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So you have no thoughts that you want to put on the record?
The OL is rich in talent?
We must be watching 2 different teams.
The Cowboys are rich in OL talent.
BOB's offense scored 27 pts and won by double digits. What more do you want? Fact is all of this criticism of BOB will go away with a win in Foxboro.
CloakNNNdagger
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Owner insists Bill O'Brien is Texans' coach of the future
By John McClain
January 7, 2017 Updated: January 7, 2017 10:07pm
About 15 minutes after the Texans' 27-14 AFC wild-card victory over Oakland, owner Bob McNair responded to reports in the national media that he might have fired coach Bill O'Brien if they had lost to the Raiders.
"There's nothing to it," McNair said. "I'm not going to fire him. Forget that. If I were you, I wouldn't repeat it because it's false."
Asked again if the reports had any substance, McNair said, "No. I don't know where they get that. I got a chuckle out of it."
A few minutes later, McNair added that he never intended to fire O'Brien under any circumstances.
Last week, there was speculation around the NFL that O'Brien could be fired if the Texans were defeated by the Raiders. The reports said O'Brien wanted out because of his differences with general manager Rick Smith and that there might be a mutual parting of the ways.
When asked if O'Brien will be coaching the team for a fourth season, McNair said, "Yeah. We're already talking about next year."
O'Brien was asked about the reports he might not return next season.
"I have a five-year contract here," he said. "I have two years left on my contract. I'm looking forward to coaching here, and I'm looking forward to getting ready for this next game."
The Texans likely will be headed back to New England, where they lost 27-0 this season, unless Miami wins at Pittsburgh in Sunday's AFC wild-card game. If the Dolphins upset the Steelers, the Texans will go to Kansas City.
If O'Brien resigned, he would be walking away from about $10 million to $12 million.
Accordance on Osweiler
There also are national media reports that O'Brien didn't want quarterback Brock Osweiler, that he was shoved down the coach's throat by McNair and Smith. Those reports are preposterous.
O'Brien and Smith wanted Osweiler. They knew it would be too costly to try to move up in the draft, so they targeted Osweiler in free agency. McNair signed off on it. Anything else you read or hear is a myth perpetuated by media clueless to how McNair operates.
You would think McNair has been in business long enough for people to have a clue, but obviously, some don't.
As for O'Brien's relationship with Smith, do they have disagreements over personnel? Of course they do, but they manage to work together.
Smith and O'Brien communicate. Their offices are next to each other. They meet. They are seen together on the field before games. After practice, they talk on the field before they head to their offices.
Why would McNair get rid of O'Brien or allow him to leave? McNair has shown since the Texans' inception that he's one of the league's most patient owners.
McNair fired Dom Capers after the 2005 season and Gary Kubiak with three games left in the 2013 season because those were 2-14 teams.
Under O'Brien, the Texans have finished with winning records in three consecutive seasons for the first time in franchise history. They've won back-to-back AFC South titles.
Since McNair hired O'Brien, the Texans are 19-0 when leading at halftime. They've dominated the AFC South, including a 5-1 mark in 2016. They swept Indianapolis for the first time and went a franchise-best 7-1 at home.
Oh, and they fashioned the NFL's No. 1 defense without J.J. Watt healthy for the last 14 games.
Those certainly don't seem like firing offenses, at least not as far as McNair is concerned.
In Osweiler's redemption game at NRG Stadium on Saturday, the Texans tied their season high with 27 points and scored three offensive touchdowns for the first time since Oct. 16, when they defeated Indianapolis in overtime.
Tangible progress
The win over Oakland means the Texans will be among the eight teams remaining out of 32 - not too shabby when you consider their issues at quarterback.
Even if they get obliterated at New England or Kansas City, they improved this season by advancing into the divisional round.
"It's not easy to win, and it doesn't matter what the circumstances are," McNair said. "I guess we'll go to New England. When we went up there earlier, we shot ourselves in the foot with two fumbles. It doesn't matter who you play - you can't win like that.
"We beat Kansas City early in the season. Everybody talks about the playoff game (a 30-0 loss) last season, but they forgot we played them this season and beat them.
"We're capable of beating any of these teams, but we need to play good, clean, smart football. That's what we did today."
When it was pointed out to McNair that a lot of people picked Oakland to beat the Texans despite the fact Oakland rookie quarterback Connor Cook was making his first start, he laughed and said, "Well, I guess it shows you how wrong people can be."
By John McClain
January 7, 2017 Updated: January 7, 2017 10:07pm
About 15 minutes after the Texans' 27-14 AFC wild-card victory over Oakland, owner Bob McNair responded to reports in the national media that he might have fired coach Bill O'Brien if they had lost to the Raiders.
"There's nothing to it," McNair said. "I'm not going to fire him. Forget that. If I were you, I wouldn't repeat it because it's false."
Asked again if the reports had any substance, McNair said, "No. I don't know where they get that. I got a chuckle out of it."
A few minutes later, McNair added that he never intended to fire O'Brien under any circumstances.
Last week, there was speculation around the NFL that O'Brien could be fired if the Texans were defeated by the Raiders. The reports said O'Brien wanted out because of his differences with general manager Rick Smith and that there might be a mutual parting of the ways.
When asked if O'Brien will be coaching the team for a fourth season, McNair said, "Yeah. We're already talking about next year."
O'Brien was asked about the reports he might not return next season.
"I have a five-year contract here," he said. "I have two years left on my contract. I'm looking forward to coaching here, and I'm looking forward to getting ready for this next game."
The Texans likely will be headed back to New England, where they lost 27-0 this season, unless Miami wins at Pittsburgh in Sunday's AFC wild-card game. If the Dolphins upset the Steelers, the Texans will go to Kansas City.
If O'Brien resigned, he would be walking away from about $10 million to $12 million.
Accordance on Osweiler
There also are national media reports that O'Brien didn't want quarterback Brock Osweiler, that he was shoved down the coach's throat by McNair and Smith. Those reports are preposterous.
O'Brien and Smith wanted Osweiler. They knew it would be too costly to try to move up in the draft, so they targeted Osweiler in free agency. McNair signed off on it. Anything else you read or hear is a myth perpetuated by media clueless to how McNair operates.
You would think McNair has been in business long enough for people to have a clue, but obviously, some don't.
As for O'Brien's relationship with Smith, do they have disagreements over personnel? Of course they do, but they manage to work together.
Smith and O'Brien communicate. Their offices are next to each other. They meet. They are seen together on the field before games. After practice, they talk on the field before they head to their offices.
Why would McNair get rid of O'Brien or allow him to leave? McNair has shown since the Texans' inception that he's one of the league's most patient owners.
McNair fired Dom Capers after the 2005 season and Gary Kubiak with three games left in the 2013 season because those were 2-14 teams.
Under O'Brien, the Texans have finished with winning records in three consecutive seasons for the first time in franchise history. They've won back-to-back AFC South titles.
Since McNair hired O'Brien, the Texans are 19-0 when leading at halftime. They've dominated the AFC South, including a 5-1 mark in 2016. They swept Indianapolis for the first time and went a franchise-best 7-1 at home.
Oh, and they fashioned the NFL's No. 1 defense without J.J. Watt healthy for the last 14 games.
Those certainly don't seem like firing offenses, at least not as far as McNair is concerned.
In Osweiler's redemption game at NRG Stadium on Saturday, the Texans tied their season high with 27 points and scored three offensive touchdowns for the first time since Oct. 16, when they defeated Indianapolis in overtime.
Tangible progress
The win over Oakland means the Texans will be among the eight teams remaining out of 32 - not too shabby when you consider their issues at quarterback.
Even if they get obliterated at New England or Kansas City, they improved this season by advancing into the divisional round.
"It's not easy to win, and it doesn't matter what the circumstances are," McNair said. "I guess we'll go to New England. When we went up there earlier, we shot ourselves in the foot with two fumbles. It doesn't matter who you play - you can't win like that.
"We beat Kansas City early in the season. Everybody talks about the playoff game (a 30-0 loss) last season, but they forgot we played them this season and beat them.
"We're capable of beating any of these teams, but we need to play good, clean, smart football. That's what we did today."
When it was pointed out to McNair that a lot of people picked Oakland to beat the Texans despite the fact Oakland rookie quarterback Connor Cook was making his first start, he laughed and said, "Well, I guess it shows you how wrong people can be."
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
My thoughts parallel this from CnD's article:
The Texans, or any other team for that matter, don't disclose much of their inner workings.
I don't have your uncontrollable urge to ascribe fault and turn that into loathing backed by supposition. That's your gig free and clear. Sorry if not joining your crystal ball hate club isn't man enough 'to put on the record.'
I judge the things I can see, play on the field, hard quotes, without something so simplistic as "2-14."
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Let Bob draft HIS quarterback in the first round and go into camp in a 3 way battle for the job.
Everyone wins.
Everyone wins.
So me thinking Bob McNair told Ricky McNair to get him a QB and Ricky picked Os with very little say according to media reports = hate in your mind. Gotcha, but this is rather simple, I believe a well respected reporter like Glzer/Silver and you don't. Even though it's their job to search down sources and report about things like this. In your mind they're just making things up. Even though their track record doesn't suggest that they do this. Why? Because the local media has trained you to think this way. Guys like Pancakes should be reporting stories like this. But he's to busy being a movie critic and brown nosing the Texans org rather than you know actually working and doing his job.
Mahomes or Josh Allen (If he comes out) would be my picks.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Local media hasn't taught me anything. I believe the Texans run exactly as McNair has described - GM and HC argue their way to a consensus and only in the rare event they can't come to a conclusion does he step in.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Mahomes is compared to Dak, nice talent. Not super high on the kid from Wyoming.
I'd throw in Kizer and Watson in for me. I'd say it's the year the Texans get aggressive and go for it ... go get your guy and have your qb competition, the cream will rise to the top.
Rare? This is where we disagree (Again)
Of course at one time you thought McNair was a hands off owner, which has proven to be false. (There's nothing wrong with being wrong)
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
We have exactly 2 arguably 3 proven examples of McNair interference in 14 years. Yeah I'll call that ordinary owner.
The rest is your crystal ball and on that I'll defer to you Miss Cleo. Hey, I had a question for my grandad I didn't get to ask before he died. Can you help with that?
The thing is Glazer & Silver never said Osweiler was shoved down O'Brian's throat. They said there was friction between Smith & O'b. They said that rift could be because of Osweiler... not that it was.
You took that to mean it was factual. For all we know Rick was probably telling O'b to bench Osweiler earlier, make him earn the starting job, but O'b didn't like the timing for one reason or another.
The rift might have been because O'b wanted to keep Charles James all along & Rick told him James couldn't cover any one over 5'8" & held it over his head all year long... for all we know, O'Brien has wanted Rick's parking spot the last 3 years.
There hasn't been one factual report that this had anything to do with Osweiler, but you took a "may be because of..." & ran with it.
Max
Veteran
The most logical source of any BoB/RSmith friction would seem to be Brock. W/ the perceived interest in BoB by other teams if he were to leave, it seems like McNair has moved into BoB's corner in any power contest w/ RSmith to whatever extent it existed. If nothing else, this perceived flirtation w/ leaving should buy BoB the freedom to bench Brock next year at BoB's whim and/or draft the qb of his liking vs feeling obligated to play Brock.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I'm with cak... we don't know jack sh*t what goes on in the FO. We don't know, media doesn't know. The media is driven by clicks nowadays, so throwing out outrageous claims, and passing off rumor as facts, takes precedence over giving accurate facts.
BTW, this is an alternative situation I could easily pass of as fact. Mcnair/Rick gave BOB his pick of QBs in season 1. BOB chose Fitz. They still gave him 100% control of QBs in season 2, and he chose Hoyer. In season 3, Mcnair/Rick put their foot down and said it's our turn now, and they went with Os.
BTW, this is an alternative situation I could easily pass of as fact. Mcnair/Rick gave BOB his pick of QBs in season 1. BOB chose Fitz. They still gave him 100% control of QBs in season 2, and he chose Hoyer. In season 3, Mcnair/Rick put their foot down and said it's our turn now, and they went with Os.
It appeared that McNair backed O'b benching Brock this time. Winning that game helped. McNair openly admitted as much.
Naming Savage the starter the following game, as early as he did, leads me to believe at least McNair was backing the play. I.e. there's nothing to suggest discord in the organization surrounding Osweiler's benching except the timing of the rumors. & the timing of Savage's concussion.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
So who starts the next game tells you what ?
So, exactly what is the fix? I see posts about firing Smith, promoting Gaines who might not only be a "yes man" for McNair. He could be one for O'Brien. If McNair fires Smith and hires another GM, we are back where a HC is hired before the GM and do we get another Kubiak/Smith power structure?
I think O'Brien having too much control of personnel would be a disaster. In fact, the offensive performance of this team, his QB evaluations, his emotional decisions and his thin resume does not warrant more control of personnel.
O'Brien is the same guy who took a college job and then started complaining about the time he has to spend dealing with boosters and school administrators. He knew the power structure when he signed the contract with the Texans. It's rare a guy with his limited NFL experience would be given control of personnel on his first NFL HC contract.
He needs to win some playoff games, build on his thin resume and then either sign a new deal with the Texans or let his contract expire and bless another city with his offensive brilliance.
I think O'Brien having too much control of personnel would be a disaster. In fact, the offensive performance of this team, his QB evaluations, his emotional decisions and his thin resume does not warrant more control of personnel.
O'Brien is the same guy who took a college job and then started complaining about the time he has to spend dealing with boosters and school administrators. He knew the power structure when he signed the contract with the Texans. It's rare a guy with his limited NFL experience would be given control of personnel on his first NFL HC contract.
He needs to win some playoff games, build on his thin resume and then either sign a new deal with the Texans or let his contract expire and bless another city with his offensive brilliance.
So you think it was a coincidence that this report came out after BOB benched Os?
I don't.
Max
Veteran
Everything came out after Os was benched. We're all guessing but it seems like Os being the source of the friction is as good a guess as any. Even if you're correct that there's nothing to Os being the source of friction, it seems like the upshot of the mess is BoB gained leverage. Leverage concerning his next job or his role w/in the organization remains to be seen.
So you don't believe true professionals like Glazer/Silver are doing their jobs? They're basically just throwing crap against the wall. I don't believe that.
I do believe your alternative situation. They screwed it up. Not what winning orgs do.
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Os makes Fitz and Hoyer look like Johhny U and Joe Montana . I do think Bill's offense may be over complicated and you need an extremely smart and accurate guy to pull it off but that's another story .
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
True professionals lol, lol, lol. I forgot the gossip monger major in college.
dream_team
Hall of Fame
Well just in general, I'm rather hesitant to trust the media (especially on social media). We live in a world where people throw out rumors, perceptions, opinions, embellishments just to generate clicks, likes, and re-tweets. No one is holding these guys accountable. Jason La Canfora is a guy that repeatedly writes stuff that do not end up being truthful, but yet, he still has a job. You mentioned you don't believe what McClain writes and says. He's a professional as well... so why trust some but not others?
How many examples do YOU need?
What we do know is the Texans org, lead by Bob McNair is very dysfunctional, or none of these rumors would've came out especially before a playoff game. If you believe what LZ reported Smith was the source of the leak. He heard this from execs around the NFL. You know he has good contacts around the league. With so many reporters putting this story out, you have to believe where there's smoke there has to be atleast a little fire.
Because McClain doesn't really work at his job and is usually wrong. Silver/Glazer usually get it right, LZ too. La Confora not so much.
Sure, I believe it, And who was the source of the leak that said O'Brien had Osweiler forced on him? What I don't believe is that these guys have McNair as a source. Because we know that none of this sounds like McNair. He doesn't like leaks and he doesn't like change. So there is smoke. Coming from 2 guys who aren't in charge of the fire.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Well gee maybe 2-3 a year, not 2-3 a decade and a half.
Not doing your rumor as fact game.
Not my rumor game.
LZ/Silver/Glazer's rumor game.
You know people who get paid and have sources throughout the NFL.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
It's your rumor game. People like them have jobs because folks like you do hail mary's to whatever they say, or at least what fits what you already think.
TxnsJuggernaut
Veteran
Bane, thank you for this post!!! Spot on!!!
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Kubiak was an O guy who needed to be schooled on D. That's more understandable than an O guy needing to be schooled on O.
Because they report it and they're usually reliable I'm doing Hail Mary's. OK
One thing I noticed you didn't respond to is the dysfunction within the Texans org. It's there whether you want to admit it or not. Been there for yrs and probably will remain so.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
You assume dysfunction. You always have to have a plot line with a bad guy in a black hat screaming "I'm the bad guy." That's why you and Texian and your minions talk about these dumbass scenarios where $2.69 billion corporate owners just fly off to Bora Bora with no opinion.
You're unable to look at things as simple bad judgment, bad luck. You have to demonize everything. I could sift thru any team in the league and find both. The Texans should be going on a decade of having the finest ILB duo in history but both got chopped down. Not dysfunction. Sh!t happens.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Please do so and enforce your opinion with 3-4 examples. Thanks.
You name the team that has never had bad judgment or bad luck and I'll start with them.
Seriously missing the point if you thought that was the exercise.
I'm surprised more hasn't been said about this.....
Seems like LZ is hinting that Smith is the leak.
When you say "seems like" does that mean Zierline is stating it is a fact? Or does steelbtexan have another source where zierline implicates Smith.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
"I could" =/= a promise. Basic English.
Are you really asserting there is a team without bad judgment or bad luck? Come out and make the assertion there is such a team, let's say within Rick Smith's tenure, and I'll give you examples.
Otherwise you're just trolling. And we both know, no such team exists.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Odd how mater of factly you say something. You said you would/could do something. You have not....somebody call an exterminator, i hear crickets.
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
WTF there was no "would/could" it was could. Damn this kind of perverting of statements has become pernicious.
Listen harder. Those crickets are saying powda just got called repeatedly and ran away from naming one team.
Toodles. You got called, you ran, offer expired.
False Start
On # 69
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
[QUOTE="steelbtexan, post: 2675825, member: 9766"
One thing I noticed you didn't respond to is the dysfunction within the Texans org. It's there whether you want to admit it or not. Been there for yrs and probably will remain so.[/QUOTE]
Apparently, steeleB if we're not getting 2-3 reports of dysfunction per week there is no dysfunction. When it is reported it's just haphazardly reported by guys with no history of credibility surfing for clicks. It's just the media being the media and no reason to suspect organizational drama.
Way to claim you could cite a billion examples cak and then take more effort arguing then citing examples. Whiff. You do not meet or exceed expectations.
One thing I noticed you didn't respond to is the dysfunction within the Texans org. It's there whether you want to admit it or not. Been there for yrs and probably will remain so.[/QUOTE]
Apparently, steeleB if we're not getting 2-3 reports of dysfunction per week there is no dysfunction. When it is reported it's just haphazardly reported by guys with no history of credibility surfing for clicks. It's just the media being the media and no reason to suspect organizational drama.
Way to claim you could cite a billion examples cak and then take more effort arguing then citing examples. Whiff. You do not meet or exceed expectations.
ROO
Tweak the offense already!
Cak, just to be honest, "Self-appointed possessor of truth" and "king of smart-assery" works better in TNSZ. The TexansTalk football fans are just having some fun with speculation about the team, okay? Not really a big enough deal for you to come in here causing strife and hard feelings. Please leave that crap in the no spin zone. Thanks. (Yes, I know, you are a moderator and can do whatever you damn well please.)
infantrycak
Hall of Fame
Actually powda only tried his gimmick because of NSZ strife. But I'm done with the issue. Y'all have a good evening excoriating the unknown inner workings of the Texans.
Used to be we talked football around here like foot technique, routes, schemes, etc. Things we could observe. But carry on.
PS - I'll take on King of Smart-Assery (thanks I thought I was just 90th percentile), but I think self-appointed possessor of truth is a competition between all the crystal ball holders who keep saying who did what when in the Texans' offices when they are just talking out their asses. Good day.
powda
The bridge between stupid and useless is short.
Looks like you didn't make it upstream. I know this is as close as you can get to "I'm wrong" or "im sorry." You don't have to say it, it's understood.
ROO
Tweak the offense already!
I would certainly be happy to see some threads concerning the stuff you mention here. If you feel like it, maybe you could get us kicked off in the right direction? Being totally serious...
ROO
Tweak the offense already!
I thought everyone was being serious. Didn't recognize that this is simply all in the fun.
I'll just laugh all this crap off in the future, just take it for what it is, inane ramblings on the internet.
