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Texans Training Camp 2016

xtruroyaltyx said:
Jimmy graham isn't s good blocker but he causes matchup problems in pass coverage. Jordan Reed is another guy is similar to Anderson who puts up really good passing game numbers because of the match up issues in the passing game. Took shifty for most LBs, too big for most corners when the ball arrives.
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I understand Jimmy Graham can't block. I've heard defenses "know" if it's a run play, they're running away from Graham's side (on NFLN). But yes, he makes up for it in the passing game, but his size is a big part of that combination that makes him hard to defend.

Jordan Reed is similar to Anderson's size, but I don't really know how good he is as a blocker. At his size, personally I think he'd have to be a good blocker that forces the LB/Safety coverage (blocking in both the run & pass game)... but I don't know. Haven't really seen anything but highlights of him in the passing game.

I hope like hell he is that guy & "solves" our TE issue for years to come, but Jordan Reed was drafted in the 3rd round, our guy was undrafted, so there's a difference somewhere.

All I'm saying, is that I'll have to wait & see how defenses play him & hope they can't come up with a good "solution"
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
If he isn't consistently owning corners when he's blocking and winning blocking battles against most safeties then it could be harder to implement him into the game plan.

It's not just running game vs passing game though..the guy is still bigger than a lot of corners in the league. If he is able to beat corners in the passing game using his size/body positioning when the ball arrives then that's another issue teams will have. He's 6'2", was listed as 230lbs at the combine and had a 38" vert.

Jimmy graham isn't s good blocker but he causes matchup problems in pass coverage.
There is good reason why Graham causes marchup problems.....................he weighs 265 lbs............at 6'7"

Jordan Reed is another guy is similar to Anderson who puts up really good passing game numbers because of the match up issues in the passing game. Took shifty for most LBs, too big for most corners when the ball arrives.

Reed still has over 15 lbs over Anderson to strongly contest balls.
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Number19 said:
You haven't missed anything. It's just I see things a bit differently. My take is that there are two ILB positions and it looks like we have three solid thumpers in Cushing, McKinney and Bullough. Plus McKinney is showing some cover skills as he begins to play more instinctively. I like what I've read about Peters being a converted safety and having the size to play ILB. If he can develope and be a solid cover man, then he fills that need. And then we have Cliette, if he can stay healthy. To me, this represents solid depth at the position.
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I agree, ILB has surprisingly become one of our deepest positions. It will be hard to keep Peters and Bullough out of games. I am hoping to here a few more positives about our DEs and OTs in camp. That depth has me a little more concerned.
 
thunderkyss said:
I hope like hell he is that guy & "solves" our TE issue for years to come, but Jordan Reed was drafted in the 3rd round, our guy was undrafted, so there's a difference somewhere.
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I'm having Keenum flashbacks all over again.
But but but Drew Brees is the same size, why can't Keenum be good?
Because he sucks.
 
JamTex said:
And really. You don't need to be a jerk. We're all Texans fans here.
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For the most part you will find a good amount of conversation and debate here. Unfortunately there is a certain amount of Jr High School attitude that you will have to wade through from time to time. A couple of Internet tough guys if you know what I mean.
 

First of all, I understand graham is 6'7" inches. It wasn't meant to be a literal comparison. What I'm pointing to is that you don't have to be a good blocker in his role to be effective IF you can find ways to get receptions against different types of defenders. I didn't bring up Reed and Graham as literal f'n comparisons. Jeezus.
I brought them up as two guys who aren't considered great blockers and are known for their ability to get receptions in different ways against different defenders. I actually used those two guys as contrasting types of players.


And to Papal, this conversation is nothing like Keenum. First of all, Keenum doesn't "suck". He might not be a starting qb in this league but he's a decent back up, emergency guy.

2nd, I haven't claimed anything about Anderson. I am simply talking football in general and schemes in general. Anderson could suck ass for all I know.

What I'm responding to is the notion that he has to be a good in line blocker to be effective. I do not agree with that premise. I do not even look at him as an answer to the TE problem which is the box doc appears to want to put him in. I look at him as a potential weapon on the field who can be effective IF (notice I keep saying if) he is good enough.


This conversation is about Anderson but it's also about scheme and player usage
 
Texian said:
For the most part you will find a good amount of conversation and debate here. Unfortunately there is a certain amount of Jr High School attitude that you will have to wade through from time to time. A couple of Internet tough guys if you know what I mean.
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You call out guys all the time for making obvious mistakes. Is that a jr high attitude or internet tough guy?
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
What I'm responding to is the notion that he has to be a good in line blocker to be effective. I do not agree with that premise. I do not even look at him as an answer to the TE problem which is the box doc appears to want to put him in. I look at him as a potential weapon on the field who can be effective IF (notice I keep saying if) he is good enough.


This conversation is about Anderson but it's also about scheme and player usage
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I really don't know where you got that...........it's the Texans that are putting him in that box. I would put him more in the WR box.
 
xtruroyaltyx said:
I didn't bring up Reed and Graham as literal f'n comparisons. Jeezus.
I brought them up as two guys who aren't considered great blockers and are known for their ability to get receptions in different ways against different defenders. I actually used those two guys as contrasting types of players.
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I didn't know where Reed stood as a blocker.. good or bad.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I really don't know where you got that...........it's the Texans that are putting him in that box. I would put him more in the WR box.
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His role. That's what matters. You are harping on him not being able to do the traditional TE stuff. That's the box I'm referring to.
 
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Number19 said:
It's too tempting to not pass on this. Case sucks so bad, he's the starting QB for the Rams. He's having an excellent camp and not about to give up the starting spot to #1 pick Goff without the rookie earning it.


http://www.espn.com/blog/st-louis-r...elding-rams-starting-job-to-rookie-jared-goff
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Starting for the Rams? That's the measuring stick? Hahahaha. He's so awesome that they traded the farm to draft a better QB.


xtruroyaltyx said:
And to Papal, this conversation is nothing like Keenum. First of all, Keenum doesn't "suck". He might not be a starting qb in this league but he's a decent back up, emergency guy.
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Double checks...yup, dropped him for Mallet - whom also sucks.
 
kiwitexansfan said:
If Fedora was as useless as he's being painted here on the board I have no doubt he'd have been cut by now.

As much as people hate on them OB and Smith aren't incompetent.

They must see things that aren't being appreciated/seen here on the board.

Hopefully the improvement mentioned in the camp reports is legit and we get what we were hoping for when he got drafted.
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maybe but he is a cheap, big guy who is now in his third season in this system. They did not use a draft pick on this position, so he could be there until s
CloakNNNdagger said:
So far untold, B-Mack has packed on 17 pounds of muscle over what he is officially listed.


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good find Doc! I am glad he added weight but I am more interested in him and Cush shutting down the middle than back peddling on a pass play. Our Dbs should handle that but Wilfork and the MLBs need to :choke:the middle.
 
Texian said:
For the most part you will find a good amount of conversation and debate here. Unfortunately there is a certain amount of Jr High School attitude that you will have to wade through from time to time. A couple of Internet tough guys if you know what I mean.
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Texian said:
Case and Point! If the shoe fits....
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Mollywhopper said:
I got more of a 'I'm rubber and you're glue...' vibe.
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Carr Bombed said:
:popcorn:
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oh boy..here we go again...yaa
 
badboy said:
maybe but he is a cheap, big guy who is now in his third season in this system. They did not use a draft pick on this position, so he could be there until s
good find Doc! I am glad he added weight but I am more interested in him and Cush shutting down the middle than back peddling on a pass play. Our Dbs should handle that but Wilfork and the MLBs need to :choke:the middle.
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Without Watt, i think we're going to see more blitzes... with Cush & McKinney being practically mirror images, im hoping they'll be a lot of ILB blitzes to confuse offenses.
 
I have mixed feelings TK, blitzes by ILB seem to go between OG and the center then often a RB; not saying it cannot work but a good QB will just smile and dump to the empty space. Sacks and hurries look great..but the other result is often a big play when QB reads, reacts and makes a big play.
 
badboy said:
I have mixed feelings TK, blitzes by ILB seem to go between OG and the center then often a RB; not saying it cannot work but a good QB will just smile and dump to the empty space. Sacks and hurries look great..but the other result is often a big play when QB reads, reacts and makes a big play.
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Originally that was one of the strengths of the 3-4. You never knew which of the 4 LBs were coming. With Mercilus looking like a true 3-4 LB & not a stand up rush end (not that there is anything wrong with that, if that's how your system works) we should be able to blitz an inside LB where the other & Mercilus drop into coverage.
 
badboy said:
maybe but he is a cheap, big guy who is now in his third season in this system. They did not use a draft pick on this position, so he could be there until s
good find Doc! I am glad he added weight but I am more interested in him and Cush shutting down the middle than back peddling on a pass play. Our Dbs should handle that but Wilfork and the MLBs need to :choke:the middle.
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Come on I would of Cut Hoyer after the first game last year. Don't put anything past these city slickers.....

Of course I never would of signed him in the first place.
 
badboy said:
I have mixed feelings TK, blitzes by ILB seem to go between OG and the center then often a RB; not saying it cannot work but a good QB will just smile and dump to the empty space. Sacks and hurries look great..but the other result is often a big play when QB reads, reacts and makes a big play.
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True but if we can have Bmac able to cover RB's I don't mind Cushing going in to disrupt. I agree though, it is a risk reward factor in ILB blitzes but I think Romeo knows when to dial them. Especially on like 3rd and 8. Safety can come down too if we're playing a team with aveage tight ends for OLB to cover.
 
jcs1311991 said:
True but if we can have Bmac able to cover RB's I don't mind Cushing going in to disrupt. I agree though, it is a risk reward factor in ILB blitzes but I think Romeo knows when to dial them. Especially on like 3rd and 8. Safety can come down too if we're playing a team with aveage tight ends for OLB to cover.
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I think the key to blitzing is to keep the offense guessing where it is coming from. If you can do that, even when you don't blitz, they may be rattled.
 
Here's a player that was caught up in the numbers with the Cowboys. Being able to play CB and safety, there was a new Cowboys CB coach with a new philosophy that he just didn't fit the mold that he wanted.

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Terrance Mitchell Is Trying To Land His New Home With the Houston Texans

Defensive back Terrance Mitchell is pushing to make the Houston Texans his new home for the upcoming season.

Each new season brings in new faces to each NFL team and the Houston Texans have brought in some new guys of their own. The team scours the waiver wire and free agent market and, during OTAs, they claimed Terrance Mitchell off waivers from the Dallas Cowboys.

This came after Mitchell infused some life in the Cowboys defense in the final three games, racking up 12 tackles and 1 interception, which was half of the team’s total for the season. It taught Mitchell a valuable lesson of the NFL.

“It is a tough business and you have to be ready at all times,” said Mitchell, referring to his release from Dallas. “One day you might be here, the next day you might be over there. That is why you have to continue to work.”

That work has been carried over to his short tenure in Houston and Mitchell has a chance to round out the corner position depth chart if he is able to continue his strong camp. That applied to both on the field and off the field work, along with learning his new team.

“The biggest thing is meeting new people and just vibing with team chemistry,” explained Mitchell. “Just being a good teammate to new faces and trying to learn everything.”

Learning the playbook and understanding the techniques taught on a day-to-day basis makes it an overall grind for Mitchell. With the ability to play either cornerback or safety, Mitchell fits the mold of what Bill O’Brien wants for his team: versatility.

“Being able to just play anywhere, I am still working. I just have to get comfortable and continue to work,” said Mitchell. “Everything is still just learning the system, learning all of the techniques. I just have to keep working.”

The site of the first preseason game, set to kick off this coming weekend against the San Francisco 49ers in Santa Clara, CA, holds a special place for Mitchell, who is from Sacramento and played his college football at Oregon.

“It is going to feel good to go against some else. On top of that we are going back to Northern California, I’m going home,” said Mitchell.

Despite returning home to California for this preseason contest, Mitchell is trying to make his home for the upcoming season in Houston. With opportunity in front of him, Mitchell is one of many new faces in 2016 trying to lock down a roster spot.
 
Texans' Brock Osweiler: Wendall Williams' speed looks '100 mph'

The blur of rapid-fire movement, cleats firing into the ground like pistons, accelerated past Texans starting quarterback Brock Osweiler as he turned his eyes toward the practice field to marvel at rookie wide receiver Wendall Williams' rare speed.

A former track star at the University of the Cumberlands who registered an unofficial 4.19 in the 40-yard dash for NFL scouts with an official time of 4.32 seconds and a 45-inch vertical leap, Williams is making an impression on the Texas as an undrafted free agent making a bid for a roster spot as a dynamic kick returner.

"He's pretty fast," Osweiler said. "I just kind of turned my head and saw Wendall taking a kickoff return, looked like he was going 100 miles per hour, so he's very special when it comes to his speed."

A 25-year-old former truck driver from upstate New York who once rose at dawn to bring hamburger buns to Five Guys, Williams thrived at the University of the Cumberrlands after a series of brief junior college stints.

Standing on the Texans' practice field, Williams practically has to pinch himself to make sure he's awake and not dreaming.

"I love it," Williams said. "Every time I walk on the field, I feel chills. I was driving a truck, but it made me who I am today. I went through a lot of ups and downs in my life."

In college, Williams buckled down academically after years as an indifferent student growing up in Syracuse, N.Y..

Williams excelled as the NAIA national outdoor champion in the long jump, an All-American in the 100 meters and 200 meters.

He scored 15 touchdowns in 10 games last season, including eight touchdown catches, three rushing touchdowns, three kickoff returns for scores and one punt return for a touchdown.

"Wendall Williams probably gets up to 28 miles per hour on a bad day," Texans wide receiver Jaelen Strong said. "I knew he was fast before we practiced. I like to look to see the guys we get on our team and get to know them before I meet them. I saw he ran like a 4.19. When I saw that I was pretty excited to see him."

Is Williams a track star or a true football player?

"He's a football player," Strong said.

Now, Williams is adjusting to the NFL as he tries to a win a job as a reserve wide receiver. Williams has caught the football fairly consistently and is gaining polish as a route-runner.

"It's going good, I love it," Williams said. "I'm trying, man. I want to come out here, compete and be a great teammate. I'm very comfortable back there returning kicks. I'm at home on returns.

"I stay in my playbook, so I can produce more on the offensive side. As a receiver, you want to catch everything, but no one is perfect. I'm just trying to stay focused."
 
If we were still doing the "Adopt-a-Player" thing, I'd go with Williams. Gotta root for a guy like him.
 
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