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Arian Foster reported to have serious groin injury

Mr teX said:
You think so? I'm on the fence about him....leaning towards him being just OK.
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After watching a few of his college games... bits & pieces throughout the season & the three play off games, I didn't think too much of him. But after watching him last week... I can see him being pretty good. Same with their defense. I know, it was just preseason.. but y'know
 
Until Mariota feels Watt breathing down his jersey he has no clue. You can hear about him but it is an experiential type thing. That does not include the frustration of getting a pass knocked down.

Foster out? JD not playing? Line 'em up and knock 'em down! It's almost football time
 
Playoffs said:
Who's going to be good.
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For Mariota, it's just a question if he can adapt to the pro game, and it looks like he's on his way.

I had wanted to trade away the first pick for Clowney ( if the injury didn't check out that year - and it didn't) in case Mariota came out that year (he didn't).

But that's how much I like him.
 
The question with Mariota for me as it is with all guys like him who run alot in college is will he be enough of a playmaker as just a passer. So much of his heisman campaign and career was about him running & being elusive. And as with RG3 and Manziel before him, you will not be able to run away from guys in the NFL. He'll either get hurt or him being forced to sit in the pocket will take so much away from his game that you'll start to wonder how was this guy even a 1st round talent in the 1st place.
 
Mr teX said:
The question with Mariota for me as it is with all guys like him who run alot in college is will he be enough of a playmaker as just a passer. So much of his heisman campaign and career was about him running & being elusive. And as with RG3 and Manziel before him, you will not be able to run away from guys in the NFL. He'll either get hurt or him being forced to sit in the pocket will take so much away from his game that you'll start to wonder how was this guy even a 1st round talent in the 1st place.
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I would hate to label him a "system QB" but the tempo of the Oregon offense had a lot to do with passing success. Keeping defenses on their heels was helpful. He's going to have a lot of adjustments to make to prepare for NFL speed, so it will be interesting.
 
hradhak said:
I would hate to label him a "system QB" but the tempo of the Oregon offense had a lot to do with passing success. Keeping defenses on their heels was helpful. He's going to have a lot of adjustments to make to prepare for NFL speed, so it will be interesting.
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Well, he's a system QB until he proves he can be successful in another system. Like Schaub & Matt Cassel. They both have played at a high level in a particular system, but outside that system, not so much. Of course Schaub's case may be due to injury...
 
I didn't think much of Mariota, gimmick offense background and everything. I didn't really watch much tape on him during the draft process because I didn't think there was any way he'd fall to us, but after watching him against the Chiefs defense--a really good defense--I could have been wrong. I hate to say it, but the kid looks like he's got really good potential.
 
SOTT: The Road to Recovery for Arian Foster
PATRICK STARR

There has been plenty of guess work on Arian Foster and his injury at the start of training camp. Things are going better than expected with the star running back for the Houston Texans.

Houston Texans running back Arian Foster is aggressively rehabilitating a training camp injury, and could return to the field far sooner than many have guessed. Foster has already been cleared to run, and is aiming to rejoin the team in the first quarter of the season.

Foster sustained an injury during the second week of training camp. Since the injury, there has been much speculation but little actually known about the injury and his status for the upcoming season. Based on multiple reliable and exclusive sources, SOTT can report more specifics.

During practice, Foster tore his groin off the bone, which resulted in an abdominal tear that put things in doubt for the season. Despite national reports that this was a “sports hernia”, Foster had a rupture of his groin that required surgery.

The initial prognosis called for a minimum of three months after diagnosing the injury. However, Foster sought a second opinion from Dr. William C. Meyers at the Viscera Institute, who is a pioneer in the diagnosis, treatment and rehabilitation of core muscle injuries.

Meyers' treatment protocol for injuries like Foster's is well-documented.

Some key highlights of the procedure can be read here, at Philly.com’s Inside the OR.

Key points include:
  • Meyers performs an open procedure in which he exposes the muscle tear and then surgically reattaches the muscle to the pubic bone.
  • Rehabilitation from surgery for core muscle injuries is generally three to eight weeks, but can last longer depending upon the severity of the injury and surgery performed. Typically, patients are expected to be walking one day postoperatively.
  • In the 25 years Meyers has been performing these surgeries, he has reported a 95 to 96 percent success rate.
Foster spent time rehabbing in Philadelphia and was quickly walking after the procedure. After being cleared there, he flew back to Houston prior to the first preseason game to start rehab back at NRG Stadium with team personnel. Head Coach Bill O’Brien acknowledged that Foster was back in Houston rehabbing at the facility.

Foster arrived to training camp in peak physical condition, which has allowed him to get a jumpstart on treating this injury. Nearly one month after surgery, Foster has continued to focus on his core strength.

Most importantly, Arian Foster has been cleared by medical staff to start running (he is entering the third week of running), which opens the door for a potential return for the first quarter of the season. The Texans may not be without their star player for as long as initially feared, which is a relief to Texans coaches and fans.​


As Doc has stated, the key will be live cutting and absorbing hits.
 
Playoffs said:
SOTT: The Road to Recovery for Arian Foster
PATRICK STARR

There has been plenty of guess work on Arian Foster and his injury at the start of training camp. Things are going better than expected with the star running back for the Houston Texans.

Houston Texans running back Arian Foster is aggressively rehabilitating a training camp injury, and could return to the field far sooner than many have guessed. Foster has already been cleared to run, and is aiming to rejoin the team in the first quarter of the season.

Foster sustained an injury during the second week of training camp. Since the injury, there has been much speculation but little actually known about the injury and his status for the upcoming season. Based on multiple reliable and exclusive sources, SOTT can report more specifics.

During practice, Foster tore his groin off the bone, which resulted in an abdominal tear that put things in doubt for the season. Despite national reports that this was a “sports hernia”, Foster had a rupture of his groin that required surgery.

The initial prognosis called for a minimum of three months after diagnosing the injury. However, Foster sought a second opinion from Dr. William C. Meyers at the Viscera Institute, who is a pioneer in the diagnosis, treatment and rehabilitation of core muscle injuries.

Meyers' treatment protocol for injuries like Foster's is well-documented.

Some key highlights of the procedure can be read here, at Philly.com’s Inside the OR.

Key points include:
  • Meyers performs an open procedure in which he exposes the muscle tear and then surgically reattaches the muscle to the pubic bone.
  • Rehabilitation from surgery for core muscle injuries is generally three to eight weeks, but can last longer depending upon the severity of the injury and surgery performed. Typically, patients are expected to be walking one day postoperatively.
  • In the 25 years Meyers has been performing these surgeries, he has reported a 95 to 96 percent success rate.
Foster spent time rehabbing in Philadelphia and was quickly walking after the procedure. After being cleared there, he flew back to Houston prior to the first preseason game to start rehab back at NRG Stadium with team personnel. Head Coach Bill O’Brien acknowledged that Foster was back in Houston rehabbing at the facility.

Foster arrived to training camp in peak physical condition, which has allowed him to get a jumpstart on treating this injury. Nearly one month after surgery, Foster has continued to focus on his core strength.

Most importantly, Arian Foster has been cleared by medical staff to start running (he is entering the third week of running), which opens the door for a potential return for the first quarter of the season. The Texans may not be without their star player for as long as initially feared, which is a relief to Texans coaches and fans.​


As Doc has stated, the key will be live cutting and absorbing hits.
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We have the optimistic report after pessimistic reports. I'll wait for the CND to give us the realistic report after seeing the particulars of the injury.

"Dr. Chao seems to have locked into the "sports hernia" diagnosis, with his 4-6 week return. First of all, most sports hernia rehabs don't see the player return to game situations before 8 weeks without showing noticeable deficits. Dr. Choa has evidently concluded, as many on this board have concluded, that since Foster was evaluated and will be operated on by the nation's foremost "sports hernia" specialist, he must have a sports hernia and will be operated on as such. Well, being very familiar with Dr. William Meyers expertise, I assure you that it extends to all facets and classes of adductor tears/injuries.

Furthermore, the "pulled from the bone" scenario does not preclude that there could be associated additional "sports hernia" disruption (As I related to Playoffs, who included that information in one of his posts)." - CND

"Those "torn from the bone" reports coming from several of the local media still makes me strongly lean towards the major injury being the complete avulsion of the proximal adductor longus muscle tendon from the pubic bone. Until I see otherwise, reattachment with bone anchors is what I would suspect was the treatment. If so, to see Arian Foster in a game in 3-6 weeks would be unrealistic. Eight weeks would still be pretty iffy. Closer to around 12 weeks if you want to give him the best chance to perform, and see him stay on the field for at least awhile." - CDN 8/10
 
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John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
The key for Foster, of course, is when he returns, he's got to stay healthy and avoid soft tittue injuries that have plagued him.

No matter what kind of injury Foster has suffered, it's always recovered and played well. He knows how to rehab.

In the past, when Foster has recovered and he's ready to go, they wait at least another week to avoid aggravating the injury.

Foster has always been a hard worker. I'm told he's working his tail off to recover from surgery. They'll be overly cautious on his return

Last year Foster missed 3 full games and almost all of 2 more and still rushed for more than 1,200 yards and scored 13 TDs. Avg 4.8 a carry

Players have 2 talk at least once weekly. I'm eager 2 hear what Foster says about surgery, rehab and return. Should b interesting.

Once Foster had surgery, Texans knew he wouldn't go on IR designated to return. He hasn't talked to media since injury. Expected 2 this week

Texans always thought Foster wouldn't miss more than 4 games since surgery went well. If he misses 4, it will have been a 2-month recovery​
 
Playoffs said:
John McClain ‏@McClain_on_NFL
The key for Foster, of course, is when he returns, he's got to stay healthy and avoid soft tittue injuries that have plagued him.

No matter what kind of injury Foster has suffered, it's always recovered and played well. He knows how to rehab.

In the past, when Foster has recovered and he's ready to go, they wait at least another week to avoid aggravating the injury.

Foster has always been a hard worker. I'm told he's working his tail off to recover from surgery. They'll be overly cautious on his return

Last year Foster missed 3 full games and almost all of 2 more and still rushed for more than 1,200 yards and scored 13 TDs. Avg 4.8 a carry

Players have 2 talk at least once weekly. I'm eager 2 hear what Foster says about surgery, rehab and return. Should b interesting.

Once Foster had surgery, Texans knew he wouldn't go on IR designated to return. He hasn't talked to media since injury. Expected 2 this week

Texans always thought Foster wouldn't miss more than 4 games since surgery went well. If he misses 4, it will have been a 2-month recovery​
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That's right at that high risk - iffy mark CND spoke of at 8 weeks. It's also the Thursday Night game with the Colts so I can see where the hoped for return time stems. I'd still prefer to wait until after the bye on Monday 11-16 (13 weeks), but I'm cautious by nature when it comes to injuries and high impact sports.
 
Marshall said:
We have the optimistic report after pessimistic reports. I'll wait for the CND to give us the realistic report after seeing the particulars of the injury.

"Dr. Chao seems to have locked into the "sports hernia" diagnosis, with his 4-6 week return. First of all, most sports hernia rehabs don't see the player return to game situations before 8 weeks without showing noticeable deficits. Dr. Choa has evidently concluded, as many on this board have concluded, that since Foster was evaluated and will be operated on by the nation's foremost "sports hernia" specialist, he must have a sports hernia and will be operated on as such. Well, being very familiar with Dr. William Meyers expertise, I assure you that it extends to all facets and classes of adductor tears/injuries.

Furthermore, the "pulled from the bone" scenario does not preclude that there could be associated additional "sports hernia" disruption (As I related to Playoffs, who included that information in one of his posts)." - CND

"Those "torn from the bone" reports coming from several of the local media still makes me strongly lean towards the major injury being the complete avulsion of the proximal adductor longus muscle tendon from the pubic bone. Until I see otherwise, reattachment with bone anchors is what I would suspect was the treatment. If so, to see Arian Foster in a game in 3-6 weeks would be unrealistic. Eight weeks would still be pretty iffy. Closer to around 12 weeks if you want to give him the best chance to perform, and see him stay on the field for at least awhile." - CDN 8/10
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There isn't really any new information that I haven't covered in much earlier posts. The "torn off the bone" is usually used in the classic sense in groin injuries to refer to the adductor muscle. But evidently, the reports have loosely used this term in Foster's case to the rectus muscle (I've offered pics in previous posts to explain the difference). In the case of the adductor, there is significant rubber band retraction of the tendon from its attachment to the bone. With a tear of the rectus near the bone, there is hardly any retraction because so many other surroundiing structures hold it in place despite the tear. Nevertheless, I still give Foster's full rehab to take 2-3 months, with a return showing lesser of performance and greater chance of reinjury (recurrent or compensatory) the closer to the 2 month period he tries to return.

I think at this point, I need to close my book on the subject...........and it has been a book.
 
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CloakNNNdagger said:
There isn't really any new information that I haven't covered in much earlier posts. The "torn off the bone" is usually used in the classic sense in groin injuries to refer to the adductor muscle. But evidently, the reports have loosely used this term in Foster's case to the rectus muscle (I've offered pics in previous posts to explain the difference). In the case of the adductor, there is significant rubber band retraction of the tendon from its attachment to the bone. With a tear of the rectus near the bone, there is hardly any retraction because so many other surroundiing structures hold it in place despite the tear. Nevertheless, I still give Foster's full rehab to take 2-3 months, with a return showing lesser of performance and great chance of reinjury (recurrent or compensatory) the closer to the 2 month period he tries to return.

I think at this point, I need to close my book on the subject...........and it has been a book.
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So Foster could be back in 3 weeks. But atleast 7 weeks would be your recommendation. Wonder when the Texans medical staff will recommend that he comeback?
 
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amazing80 said:
With him saying he had a tube sticking out of his belly for 1-1.5 weeks, does that change anything as far as injury wise for you? Or does that line up with what you thought
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The tube that he was referring to the drain that is left in place after sports hernia surgery in order to avoid blood and/or serous fluid from accumulating within the wound postopereatively...........nothing unusual..
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The tube that he was referring to the drain that is left in place after sports hernia surgery in order to avoid blood and/or serous fluid from accumulating within the wound postopereatively...........nothing unusual..
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Shew... what a relief. I saw CnD was the last poster in this Arian Foster thread. My instincts were telling me not to click. But I couldn't resist.
 
thunderkyss said:
Shew... what a relief. I saw CnD was the last poster in this Arian Foster thread. My instincts were telling me not to click. But I couldn't resist.
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Now just 'cause you see Doc's name at the end of a thread doesn't mean there's bad news.
Cain't be skeerd.
:D
 
If the Texans are 4-0 going into their big showdown with the Colts Week 5 that would be the perfect time for Arian Foster to come back. No need to rush him back after two or three games unless we get off to an 0-3 start. Desperation mode at that point. We wouldn't want our playoff hopes to slip away the first month.
 
ESPN Classic is airing a 2000 SEC game between Mississippi State at LSU right now. Domanick Davis is running wild for LSU. What a beast he used to be. Remember him? I think he changed his last name to Williams. The other night they aired a West Virginia game that showed Steve Slaton dominating.

It makes me appreciate Arian Foster all that much more! His career has at least been long and successful. Not a one or two-year wonder for the Houston Texans. We can survive his injuries. He does his best to work his way back and is still a top five back in the NFL. That's impressive considering he plays the toughest position that has the smallest career lifespan on average.
 
After this year, he's got two good years left in him if he stays healthy, in my opinion. It sure has been fun watching him play the last few years.
 
Vance87 said:
After this year, he's got two good years left in him if he stays healthy, in my opinion. It sure has been fun watching him play the last few years.
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Really depends on how he sees himself. If his ego doesn't get in tue way & embraces a position as a Role player I can see at least another fire years of Arian foster
 
Bulls on Parade said:
ESPN Classic is airing a 2000 SEC game between Mississippi State at LSU right now. Domanick Davis is running wild for LSU. What a beast he used to be. Remember him? I think he changed his last name to Williams. The other night they aired a West Virginia game that showed Steve Slaton dominating.

It makes me appreciate Arian Foster all that much more! His career has at least been long and successful. Not a one or two-year wonder for the Houston Texans. We can survive his injuries. He does his best to work his way back and is still a top five back in the NFL. That's impressive considering he plays the toughest position that has the smallest career lifespan on average.
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Domanick Davis was a beast, one one of my favorite players. A damn knee injury shortened his career, but he was fun to watch.
 
EllisUnit said:
Domanick Davis was a beast, one one of my favorite players. A damn knee injury shortened his career, but he was fun to watch.
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I almost wish you wouldn't have brought up his name because of similarities to someone else on our roster. It all started in December 2005 with a LATERAL MENISCUS TEAR for which he underwent surgery. He made it through the then "OTA period" all the way through TC in 2006. Everyone was hopeful, but with the extra load of game play, there was the reappearance of severe swelling and pain. The Texans medical staff released a statement that he was dealing with a "bone bruise." He was shut down for the 2006 season in hopes of additional healing and rehab time would allow his return to play when fully rehabbed. The problem was that his problem was not a bone bruise. it was due to his prior knee injury/surgery history resulting in "bone on bone." Despite all efforts, Davis never again saw the field.

The lateral meniscus tear (like the one incurred by one of our contemporary players) started the ball rolling........and it was all down hill from there. I will pray that our present player follows a kinder course.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
I almost wish you wouldn't have brought up his name because of similarities to someone else on our roster. It all started in December 2005 with a LATERAL MENISCUS TEAR for which he underwent surgery.
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I Know the procedures procedures fora torn ACL has charged considerably since 2005. Back then, a torn ACL was the kiss of Death, especially for a RB, Like Terrell Davis & Jamal Anderson. Nowadays, not so Much.

Any breakthroughs in Meniscus or Articular cartilage repair? Hare we picked your brain concerning Derrell Revis' Micro fracture surgery?
 
thunderkyss said:
I Know the procedures procedures fora torn ACL has charged considerably since 2005. Back then, a torn ACL was the kiss of Death, especially for a RB, Like Terrell Davis & Jamal Anderson. Nowadays, not so Much.

Any breakthroughs in Meniscus or Articular cartilage repair? Hare we picked your brain concerning Derrell Revis' Micro fracture surgery?
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Not anything we haven't discussed in the context of Clowney. As far as Darelle Revis microfracture surgery and postoperative success, I would not hang my hat in any way on comparing a 5' 11" player that weighs almost 100 pounds less than a 6' 6" Clowney....and plays away from the constant trauma of going against 300+ pounders.
 
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