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Arian Foster reported to have serious groin injury
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playa465
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Ok, I can see the map now...thanks
If it weren't for the video, I could probably get behind this. But after seeing the right cross he laid on her... no. Doesn't matter to me that the wife & the family "forgave" him. I like McNair's stance, & hopefully the rest of the NFL, zero tolerance.
I know, I know... McNair didn't have a problem with Ahman Green. But that was a totally different situation. "Domestic violence" in that issue was a woman calling the cops on her husband, because they were arguing. I don't believe anyone ever claimed Ahman Green hit his woman.
False Start
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I'd bring him in because I think he's super motivated to show he can still play. And from what I've heard he's learned his lesson and his wife and her fam have forgiven him. This would be a good opportunity for the Texans to show they can give a reformed guy a second chance.
And I've never laid a hand on a woman in my life.
Well.... not counting spankings that were requested
Excellent point bro! That would fit Texans and their goody-goody persona that like to portray.
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John McClain @McClain_on_NFL
Josh Weinfuss @joshweinfuss
At worst, Foster should b back 4 last 8 games. Texans bye is 9th week and start 2nd half in 10th week, giving him 2 more weeks if needed
Foster could be out 2 months, which means first month of season, or 3 months, meaning he'd return for 2nd half of season.
Foster has returned from a lot of injuries and played well, including back surgery last year. I expect him to return no later than 2nd half.
Texans don't have to decide on Foster going on IR-designated to return till cut to 53. That gives them 1 month to chart his progress.
Foster could be out 2 months, which means first month of season, or 3 months, meaning he'd return for 2nd half of season.
Foster has returned from a lot of injuries and played well, including back surgery last year. I expect him to return no later than 2nd half.
Texans don't have to decide on Foster going on IR-designated to return till cut to 53. That gives them 1 month to chart his progress.
Josh Weinfuss @joshweinfuss
Bruce Arians was asked if the #AZCardinals would consider bringing in Ray Rice. His answer? "No."
Arians not happy with RB play. Said he and GM Steve Keim will discuss options to add tonight.
Arians not happy with RB play. Said he and GM Steve Keim will discuss options to add tonight.
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I don't see the comparison, can you elaborate please?
badboy
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Dudette is appropriateDude..... it's Grams
banned1976
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He played most of the final regular season game in 2011 after TJ Yates went out. He completed 18 of 28 passes for 211 yards and a TD. The Texans lost that game by a point from a botched 2 point conversion.
My sincere apologies 'dudette'.
And yes, Jake started the last game of the 2011 season against the Titans.
We lost.
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Marshall
Not pretty, but ALIVE!
If we have learned anything about rehabilitation then it is that it is not a precise science and different bodies react differently. Even the same body doesn't react the same way every time. The times are guidelines, not guarantees.
Grams
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Ok, I will grant you the 4 QBs that year - however it was not necessary. We were already in the playoffs and they sat TJ so he would be rested and available for the playoff game. Last year it was necessary to use 4 QBs. OB even got Case his first wins - something Kubiak did not do.
Nobody said it was. But if the doctors clear him, he participates, & they see no ill effects.... it's time.
It was necessary to use 4 QBs because pigheaded OBrien thought he could will Fitzpatrick to a winning record.
Arian Foster & Jj Watt got Case his first win. Something they did not do in 2013. (not necessarily Jj Watt, but the defense did their job at the end of 2014. Not so much at the end of 2013)
infantrycak
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Yeah, if you're going to point to a coaching difference on results for Keenum it would be the other side of the ball - RAC v. Wade.
NastyNate
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Does every thread derail this hard in the offseason? Let's talk about Foster, still not exactly sure of the prognosis. I know the Pat D Stat tweet was misleading, was there a clearer answer for his tweet as to expected recovery? 3 months I'm guessing? So maybe after the bye week? Or was it still optimistic coming back after just a few games?
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Marshall
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It's not that simple. Most times a release has restrictions like the "light duty" often given to blue collar workers as they WORK their way back into shape. They are able to do SOME, but not ALL. The release given my daughter was "good to work and GRADUALLY try additional duties, but STOP when an activity is PAINFUL." It was very flexible and certainly not an on-off switch. It was a rheostat. Return from surgery is likely to be similar. A release to begin practice does NOT indicate ready for the playing field during a meaningful game. It's a step.
EllisUnit
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This is the Texans medical staff we are talking about......Sooooo Foster will be ready Saturday for our first pre season game
Marshall
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I was thinking about people with common sense. Silly me.This is the Texans medical staff we are talking about......Sooooo Foster will be ready Saturday for our first pre season game
Arian Foster fallout: How injury alters Houston Texans, AFC race
Arian Foster suffered the first big injury of the NFL preseason. How big? Well, in the wake of Foster's groin surgery last Friday, I couldn't help but think about the profound ripple effect this injury will have on the Houston Texans -- and frankly, on the AFC as a whole.
Let's take a look at the wide-ranging repercussions of this major news, Schein Nine style:
1) Houston, we (might) have a problem
Back in May, I penned a column stating that 2015 would be the Year of the Texans. I love Bill O'Brien, having voted for him as Coach of the Year last season. The J.J. Watt-led defense can be dominant. The offensive line is stout, and wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins is an emerging stud. With the AFC looking pretty wide open, I wrote that the Texans -- this year's "Hard Knocks" darlings -- were primed to hit the playoffs.
But, obviously, a large portion of my bullishness spawned from Foster's healthy presence in the backfield. Although he's made four of the past five Pro Bowls, Foster probably still doesn't get the widespread attention he deserves as one of the best all-around weapons in the NFL. Since 2010 -- Foster's first full season as a starter -- the Texans' bell-cow back ranks third in the NFL in rushing yards, second in rushing touchdowns and third in receiving touchdowns among RBs. And that's despite missing 16 games over that span. Make no mistake about it: When he's right, Foster's an absolute stud. A guy who cannot be replaced.
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Now, with O'Brien at the helm, the most foolish thing to do would be to count out Houston. And I won't. But honestly, this hurts. Bad. Last week at this time, I thought Houston would surprise people and go 10-6. Is it fair to say that Foster's injury could downgrade the Texans to 9-7 or 8-8? Absolutely. And even if the dip is minor -- i.e., one or two games off my prior 10-6 prediction -- that could be the difference between spending January in the playoffs and spending January watching the playoffs.
Arian Foster suffered the first big injury of the NFL preseason. How big? Well, in the wake of Foster's groin surgery last Friday, I couldn't help but think about the profound ripple effect this injury will have on the Houston Texans -- and frankly, on the AFC as a whole.
Let's take a look at the wide-ranging repercussions of this major news, Schein Nine style:
1) Houston, we (might) have a problem
Back in May, I penned a column stating that 2015 would be the Year of the Texans. I love Bill O'Brien, having voted for him as Coach of the Year last season. The J.J. Watt-led defense can be dominant. The offensive line is stout, and wide receiver DeAndre Hopkins is an emerging stud. With the AFC looking pretty wide open, I wrote that the Texans -- this year's "Hard Knocks" darlings -- were primed to hit the playoffs.
But, obviously, a large portion of my bullishness spawned from Foster's healthy presence in the backfield. Although he's made four of the past five Pro Bowls, Foster probably still doesn't get the widespread attention he deserves as one of the best all-around weapons in the NFL. Since 2010 -- Foster's first full season as a starter -- the Texans' bell-cow back ranks third in the NFL in rushing yards, second in rushing touchdowns and third in receiving touchdowns among RBs. And that's despite missing 16 games over that span. Make no mistake about it: When he's right, Foster's an absolute stud. A guy who cannot be replaced.
Watch out-of-market games
Now, with O'Brien at the helm, the most foolish thing to do would be to count out Houston. And I won't. But honestly, this hurts. Bad. Last week at this time, I thought Houston would surprise people and go 10-6. Is it fair to say that Foster's injury could downgrade the Texans to 9-7 or 8-8? Absolutely. And even if the dip is minor -- i.e., one or two games off my prior 10-6 prediction -- that could be the difference between spending January in the playoffs and spending January watching the playoffs.
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Running back is such a concern to everybody but yet we ignore all options. What if I told you it was possible to sign a guy with Arian Foster's skill set who is still in his prime and would only cost the veteran's minimum to add to this year's roster? He was a pro bowler in three of the past four seasons he played. At the very least he's worth a look and invite to practice. If he doesn't have it anymore than it was an hour used to take a look at him. Move on to the next.
There aren't any free agents currently with Arian Foster's skillset.
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Yeah, and Foster does the team no good always injured.
You do realize Arian Foster's career is nearly over?
I wouldn't be shocked if he's released next off-season.
Going into his final contract year. Is he worth a big re-sign?
Telling me how great he used to be doesn't quite help us right now.
When we are using our fourth RB on the depth chart by Week 5, you'll come around. But by then it may be too late. It's hard to sign free agents and expect them to contribute during the season. You need them in camp now getting into shape and learning the system.
EllisUnit
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Well if my car broke down of course i would rather have a lexus than a geo metro, but then again at that point i would just be happy to have a car.
What does any of this have to do with my response to the question put out?
The idea was proposed that there is a back available with Foster's skill set. I just answered that there is in fact not.
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I'd argue Ray Rice still can do a lot of the same things in terms of receiving out of the backfield. His blocking isn't as good though. For a team with young wide receivers and two quarterbacks with little experience that isn't a bad thing. I know his 2013 stats were disappointing running the ball but they were quite good the previous three seasons. He didn't play in 2014 and got to rest his body. I think he'd have a lot to prove but whatever. Believe it or not, I used to laugh at Baltimore fans when they said he was as good as Foster. Now not so much because our guy is at the tail end of his career also.
That's what I said... though not as drawn out. They release him, allow him to participate... monitor for ill effects (ie pain, swelling, discoloration, etc...) if it's all good, they continue to progress to the next step.
Look, you said recovery time is not an exact science. I said no one said it was. They'll step up his activity watching at each stage for ill effects. When he's ready, he's ready.
Ray Rice is a beast of a blocker. You wouldn't know it by his diminutive stature, but the dude can protect his QB.
However, it looks like the league has black balled him. Regardless what your stance is on punching women, it would be a pretty dick move for an NFL franchise to go against the other owners & sign him.
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The problem is going to be that Alfred Blue and Chris Polk will inevitably get hurt. Their bodies break down way too fast. Both of them are already dealing with nagging injuries in training camp now.
I just hope one or both of them can stay healthy for as long as possible. I could be generous assuming it won't be until Week 5 when we're starting our fourth RB on the depth chart. It would be like you have a car but they keep breaking down beyond repair and you have to buy another "used one."
I already picked up Jonathan Grimes on my Yahoo! Fantasy team because I know he'll be starting pretty early in the regular season when most people in my league don't even know who the heck he is.
Ray Rice could do a lot of the things Arian could do, sure. Still laughable to say he's been as good as Arian.
If Ray Rice was still that good don't you think he would be on a team? Has anyone even brought him in for a workout?
Marshall
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Then we agree and I support your statements, albeit with more words.
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I'm actually surprised that Jerry Jones and the Dallas Cowboys haven't invited him for a workout. Unlike Bob McNair and the Texans, Jerry Jones doesn't mind signing players with a troubled criminal history.
Teams must feel he's already washed up. Either that or the fact that camera filmed him punching his fiancee was just too hard for NFL organizations to move on from.
The sad thing is this was the only major off-the-field incident he's had. I'm sure there are other NFL players who have done many bad things, more than once, and still get numerous chances. Being caught on film changes the dynamics of everything.
If there wasn't a film on that occurrence he'd have never been released by the Ravens. He'd have likely served a small suspension and been back on the field last season. What was his initial suspension before the video surfaced? 4 games, 2 games? I remember it being very small.
Teams must feel he's already washed up. Either that or the fact that camera filmed him punching his fiancee was just too hard for NFL organizations to move on from.
The sad thing is this was the only major off-the-field incident he's had. I'm sure there are other NFL players who have done many bad things, more than once, and still get numerous chances. Being caught on film changes the dynamics of everything.
If there wasn't a film on that occurrence he'd have never been released by the Ravens. He'd have likely served a small suspension and been back on the field last season. What was his initial suspension before the video surfaced? 4 games, 2 games? I remember it being very small.
Nitrofish
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For me, I am not sure the punch had as much impact as the way he drug her around the way he did while she was unconscious. Surely a man that strong could pick her up in his arms, but it was like she was just a duffelbag of dirty jocks or something. That was creepy to me.
NastyNate
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Given the power football run scheme O'Brien wants to run, I'd wager that Kenny Hilliard would have been the much better pickup. And who the heck drafts this early? That league is ridiculous.
infantrycak
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Where and when was this announcement?
NastyNate
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Through common sense and watching the offensive scheme last year.
infantrycak
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In other words it wasn't. It's just wishful thinking. We're running 4 of 5 OLmen picked by Kubiak. Our 1st attempted OL coach was a Ferentz, our 1st actual OL coach came from a ZBS te@team, there's a Ferentz on our team and our new OL coach played for Ferentz and has been a primarily ZBS coach. Call me when we hire Hudson Houck. Oh and the Patriots are not a power run team either, they're primarily zone just like we were last year.
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NastyNate
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Argue all you like, I see what's coming down the pipeline.
infantrycak
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No argument - I've got facts and you've got nada. Thanks for clarifying the latter.
NastyNate
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I didn't say we weren't going to run a form of the ZBS. Look at the linemen we're employing, all bigger bodied. We're going to play this complimentary football game that OB loves. Rely on defense and grind the ball in the 3rd and 4th quarter. I see Hilliard taking on a Laveon Bell type of between the tackles role. We can revisit this in a few months.
Does it pain you to have to always be right? The desire to win every argument seems to cloud your ability to accept new ideas.
infantrycak
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So now you're backing off your original assertion I asked you a question about. This conversation would have been a lot shorter if your answer to that question was 'more power mixed into our zone scheme.' Wouldn't have even been a question if that was the assertion.
And picked by Kubiak for ZBS. Sorry you can't spin that into a shift away from zone.
There's no new idea to it. You just over stated.
CloakNNNdagger
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Some are comparing AP with Rice. And can't understand why AP is accepted by a team and Rice is not. The way I see it, there are enough people out there that could identify with the "whipping" of his boy with a switch and thus be more forgiving (I not being one of them). On the other hand, there would be few that would identify or forgive the cave man tactics Rice demonstrated on his girlfriend/wife. Many teams out there could care less about having a dickwad on their team. But this video being so extensively nationally distributed and replayed in its horror would make it very difficult for any team to overcome the negative PR and fan's disgust as it would even spread to his appearances in games. I'm glad his wife still loves him, because I believe very few others do
Golden Triangle baby... we gotta stick together amongst these city slickers.
#1 I hate it when he's right. But it happens way to often to write it off as coincidence.
Second, I think ZBS is changing. We tried the bigger bodied athletic guys with Capers. It didn't work or s then, but more & more teams have been doing it with better success. New Orleans comes to mind. Ben Jones is a big man & though some don't like him what I have always liied about him is that he moves like Chris Myers, somewhat smaller individual. I had to see the numbers before I was Sure who was who. & when he gets to the second level, he's looking to put somebody on their bum, where Myers was looking to get In someone's way.
Third, Hilliard wont ever be LeVeon Bell. Blue has a better shot at that. Hilliard looks more like a poor man's Eddie George, or Jamal Lewis.
badboy
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Golden Triangle? Isn't that the name of a strip club in Beaumont? I think I drove by it returning from a boat race a few years ago.
Marshall
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I suppose this is true of me.
Proverbs 13:24
Whoever spares the rod hates their children, but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them. I note both motive and care as key components. When we ere, we must repent and not attempt to justify improper action. This is true in both situations. But intolerance of forgiveness of the repentant is the rule of those who used to demand tolerance without repentance from others.
I really don't know how to respond without invoking my religious belief because it IS who I am. I do not compartmentalize these things.
CloakNNNdagger
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As an aside, today, Gurley said that he doesn't know that he'll be ready for week 1 (10 months post ACL [At the time of the Combine: Dr. James Andrews says Todd Gurley’s knee is ahead of schedule
...sound familiar????)...........or week 5.
The problem is that he was already placed on the active roster, despite the fact that he has been able to participate only in individual drills. So if he is to play this season this, he will have to be maintained on the active roster until he is able to play (whenever that might be), or the only other alternative.......IR designated to return. Heck of a way to start a rookie year.. Luckily it is not another Texans-bought worry.
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