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Is the Front Office on Vacation???

maverick512000 said:
Well if you can't be bothered to read more than a paragraph or two then I no longer see why I should bother to consider any points you might be trying to make.

Of course it's not all that complex blah blah blah Rick Smith is evil blah blah blah Texans are the worst team in the NFL blah blah blah after 15 seasons we should be multiple time SB champs blah blah blah I can run this better than anybody else.

You remind of a line from Heileins Glory Road

"He knows little, understands nothing and thinks the universe would be better if he designed it"
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If you truly think this then you shouldn't respond to my posts.

Nowhere have I mentioned multiple SB champs. BTW, Great debate tactic trying to change the narrative.

I've mentioned what the Texans org has done this offseason vs what EVERY other team in the NFL has done.

Please feel free to not respond.
 
TheKDog said:
No one told O'Brien who to sign, draft or start.

Ricky McNair isn't a football guy. They didn't make any decisions under Kubiak and they aren't now.

O'Brien is leaking bs IMO
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Not just you, but this is where fans disagree.

I think BOB is leaking things this offseason like he's never done before because he's trying to save his reputation around the NFL.

BOB saying that Ricky is over FA/Draft in his season ending PC is a clue as to what's really going on. Why did BOB stop towing the company line like he did his previous 2 yrs here.
 
infantrycak said:
Yup. Even more, steelb would have you believe RS and McNair were forcing Oz on OB and otherwise conflicting with him such that OB wanted to leave. Well then who talked him out of leaving?
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Mc Nair and millions of $$$$ he left on the board if he quit.
 
infantrycak said:
BS If that is for Oz. If Godsey is scapegoat for anything it is OB's failure to build an effective offense. He's been on a downward slope his whole time here.
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I wasn't a fan of Godsey's since seeing him on Hard Knocks. Didn't seem like he was in the right job.
 
steelbtexan said:
I agree with this post except

1. The only young QB BOB has had a chance to develop is Savage. I'm not sure he handpicked Savage even though he worked Savage out. Rumor is he wanted Jimmy G.

I believe the lack of investment in the QB position Falls strictly on Ricky McNair. It happened during the Kubiak era and has continued into the BOB era. I also think fans that believe Ricky will spend # 25 on a QB aren't familiar with their Texans history.

I also disagree, there are still a couple of FA's out there that could really help the Texans. I would take that 6-10 mil you were talking about and invest in Hankins /Brown. This would free up the draft to rebuild the OL. There's nothing left out there in FA on the OL. Use the remaining FA period to help the defense and draft offense heavily.
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No that's not the case. They allowed BOB to hand pick his quarterbacks in the beginning. Fitzpatrick, Hoyer, Mallett and Savage are all Bill O'Brien's picks. Neither of those quarterbacks didn't pan out. They allowed him to select the quarterbacks he wanted because he's supposedly be this quarterback whisper/guru.
 
steelbtexan said:
Not just you, but this is where fans disagree.

I think BOB is leaking things this offseason like he's never done before because he's trying to save his reputation around the NFL.

BOB saying that Ricky is over FA/Draft in his season ending PC is a clue as to what's really going on. Why did BOB stop towing the company line like he did his previous 2 yrs here.
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He stopped towing the company line because his moves have been disastrous. Look how bad the offense is, of course he wants to shift blame.

No one doubted he had control of the roster until the offense started looking like garbage and he started leaking that he wasn't in charge. He's trying to save his reputation.

Rick being over fa and draft just means he sends the fax to the commissioner. It's technically correct because that's what the org chart says but O'Brien is getting his guys and trading the picks away. The roster moves are completely different from the Kubiak era.

And he's always leaked like this, starting with calling Clowney lazy.
 
Texansballer74 said:
No that's not the case. They allowed BOB to hand pick his quarterbacks in the beginning. Fitzpatrick, Hoyer, Mallett and Savage are all Bill O'Brien's picks. Neither of those quarterbacks didn't pan out. They allowed him to select the quarterbacks he wanted because he's supposedly be this quarterback whisper/guru.
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If true and I'm not saying you're wrong, why did they wait until the end of TC to trade for Mallett. I'm fairly certain that wasn't BOB's idea.
 
TheKDog said:
He stopped towing the company line because his moves have been disastrous. Look how bad the offense is, of course he wants to shift blame.

No one doubted he had control of the roster until the offense started looking like garbage and he started leaking that he wasn't in charge. He's trying to save his reputation.

Rick being over fa and draft just means he sends the fax to the commissioner. It's technically correct because that's what the org chart says but O'Brien is getting his guys and trading the picks away. The roster moves are completely different from the Kubiak era.

And he's always leaked like this, starting with calling Clowney lazy.
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We disagree on this post.

2 different regimes and still talking about the same thing things. Do you think BOB said hey guys don't sign anybody in the first 2 weeks of FA?
 
steelbtexan said:
If true and I'm not saying you're wrong, why did they wait until the end of TC to trade for Mallett. I'm fairly certain that wasn't BOB's idea.
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That was all BOB idea since he worked with Mallett. Mallett was also in this system for 4 years behind the greatest quarterback to play this game. So Smith and McNair bought into the hype and grabbed the player Bill O'Brien wanted.
 
Texansballer74 said:
No that's not the case. They allowed BOB to hand pick his quarterbacks in the beginning. Fitzpatrick, Hoyer, Mallett and Savage are all Bill O'Brien's picks. Neither of those quarterbacks didn't pan out. They allowed him to select the quarterbacks he wanted because he's supposedly be this quarterback whisper/guru.
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Nobody does not know that with which didn't not happen.
 
steelbtexan said:
We disagree on this post.

2 different regimes and still talking about the same thing things. Do you think BOB said hey guys don't sign anybody in the first 2 weeks of FA?
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Do you think Kubiak would not have signed anyone in the first 2 weeks?

And its not the same problems. For starters Kubiak would never build such a horrible offense or throw away so many picks
 
Texansballer74 said:
That was all BOB idea since he worked with Mallett. Mallett was also in this system for 4 years behind the greatest quarterback to play this game. So Smith and McNair bought into the hype and grabbed the player Bill O'Brien wanted.
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So it was BOB's idea to have Mallett miss all of TC.

OK
 
TheKDog said:
Do you think Kubiak would not have signed anyone in the first 2 weeks?

And its not the same problems. For starters Kubiak would never build such a horrible offense or throw away so many picks
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Well, Kubiak didn't wait 2 weeks in Denver.

Why, because Elway makes the calls.

Why was it different in Houston? Because the GM is making the calls.

Trust me BOB didn't say, hey Rick lets wait 2 weeks when all of the high end FA's are gone then we will start looking at what's left over in FA. No HC would say that.
 
steelbtexan said:
Well, Kubiak didn't wait 2 weeks in Denver.

Why, because Elway makes the calls.

Why was it different in Houston? Because the GM is making the calls.

Trust me BOB didn't say, hey Rick lets wait 2 weeks when all of the high end FA's are gone then we will start looking at what's left over in FA. No HC would say that.
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Kubiak dumped Carr after 1 year and got Schaub who played at a pro bowl level several years. 4 years into Obriens tenure I'd settle for that.

Where is O'Brien? Vacation?
 
steelbtexan said:
If true and I'm not saying you're wrong, why did they wait until the end of TC to trade for Mallett. I'm fairly certain that wasn't BOB's idea.
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That was all BOB idea since he worked with Mallett. Mallett was also in this system for 4 years behind the greatest quarterback to play this game. So Smith and McNair bought into the hype and grabbed the player Bill O'Brien wanted.

steelbtexan said:
So it was BOB's idea to have Mallett miss all of TC.

OK
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What. Now you're blaming Rick because Belichick was playing hard ball.

And what does that have to do with what I said. The facts of the matter is Bill O'Brien hand picked Mallett.
 
steelbtexan said:
I agree with this post except

1. The only young QB BOB has had a chance to develop is Savage. I'm not sure he handpicked Savage even though he worked Savage out. Rumor is he wanted Jimmy G.

I believe the lack of investment in the QB position Falls strictly on Ricky McNair. It happened during the Kubiak era and has continued into the BOB era. I also think fans that believe Ricky will spend # 25 on a QB aren't familiar with their Texans history.

I also disagree, there are still a couple of FA's out there that could really help the Texans. I would take that 6-10 mil you were talking about and invest in Hankins /Brown. This would free up the draft to rebuild the OL. There's nothing left out there in FA on the OL. Use the remaining FA period to help the defense and draft offense heavily.
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So when they gave up 2 2nd rd picks for a qb with 3 starts and gave him a huge deal at the time, that wasnt an investment in the qb? When OB took over, he didnt even see if he could rehab schaub, case, yates, or any other qb. Not only that, if he wanted Jimmy G, he could have drafted him at the top of the 2nd . Instead, he said there wasn't a difference between savage and the other qbs which has been proven false.
 
leebigeztx said:
So when they gave up 2 2nd rd picks for a qb with 3 starts and gave him a huge deal at the time, that wasnt an investment in the qb? When OB took over, he didnt even see if he could rehab schaub, case, yates, or any other qb. Not only that, if he wanted Jimmy G, he could have drafted him at the top of the 2nd . Instead, he said there wasn't a difference between savage and the other qbs which has been proven false.
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Schaub was an investment, the fact that he hasn't invested more than a 4th rd pick in a decade says plenty. He did invest in the ill fated Os deal. As far as Jimmy G goes you're right BOB could've picked Jimmy G, if he was the one doing the picking. Instead we got XSF. After a decade can you honestly say Ricky has properly invested in the QB position?
 
Texansballer74 said:
That was all BOB idea since he worked with Mallett. Mallett was also in this system for 4 years behind the greatest quarterback to play this game. So Smith and McNair bought into the hype and grabbed the player Bill O'Brien wanted.




What. Now you're blaming Rick because Belichick was playing hard ball.

And what does that have to do with what I said. The facts of the matter is Bill O'Brien hand picked Mallett.
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If Ricky had done what BOB wanted Mallett would've been in camp. But once again just like with Jimmy G. Ricky wasn't willing to pay the price to get the QB his HC wanted when he wanted him.

YES, CAK this is all MB speculation, kinda like Glazer speculating.
 
TheKDog said:
Kubiak dumped Carr after 1 year and got Schaub who played at a pro bowl level several years. 4 years into Obriens tenure I'd settle for that.

Where is O'Brien? Vacation?
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Don't know where BOB is. Apparently according to BOB the draft/FA is Ricky's job. Believe him or not but that's what he said not me.

Too answer your question I'm sure BOB's taking in pro days and will make suggestions to Ricky, will Ricky listen? History says no, especially when it comes to the QB position.
 
leebigeztx said:
So when they gave up 2 2nd rd picks for a qb with 3 starts and gave him a huge deal at the time, that wasnt an investment in the qb? When OB took over, he didnt even see if he could rehab schaub, case, yates, or any other qb. Not only that, if he wanted Jimmy G, he could have drafted him at the top of the 2nd . Instead, he said there wasn't a difference between savage and the other qbs which has been proven false.
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He said this before the draft. What else could he have said? Hey Jimmy G is clearly our guy and thus ensure we had absolutely no shot at him unless we took him at 1-1? I think that we failed to get him was a failed overthink by Rick and OB had neither the power or the ammunition at that time to win the discussion. Pure speculation on my part but it is reinforced by RS's tendency to trade up the last two years

edit: also sheds some light on why Nix was never given much of a chance and was cut awlfully quick for the 33rd selection of the draft
 
steelbtexan said:
If true and I'm not saying you're wrong, why did they wait until the end of TC to trade for Mallett. I'm fairly certain that wasn't BOB's idea.
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Wasn't rumor at the time was that Pats were asking for a 2nd or 3rd for Mallet? Rick or BOB knew that price tag was too high, and knew Pats would eventually cave if they simply waited it out.

Also, Mallet was at TC for the whole time in his 2nd year with the Texans... so obviously, lack of training camp wasn't the reason for his lack of production.

If I had to take a guess (which is exactly what we're all doing anyways), BOB wasn't that high on Mallet from the get go. BOB advised Rick to bring Mallet in, only if he can be obtained cheap.
 
dream_team said:
Wasn't rumor at the time was that Pats were asking for a 2nd or 3rd for Mallet? Rick or BOB knew that price tag was too high, and knew Pats would eventually cave if they simply waited it out.

Also, Mallet was at TC for the whole time in his 2nd year with the Texans... so obviously, lack of training camp wasn't the reason for his lack of production.

If I had to take a guess (which is exactly what we're all doing anyways), BOB wasn't that high on Mallet from the get go. BOB advised Rick to bring Mallet in, only if he can be obtained cheap.
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I think OB's thinking was that Mallett should understand what he was trying to accomplish and would make decent depth. Mallett's problem wasn't knowing where to throw the ball, it was how to throw it and how to wake up
 
Everyone seems to want to wash OBrien's hands for him. Seems to me the offense is on him, and the QBs are on him. No way to escape it. Ricky may be crap, too, but that doesn't excuse OB
 
dream_team said:
Wasn't rumor at the time was that Pats were asking for a 2nd or 3rd for Mallet? Rick or BOB knew that price tag was too high, and knew Pats would eventually cave if they simply waited it out.

Also, Mallet was at TC for the whole time in his 2nd year with the Texans... so obviously, lack of training camp wasn't the reason for his lack of production.

If I had to take a guess (which is exactly what we're all doing anyways), BOB wasn't that high on Mallet from the get go. BOB advised Rick to bring Mallet in, only if he can be obtained cheap.
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It was a 3rd

And you're probably right, so Mallett really wasn't BOB's handpicked QB.
 
TripleTap said:
Everyone seems to want to wash OBrien's hands for him. Seems to me the offense is on him, and the QBs are on him. No way to escape it. Ricky may be crap, too, but that doesn't excuse OB
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I'm far from an OB fan and generally cant stand the guy but .... Fitzy and Hoyerable had career years in OB's scheme. Maybe he got the most out of what he had and what he had wasn't good enough. The guy responsible for fielding talent is Tricky Rick .... He's the one who's obviously failed to deliver a competent quarterback.
 
JB said:
Many said that Kubiak would never amount to anything...
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He hardly amounted to squat here in 8 years. Two playoff appearances that was mainly off the backs of Wade's defense, and then he was ran out of town with a 2-14 season. Poor example.
 
Texecutioner said:
He hardly amounted to squat here in 8 years. Two playoff appearances that was mainly off the backs of Wade's defense, and then he was ran out of town with a 2-14 season. Poor example.
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Doesn't change my point. How many rings does he have now? Yeah things didn't work like we wanted them to here, but he has shown that all the failures weren't all on him alone
 
JB said:
He said this before the draft. What else could he have said? Hey Jimmy G is clearly our guy and thus ensure we had absolutely no shot at him unless we took him at 1-1? I think that we failed to get him was a failed overthink by Rick and OB had neither the power or the ammunition at that time to win the discussion. Pure speculation on my part but it is reinforced by RS's tendency to trade up the last two years

edit: also sheds some light on why Nix was never given much of a chance and was cut awlfully quick for the 33rd selection of the draft
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Jimmy could have been dealt last season for a lot cheaper. He was the guy I said all off season was by far the best prospect. The Texans failed miserably by ignoring him, and dug a huge hole with Osweiller. As it stands now, they also wasted a 2nd rounder just to get rid of Osweiller without a plan to even sign a reputable starter, and that may have been what it would have taken to get Jimmy last off season. This front office is hilarious with how bad they are.
 
JB said:
Doesn't change my point. How many rings does he have now? Yeah things didn't work like we wanted them to here, but he has shown that all the failures weren't all on him alone
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Did you watch that season? Their team won specifically with all defense. They'll be remembered as a team in a group with the Ravens and Bucs as one of those all defense winning teams. The Broncos had some of the best offenses of all time 3 years in a row before Kubiak arrived there, and their offense went into the gutter that season. Wade's unit won that for them, and even then Elway and John Fox built that team and they had already been to a SB. Kubiak was ran out of there the very next season as well which to his defense, he shouldn't have been.
 
honestly waiting is THE best thing for texans right now. qb is troubled but we are in good couple of picks away from putting good team together again. hope we can find qb who can do some play making.
 
steelbtexan said:
Schaub was an investment, the fact that he hasn't invested more than a 4th rd pick in a decade says plenty. He did invest in the ill fated Os deal. As far as Jimmy G goes you're right BOB could've picked Jimmy G, if he was the one doing the picking. Instead we got XSF. After a decade can you honestly say Ricky has properly invested in the QB position?
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Here is where I always have a problem with your logic when it comes to the texans, especially smith.
The role of the gm is is scout,draft,and sign players based on the profile in which the head coach wants. If the gm drafts or signs a player against that, the coach probably isn't going to play that player. When both gm and coach are synced, then it works. I said that to say this and I will read what you say.
Lets says Kubes is brought back after the disaster of a season and they have the their full compliment of picks. How many of those guys drafted fit the what Kubiak likes to do? Do you really think XSF or Fido is a Kubiak body type/skill guy? Based on his history, everyone would say no. The 1st words of BO was were going to get bigger. So the texans got bigger and slower. Then after the footspeed became an issue, he decided to get faster or quicker shall we say. The common denominator is Smith. Now, the argument can be made that they need better scouting, which BO did change, but his fingerprints are all over this team. He didnt even evaluate schaub to see if he could be fixed. He basically said there was no seperation between the top qbs and Savage which was his call no doubt. Kubiak at least evaluated Carr for a year, then made a move for Schaub. BO got rid off all the qbs and wanted Fitz. Then he wanted Hoyer and Mallett because of the system. Is there anything I typed that you disagree with?
 
Texecutioner said:
Did you watch that season? Their team won specifically with all defense. They'll be remembered as a team in a group with the Ravens and Bucs as one of those all defense winning teams. The Broncos had some of the best offenses of all time 3 years in a row before Kubiak arrived there, and their offense went into the gutter that season. Wade's unit won that for them, and even then Elway and John Fox built that team and they had already been to a SB. Kubiak was ran out of there the very next season as well which to his defense, he shouldn't have been.
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Who was the HC? And he was run out of there? You are really looking thru **** stained glasses now. I understand you don't like him but you don't need to make crap up
 
Texecutioner said:
Did you watch that season? Their team won specifically with all defense. They'll be remembered as a team in a group with the Ravens and Bucs as one of those all defense winning teams. The Broncos had some of the best offenses of all time 3 years in a row before Kubiak arrived there, and their offense went into the gutter that season. Wade's unit won that for them, and even then Elway and John Fox built that team and they had already been to a SB. Kubiak was ran out of there the very next season as well which to his defense, he shouldn't have been.
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Look at Mannings last 6 games of 2014 and tell me how great the offense was. It carried over from a terrible playoffs and a disastrous 2015 season.
 
JB said:
He said this before the draft. What else could he have said? Hey Jimmy G is clearly our guy and thus ensure we had absolutely no shot at him unless we took him at 1-1? I think that we failed to get him was a failed overthink by Rick and OB had neither the power or the ammunition at that time to win the discussion. Pure speculation on my part but it is reinforced by RS's tendency to trade up the last two years

edit: also sheds some light on why Nix was never given much of a chance and was cut awlfully quick for the 33rd selection of the draft
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Nix has been cut how many times now?
 
JB said:
Not my point. How many players drafted that high are cut that fast? If it had been OB's pick he wouldn't have been cut so soon
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It happens a lot more now. Look at new england and Pittsburgh. The steelers cut a 2nd rd pick after a season and the patriots cut a 1st rd pick after 2 season.
 
Texecutioner said:
He hardly amounted to squat here in 8 years. Two playoff appearances that was mainly off the backs of Wade's defense, and then he was ran out of town with a 2-14 season. Poor example.
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Maybe you should get off Wade's nutsack for a few minutes and google the Texans offensive stats in 2012.

I mean a 4,000 yard passer, 1,400 yard rusher and 1,600 yard receiver in the 7th ranked scoring offense at 26 points a game totally had to rely on a defense that gave up 40+ points three times that season and gave up more yards and points per game than the 2016 defense.
 
sandman said:
Maybe you should get off Wade's nutsack for a few minutes and google the Texans offensive stats in 2012.

I mean a 4,000 yard passer, 1,400 yard rusher and 1,600 yard receiver in the 7th ranked scoring offense at 26 points a game totally had to rely on a defense that gave up 40+ points three times that season and gave up more yards and points per game than the 2016 defense.
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Great, bring up a few cherry picked offensive stats and hang onto that glory all you want. HC's aren't hired to put up a few stats. They're hired to become consistent winners. It took Gary 6 years to finally hit a stride, and it came down like a ton of bricks pretty quickly.
 
JB said:
Who was the HC? And he was run out of there? You are really looking thru **** stained glasses now. I understand you don't like him but you don't need to make crap up
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You can ignore the reports and the rumors all you want, and ignore the history of Elway as well. It doesn't matter to me, but many around Kubiak predicted that he wasn't done as a HC, and that he'll be back at some point as well. I bet they're right.
 
leebigeztx said:
Look at Mannings last 6 games of 2014 and tell me how great the offense was. It carried over from a terrible playoffs and a disastrous 2015 season.
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Manning's decline you're describing is somewhat valid. I'll give you that, but the fact remains that their offense had been top 3 for 3 straight years and Manning had just thrown like 38 TD's the year prior, and the next two years that Kubiak arrived, their offense went to crap. They won that SB as a defensive team, and then in the 2nd year the running game fell apart as well. Team members were squabbling in the locker rooms and Kubes looked to have lost control.
 
Texecutioner said:
Great, bring up a few cherry picked offensive stats and hang onto that glory all you want. HC's aren't hired to put up a few stats. They're hired to become consistent winners. It took Gary 6 years to finally hit a stride, and it came down like a ton of bricks pretty quickly.
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Did Kubiak kick your dog or f*ck your wife? Did he pick on you in high school? I'm trying to understand this hard-on you have for discrediting his entire existence on this planet.

You were not talking about 2013. You said in 2011 and 2012 when the Texans went to the playoffs under Kubiak, it was "mainly on the back of Wade's defense".

If you choose to ignore that the Texans in 2012 were 7th in scoring, Schaub was the 9th highest rated QB, Foster was #5 in rushing yards and AJ was the #2 receiver that year behind Megatron, that's your issue. You're the one who ends up looking like an idiot when you throw out "cherry picking".
 
Why do we like to relive history. I mean every off season it's the same old chitter chatter. Do we even know how hard it is to build a successful team? Do we know the length it would take to build up that type of franchise? Really though, some franchise get it correct, right from the jump. Then there are a lot of teams that took forever. And finally you have those that took 4-10 years.

You have examples of coaches coming into a ready made team. Then you have what we've experienced as Texans fans. Both Kubiak and O'Brien didn't have that type of luxury. They took over some terrible teams.

Since we are reliving Kubiak's Era here, his offense has always looked great. The problem in the beginning was the defense until Wade got here. Once we had a formidable defense, injuries set in offensively and that was that. Ole Matt just couldn't bounce back mentally. And Kubiak refused to go away from him.
 
Texansballer74 said:
Ole Matt just couldn't bounce back mentally. And Kubiak refused to go away from him.
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That was the thing that didn't make sense to me. Surely he saw the same thing we saw.

I was on Kubiak's wagon until he finally sat Matt down, but refused to let Tj throw the ball in that San Francisco game. Up until that point I felt winning was more important to him than anything.

After that, it felt like he was more concerned with protecting Schaub's job.

Then all those games we'd build a lead in the first half but bring out the three yard & a cloud of dust offense in the second half... I'd have much rather seen Keenum throw int after int trying to hit slant routes than taking 20 yard sacks trying to hit a 40 yard crossing pattern.

He wasn't trying to win those games. He was proving a point.

I got nothing against him. I think he's a fine HC who got his shot way too late. I'm glad he won a SB as a HC. But winning needs to be the #1 thing on our HC mind. I can put up with a lot of stupid as long as I feel like he's doing the best he can to win.
 
The only thing I find unusual about this Texans offseason is they haven't even worked anyone out or as far as we know they haven't even talked to any FA. We would have heard from the media if they had met with someone. They have only been rumored to possibly, maybe be interested in Romo.

Does anyone remember this quiet of an offseason?
 
banned1976 said:
The only thing I find unusual about this Texans offseason is they haven't even worked anyone out or as far as we know they haven't even talked to any FA. We would have heard from the media if they had met with someone. They have only been rumored to possibly, maybe be interested in Romo.

Does anyone remember this quiet of an offseason?
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If they really were interested in Romo the best thing to do right now would be to talk publicly with Cutler and other QBs available. maybe even put out there rumors of trade talk for QBs on their last year of contract

since nothing like that happened I'm starting to wonder if we really are interested in Romo
 
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