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Is the Front Office on Vacation???
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TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
People just want the team to succeed. I don't understand your question about Romo.
How long is long enough IYO?
BB didn't sell his soul, he just works hard and demands the same of his coaches and staff. If you want to beat BB you've got to be willing to work as hard as he does and there's little doubt Ricky McNair and staff don't work as hard as BB and staff. BOB knows this and this is one reason he wanted out after last season.
Just look at all of the moves BB and company have made this offseason. When he said no days off at the SB parade it appears he meant what he was saying and this is coming off of a SB winning season.
Tell me do you honestly think Ricky McNair has put in as much work as BB and Co. this offseason? Because it sure doesn't look like he is to me. Until this changes you're right the Texans wont be winning any SB's and if you would like to blame it on being a young franchise then knock your socks off.
On the Brightside Bob McNair is getting older and someday will have to give up control. On the otherside Cal will be taking over his daddy's shoes. Damn this franchise is screwed for the foreseeable future.
Cute
Now tell me hat Ricky has done so far this offseason to make my opinion wrong?
It's the incompetence.
Astros and Rockets haven't won anything in decades either but they put a product on the field or court that at least gives them a real chance.
I want McNair to hire the brightest minds for the front office once this regime is done.
Astros and Rockets haven't won anything in decades either but they put a product on the field or court that at least gives them a real chance.
I want McNair to hire the brightest minds for the front office once this regime is done.
Texansballer74
The Marine
BWHAHAHA that actually means they are just a few pieces away from taking the next step.
Good lord some fans are too freaking negative. Why follow a team you're so down on? I mean yes they aren't the best looking bunch but they aren't the worst either. Would you want to trade places with a Browns fan, or Jaguars fan.
Nope, for the record I don't want Romo.
With that said I want Ricky to draft a QB high to train for a couple of yrs and let him learn under Romo while Savage is here. If Savage is any indication it takes a couple of yrs to learn BOB's system. Mahomes would be my guy.
I doubt Ricky does this and it really doesn't matter because BOB will be gone after this season. Much to the delight of some on this MB. I just hope the McNair's truly clean house this time and allow the new HC to bring in his GM/scouts. It should be troubling that some of the scouts that Casserly hired still work for the Texans and fans wonder why the team has the Nix/Montgomery/Trevardo Williams type drafts.
Too be honest I kinda like what the Browns/Jags are doing now that they have new FO's in place.
Texansballer74
The Marine
And yet those two franchises aren't going anywhere. This is not the first time they changed office personnel. Both teams have been at the bottom and drafting high draft picks. And still they put out a product that's not pleasing whatsoever. At least our Texans have put together a formidable squad that makes the playoffs, given them a shot at the bigger prize at the end of the season. And brother this is with not so high draft picks.
Last year's draft and free agency the Texans showed they had a solid plan. I truly believe they will continue to build on that plan. Unfortunately Brock didnt fit that plan as expected. But once they fill in that blank, watch out NFL.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
He hasn't done anything to make it correct.
This is typical for you. Can't just disagree with what's happening, have to ascribe evil intent to someone.
For all you know OB is wearing Romo pajamas to bed
Speedy
Former Yeller Dweller
You do realize that half the league, 16 teams, haven't been to a Super Bowl in as long as or longer than the 15 years the Texans have been in it, right? Teams that include Dallas, Washington, and Kansas City.
And teams like New Orleans, Baltimore and GREEN BAY, have been just once.
It isn't about being status quo. It's more of it being a very, very hard thing to do.
If you're expecting this franchise to be the Patriots then you probably should just quit Texans football, or Packers, Ravens, Chiefs, Raiders for that matter.
The Packers have been legit SB contenders year after year for over 2 decades, yet they've been to ONE Super Bowl in the last 19 seasons. Are they "status quo"?
The draft is over a month away, free agency is still going on, cuts will be made league wide this summer, a ton of things are going to happen to shape this roster for the coming season. I'm certainly no Rick Smith defender, but the world is not going to end if he gets a couple of hours sleep each night or goes to a fucking basketball game one time.
Texansballer74
The Marine
They swung for the fences last year and they might draft a quarterback in the 1st round. Shoots they might even trade down to snap that QB they want. And the chatter around Kirby is they want Romo but are not willing to give up draft picks for him. Old Jerry pulled a fast one by not doing what he said he was going to do. And that's cut the man. But since he knows a few teams are in dire need for a QB, now he wants draft picks for him.
The question is if Poe signed for 8 mil, could Ricky afford to sign Romo and Poe. He could but for some reason has chosen to stay out of the FA game altogether.
It's my belief that Ricky is trying to sabotage BOB in an effort to get him fired. I know you disagree with this but it's a logical conclusion, especially after all of the rumors at the end of last yr.
If I was Ricky and wanted BOB gone I would do exactly what Ricky has done this offseason
1. Give the fans hope by bringing in Romo and then watching him get hurt which will lead to a bad record. (Unless Savage can save BOB's job) Then Bob/Cal Ricky McNair can blame the record on bad luck and say they want to go in a different direction at the HC position and this is only if BOB hasn't had enough and tells Ricky to go screw himself. Which almost happened last yr.
2. Do nothing to improve your team while everybody around you is improving.
Don't mistake this post as a Ricky McNair hate post. I truly think Ricky is the godfather.
Texansballer74
The Marine
BWHAHAHA I doubt that very seriously. Come on, stop with the unwarranted speculations.
Man that is too freaking funny. Now Rick is trying to sabotage Bill O'Brien's Texans career. Man where do yall come with these things. Hahahaha
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Dude, you're wasting your time getting into a discussion with SteelB. Rick & the McNairs can do no right in his mind. Every move they do, even the drafting of JJ, or building one of the best defenses in the league, he'll find a way of giving them zero credit. Even if we make it to the SB, barely lose in OT... he'll come back on here right after the game and beat his chest claiming, "Told you guys! We'll never win the big game with this FO."
But the Packers are legitimate contenders every yr. McCarthy is very overrated.
Let me say this about the BB game thingy, while Ricky was at the game BB was signing Gilmore and working on trading for Cooks. He's still working on trading Butler as we speak. Unless you're willing to work like the Hoodie you're not going to beat the Hoodie.
Ask yourself why BOB wanted out at the end of last season.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Steel you are on it big time. Stay out the FA game when it's nowhere close to being over. Wow those are some strong speculations on your part. And you say you don't hate the man but says he's sabotaging Bill O'Brien's Texans career. That my Texans compadre is 100% hate.
Number19
Hall of Fame
OB has two years left on his contract, so it won't be his decision to leave. So you are suggesting he will be fired after the 2017 season. Even if we have a winning season and make the post season? If we backslide and/or don't see improvement - maybe. But not if we continue to win.
Posters to this board are disappointed in our inaction during free agency. But I see us as having kept the core of a fundamentally sound team. We will address our Oline during the draft. We may or may not sign Romo, but it does appear we will actively seek to do so. If we are outbid for his services, I still see us being improved at the QB position with Savage and Weeden.
As little as this may seem to the disappointed fandom on this board, this should be sufficient to see improvement in our offense and, at worst, holding even defensively. We'll have a better team in 2017 and I just don't see OB being fired under these circumstances.
Bull sh!t
Tell me what they've done this offseason that warrants any amount of credit.
It's one thing to disagree with me and another to put words in my mouth and thoughts in others heads.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Making up your own facts again.
I like the things the Browns have done in the last 2 yrs since the new regime took over. They are the Luhnow/Morey style of mgmt. which I think is the future of the NFL. I actually expect the Browns to win 6-7 games this yr.
Up thread I pointed out the Pats/Seahawks/Broncos plans in esponse to another posters question.
For the life of me please tell me what Ricky's plan is, I've been watching for a decade and cant figure out what his plan is. Please enlighten me.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Because he didn't like getting his butt chewed out. He did a horrible job at coaching after week two.
I have a question for you.
Why did BOB change up the game plan after week two?
There's a difference between evil and incompetence. I happen to believe the godfather is a little bit of both. I used to believe he was just incompetent, but after seeing how the Kubiak deal went down I believe he's both.
Texansballer74
The Marine
So the plan wasn't to build up a faster team on offense and continue to add quality depth to our already top 3 defense. Now #1 defense.
Ok Steel he doesn't have a plan or could it be the animosity blinding you for seeing the obvious plan.
Ok Steel he doesn't have a plan or could it be the animosity blinding you for seeing the obvious plan.
When you're the GM and your swing for the fences is Os you should be fired.
Godsey was fired for that decision. Glad they are holding people accountable.
I see a fall off and BOB getting fired.
What have they done to improve anything even if they sign Romo? Thinking brittle boned Romo will stay healthy is a pipe dream. Sold by the carnival barker down on Kirby.
Did BB not add those players during that time in FA? Gilmore specifically.
BB isn't thru he's working on a deal to get back his draft picks in a Butler deal. If the Browns are willing to give up enough for jimmy G you will see another deal.
Tell me what's Ricky McNair doing?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Most likely nobody is getting fired over Oz because everyone agreed. But that doesn't fit your agenda.
You have no idea whether anything transpired during the game.
Gee, you're a regular Carnac the Magnificent - if they give up enough. Well no sh!t.
This bruises your ego but we only know 5% of what happens in NFL front offices. You don't know anything about how much time BB has spent on any of these transactions and you don't know how much time Smith puts in either.
Like I said, you're just making up facts to suit your anti-Smith agenda. Really, It’s OK to leave it at 'I don't like them being so inactive," "I wish they had gotten Poe," etc. and leave it at that instead if making sh!t up.
Texansballer74
The Marine
We'll John McCain said it was a collective agreement between the Owner, GM and Coach. By your chain of thought McNair needs to step down and both Rick and Bill should be fired.
Gotcha
Because BB devised a gameplan that exposed Os for being the fraud that he was. It would've been stupid not to change the gameplan.
What you should really be asking is BOB put Savage in during the Jags game and made him the starter. BOB said at the time Savage gave the team the best chance to win. The Savage gets a concussion (Questionable) loses his job and never sees the field again. What changed to make BOB think Savage didn't give the team it's best chance to win? Particularly when you could see Os stinking up the joint in Foxborough?
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
BS If that is for Oz. If Godsey is scapegoat for anything it is OB's failure to build an effective offense. He's been on a downward slope his whole time here.
Gee, you're a regular Carnac the Magnificent - if they give up enough. Well no sh!t.
This bruises your ego but we only know 5% of what happens in NFL front offices. You don't know anything about how much time BB has spent on any of these transactions and you don't know how much time Smith puts in either.
Like I said, you're just making up facts to suit your anti-Smith agenda. Really, It’s OK to leave it at 'I don't like them being so inactive," "I wish they had gotten Poe," etc. and leave it at that instead if making sh!t up.[/QUOTE]
I do know BB said no days off and it sure appears like he meant it.
What ego, and I really think Jimmy G stays with the pats this season.
John McCain?
We're talking about this over in the NSZ. You should come and join in the fun.
TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
If we don't get some quality QB play, or atleast improving (over the season) QB play from a young player, I think OB is certainly gone. I think SteelB is pretty on point in his expectation that we will see Romo and Savage next year, without a high pick at QB. So, I think OB's job rests on the health of Romo and Savage and the hope that either Romo hasn't lost it or Savage takes a big step forward.
If they don't draft a QB high, I could actually kind of get down on SB's opinion that Rick Smith and company don't have the highest confidence in OB. Not that they are sabotaging him, but that they don't have a great deal of confidence in his ability to coach up a young QB that he helps hand pick.
Are you suggesting that they've done something to keep the team intact or that they don't need to do much?
They've only re-signed one player outside of their punter and kicker and have let all the other quality players leave. They haven't needed to make any tough cuts because they haven't spent close to the $24M they started with. They haven't done anything to keep the team intact, that is accomplished almost by default.
My issue with their approach is:
1. They traded a draft asset for cap space that it doesn't appear they need. Don't need to elaborate, I think I've detailed my thoughts on this.
2. I really feel that it's important to go into a draft with as little starters needed as possible. If we have areas on the team that have below average to poor players starting, I'd like to see the team make an attempt to rectify those. We still have Clark and Bergstrom on the team, where they can save $5.7M in cap. People talk about how expensive some of these linemen were, but we're spending almost $6M for what we know without any doubt is poor return in that position group. Why would spending $8-10M on a player near the top of their position be a problem? You're either spending ~$6M on nothing or spending ~$10M on a good player. That seems like a no-brainer to me, even if you have to pay a bit of a premium.
I'm sure they'll sign some guys later on in the FA period, but I'm not expecting those players to be starters. Most of the starters for the position groups that we are weakest are gone now. I'm not sure it's wise to create a plan in which you are expecting to start multiple rookies, especially when you also need to invest in the QB position with a high pick.
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Jesus Christ couldn't build an effective offense with Os playing QB.
Nothing changed with BOB, that's the problem.
He's been messing up the QB position since he got here. Why did he ever start Mallet? And then taking him out for getting the wind knocked out of him?
I'm no fan of Ricky McNair, but this is a BOB pattern.
I agree with this post except
1. The only young QB BOB has had a chance to develop is Savage. I'm not sure he handpicked Savage even though he worked Savage out. Rumor is he wanted Jimmy G.
I believe the lack of investment in the QB position Falls strictly on Ricky McNair. It happened during the Kubiak era and has continued into the BOB era. I also think fans that believe Ricky will spend # 25 on a QB aren't familiar with their Texans history.
I also disagree, there are still a couple of FA's out there that could really help the Texans. I would take that 6-10 mil you were talking about and invest in Hankins /Brown. This would free up the draft to rebuild the OL. There's nothing left out there in FA on the OL. Use the remaining FA period to help the defense and draft offense heavily.
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Dude wtf, there was nothing about Brock that would suggest he would crash as bad as he did. He had a solid college career followed by being hand picked by a HoF QB turned GM, he sat behind another HoF QB for 4 years, he lead his team to some big wins in the playoffs including one over the Pats and even when he was benched you could make a damn fine arguement that he wasn't to blame for the offense sucking.
People love to comment about Osweilers contract while forgetting that Elway and the Broncos almost matched it and may have matched it if Brock hadn't wanted to play in a different type of offense. Don't believe the Denver BS coming after Elway lost the bidding war, Elway wanted Brock as his starter.
You keep talking like BoB hated Osweiler and was doing everything he could to show he was a fraud and get rid of him. Well frankly unless you are actually BoB or something you don't know what the hell he was thinking, you're just guessing to fit you're point of view.
In every interview I saw he was mostly praising Brock or saying that they weren't giving Osweiler what he needed to succeed. Now yes that was most likely just toeing the line but given the kind of money involved I find it very hard to believe that he in no way wanted Brock and that they flat out came to him in the off season and said "we're signing Osweiler no matter what you say".
As the season went on maybe he said "This guy ain't who we thought he was" and they replied "Bll there's to much money wrapped up in this now, not just on the field but in merchandise (despite what people wear in public #17 was the fastest selling jersey in the off season), endorsements and everything else. We've got to play him at least most of the season. Just do what you can and we'll try and figure something out next year."
If RS really wanted rid of BoB he had an easy way of doing it "Bill, Brock's contract is to big for him not to be the starter this year. You need to play him and maybe we'll see if we can draft a rookie a few round in" Instead RS put his ass on the line by giving up a second next year because BoB couldn't work with Osweiler. They could choose between O'Brian and Osweiler and they chose O'Brian, that doesn't sound like a team trying to get rid of its HC.
And on that note if RS is as far up McNairs ass as you claim why would he need this long, complex evil plan. Just go to McNair and say "We didn't make the SB because of Bill, I need a new HC" and McNair would reply " Sure thing Ricky whatever you want, you know you're like the son I wish I had had. Someday Simba, I mean Ricky, all this will be yours."
Here's Johnny!
Noob
So when Cleveland cuts him, he gets to sit on his ass next season and collect his millions?
Spring Vacation is winding down, probably flying back to H town today so expect flurry of activity next week
LOL
Looks like a plan to me.
Couldn't make it through the book you wrote.
Bottom line and with most NFL orgs when decisions are made and they don't work out the GM is fired. See: Kelly. Eagles, Dolphins: Ireland, Rams: Fisher Browns : Farmer. You miss on the QB of your choice and the GM gets fired or the person responsible for the decision is fired.
That's just off of the top of my head.
With the Texans Godsey gets fired. LOL
maverick512000
Hall of Fame
Well if you can't be bothered to read more than a paragraph or two then I no longer see why I should bother to consider any points you might be trying to make.
Of course it's not all that complex blah blah blah Rick Smith is evil blah blah blah Texans are the worst team in the NFL blah blah blah after 15 seasons we should be multiple time SB champs blah blah blah I can run this better than anybody else.
You remind of a line from Heileins Glory Road
"He knows little, understands nothing and thinks the universe would be better if he designed it"
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Yup. Even more, steelb would have you believe RS and McNair were forcing Oz on OB and otherwise conflicting with him such that OB wanted to leave. Well then who talked him out of leaving?