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2017 Texans Free Agents/Salary Cap Situation: Where do we stand?

thunderkyss said:
They probably have to reformulate their plan since Jerrah pulled the rug from under them.
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Yup the boy's are holding us hostage for Romo while other talent gets scupped up. I suppose it's revenge for Henson in a way.
 
As it stands now we have immediate openings for starters at QB, RT, SS, and OLB. Also need quality depth at CB/TE depending on if Griffin comes back.

OLB can be solved in-house between Scarlett and bumping Clowney back to OLB. Like they did when Simon was out anyway last season. Would be nice to add another quality player here.

QB we can roll with Savage if we don't sign a vet. But we will be forced to take a QB early (round 1 or 2) in the draft to increase our chances of finding a legitimate option for the first time since pre foot injury Schaub.

RT is imo the biggest hole on the roster currently. Clark is not an NFL caliber starter and should be competing for a roster spot ideally. Not a starting spot. Most mock drafts have us taking an OT round 1 for a reason. But the draft is not deep with guys that can step in day 1 and be solid starters. We need to address this position early but if there's a run on tackles before #25 is on the clock we may be screwed and have to hope we strike gold on a prospect. I am not seeing anymore FA OTs worth overspending for at this point.

SS may be solved in-house like OLB. We have had the luxury of having lots of young talent developing behind solid starters on defense since RAC arrived. We saw the jump Bouye made this season when pressed into action due to injuries. I do not see why Corey Moore cannot make improvements with another offseason to improve going into his 3rd year in the system. I don't see him making a Bouye like jump but I think he can give us Quentin Demps production if needed. At any rate this is the deepest draft for DBs in 20 years per Lance Zierlein. If there was ever a year for us to need to add depth in the secondary this is the one. Lets add some bodies to the secondary mix on day 3 of the draft.
 
Vikings signed LT Riley Reiff to a 5-year deal worth $58.75M. $26.3M guaranteed.

Texans have a need at OT but with the crazy money being given out (to Riley Reiff and Russell Okung in particular) I am perfectly content addressing the position in the draft.



Let the other teams in the league get into cap hell paying superstar money to non-superstar players!
 
Id include guard as well. Sorry, i just dont have faith in x or allen being more then jags at best. I know martin is comming back and presumably he and mancz should be able to lock down the center. Can one of them cover guard? I dunno.
 
Mancz and Martin have both played guard in the past. I expect one of them to compete for a starting spot at OG while the other takes center. No need to address the position. We've got bigger stuff to worry about imo.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Mancz and Martin have both played guard in the past. I expect one of them to compete for a starting spot at OG while the other takes center. No need to address the position. We've got bigger stuff to worry about imo.
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The offensive line as a whole should be a priority. Especially if we plan to bring in romo. I'm not suggesting guard should be a first round pick but it should be addressed.

I dont believe a tandem of x,allen, or manz can be superior. I want another option included. (It would also allow us to get out of allen's contract if he continues to suck.)
 
Patriots trade a 1st and 3rd for Brandin Cooks and a 4th.

So far this week they have acquired Cooks, Dwayne Allen, and Kony Ealy by trade and all they gave up was a 1st. They moved back from 2nd to 3rd, moved back from 3rd to 4th, and moved back from 4th to 6th but still kept picks in a deep draft. Also signed top FA CB Stephon Gilmore.

Just go ahead and hand them the trophy again.
 
With the loss of Demps, Bouye, and now Simon the Texans should get some Compensatory picks next year, especially if they don't sign any FA's. Anyway, it might lessen the "sting" of losing that 2nd rounder next year that was part of the Osweiler trade!
 
Insideop said:
With the loss of Demps, Bouye, and now Simon the Texans should get some Compensatory picks next year, especially if they don't sign any FA's. Anyway, it might lessen the "sting" of losing that 2nd rounder next year that was part of the Osweiler trade!
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Correct. It still depends on who we sign but looks like we'll be getting compensatory picks this year for a change.

Provided JJ an K Jo come back healthy this season I predict our defense to be even better than last season even with the loss of these players in FA.
 
Hottoddie said:
We had 14 free agents. We resigned 2 & lost 4. That leaves us with 8 more available with 1 considering retirement.

Houston Texans

Vince Wilfork, DT
Akeem Dent, ILB
Shane Lechler, P
A.J. Bouye, CB
John Simon, OLB
Quintin Demps, SS
Antonio Smith, DE
Nick Novak, K
Jonathan Grimes, RB
Devon Still, DT
Don Jones, FS
Oday Aboushi, G
David Quessenberry, LT
Ryan Griffin, TE
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And one trying to come back from cancer. That would be a Cinderella story, but far from likely and the Texans could really use the help on the OL.
 
TheRealJoker said:
Signing Griffin fills one need. Now only need to add a late round/udfa for competition. I like the Fido/Griffin combo at TE.
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I'm seeing a Patriots/Steelers view of FA. Yes, NE has been active this year in FA, but historically, they've been quite quiet in FA under Belichick. I love the way the Steelers and Patriots handle their respective business and don't mind the Texans copying it.
 
DocBar said:
I'm seeing a Patriots/Steelers view of FA. Yes, NE has been active this year in FA, but historically, they've been quite quiet in FA under Belichick. I love the way the Steelers and Patriots handle their respective business and don't mind the Texans copying it.
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One reason why New England is more active on the first weekend, IMO, is the unique free agency climate this year. Because the cap has grown so much the past 2 years, combined with the rules rolling unused cap space into the following year's cap, there is a ton of cap space relative to the depth and talent in the free agent market. Simply put, unlike many previous years, teams aren't going to be cap-strapped heading into the second week of free agency. Therefore, teams won't be able to find value simply because organizations are unable to bid on players they would otherwise have interest in.

I am somewhat concerned that we may miss the window to sure up our offensive line, in particular... I am holding out hope for Lang or getting lucky with the health of Clady or Vollmer.
 
Not really liking keeping griffin, so many good TEs in this class who can be impact players, Griffin clearly isn't too much better than replacement player, hoping this doesn't keep them from drafting a TE who can become something.


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dalemurphy said:
One reason why New England is more active on the first weekend, IMO, is the unique free agency climate this year. Because the cap has grown so much the past 2 years, combined with the rules rolling unused cap space into the following year's cap, there is a ton of cap space relative to the depth and talent in the free agent market. Simply put, unlike many previous years, teams aren't going to be cap-strapped heading into the second week of free agency. Therefore, teams won't be able to find value simply because organizations are unable to bid on players they would otherwise have interest in.

I am somewhat concerned that we may miss the window to sure up our offensive line, in particular... I am holding out hope for Lang or getting lucky with the health of Clady or Vollmer.
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I agree. Belichick is, again, ahead of the curve. Greatest coach/gm ever.
 
jradMIT said:
Not really liking keeping griffin, so many good TEs in this class who can be impact players, Griffin clearly isn't too much better than replacement player, hoping this doesn't keep them from drafting a TE who can become something.


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They know what they have in Griffin. He's established in the system. Signing him does not preclude them adding in the draft, but with Anderson (if they feel he has a future) it is not likely. Perhaps they have a plan in place.

Also, a rookie stepping in and learning the system well enough to have the same comfort level is unlikely
 
JB said:
They know what they have in Griffin. He's established in the system. Signing him does not preclude them adding in the draft, but with Anderson (if they feel he has a future) it is not likely. Perhaps they have a plan in place.

Also, a rookie stepping in and learning the system well enough to have the same comfort level is unlikely
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It's not about next year only, it's about the team going forward beyond just 2017. Impact players are hard to find and they usually cost a high draft pick. This year in a loaded TE class you can find guys much later, it's prudent to take the opportunities when their given.


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jradMIT said:
It's not about next year only, it's about the team going forward beyond just 2017. Impact players are hard to find and they usually cost a high draft pick. This year in a loaded TE class you can find guys much later, it's prudent to take the opportunities when their given.


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Perhaps so. They must have a different priority assigned
 
JB said:
Perhaps so. They must have a different priority assigned
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Mismatches at the TE position can take an offense to the next level, when Hernandez, Gronk, Kelce, J Graham, Gates etc were playing to their level they were nearly impossible to cover in the red zone. A part of the field the Texans struggled mightily last year. Those guys were seam busters who provided explosive plays something also missing from this offense. Griffin is none of those things, why settle for this when two huge aspects of the offense can be improved with a third round pick? I hope this doesn't keep them from still making a move.


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jradMIT said:
Mismatches at the TE position can take an offense to the next level, when Hernandez, Gronk, Kelce, J Graham, Gates etc were playing to their level they were nearly impossible to cover in the red zone. A part of the field the Texans struggled mightily last year. Those guys were seam busters who provided explosive plays something also missing from this offense. Griffin is none of those things, why settle for this when two huge aspects of the offense can be improved with a third round pick? I hope this doesn't keep them from still making a move.


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yeah pro bowl TE's make a difference... so does a QB. Struggling mightily is what the entire offense did last year. TE was one of the few brighter spots
 
JB said:
yeah pro bowl TE's make a difference... so does a QB. Struggling mightily is what the entire offense did last year. TE was one of the few brighter spots
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The TE's in this offense remind me of the saying, "In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king", The tight end production in 2015 was so bad it made the 2016 look good, the 2016 offensive production was so bad that it made average TE play a bright spot. Still think there is room for large improvement. Hopefully some of these glaring holes can be filled so there is some flexibility to grab one of the 5 or 6 guys who would be an upgrade down the line.
 
jradMIT said:
The TE's in this offense...
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If the TEs are going to be a big part of this offense, wouldn't you think we'd have more than two on the active roster? More than three on the 53?


Signing Ryan Griffin should have no bearing on the Texans taking a TE in the draft. I wouldn't be surprised if we did & brought in a couple UDFA, if not another lesser known vet. An UDFA (like Stephen Anderson) should not be going into his second OTAs thinking he's a lock to make the team.
 
mussop said:
Man are we going to sign ANY FA's? I can't even find any rumors of guys we are interested in.
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Especially after we made this trade. I really don't understand. Perhaps, they just can't get anyone to sign with them, but are trying. It appears, though, that they haven't had many targets.
 
mussop said:
Man are we going to sign ANY FA's? I can't even find any rumors of guys we are interested in.
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Typical Texans

Holding on to that cash.

Did the same thing last yr while the OL burned. (6 mil) Looks like it will be more this yr.
 
Cap isn't just about players. The cap room they have now gives them a great deal of flexibility. Obviously if they get Romo it will burn most of it. But say they don't, Hopkins, the rookies, etc. can be signed with more money in roster instead of signing bonus. That leaves the cap more open in the future and lessons dead money ramifications.
 
infantrycak said:
Cap isn't just about players. The cap room they have now gives them a great deal of flexibility. Obviously if they get Romo it will burn most of it. But say they don't, Hopkins, the rookies, etc. can be signed with more money in roster instead of signing bonus. That leaves the cap more open in the future and lessons dead money ramifications.
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Sure, they could do that with Hopkins, but at the expense of a 2nd round pick? You really think that's smart?

Plus, at their current rate of signing players, they could have done that without the trade.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Sure, they could do that with Hopkins, but at the expense of a 2nd round pick? You really think that's smart?

Plus, at their current rate of signing players, they could have done that without the trade.
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I think it's pretty clear Romo is a target and is why the move was made. Just saying the space isn't useless if that falls thru. A little patience is in order on Romo. Can't go spend it all while waiting. The Cowboys will blink eventually.
 
How well would Donta Hightower fit with our D? Money even feasible? Just saw his name as still available and thought he could help.
 
infantrycak said:
I think it's pretty clear Romo is a target and is why the move was made. Just saying the space isn't useless if that falls thru. A little patience is in order on Romo. Can't go spend it all while waiting. The Cowboys will blink eventually.
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I'm not sure there will be anybody worthy to spend it on if they continue to wait.

Take a look at the remaining free agents.

Either way, I take your point, just really hope that's not where we end up.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I'm not sure there will be anybody worthy to spend it on if they continue to wait.

Take a look at the remaining free agents.
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I realize the slim odds, but if we walked away with Zach Brown, Jonathan Hankins, and Romo at this point I'd be pretty content headed into the draft.
 
Uncle Rico said:
How well would Donta Hightower fit with our D? Money even feasible? Just saw his name as still available and thought he could help.
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Not really. He similar to McKinney. We need someone who can cover TEs. Give me Zack brown and move cushing outside and we'd better off IMO.
 
infantrycak said:
Cap isn't just about players. The cap room they have now gives them a great deal of flexibility. Obviously if they get Romo it will burn most of it. But say they don't, Hopkins, the rookies, etc. can be signed with more money in roster instead of signing bonus. That leaves the cap more open in the future and lessons dead money ramifications.
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This....plus it's looking like we'll be shoring up our OL in the draft - and we added a valuable 4th round selection.
 
mussop said:
Man are we going to sign ANY FA's? I can't even find any rumors of guys we are interested in.
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Really, look what Ricky has done during FA compared to the rest of the division. It's like Ricky is setting up BOB for failure.
 
Hottoddie said:
It looks like we lost another player. He's not a starter, but he was a pretty good special teams player. That makes 4 players lost & zero signed. I guess we're loading up on comp picks for next year. http://prod.www.49ers.clubs.nfl.com...on-Jones/a11acc8d-4155-4a1a-ab1a-1de2e70ddb3a
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Texans signing their own players ( griffin, novak, lechler ) doesn't change the compensatory picks equation I hope.... and you sure Don Jones will count as a loss ? was he playing in the last game against patriots in the playoffs. I dont remember him on the roster at all, and they calling him a ST ace
 
They should let the market settle some. When teams like the Browns are making it rain, all the players have a bloated view of money.
 
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