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Texans trade Osweiller to Browns
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1) NO, actually you don't just make your mind w/o enough information. See the results. What could go wrong(personality mesh with head coach) , went wrong.
2) Divorcing one QB by giving assets away is fixing a problem at high cost. Waiting for another teams over aged and injured QB to be divorced is not a plan., or better not really one with a high percentage chance of working out well. They are reacting, not operating a thought out plan.
3) Yes, but the cost was and still is pretty high.
1) NO, actually you don't just make your mind w/o enough information. See the results. What could go wrong(personality mesh with head coach) , went wrong.
2) Divorcing one QB by giving assets away is fixing a problem at high cost. Waiting for another teams over aged and injured QB to be divorced is not a plan., or better not really one with a high percentage chance of working out well. They are reacting, not operating a thought out plan.
3) Yes, but the cost was and still is pretty high.
DX-TEX
#TomSavageDontCare
In the situation last year YES that is exactly what you do. You get what info you can obtain and come to the best conclusion you can and then act on it.
The Texans signed Osweiler to a deal with an out after the 2nd year. I know he was bad, but firing the OC pretty much says it wasn't all on Brock. I'd have thought the Texans would at least see out the plan they started when they signed Osweiler.
This "report" makes sense as to why they would cut their losses & change directions.
However, if the "report" is true, I can't imagine Osweiler starting vs Oakland or New England in the playoffs. That just doesn't make sense. If the altercation got that far, Brandon Weeden would have started, Osweiler wouldn't have dressed for either game.
Number19
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Interesting reasoning and logical.
Max
Veteran
So BOB tells on OS to RSmith and McNair that OS isn't playing nice and they both take BOB's side and trade a 2nd round pick so BOB can play w/ someone that cows down to him? I don't buy that. If it is true, RSmith and McNair are bigger dumbasses than anyone is purporting on this MB and BOB is a world class prick that has no business being a coach at any level in the NFL. I understand that BOB has an ego that leads to blow ups like this, but if it extends to cutting guys that don't roll on their backs and wag their tails when he barks at them -- we've got the wrong head coach.
They could have obtained the key piece of information even if it risked losing him by asking/demanding that he wait to talk with the team in a couple of days.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Ware is a fan of Brad Kaaya
Would that have become apparent with one interview? What would O'Brien have asked Brick that would give him pause?
O'Brien: So Brick, you don't plan on throwing a bunch of picks, do ya?
Brick: Hell yeah, I do.
The problem was, and is, that the Texans don't know what they're looking for in a QB. There are no Bill Walshs in the organization. They need to luck into a good QB. Like the Cowboys did in Romo and then Prescott.
If it were just a verbal altercation I'm with you. But the reports/rumor is that the two had to be physically restrained.
Still, it's just a rumor & the rest of my post pretty much said I don't believe it.
But yes, if the HC has to resort to getting physical with a player, then we've got the wrong guy for the job.
It extends beyond QB. Our run game is a hodgepodge of finesse & power. There's really no continuity on offense at all.
TexansSeminole
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This is a strange way to look at that rumor.
Tell on? If Brock, after playing as poorly as he had, proves to be uncoachable and/or entitled, then I expect the head coach to use that information the best he can. That would be to explain it to the other people in the organization that have a say in personnel.
What would you have him do, just sit on his hands?
Very strange post.
The wind blew?? No, osweiler blew!!! Did you not watch the games last year? There was absolutely no reason to think oz was going to turn it around. He's just not a fit here.
Last year the owner said go get a QB. They went after the best FA possible. He didn't workout. You can't blame them for trying.
Instead of wasting another year on a QB that literally proved he wasn't the guy, they moved on and are now looking for a replacement.
I just don't see why people are upset over this.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
Isn't Bill O'Brien supposed to be the coach?
I ******* hate this guy.
Hopefully that story isn't true because if it is (and given everything else we've seen from O'Brien's personality thus far I have no reason to believe it isn't).....good God this guy is the worst.
Exactly
If Oz would have played well and not thrown the interceptions and stupid misfire throws, he could have told Obrien to F off and he'd still be here.
Probably for the entire 4 years too.
Lol, texian talking out his ass as usual.
Texian
Hall of Fame
I'm going to need some more information. First you cherry pick a conversation I was having with paycheck, then you quote a hypothetical question that ChampionTexan asked about Osweiler and Wentz. Asking a hypotetical question does not equate to an endorsement of the question. You can ask me a dozen hypothetical questions and just because I answer them does not mean I endorse your question. What that means is I answered your question.
FTR somewhere around this time last year Jason Spriggs was my choice for the Texans 1st RD pick: February 29, 2016 = http://www.texanstalk.com/threads/texians-post-combine-mock.110228/
That is not to be confused with my Pre Draft FINAL 2016 MOCK: http://www.texanstalk.com/threads/texians-post-combine-mock.110228/
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Max
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Strange that you don't understand the adolescent behavior described which is being further referenced in the 'tell on' phrase. I wouldn't have him sit on his hands, I would have him not get into a blow up with one of his players which he is known to do. And if he does, I would expect him to be a man to recognize his role in the blow up and not cut a player because of it. So when Tom Brady stands up to BOB, Tom's vindicated, but when Brock does, Brock's a cancer that needs to be removed from the team. Please.
Texecutioner
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I have no problem with the move, but its also kind of stupid since they don't know who they'll even get a QB yet. Essentially whoever they get they've already given up a 2nd round pick for him.
Hell, they might have been able to get Phillip Rivers for a 2nd rounder and something else at this point. I'd take him over Romo or these other guys. With that 2nd round pick already gone, there is no way they trade a 1st rounder at this point. They're stuck with either Romo or Cutler or some other guy on our roster like Savage. Romo is pretty much their best bet now.
Texecutioner
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I have no problem with the move, but its also kind of stupid since they don't know who they'll even get a QB yet. Essentially whoever they get they've already given up a 2nd round pick for him.
Hell, they might have been able to get Phillip Rivers for a 2nd rounder and something else at this point. I'd take him over Romo or these other guys. With that 2nd round pick already gone, there is no way they trade a 1st rounder at this point. They're stuck with either Romo or Cutler or some other guy on our roster like Savage. Romo is pretty much their best bet now.
The purpose of the interview is more to find out just that more can he do the job, but does he fit.
Don't the coaches all tell us how informative the 15 minute combine interviews are?
Of course, he could snow the Texans at the interview, but I am sure how handing someone 72 million and not actually talking to him (even behind the scenes some way) is justifiable.
WolverineFan
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I agree they get points for trying instead of sitting on their hands but it was still a complete botch. They should be held accountable for that. The Raiders needed a QB when they drafted JaMarcus Russell #1. They tried, but that doesn't mean they shouldn't have been held accountable for blowing it.
We need a QB. The FO needs to keep trying to find one and they need to keep being held accountable when they consistently fail.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, Tex ...
TexansSeminole
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The argument with Brady was mild, the only reason it got attention was because it involved Tom Brady. I'm not aware on any other incidents with OB that would have him be described as someone who blows up regularly.
Brock was terrible, if he's getting into an argument with OB, especially in the locker room, during a game, and in front of other players, I side with OB everytime. Brock has no right to be complaining about anything. It would not be a surprise to have the coach take issue to an entitled player, who is consistently failing, who is doing anything except listen to coaching. Obviously, it's a rumor, but it sounds like it would have happened in the locker room, mid game, and out in front of everyone. No surprise that a coach takes a stand in such a situation to show his players that the play and behavior of the entitled QB is not to be tolerated. I expect that. That's how you keep from losing the locker room.
Max
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And if you're the qb, the way you win the team is to show some cahones when your hot headed coach comes at you 'mildly' like he came after Brady.
So BOB relays the information to McNair and RSmith about the dust up and says they need to get rid of him because of it.
McNair: So Brock just came at you out of nowhere?
BOB: Yeah, I'm minding my own business and he starts throwing punches saying I'm not calling plays he likes.
McNair: Pencil Neck?
BOB: Yeah.
McNair: But you're a hot head with a history of mixing it up with your qb.
BOB: Yeah, but I had nothing to do with it. People had to restrain him and everything.
RSmith: I know he's such a great qb, but clearly we need to do something about this. How about trading a 2nd to get rid of the problem?
Or maybe, OS sucked. They got rid of him and stories like this come out to give us something to talk about on message boards?
Hottoddie
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This thread is getting old. Too many people patting themselves on the back for what they would've done, too many people blaming Rick Smith for being the most inept GM in the history of the NFL (even though we have one of the best defenses in the NFL. I guess someone else put that together), too many people crying about giving up a 2nd round pick to fix a situation where the BEST available free agent QB from the previous year just didn't work out for us, too many people blaming the head coach & saying he should be fired (just like they said about Kubiak. And, then he goes off & wins a Super Bowl the very next year with another team) & too much whining about the possibility of the Texans once again, going after the best available QB in Romo. Sure he has serious health issues, but if he can be protected & wins us games, who cares? He'll only be here for a short duration & then all the people that know far more than a professionally paid GM & millionaire owner knows, can come back here again & tell us what you would do. Lol
Hottoddie
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I will leave with this thought. If the Texans really want Romo, they should try to force his hand to force Dallas's hand by bringing in other QB's as if they are looking to move on. Denver can't pay Romo what we can & may not want to pay him even a reasonable contract if they are the only team left wanting his services. Bring Cutler in before he signs with NY. It's time to play a little Texas Hold Em. Lol
Texian
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I don't think it was a coincidence that Kraft and Belichick found a new home for O'Brien at PSU just a few weeks after his sideline blowup with Brady.
TexansSeminole
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That's revisionist. OB was the target for multiple jobs. Kraft "finding a new home" for him is pure spin.
Brady's take:
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How is this thread any different than all the other threads on this board?
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TexansSeminole
Hall of Fame
It's not, he just wants Romo here and doesn't like that other people aren't happy to see us give up atleast a 2nd round pick trying to get him.
Max
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I think the conversation was more like:
Rick/McNair: Dude... Godsey has got to go.
O'b: What? He's my BFF, from way back. I knew him before I ever gave you a second thought.
Rick/McNair: But he sucks.
O'b: I got this. Don't you worry about him, I'll get the offense on track
Rick/McNair: Billy, you're the HC, not the OC. We need you steering the team, not the offense.
O'b: Yeah, I get that. The offense is part of the team.
Rick/McNair: Sigh... He's got to go.
O'b: Not going to happen. I'll leave first.
Rick/McNair: What if we ditch Osweiler
O'b: Bring in Romo?
Rick/McNair: We'll do everything we can to make it happen, but we can't make any promises
O'b: Ok... let me break the news to George.
TexansSeminole
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Max
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I thought my post before the Brady video was the ridiculous one.
Hottoddie
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I've only been reading a couple of threads that grabbed my attention & haven't seen as much whining in the other threads. I guess I've just been away too long & forgotten how bad it can get at times.
TripleTap
Dead Wood
This. I'm thinking the coach wants to get into a fist fight with the QB? How dumb can you be? Suggests OB is way out of his depth.
badboy
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yeah? tell me again who is gone and who remains?
Hottoddie
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It's like putting a frog in a pot of cold water, then turning on the heat. It heats up so gradually, that he doesn't realize he's boiling to death until it's too late. In other words, you don't see how much complaining goes on when you're in the middle of it everyday. Stepping away from the board for a while gives one a fresh new look at it. As for Romo, I'm not, nor have I ever been, a big fan of his. But, if he can give us some consistency at the QB position along with our outstanding defense, we just might make a serious run at the Super Bowl. Personally, I'm looking forward to seeing what Savage can do for us with some significant playing time & behind a revamped offensive line. And as far as the 2nd round pick goes, it's a shame that we had to let it go, but it shows me the front office is willing to do whatever it takes to fix a problem that could very well rip the team apart. We will overcome the loss of the pick. 25+ pages of whining about the pick is a bit much in my opinion.
RagingBull
Hall of Shame
John Elway is ROTFLHAO
At some point, it became way cooler on this board to be negative for the sake of negative. Trust me, i have my own complaining moments, this board does not read like a board of team that just won a division and playoff game with a highly rated defense.
People have a 96.9% chance of turning out right when complaining about their teams deficiencies as it pertains to not winning a Lombardi.
Rarely ever gonna find better odds at sounding on point.
TheMatrix31
Hall of Fame
It is possible for both to blow.
Only one team a year does.