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steelbtexan said:
Really sad, seems like this stuff happens far too often in New Orleans. 1st Will Smith and now this.

RIP and thoughts and prayers go out to the McKnight family.
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Is he the dude that crush his own neck lifting at USC?

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Nope, that was Stafon Johnson
 
Mollywhopper said:
Is the Lane Kiffin part an adlib?
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Yes, my comments added in parenthesis. Kiffin spent a lot of time in Tampa when his Dad was DC for the Bucs. Lane's wife was born and raised in Tampa, her Dad is John Reaves. (I went to high school with John, Hulk Hogan went to the same school)
 
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Rotoworld NFL Draft ‏@Rotoworld_Draft 6m6 minutes ago
Reports: Cincinnati to hire OSU DC Fickell http://tinyurl.com/z9ae6we

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Multiple outlets are reporting that Ohio State DC Luke Fickell has been hired to serve as Cincinnati's next head coach.

An official announcement is expected to be made on Saturday. Fickell already had a little trial-by-fire test run as a head coach in 2011, when he served as Ohio State's interim man in the wake of the team's firing of Jim Tressell. That 2011 campaign ended with a 6-7 record. The Bearcats' hiring makes all the sense in the world on a logistical level, as Fickell is an Ohio State graduate with deep recruiting roots in the Midwest. At Cincinnati, he will replace Tommy Tuberville, who stepped down following the close of a dismal 2016 season.
 
TexansSeminole said:
Nailed it. Strong recruits south Florida unlike anyone I have seen. I worry about his affect on FSU's ability to get some recruits, even though it's USF. Players love Strong.
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He likely won't get the blue chips to USF but where he will dent FSU and Miami is his ability to get guys at that next level down. Guys that are really talented but not getting the same attention as the top recruits. The bulk of most recruiting classes are made from those guys and they usually end up being the glue guys on good teams. USF will start getting some of the ones that used to go to FSU and Miami.
 
bah007 said:
He likely won't get the blue chips to USF but where he will dent FSU and Miami is his ability to get guys at that next level down. Guys that are really talented but not getting the same attention as the top recruits. The bulk of most recruiting classes are made from those guys and they usually end up being the glue guys on good teams. USF will start getting some of the ones that used to go to FSU and Miami.
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Much like recruits Baylor and TCU has signed
 
I'm 6'5 and 350. My uncle is a former wrestler in the old WWF/WWE. If I had been there, I'd have bull rushed Joe Mixon and body slammed him to the ground. I'd have made him apologize to that girl and even held him down until police came. That entire video disgusts the hell out of me. What a little punk. I'd like to see him hit somebody his own size or bigger.

I kind of hope Joe Mixon ends up a Houston Texan - even though I know we'll never bring in a player like that clown. Bob McNair would never okay it. Just so he can be in the same city and I can find him a lot easier.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Misdemeanor assault. He got a one-year deferred sentence, 100 hours community service, and counseling.
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Wow... I wouldn't have called that assault.

I think he's a POS to hit a woman like that. But if that was a man, would you call that assault?
 
Mollywhopper said:
Wow, what a complete and utter c*ckhead.
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Why did she push him and then slap him? She stepped to him first according to what is shown on the vid.

I've never been a proponent of hitting women. I've never struck a girl in anger. Never will.

But I DO want to know why she tore into him first. And it looked like she came into the restaurant with attitude from the jump.

More to this than that short video shows.

And as TK said, if a guy had pushed him and then hit him in the face, it would have been ON and this wouldn't be a story.
 
Have the times changed to where if a women pushes and slaps a guy he can knock her out? Hopefully no team drafts this punk but the Patriots will probably grab him. Did he serve any suspensions for this? Doubt NCAA will do anything about it. They prefer to hammer the major stuff like trading trophies for tattoos instead of minor things like rape, domestic violence and universities making up fake programs to keep athletes eligible.
 
ObsiWan said:
Why did she push him and then slap him? She stepped to him first according to what is shown on the vid.

I've never been a proponent of hitting women. I've never struck a girl in anger. Never will.

But I DO want to know why she tore into him first. And it looked like she came into the restaurant with attitude from the jump.

More to this than that short video shows.

And as TK said, if a guy had pushed him and then hit him in the face, it would have been ON and this wouldn't be a story.
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If you watch the video again look at who Mixon is facing when she goes after him. He isn't facing her, he is facing her friend (who is gay). Her version of events is that he used a homophobic slur toward her friend and that's why she went after him. His version of events is that she used a racial slur toward him and that's why he hit her. Watching the video I'm inclined to believe her version of events.

Regardless, words are just words. She never should have started the physicality. But that being said there is no reason, no reason whatsoever, for his reaction. His reaction was way way over the top. He's a 225 lb athlete. She's a 120 lb drunk girl who had no weapons at her disposal. She pushed him. His reaction was to break 4 bones in her face and then bolt out of the place.

He should be in jail.
 
ObsiWan said:
Why did she push him and then slap him? She stepped to him first according to what is shown on the vid.

I've never been a proponent of hitting women. I've never struck a girl in anger. Never will.

But I DO want to know why she tore into him first. And it looked like she came into the restaurant with attitude from the jump.

More to this than that short video shows.

And as TK said, if a guy had pushed him and then hit him in the face, it would have been ON and this wouldn't be a story.
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All the things WF said, as he beat me to it. But...

He's 6'1 225. She's clearly far from that. She was wrong, but he overreacted to a point that's criminal.

Self-defense doesn't work with, 'someone was a sh*thead so I'm allowed to annihilate them...'.

He went looking for an a confrontation, got one, and then dug his feet in against someone who he overmatched by multiple weightclasses/abilities.

He would have had an argument that she was out of line, until he decided instantly, and almost like he was waiting for it, to take full advantage of the moment and treat her like she was some actual threat to his life. Which is an entire misappropriation of the self-defense argument.

It was a punk move by a punk kid and he deserved punishment.
 
Mollywhopper said:
It was a punk move by a punk kid and he deserved punishment.
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Agreed. But I don't think he did anything criminal.


If I thought I was a badass & suckered punched you, then you uppercut me into a coma, I don't think I should be able to sue you, or that you should face criminal charges.

The school should revoke his scholarship, conduct unbecoming.
 
thunderkyss said:
Agreed. But I don't think he did anything criminal.


If I thought I was a badass & suckered punched you, then you uppercut me into a coma, I don't think I should be able to sue you, or that you should face criminal charges.

The school should revoke his scholarship, conduct unbecoming.
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Strange that you only quoted and responded to one tiny part of what I said, so I'll repeat, essentially, the rest of it just to be sure.

The particulars of the participants matters.

This girl was never in any way whatsoever an actual threat to this guy to warrant his return of force. This is key to his (any) self-defense argument.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Strange that you only quoted and responded to one tiny part of what I said, so I'll repeat, essentially, the rest of it just to be sure.

The particulars of the participants matters.

This girl was never in any way whatsoever an actual threat to this guy to warrant his return of force. This is key to his (any) self-defense argument.
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I think dude could have decided not to respond with force & filed charges against her for assault.

Most everyone would still be calling him a punk, but for entirely different reasons.

I do not consider what he did in that video assault. Doesn't mean I condone his actions or think he did nothing wrong. I just wouldn't call it assault.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think dude could have decided not to respond with force & filed charges against her for assault.

Most everyone would still be calling him a punk, but for entirely different reasons.

I do not consider what he did in that video assault. Doesn't mean I condone his actions or think he did nothing wrong. I just wouldn't call it assault.
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She open hand slapped him, if open hand slapping was assault a whole lot of women would have criminal records. Big difference between a forceful punch that breaks face bones and a harmless slab that is essential saying your a dick. I am having a hard time figuring out why some dont see that. If a women slaps a man and he in turn breaks bones in her face, major punishment should occur. He should have been thrown out of school and put in jail for 6 months.
 
thunderkyss said:
I think dude could have decided not to respond with force & filed charges against her for assault.

Most everyone would still be calling him a punk, but for entirely different reasons.

I do not consider what he did in that video assault. Doesn't mean I condone his actions or think he did nothing wrong. I just wouldn't call it assault.
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I don't know how you'd rationally call it self-defense. He's a human weapon compared to her. Which is absolutely central to his claiming self-defense.

He initiated the whole mess, and he broke her f*ck*ng face. And it wasn't self-defense.

We're left with assault. I don't know how else you categorize it.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I don't know how you'd rationally call it self-defense. He's a human weapon compared to her. Which is absolutely central to his claiming self-defense.

He initiated the whole mess, and he broke her f*ck*ng face. And it wasn't self-defense.

We're left with assault. I don't know how else you categorize it.
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She assaulted him. he could have walked away. he could have guarded his person. or he could retaliate.

I wouldn't call it self defense.

I do not feel his actions were appropriate.

I do not feel he broke any law. had he been a certified black belt, or a prize fighter (amateur or professional) I could see it.

But this was just a heat of the action moment gone wrong. still should be punished, I could see the school reprimand in him.

I just don't see criminal assault.
 
thunderkyss said:
She assaulted him. he could have walked away. he could have guarded his person. or he could retaliate.

I wouldn't call it self defense.

I do not feel his actions were appropriate.

I do not feel he broke any law. had he been a certified black belt, or a prize fighter (amateur or professional) I could see it.

But this was just a heat of the action moment gone wrong. still should be punished, I could see the school reprimand in him.

I just don't see criminal assault.
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He legally broke a girl's face who posed no legitimate threat to him. Ok.
 
Mollywhopper said:
He legally broke a girl's face who posed no legitimate threat to him. Ok.
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So women should just be able push and slap any guy they please as long as they're smaller than he his?

And how do you know she posed no threat? Do you know she didn't have a weapon in her purse? Could he know that?

I've never struck a female and never will. And I'm with the folks that say he should be kicked off the team and suspended from school and add to that have to pay her medical bills. But giving him a criminal record for life? I'm not there.
 
ObsiWan said:
So women should just be able push and slap any guy they please as long as they're smaller than he his?

And how do you know she posed no threat? Do you know she didn't have a weapon in her purse? Could he know that?

I've never struck a female and never will. And I'm with the folks that say he should be kicked off the team and suspended from school and add to that have to pay her medical bills. But giving him a criminal record for life? I'm not there.
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- Show me where I said that.

- I watched the video. The threat can only be interpreted by what had happened. How do I know that anyone isn't about to pull out a weapon at any moment? Of course I don't and I'm not going to act as such. Her threat of force throughout the event was all that could be acted upon. And it was clearly very little.

- Disagree to your heart's content. I think he overreacted criminally and now perhaps he'll react in a more measured way should he walk himself into situations like this ever again. Because that's a part of what punishment is for.
 
Well he got deffered probation. If that's like deffered adjudication his record may not show anything at all.


Now she's suing... I can see stiff financial implications here. & the school may take action as well. Like I said earlier I'd revoke his scholarship.
 
She has no right to slap him, but he obviously is not in the right to batter her to the point of breaking bones in her face.

They are both in the wrong and both should be punished. Mixon got off light.

As someone else said, it's pretty clear that he's looking for an altercation. He even said that other people he was with left, but he stuck around. He's also alone in having approached their table. It looks very clearly as if he was egging on some type of confrontation, probably because he knows he can win it physically. That leaves self-defense out of the equation in my mind.
 
Mollywhopper said:
Would you really call it self-defense?
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Yes I would, women need to learn to keep their hands off of men and vice versa. With that said I think he took it to far. But can somebody clearly define for me what is too far.

BTW, I've never hit a woman in my life, but have been hit by a woman.
 
steelbtexan said:
Yes I would, women need to learn to keep their hands off of men and vice versa. With that said I think he took it to far. But can somebody clearly define for me what is too far.

BTW, I've never hit a woman in my life, but have been hit by a woman.
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He was loaded for bear hunting gopher. A gopher nipped his ankle and he fired his loaded weapon.

But yes, no one (man, woman, both, non-descript) should be laying hands on anyone else. So for the umpteenth (I think second umpteenth time in this thread, so that's maybe umpteenthsquared) time, she was wrong for getting physical. Could have been charged. But once he showed his true aim was to continue with what he initiated and took the situation advantageously hostile then he took responsibility for the outcome and damages.
 
Mollywhopper said:
He was loaded for bear hunting gopher. A gopher nipped his ankle and he fired his loaded weapon.

But yes, no one (man, woman, both, non-descript) should be laying hands on anyone else. So for the umpteenth (I think second umpteenth time in this thread, so that's maybe umpteenthsquared) time, she was wrong for getting physical. Could have been charged. But once he showed his true aim was to continue with what he initiated and took the situation advantageously hostile then he took responsibility for the outcome and damages.
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Agreed

But you didn't clearly identify the line.
 
steelbtexan said:
Agreed

But you didn't clearly identify the line.
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I didn't intend to. Never said there was a clearly identifiable line for all occasions either. Just like I said from the get go that the particulars of the participants matters, I think what is taking things too far is dependent on the variables of the situation.

The particulars and variables of this situation have been repeated several times, and I believe they warrant a 'too far' judgment and sentence.
 
Mollywhopper said:
I didn't intend to. Never said there was a clearly identifiable line for all occasions either. Just like I said from the get go that the particulars of the participants matters, I think what is taking things too far is dependent on the variables of the situation.

The particulars and variables of this situation have been repeated several times, and I believe they warrant a 'too far' judgment and sentence.
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So the line is arbitrary.

And that is wrong. (Not you)
 
TexansSeminole said:
She has no right to slap him, but he obviously is not in the right to batter her to the point of breaking bones in her face.
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So if there were no breaking bone, would this be different? If he wasn't as strong as he is & he just knocked here down, bruised her ego... this wouldn't be assault in your book?
 
thunderkyss said:
So if there were no breaking bone, would this be different? If he wasn't as strong as he is & he just knocked here down, bruised her ego... this wouldn't be assault in your book?
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It's battery regardless. Man or woman, I think they both should be guilty of battery.

He's taking no course of action to avoid a confrontation and appears to be inviting it.

He's clearly part of the problem here and in the wrong. If you can't see that, there's nothing to debate with you. We'll just disagree.
 
TexansSeminole said:
It's battery regardless. Man or woman, I think they both should be guilty of battery.

He's taking no course of action to avoid a confrontation and appears to be inviting it.

He's clearly part of the problem here and in the wrong. If you can't see that, there's nothing to debate with you. We'll just disagree.
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Maybe I missed it, but no one in this conversation has said he was "in the right" for hitting her. The question is, what level of force or what degree of difference in, call it strength/size/ability to do damage, makes this altercation a criminal act and not just an altercation between a drunk person and a pissed off person??

Like SteelB asked, where is that line specifically defined? And I'll add, who gets to define it?
 
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