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Is Tom Savage A Long Term Option?

Insideop said:
I agree with you about getting a LBer, like Kendricks, who can cover the TE's. It's something the Texans have needed for awhile. The problem with fixing the O-line is they need a plug-n-play RT from day one next season and this draft is considered thin at the O-line position. McGlinchey has said he's going back to school and "the kid out of Wisconsin," Ramcyzk, is also leaning that way from what I've read. So, that leaves you down 2 of the better OT prospects for this draft already. Sure, there are some "developmental" guys you can pick up in the 2nd or 3rd round but the Texans need a RT now! That leaves them with looking for a FA in the off season and that will cost! Will they have the cap room to pay for one of the better FA OT's on the market? My guess is no. It's going to be an interesting off season!
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Some of those developmental guys are better than what they have right now. Bolles, I watched Bisnowaty today, Skipper, I'm looking forward to seeing Moton,

What the draft experts are saying is there aren't any Orlando Pace/Walter Jones/Boselli's in this yrs draft. But there are some solid OT prospects that would certainly be upgrades and 10 yr starters. Think Bahktiari (SP?) type OT's.
 
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Mollywhopper said:
... or Raiders.

Which I think is just as likely a scenario, if not more so.
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austins23 said:
Or the Raiders....
apologies, @Mollywhopper had beat me to it...

I think this scenario happens. Denver will win knocking the Raiders to the 5 seed.
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I was just going by current standings. But you guys have a great point; I cannot exclude this possibility. Although, I don't believe its likely as austin23 does given that Kubiak said he was going to play both Siemian and Lynch in the final game. Doesn't seem like a go for broke strategy to me.
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- Out of the playoff race, the
Denver Broncos want to get a head start on 2017 with a look at both of their quarterbacks in the regular-season finale Sunday against the Oakland Raiders.

Coach Gary Kubiak said Wednesday that Trevor Siemian would remain the starter against the Raiders on New Year's Day but that rookie Paxton Lynch would get some playing time in the game, as well.

"I'm going to play them both,'' Kubiak said after Wednesday's practice. "First off they're both young players -- one is younger than the other by about 10, 11 games. I think Trevor deserves it, the right to go back out there as a starter. He's done a lot of good things this year; he's a young player who needs to keep going.''
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Not sure which of the two I want to see us face. Too bad it can't be the Dolphins. :)
 
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steelbtexan said:
It will take atleast a 1 and Savage plus something else. There's going to be a bidding war for Jimmy G, most likely between Cleveland/Chicago. Unfortunately I dont think the Texans have enough to keep up, unless the Texans want to give up a 1/2 and Savage in next yrs draft. IMHO
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This seems vaguely familiar. Didn't we just go out and sign a FA QB? He was a bust so I don't see this happening again until the player is Matt Schaub Jr.
 
Hervoyel said:
I hope you're right but if he just barely does enough to make that happen there might still be doubt and the Texans might still be open to Os "winning" the job back in camp.
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I hope Os is riding the bench next year with Savage starting. It would be hard for me to go through another season like 2016 with Os playing. It has been torture.
 
bigmck said:
This seems vaguely familiar. Didn't we just go out and sign a FA QB? He was a bust so I don't see this happening again until the player is Matt Schaub Jr.
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Agreed, this is what happens when the owner gets involved. You end up with Os instead of Jimmy G.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed, this is what happens when the owner gets involved. You end up with Os instead of Jimmy G.
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McNair has every right to be involved in the business decisions and I am 100% certain he is smart enough to leave the football decisions to his experts.
If I owned that football team, I would expect to be privvy to and help with decisions I felt I had good input on.
Armchair gm guessing is irrelevant.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed, this is what happens when the owner gets involved. You end up with Os instead of Jimmy G.
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McNair has every right to be involved in the business decisions and I am 100% certain he is smart enough to leave the football decisions to his experts.
If I owned that football team, I would expect to be privvy to and help with decisions I felt I had good input on.
Armchair gm guessing is likely inaccurate and irrelevant.
 
bigmck said:
I hope Os is riding the bench next year with Savage starting. It would be hard for me to go through another season like 2016 with Os playing. It has been torture.
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Even when they were 6-3, the offensive performance was torture.

Agree. It would be tough going through another season with the same performance.
 
steelbtexan said:
Some of those developmental guys are better than what they have right now. Bolles, I watched Bisnowaty today, Skipper, I'm looking forward to seeing Moton,

What the draft experts are saying is there aren't any Orlando Pace/Walter Jones/Boselli's in this yrs draft. But there are some solid OT prospects that would certainly be upgrades and 10 yr starters. Think Bahktiari (SP?) type OT's.
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Yeah I don't see any 'franchise LT's' in this draft but I'd be fine with signing a FA to spot start and drafting a 2nd/3rd round guy to develop. There's going to be some decent UFA OT's this year and plenty of them will be upgrades over Newton/Clark.
 
bigmck said:
I hope Os is riding the bench next year with Savage starting. It would be hard for me to go through another season like 2016 with Os playing. It has been torture.
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Unless it's pretty much impossibly better than he's done this year then I'm in complete agreement with you.
 
austins23 said:
That scenario is possible as well, I think. KC and Oak BOTH lose, Miami wins. The Fins come to NRG in that case. Very unlikely but possible.
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The Miami scenario doesn't need Oakland to lose. KC loses, Miami wins. We play the Phins. Oakland would be the #2 seed.
 
I'd like to see the phins just so we could avenge that ass-whooping we took last year. After that, i'd like to see the Raiders just b/c we pretty much got cheated out of that game in Mexico City & im sure the boys would have a little extra juice to get their asses out of the playoffs.
 
Mr teX said:
I'd like to see the phins just so we could avenge that ass-whooping we took last year. After that, i'd like to see the Raiders just b/c we pretty much got cheated out of that game in Mexico City & im sure the boys would have a little extra juice to get their asses out of the playoffs.
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We have things to avenge with every one of those teams. I don't care who we get as long as we destroy them and get to the next round and then destroy whoever we play there.
 
Marcus said:
Who cares who we play? Or even if manage to squeeze out a win or two.

We're still gonna end up in New England, so just enjoy the ride while it lasts.
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When we get finished with New England...

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After the Chargers game my gut feeling was saying if Brock doesn't show Bill any improvement or he continues to turn the ball over, he will get benched. I was think Coach would've been benched him but the owner probably told him to give him a few more games. hahah I don't know, but man we were playing with fire here. After going on a 3 game skid, one would think our playoff's hopes were in jeopardy or something huh. Talk about a close call nonetheless and a gutsy call on the benching in which worked in our favor.

Now as far as if Savage is the answer, all I can say is, " time will tell".

I know one thing for sure though, the freaking play calling needs to be address real quick if they want to make any serious noise in the playoff's.
 
Mr teX said:
late in the mexico city game, Oakland began exposing our lb corps in coverage; KC did it in both games last year & began doing it late in our game this year. I think we all know NE would've done it if TB12 had've been playing when we matched up this year. As long as we continue to ask McKinney (who's a thumper) and a clearly not-what-he-once-was Cush to cover guys like Tyreke Hill, Latavius Murray and Travis Kelce in space it'll always be this defense's weakness. And as good as we have the potential to be on the DL generating a pass rush when Watt gets back, the pass rush will still need help getting home at times. McKinney has proven to be a solid pick up & contributor to this defense this year, but i would've loved it if we'd have snatched the guy taken just 2 picks after him in Erik Kendricks to be that every down lb covering backs and TE's in space........... & instead turn Cush's ass into the thumper that McKinney is now. We're a pretty good defense as we are now, but I think we'd be that much better had we had someone like Kendricks covering backs out of the backfield instead of McKinney.

I say all that to say I'd be more than ok with them going defense with 1 of the 1st 2 picks if they snatched a coverage lb with 1 of them. Cush is giving it a valiant effort, but its time to move on from him & get another real playmaker next to McKinney.

As for the o-line, we should have Martin coming back next year to hopefully solidfy the center position, Mancz has done ok this year, but at the very least he he's got 1 year under his belt on the pro level & should be better for next year...but could easily slide his ass over where he's more comfy to the right guard position..You already have a young guy FINALLY coming into his own at left guard position in Suafilo, you've got a few more years with Brown at LT, so really you just need a RT...I'm fine with them taking a 1st or 2nd rounder at that position....Keep Jeff Allen/Aboushi's asses on the bench as back ups where they belong.

Motton, McGlinchey..the kid out of Wisconsin come on down...Steelb, 76Texan, Texian do a breakdown on these 3 guys.
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Our run defense 2015 and 2016 has allowed less than 100 yards per game.

Cushing needs 7 combo tackles versus Tenn to equal his 2014 stats (72) for 14 games then and now. Like Wilfork, stats are only part of what he brings. Cush and McKinney have basically swapped roles as tacklers. When Cush leaves (not 2017) McKinney takes over. We replace Cush stats and that could be Peters or Bullough or even Scarlett. All three IIRC were UDFAs. While I want another ILB who can cover (Anthony Walker round 2) our overwhelming need is not defense.

DB is looking good against inferior opponents. We can win with him but his health should deteriorate sooner rather than later so we need to have guy ready to step in; draft that guy now round one [Bolles]. Round three brings us a right tackle. Round five brings us a guy who can back for all but center.

Round 2? For me it is a QB like Kaaya 24/34 282 @ 71% 4 TDs 0 ints versus W. VA or Forrest Lamp who can play OT or OG.

McGlinchy insists he's returning to ND and Ramczyk needs hip surgery. Moton is a road grader but prob a guard in power run scheme.
 
Insideop said:
I agree with you about getting a LBer, like Kendricks, who can cover the TE's. It's something the Texans have needed for awhile. The problem with fixing the O-line is they need a plug-n-play RT from day one next season and this draft is considered thin at the O-line position. McGlinchey has said he's going back to school and "the kid out of Wisconsin," Ramcyzk, is also leaning that way from what I've read. So, that leaves you down 2 of the better OT prospects for this draft already. Sure, there are some "developmental" guys you can pick up in the 2nd or 3rd round but the Texans need a RT now! That leaves them with looking for a FA in the off season and that will cost! Will they have the cap room to pay for one of the better FA OT's on the market? My guess is no. It's going to be an interesting off season!
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Arkansas Dan Skipper can start game one at RT and looked very very good at left tackle this season; should be there round three. Forrest Lamp can also play both.
 
What do y'all think BOB's reasoning is behind only throwing 7 pass plays in the first half last week? Is it mistrust in his QB? Holding his hand to keep him off tape thinking he can win anyway until the playoffs where he'll take the gloves off? A combination of both?
 
WolverineFan said:
Yeah I don't see any 'franchise LT's' in this draft but I'd be fine with signing a FA to spot start and drafting a 2nd/3rd round guy to develop. There's going to be some decent UFA OT's this year and plenty of them will be upgrades over Newton/Clark.
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Can they afford to sign one in FA and re-sign Bouye with the albatross that's Os contract hanging around their neck?
 
Texansphan said:
McNair has every right to be involved in the business decisions and I am 100% certain he is smart enough to leave the football decisions to his experts.
If I owned that football team, I would expect to be privvy to and help with decisions I felt I had good input on.
Armchair gm guessing is irrelevant.
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He has every right.

But he should hire good people, let them do their jobs and stay out of the personel business. Where we disagree and people are starting to see the light is the McNair's are very involved in the personnel dept, Like Jerrah and Stephen. They just dont own it like Jerrah and Stephen. IMHO
 
Bane said:
What do y'all think BOB's reasoning is behind only throwing 7 pass plays in the first half last week? Is it mistrust in his QB? Holding his hand to keep him off tape thinking he can win anyway until the playoffs where he'll take the gloves off? A combination of both?
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The right side of our offensive line decided to take a lunch break and almost got Savage killed. I don't think it's any more complicated than that. BoB opened things up the week before vs Jags and tried going back to this but was unable to. He's going to have to have a better pass protection game plan against a good pass rushing team in the playoffs or get ready for the vanilla running game offense we've seen all year.
 
Bane said:
What do y'all think BOB's reasoning is behind only throwing 7 pass plays in the first half last week? Is it mistrust in his QB? Holding his hand to keep him off tape thinking he can win anyway until the playoffs where he'll take the gloves off? A combination of both?
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Combination. Plus a Fiedo and Hop drops killed drives which limited the number of plays run. Plus after seeing the Bengals pass rush I'm sure BOB was trying to call plays to protect the ball. He opened up the offense after adjustments were made at halftime. Luckily the Bengals defense is better than any that they will face in the playoffs. (Excluding the Chiefs)
 
Bane said:
What do y'all think BOB's reasoning is behind only throwing 7 pass plays in the first half last week? Is it mistrust in his QB? Holding his hand to keep him off tape thinking he can win anyway until the playoffs where he'll take the gloves off? A combination of both?
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I don't know, and it is very perplexing. The passing game had a whole 13 yards in the first half. That is the definition of pathetic.

I know folks are hyped on Savage because he's better than Brock, but I'm just not sold at this point. I want to see a QB that can control the offense, not just survive it.
 
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Bane said:
What do y'all think BOB's reasoning is behind only throwing 7 pass plays in the first half last week? Is it mistrust in his QB? Holding his hand to keep him off tape thinking he can win anyway until the playoffs where he'll take the gloves off? A combination of both?
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He wanted to establish the run game. had we been able to pick up 1st downs we'd have thrown more.
 
Double Barrel said:
I don't know, and it is very perplexing. The passing game had a whole 13 yards in the first half. That is the definition of pathetic.

I know folks are hyped on Savage because he's better than Brock, but I'm just not sold at this point. I want to see a QB that can control the offense, not just survive it.
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Well this yr you're hoping against hope. The offense is better with Savage but it still stinks. Stink = Stink regardless of how you dress it up.

I'm just hoping that Savage doesn't get hurt (Again) behind this crap OL. The reason he's more likely to get hurt is he will stand in and deliver the ball against the rush. Unlike happy feet Os. (Which is what lead to Os accuracy issues.)
 
steelbtexan said:
Can they afford to sign one in FA and re-sign Bouye with the albatross that's Os contract hanging around their neck?
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They likely can if they want to (They always can if they really want to), but should they want to?
Signing him won't be cheap, and unless they get rid of another CB, how much sense does it make to pay big bucks to Bouye, and end up with 4 CB's of whom only 3 (at most) will be on the field together for any appreciable amount of time.

Depth is one thing, but areas of need is another, and unless they cut ties with Joseph (maybe they will, who knows), I see the money they'd spend to re-sign Bouye better spent on another position.
 
ChampionTexan said:
Depth is one thing, but areas of need is another, and unless they cut ties with Joseph (maybe they will, who knows), I see the money they'd spend to re-sign Bouye better spent on another position.
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Cutting/trading Joseph saves us $6.5M right?
 
Double Barrel said:
I don't know, and it is very perplexing. The passing game had a whole 13 yards in the first half. That is the definition of pathetic.

I know folks are hyped on Savage because he's better than Brock, but I'm just not sold at this point. I want to see a QB that can control the offense, not just survive it.
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I want to see the Texans come out up tempo Sunday. That is a strength of Savage's and when he looks the best. Get Savage in a rhythm early and the running game will develop on its own. Max protect, if need be, with two TE sets. They can always peel off and get to the flat or a soft spot in zone coverage.
 
ChampionTexan said:
They likely can if they want to (They always can if they really want to), but should they want to?
Signing him won't be cheap, and unless they get rid of another CB, how much sense does it make to pay big bucks to Bouye, and end up with 4 CB's of whom only 3 (at most) will be on the field together for any appreciable amount of time.

Depth is one thing, but areas of need is another, and unless they cut ties with Joseph (maybe they will, who knows), I see the money they'd spend to re-sign Bouye better spent on another position.
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I'd rather they cut Joseph than part with Bouye. Joseph is at the end and Bouye looks like a budding pro bowl guy.
 
Bane said:
What do y'all think BOB's reasoning is behind only throwing 7 pass plays in the first half last week? Is it mistrust in his QB? Holding his hand to keep him off tape thinking he can win anyway until the playoffs where he'll take the gloves off? A combination of both?
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The offensive line was horrendous in the 1st half. So to protect Savage, who we all know is prone to injury, he ran the ball often.
 
DocBar said:
I want to see the Texans come out up tempo Sunday. That is a strength of Savage's and when he looks the best. Get Savage in a rhythm early and the running game will develop on its own. Max protect, if need be, with two TE sets. They can always peel off and get to the flat or a soft spot in zone coverage.
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Absolute agreement.
 
Bane said:
I get that but the run wasn't working either. Why not go with west coast stuff?
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Your guess is as good as mines. But to be honest O'Brien struggles to make in game adjustments. He leaned heavenly on the defense because they were also playing lights out. Hmmm he gambled and it worked.

Thank you defense
 
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Texansballer74 said:
You're guess is as good as mines. But to be honest O'Brien struggles to make in game adjustments. He leaned heavenly on the defense because they were also playing lights out. Hmmm he gambled and it worked.

Thank you defense
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No kidding. I think BOB has been really good st half time adjustments, but he doesn't seem to even attempt it on the fly in the first half.
 
steelbtexan said:
He has every right.

But he should hire good people, let them do their jobs and stay out of the personel business. Where we disagree and people are starting to see the light is the McNair's are very involved in the personnel dept, Like Jerrah and Stephen. They just dont own it like Jerrah and Stephen. IMHO
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So who do you recommend?
What makes you think he is not letting them do their jobs?
 
Texansphan said:
So who do you recommend?
What makes you think he is not letting them do their jobs?
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DeCosta

Because the McNair's put restrictions on the types of players that can be added to the roster. Os was a McNair directive, Ed Reed etc....
 
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