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Vince Wilfork to Houston - **signed**

mussop said:
...Factor in that there isn't any depth at all at the C position in the draft...
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I agree with this. There are only about 8 or 9 OC's that may be drafted, with maybe two expected to go in the first two rounds. None of the other 6 or 7 were players that captured my attention. I sure wish we would make a serious effort to go after Wisniewski. The fact he hasn't signed yet would seem to indicate that teams are not placing a high value on the position. I believe I read that, at least some, rate him as the second best OC free agent this year. He weighs about 315 pounds but has the athleticism and feet to play in the zone blocking scheme. Seems to be the perfect fit for our team.
 
Number19 said:
I agree with this. There are only about 8 or 9 OC's that may be drafted, with maybe two expected to go in the first two rounds. None of the other 6 or 7 were players that captured my attention. I sure wish we would make a serious effort to go after Wisniewski. The fact he hasn't signed yet would seem to indicate that teams are not placing a high value on the position. I believe I read that, at least some, rate him as the second best OC free agent this year. He weighs about 315 pounds but has the athleticism and feet to play in the zone blocking scheme. Seems to be the perfect fit for our team.
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It's early... teams in the make news with glamour positions right now
 
Number19 said:
I agree with this. There are only about 8 or 9 OC's that may be drafted, with maybe two expected to go in the first two rounds. None of the other 6 or 7 were players that captured my attention. I sure wish we would make a serious effort to go after Wisniewski. The fact he hasn't signed yet would seem to indicate that teams are not placing a high value on the position. I believe I read that, at least some, rate him as the second best OC free agent this year. He weighs about 315 pounds but has the athleticism and feet to play in the zone blocking scheme. Seems to be the perfect fit for our team.
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Longer he is out there the more his price could drop, especially since i haven't heard a lot of teams throwing $$$ his way.
 
I don't think this stuff coming from his agent means anything. It's not directed at the Texans. It's directed at the Patriots and probably more likely the Colts. He's trying to tell them that Houston is in the lead for Vince's services to get them to up their bid but we're getting Orlando Paced on this one I think.

I don't think any of us should get any hopes up over those words.
 
Hervoyel said:
I don't think this stuff coming from his agent means anything. It's not directed at the Texans. It's directed at the Patriots and probably more likely the Colts. He's trying to tell them that Houston is in the lead for Vince's services to get them to up their bid but we're getting Orlando Paced on this one I think.

I don't think any of us should get any hopes up over those words.
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Havent. Been saying he is going to Indy and I am sticking to it.

Maybe try to get Raji on a vet minimum, prove it deal?
 
I always question the heart of older veteran players coming off a SB win and going to a different team the next year. How much does he really have left, how much effort does he want to put forth? I'm getting Ed Reed flashbacks.
 
DX-TEX said:
Havent. Been saying he is going to Indy and I am sticking to it.

Maybe try to get Raji on a vet minimum, prove it deal?
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Raji, who dealt with ankle issues throughout the entire last half of the 2012 season, then had a terrible 2013 season only to try to come back in 2014 when he ruptured his biceps tendon in the 3rd preseason game missing that entire season? That Raji?
 
Vance87 said:
I always question the heart of older veteran players coming off a SB win and going to a different team the next year. How much does he really have left, how much effort does he want to put forth? I'm getting Ed Reed flashbacks.
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Another Ed Reed type situation would be worst case scenario in my opinion. Drive his price up so that Indy has to spend as much as possible to get him.
 
Thorn said:
His first name is Vince, don't want him.
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You're mistaken old man, it's not vincent

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El Tejano said:
Sounds like the only element that isn't appealing is the money part.
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Gotta pay to play,

Otherwise Wilfork is a Colt,

2 yrs 16 mil is as far as I would go.

Otherwise Pickett after game 2 and X, Williams makes a lot of sense Hopefully between Pickett/Nix/Williams the middle will be held down. If Rick/Gaine/BOB/RAC got it right NT shouldn't be an issue. Time to fill the LB/WR spots in the draft.

Rd.1 Dupree
Rd.2 Dorsett
Rd. 3 Heeney
 
Hervoyel said:
I don't think this stuff coming from his agent means anything. It's not directed at the Texans. It's directed at the Patriots and probably more likely the Colts. He's trying to tell them that Houston is in the lead for Vince's services to get them to up their bid but we're getting Orlando Paced on this one I think.

I don't think any of us should get any hopes up over those words.
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^^^^
This

And if the Texans aren't willing to ay him above market they should move on to Wisniewski and draft a NT plus re-sign Pickett. This doesn't have to be a high rd pick. The key is knowing when to move on Rick.
 
HouTx11 said:
Another Ed Reed type situation would be worst case scenario in my opinion. Drive his price up so that Indy has to spend as much as possible to get him.
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Ed Reed is a cautionary tale. Not a commitment to paralysis.

Wilfork plays 3/4 of the plays on a championship team last year at a position that ages well with big men. The same could not be said of Ed Reed. My only concern is if they moved him out of NT too much and into a position which doesn't age well or if HE has a history of injury.

Power ages better than speed and quickness.
 
Hervoyel said:
I don't think this stuff coming from his agent means anything. It's not directed at the Texans. It's directed at the Patriots and probably more likely the Colts. He's trying to tell them that Houston is in the lead for Vince's services to get them to up their bid but we're getting Orlando Paced on this one I think.

I don't think any of us should get any hopes up over those words.
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I think you're right.
 
Hervoyel said:
I don't think this stuff coming from his agent means anything. It's not directed at the Texans. It's directed at the Patriots and probably more likely the Colts. He's trying to tell them that Houston is in the lead for Vince's services to get them to up their bid but we're getting Orlando Paced on this one I think. I don't think any of us should get any hopes up over those words.
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I agree, this is exactly what is happening. He isn't coming here under any circumstances
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Raji, who dealt with ankle issues throughout the entire last half of the 2012 season, then had a terrible 2013 season only to try to come back in 2014 when he ruptured his biceps tendon in the 3rd preseason game missing that entire season? That Raji?
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Yes it would be taking a chance on a guy who has had a rough couple of years but Raji isn't a bum and he's younger than Wilfork. I think it might be worth meeting with him and seeing what's up. Like he said a "prove it" deal with some incentives. When Raji was healthy he was very good. Maybe not great, certainly not Wilfork great but he was better than anything we have. His agent is swearing up and down that he's stronger than he's ever been but then agents also tell you things like "Vince belongs in Houston" so I understand the hesitation.

Alternative is draft another puppy? Sign the guys we had last year or "rinse and repeat"? Go find somebody else I guess. I don't think there are too many big ol' fat guys out there without question marks at this point. I'd at least like to see he Texans investigating the Raji situation.
 
steelbtexan said:
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This

And if the Texans aren't willing to ay him above market they should move on to Wisniewski and draft a NT plus re-sign Pickett. This doesn't have to be a high rd pick. The key is knowing when to move on Brian.
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It's so cute watching you shift blame/credit to suit your agenda.

Truth is we don't know if it is move on Rick, Brian or Bill.

Same thing I pointed out under Smithiak and you took as a defence of both Smith and Kubiak. It is and was just a statement of fact.
 
steelbtexan said:
^^^^
This

And if the Texans aren't willing to ay him above market they should move on to Wisniewski and draft a NT plus re-sign Pickett. This doesn't have to be a high rd pick. The key is knowing when to move on Rick.
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agreed
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fill that hole that was created at center, see if we can get another good year out of Pickett, (while hoping he can help Nix develop) and move on from Wilfolk.
 
This has last big payout all over it kinda, like never play a, down type move or get injured or have like off season surgery type deal ed reed type deal. I say no on wilfork unless he wants vet min
 
infantrycak said:
It's so cute watching you shift blame/credit to suit your agenda.

Truth is we don't know if it is move on Rick, Brian or Bill.

Same thing I pointed out under Smithiak and you took as a defence of both Smith and Kubiak. It is and was just a statement of fact.
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Nope, you typing up this kind of BS is what's cute. Thanks for the LOL.

There's a new sheriff in town that's going to be better/do things differently than the old sheriff. Some people apparently are having a hard time with that.
 
TEXANRED said:
I love how Indy is going after a bunch of old players that are past their prime. Irsay is turning into Dan Snyder.
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HUGE DIFFERENCE! What Isray is doing is brilliant. He already has a team that made it to the championship game. He has a ton of cap space because his young QB is on a rookie deal. He is filling in holes with complementary pieces with experience.

Dan Snyder tried to build a crappy team up out of expensive free agents. Indy has closed the gap between themselves and the patriots. They are now more legitamate than they were last year.
 
DX-TEX said:
Well they didn't fix that shitty O line. So he has that going for him
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That shitty OL that got them deep into the playoffs last year? There still is plenty of time left in this offseason for them to make even more improvements. Not to mention their pockets are still plenty deep. Hate all you want but they have the best young QB in the game and now they are putting talent all around him. They will be formidable.
 
mussop said:
That shitty OL that got them deep into the playoffs last year? There still is plenty of time left in this offseason for them to make even more improvements. Not to mention their pockets are still plenty deep. Hate all you want but they have the best young QB in the game and now they are putting talent all around him. They will be formidable.
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They got into the playoffs because they played the weakest schedule during the season. Then got lucky by playing Andy Dalton and a seriously gimped Manning. Look what happened when they played the Patriots.

And yet they have not addressed their two biggest weaknesses form last season: rush defense and offensive line.

They basically made an already strength stronger and just ignored their issues.
 
We have no idea how these signings for the Colts are going to turn out, the Eagles did this a few seasons back and flopped. The Colts could flop just as Easy. We were right on their heels last season. I bet we are stride for stride if not ahead this upcoming season.
 
EllisUnit said:
We have no idea how these signings for the Colts are going to turn out, the Eagles did this a few seasons back and flopped. The Colts could flop just as Easy. We were right on their heels last season. I bet we are stride for stride if not ahead this upcoming season.
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Well, look at you! Sounding a little more positive, are you?

Congrats. :)
 
TheMatrix31 said:
Or pull some surprise trick play bullshit.
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I seriously can't believe you are still harping on an offsides kick when they were up 7-0 and think that was the reason they won. You hold strange grudges. Maybe we shouldn't have lined up with the front line 15 yards back against the dude who forced the most touchbacks on kickoffs.
 
TheIronDuke said:
I seriously can't believe you are still harping on an offsides kick when they were up 7-0 and think that was the reason they won. You hold strange grudges. Maybe we shouldn't have lined up with the front line 15 yards back against the dude who forced the most touchbacks on kickoffs.
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No That loss goes to us losing Fitz, and then Savage getting hurt a few plays later. when your punter is warming up to come in at QB you can't expect to win to many games.
 
mussop said:
HUGE DIFFERENCE! What Isray is doing is brilliant. He already has a team that made it to the championship game. He has a ton of cap space because his young QB is on a rookie deal. He is filling in holes with complementary pieces with experience.

Dan Snyder tried to build a crappy team up out of expensive free agents. Indy has closed the gap between themselves and the patriots. They are now more legitamate than they were last year.
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Irsay is also extremely lucky to go from Manning to being 1st in the draft when one of the best prospects in years at QB was coming out of college. If Rick Smith would have had Luck available last year when we picked first he'd probably look pretty smart in a couple of years as well.
 
mussop said:
That shitty OL that got them deep into the playoffs last year? There still is plenty of time left in this offseason for them to make even more improvements. Not to mention their pockets are still plenty deep. Hate all you want but they have the best young QB in the game and now they are putting talent all around him. They will be formidable.
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The pocket is pretty deep because thier oline is the best in the NFL at tackling.
 
DX-TEX said:
They got into the playoffs because they played the weakest schedule during the season. Then got lucky by playing Andy Dalton and a seriously gimped Manning. Look what happened when they played the Patriots.



And yet they have not addressed their two biggest weaknesses form last season: rush defense and offensive line.



They basically made an already strength stronger and just ignored their issues.
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That's exactly what I've been saying! Colts are one of the dumbest, but luckiest, teams in the league!
 
TheIronDuke said:
I seriously can't believe you are still harping on an offsides kick when they were up 7-0 and think that was the reason they won. You hold strange grudges. Maybe we shouldn't have lined up with the front line 15 yards back against the dude who forced the most touchbacks on kickoffs.
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You should rewatch that game. They were up 7-0 and that kick absolutely destroyed any chance we had because it gave them that rolling momentum and if I remember correctly, they went up 24-0.

It took JJ Watt's GOD-like effort to make that game even competitive again and somehow, some way we only lost by 5.

It was an absolutely disastrous play, and an absolutely embarrassing one. And to think it came from a team that supposedly was way better prepared for games this year. And not only that, the very next play after the onside kick, they threw it deep for a 50 yard TD which makes it even worse because they were also disgustingly unprepared for THAT too. A catastrophic lapse. Just like the lapses in the Dallas game. Just like the lapse in the Pittsburgh game.

It was a big, big, big failure and completely changed that game. Like it or not, plays in the first quarter matter a LOT. Individual plays matter A LOT. And it's very utopian to just say "oh, you should overcome it" but you know what? Sometimes, they're just *that* devastating. Just like Jones' muffed punt in the Ravens game.

It was a massive deal.

And my point was that it took them a surprise onside kick in one game and injuring two quarterbacks in the other to win the division over us, and that's not including the aforementioned Dallas failure or Pittsburgh failure, or the Bengals/Mallett debacle. This division shouldn't have even been close. The Colts were unbelievably beatable in 2014 and we let 'em off the hook.
 
TheMatrix31 said:
You should rewatch that game. They were up 7-0 and that kick absolutely destroyed any chance we had because it gave them that rolling momentum and if I remember correctly, they went up 24-0.

It took JJ Watt's GOD-like effort to make that game even competitive again and somehow, some way we only lost by 5.

It was an absolutely disastrous play, and an absolutely embarrassing one. And to think it came from a team that supposedly was way better prepared for games this year. And not only that, the very next play after the onside kick, they threw it deep for a 50 yard TD which makes it even worse because they were also disgustingly unprepared for THAT too. A catastrophic lapse. Just like the lapses in the Dallas game. Just like the lapse in the Pittsburgh game.

It was a big, big, big failure and completely changed that game. Like it or not, plays in the first quarter matter a LOT. Individual plays matter A LOT. And it's very utopian to just say "oh, you should overcome it" but you know what? Sometimes, they're just *that* devastating. Just like Jones' muffed punt in the Ravens game.

It was a massive deal.

And my point was that it took them a surprise onside kick in one game and injuring two quarterbacks in the other to win the division over us, and that's not including the aforementioned Dallas failure or Pittsburgh failure, or the Bengals/Mallett debacle. This division shouldn't have even been close. The Colts were unbelievably beatable in 2014 and we let 'em off the hook.
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I hear what you're saying with this entire post. for the most part you are correct, other then the end by saying that the division shouldn't have been close. That is an exaggeration. We should have won the division though. We had so many losses that happened due to a fumble at the end of the game and Pitt/Dallas loss. But hey, that is football. We also won several games at the tail end as well, so we got lucky in several as well. It went both ways for us. I think the fact that we weren't getting blown out in games and were winning the games we were supposed to win was a good sign though. I don't ever recall watching a game where the Texans looked flat out like they didn't come to play. UNder Kubiak I saw that all of the time. Last season, Fitzpatrick at QB did us in, along with the injuries to the other QB's. The Colts had Luck who is an elite QB now, so we've got to bridge that gap if we are going to expect to compete with them in the future.
 
TheIronDuke said:
I seriously can't believe you are still harping on an offsides kick when they were up 7-0 and think that was the reason they won. You hold strange grudges. Maybe we shouldn't have lined up with the front line 15 yards back against the dude who forced the most touchbacks on kickoffs.
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What's an offside kick? :kitten:
 
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