. Simon was signed off Baltimore's practice squad. Demps was signed off the street for the second time.

Bouye, Simon and Demps represent three compensatory draft picks in 2018 when Smith traded his second-round pick to Cleveland to get Osweiler's contract off their books.

On May 9, 10 days after the draft, unrestricted free agents who haven't been signed no longer figure into the compensatory equation. They become street free agents.

So expect the Texans to sign some veteran free agents to go with draft choices and undrafted free agents.

For everyone wringing their hands over the Texans' lack of activity and the impact it could have on the season, keep this in mind.

At this time a year ago, nobody had any idea if Clowney could stay healthy. Bouye was the fourth cornerback on the depth chart. And reserve center Greg Mancz, who had signed as an undrafted free agent, was an afterthought on the depth chart.

 

[thunderkyss]

After the Schaub injury, who did we have a chance to draft? Osweiler in 2012? Wilson went 1 pick before ours. in 2013 the top QB was EJ Manuel and then Geno Smith. The mistake was not taking a QB in 2014, not before then.

Maybe. I thought we were looking for a franchise QB. Someone who can win a Super Bowl. Someone who can be considered amongst the best of the best.

Leading into the 2014 draft the talk was "there is no Andrew Luck" in this draft. & so far, it's proving out to be that way. Bortles, no one "wishes" we had him now. So far, it looks like the game is too big for him, the jump was too big... just like many predicted before the draft. Manziel... that went about as well as most people predicted. Bridgewater... he's already missed an entire season due to injury... as most predicted. Carr... kid looks good. I hope he wins a Super Bowl. Whether you like it or not, the Texans had their reasons for not even considering him & they're plausible reasons. Mettenberger... went as predicted. Garappolo, McCarron, Savage... we're still in wait & see mode. But late round 2nds are no more likely to turn into franchise QBs than late round 4ths, & 6th round picks. Even undrafted free agents like Fitzpatrick & Hoyer have made careers similar to what a late 2nd or late 4th/6th can be expected to have.

Had Bortles turned into Roethlisberger (the player) or even Flacco (which he still might), then I'd be upset that we passed on a QB since 2011. Until then, we're btching because our GM didn't take a flyer on a scrub. That he gets his scrubs on the cheap.

 

[steelbtexan]

It might if the draft was the only way to acquire QBs. It isn't.

Other than Schaub, who I think you would agree was a Kubiak pick, what other top tier QB's has Ricky attempted to trade/draft?

We are going to go around and around on this. Fact is the Texans haven't had a competent QB in the last 5 yrs and that falls on little Ricky. Or atleast it should.

I'm out of here for the day, time to go play some golf instead of going round and round about things we cant change and are unlikely to change in the near future with the Texans org.

 

[steelbtexan]

Better than what we have now, maybe. Good enough to beat Brady in the playoffs, I don't think so. Good enough to win Super Bowls... I don't think so.

If we were to pass up on a prospect like Luck, Stafford, or Rivers (prototypical) I'd be upset. But passing on shot in the dark guys like Foles, Cousins, Garoppolo, or Bridgewater, not so much. Especially since we've gone from Schaub to Mallett, to Osweiler, which is pretty much the same thing.

I know in your mind they're much better players, but think about end results. What have they done that Schaub, Mallett, or Osweiler didn't? Get to the playoffs? No, Schaub & Osweiler got to the playoffs.

They may have looked better doing it. You may even fool yourself into thinking next year will be better, because you've got your QB. But it's fools gold. Just like Romo making incredible play after incredible play... he's still going to lose to the Packers, Falcons, or Giants in the playoffs. If he's in the AFC, he's going to lose to Brady, Ben, & Flacco.

& yeah I know Rivers, Luck, & Stafford haven't done much better, but those are blue chip, prototypical QBs.Those are the guys I get upset about my GM passing on. Not the shot in the dark players we're talking about here. He took his own shots. They didn't work out just like the Foles, Cousins, & all the other QBs we're comparing ours to.

Then, Rick brought some of those guys in, like Matt Lienart, Brandon Weeden, & Osweiler...

Most of the guys we're "upset" that Rick didn't draft, we don't even talk about any more, because they proved to be not good enough to be in the league.

Man you sure assume/know a lot of stuff. I would've liked to see a Cousins level QB play against the Pats in the playoffs. I would've taken my chances last yr with that.

 

[thunderkyss]

Bottom line is Ricky McNair has neglected the QB position for a decade.

We can debate this all you want, but just look at his drafts and that says it all.

Rick Smith spent two 2nds on Schaub, a 5th on Yates, signed Case Keenum & Jared Zabransky (who I really liked), Matt Lienart (former 1st round pick), Brandon Weeden (former 1st round pick), & Brock Osweiler (former 2nd round pick).

He may not have addressed the position the way you wanted, but when the pickings are slim... the pickings are slim.

Trade up to get a guy? I'm with you. But most of the guys we've talked about in the last few years, "we" pretty much agreed haven't been worth trading up to get. Most of them. & again... they were happy with Schaub, you may not agree with them, but it's not a decision that's just so out there. Not a decision you would have made, I get that.

But really, we're talking about a small time frame that he "should" have drafted a QB. A time frame that included a coaching change & that imo alleviates some of the "should." Kubiak had Yates, who would have made a fine "bridge" until the 2014 season. But McNair forced him to play Keenum. O'b was waiting on Hoyer, then we forced Osweiler on him (if you want to believe that)..... & here we are.

Making it seem like an issue since 2007 weakens the argument imo.