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Ryan Mallett

EllisUnit

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It's not like they can see the muscles dangling from the bone. Kid hadn't thrown that many times in such a short period they probably thought it was "regular" soreness. He probably told them it was worse today so they're going to do the MRI to see what they are dealing with.

The only thing they've got to go by is what Mallett tells them.
Yep and after 3 seasons of waiting for his shot i'm sure he played it off to be nothing major.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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It's not like they can see the muscles dangling from the bone. Kid hadn't thrown that many times in such a short period they probably thought it was "regular" soreness. He probably told them it was worse today so they're going to do the MRI to see what they are dealing with.

The only thing they've got to go by is what Mallett tells them.
If they thought it was "regular" soreness, he would not have been placed on the Injury Report. To have ended up on the Injury Report, there would have had to have been both subjective complaints supported by physical findings.
 

Runner

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So if Mallet is out the rest of the season, the Texans have just the Browns game to evaluate him playing uninjured. That isn't much data to determine if they need to draft a quarterback next year.
 

Norg

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So if Mallet is out the rest of the season, the Texans have just the Browns game to evaluate him playing uninjured. That isn't much data to determine if they need to draft a quarterback next year.
I think we need to draft one regardless
 

Brisco_County

Apples and roadmaps
What I'm wondering is why he is even injured. He wasn't hit during the Browns game. And if it's a non-contact injury, does that mean it's always a looming risk? Or was it due to over training?
 

Tolar's Ghost

Waterboy
Let's see...

With the Texans down a QB, they'll need to sign one.

Keenum, on the Rams' practice squad, could be signed to another team's regular roster (if he agreed)...

Sorry. Got carried away.
 

Speedy

Former Yeller Dweller
It's a curse. The football gods have cursed us and there's nothing we can do about it. First we endure decades of Bud Adams, then we get the Texans which nobody liked the name at first, and now we find it doesn't matter who our QB is, he will be injured soon enough.

I give up. The universe should implode right now. We all suck in hell and it's not even December yet. :pissed:
Gotta tear down the Dome. That's the curse.
 

Corrosion

Idealist
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It's a curse. The football gods have cursed us and there's nothing we can do about it. First we endure decades of Bud Adams, then we get the Texans which nobody liked the name at first, and now we find it doesn't matter who our QB is, he will be injured soon enough.

I give up. The universe should implode right now. We all suck in hell and it's not even December yet. :pissed:
I think Buck Fud sold the city's sports soul to the devil for those AFC championships in 61 & 62 .... we've suffered ever since.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 8h 8 hours ago

That's like sending Randy Bullock out there to kick FG after FG although you knew he had a broke foot & surprised he misses (hypothetical)
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 8h 8 hours ago

I don't think I'm conveying how poor of a decision this was on O'Brien's behalf. Pec injury on throwing arm, obviously affecting the QB play
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 8h 8 hours ago

...OB stuck with QB that was obviously struggling (21-45 passing) in a must win game & unlike viewing public, knew of injury, limitations.
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 8h 8 hours ago

Heard Mallett was getting treatment last week on right side, didn't know severity or specifics. O'Brien knew both. CONT'D...
 

thunderkyss

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Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock · 8h 8 hours ago

Heard Mallett was getting treatment last week on right side, didn't know severity or specifics. O'Brien knew both. CONT'D...
What is the most they could have known without an MRI? I think you provided a quote last night saying he was able to clench his fist... I don't know what that can prove concerning a pectoral injury. But I'm sure they went through range of motion exercises & maybe some strength tests to determine the severity.

If you were examining him & he was able to do everything you asked to your satisfaction, with some wincing... how would you "grade" this injury?

Same thing with Arian, when they said an MRI was not needed, I figured they just didn't want to know the extent of the injury.
 

TexansBull

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So if Mallet is out the rest of the season, the Texans have just the Browns game to evaluate him playing uninjured. That isn't much data to determine if they need to draft a quarterback next year.

We are a similar situation as the Browns were last year too. They had Hoyer and drafted Manziel as insurance.


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TexansBull

Hall of Fame
What is the most they could have known without an MRI? I think you provided a quote last night saying he was able to clench his fist... I don't know what that can prove concerning a pectoral injury. But I'm sure they went through range of motion exercises & maybe some strength tests to determine the severity.



If you were examining him & he was able to do everything you asked to your satisfaction, with some wincing... how would you "grade" this injury?



Same thing with Arian, when they said an MRI was not needed, I figured they just didn't want to know the extent of the injury.

The medical staff is crap. There isn't an impartial doctor to say he shouldn't play? Or to get the MRI before the game too know the extent of the injury?


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CloakNNNdagger

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Mallett was rather hard on himself after Sunday's game. According to The Associated Press (via ESPN.com), he felt his throwing accuracy was nowhere near good enough: "I didn't play well. I couldn't hit the broad side of the barn from 5 yards away."
[URL="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2278069-ryan-mallett-injury-updates-on-texans-qbs-pectoral-and-return"]link[/URL]

As an aside, Mallet threw quite a few passes high........it takes the pec muscle to bring the arm down. If you're trying to avoid using the pec due to pain, your going to try to use mostly your at-the-elbow triceps action (or even twisting and using your entire body for that extra "oomph") to complete your passes.......leading to high flying passes and overall inaccuracies we witnessed yesterday..
 
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humblegeo

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If the guy can't play one game without getting hurt them he's not going to work out. Experiment done! What, Fitzpatrick played 9 games still ready to go, taking sacks, hard hits, running the ball and not sliding down, tough guy. Time to start working Savage into the lineup and rebuild for next year.
 

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Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock
That's like sending Randy Bullock out there to kick FG after FG although you knew he had a broke foot & surprised he misses (hypothetical)
Jayson Braddock @JaysonBraddock
I don't think I'm conveying how poor of a decision this was on O'Brien's behalf. Pec injury on throwing arm, obviously affecting the QB play
Since day 1, O'Brien has regularly stated he doesn't understand all the medical stuff. He leaves that to the doctors, medical staff. Every time it comes up, that's how he handles it. "That's up to Kap."

Sounds like JB's source inside the training room who has been leaking medical information all season is trying to cover somebody's azz. Time for an overhaul in Texans' medical/training staff, imo. Too many documented bad decisions coming from those people.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Ian Rapoport @RapSheet · 11h 11 hours ago

#Texans QB Ryan Mallett played thru a potentially torn pectoral muscle today, per source. The injury occurred pregame, may end his season
We know he injured it last week and didn't rest it....... "pregame" might be referring to the fact that he extended the injury further in pregame warm ups?.....then certainly progressively extended it throughout the the Bengal game. Simple observation of his play along with physical examination of his pec on the sideline (with or without his subjective truthfullness) could not have missed the problem. The way he was playing and wincing despite his "medications," the injury was evidently significant and should have been readily diagnosable by the training and medical staff.

This is starting to smell like an RGIII scenario.
 

bah007

Hall of Fame
[URL="http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2278069-ryan-mallett-injury-updates-on-texans-qbs-pectoral-and-return"]link[/URL]

As an aside, Mallet threw quite a few passes high........it takes the pec muscle to bring the arm down. If you're trying to avoid using the pec due to pain, your going to try to use mostly your at-the-elbow triceps action (or even twisting and using your entire body for that extra "oomph") to complete your passes.......leading to high flying passes and overall inaccuracies we witnessed yesterday..
Doc, the above makes sense to me as to why he was missing high all day. But if this were the case, wouldn't his throws have had a little less juice on them as well?

He was still throwing missiles all day. And while I know his arm is strong as all hell, I would have to believe that a pec injury of this degree would limit his ability to fire the ball as well as he did, right?
 

CloakNNNdagger

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What is the most they could have known without an MRI? I think you provided a quote last night saying he was able to clench his fist... I don't know what that can prove concerning a pectoral injury. But I'm sure they went through range of motion exercises & maybe some strength tests to determine the severity.

If you were examining him & he was able to do everything you asked to your satisfaction, with some wincing... how would you "grade" this injury?

Same thing with Arian, when they said an MRI was not needed, I figured they just didn't want to know the extent of the injury.
I'm not remembering any "clench his fist" that I posted. This would have nothing to do with a pec injury.

And as far as them doing "everything you asked to your satisfaction with some wincing," I would not have to grade the injury because even Grade I deserves no return to action while there are still ongoing signs and/or symptoms.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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Doc, the above makes sense to me as to why he was missing high all day. But if this were the case, wouldn't his throws have had a little less juice on them as well?

He was still throwing missiles all day. And while I know his arm is strong as all hell, I would have to believe that a pec injury of this degree would limit his ability to fire the ball as well as he did, right?
His missiles would have still come from an evidently extremely strong triceps.
 

HOU-TEX

Ah, Football!
So if Mallet is out the rest of the season, the Texans have just the Browns game to evaluate him playing uninjured. That isn't much data to determine if they need to draft a quarterback next year.
Yup, this will leave them no choice but to make moves to secure the QB of the future. It'll be interesting to see what they do, considering our draft position when the season ends. I don't think we'll suck enough for the duck, so what'll we do?
 

Playoffs

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What if this is it for Mallett?

What if this is a recurring weakness he has where his pectoral just can't hold up?

What if all he ever gets is the Cleveland game?

Footballs bounce funny ways. (Apologies for the dark thoughts.)
 

PapaL

Loose Screw
Yup, this will leave them no choice but to make moves to secure the QB of the future. It'll be interesting to see what they do, considering our draft position when the season ends. I don't think we'll suck enough for the duck, so what'll we do?
I think we'll get Mallet on the cheap and it'll be a competition between him and Savage next year with some other rookie QB learning the ropes. I don't think we force the pick. We have too many needs.
 
I think we'll get Mallet on the cheap and it'll be a competition between him and Savage next year with some other rookie QB learning the ropes. I don't think we force the pick. We have too many needs.
I agree. Probably the only upside is other teams don't have enough data on him either, so a big contract most likely won't go his way in 2015.
 

CloakNNNdagger

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What is the most they could have known without an MRI? I think you provided a quote last night saying he was able to clench his fist... I don't know what that can prove concerning a pectoral injury. But I'm sure they went through range of motion exercises & maybe some strength tests to determine the severity.

If you were examining him & he was able to do everything you asked to your satisfaction, with some wincing... how would you "grade" this injury?

Same thing with Arian, when they said an MRI was not needed, I figured they just didn't want to know the extent of the injury.
I'm not remembering any "clench his fist" that I posted. This would have nothing to do with a pec injury.

And as far as them doing "everything you asked to your satisfaction with some wincing," I would not have to grade the injury because even Grade I deserves no return to action while there are still ongoing signs and/or symptoms.
I didn't remember posting the "fist" comment because it wasn't mine, it was posted by Playoffs re. a McClain tweet.:

John McClain @McClain_on_NFL
Mallett suffered the pectoral injury at Cleveland. He was on injury report with a chest injury as probable and didn't miss a down.

Mallett is one tough SOB to play with an injury to a pectoral muscle, especially on the right side, which is his throwing side.

If the MRI shows a tear in Mallett's pectoral muscle, he could miss several games. The bottom line is that Ryan Fitzpatrick is likely back.

Mallett underwent treatment a long time after the game, and when he was asked if he was hurt, he flexed his right hand and said no.

Mallett played hurt through the game, which explains why he was so off target compared to the win at Cleveland.

Mallett played with an injury to his right pectoral muscle, will undergo an MRI and could be lost for several weeks.
This is the more complete background to the "fist" tweet. (presented by McClain in this morning's Chronicle):

Mallett’s performance against Cincinnati bore no resemblance to the quarterback who had a terrific game in last week’s 23-7 victory over the Browns, when he threw two touchdown passes and displayed pinpoint accuracy.

Against the Bengals, Mallett was 21-of-45 for 189 yards and no touchdowns. He suffered one interception and had a rating of 49.2.

After the game, Mallett spent a long time in treatment. When he met the media, his right hand was in his pocket. When he was asked if he’d injured his hand, he pulled it out, flexed it and said no.

“My hand’s OK,” Mallett said.
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Double Barrel

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It's a curse. The football gods have cursed us and there's nothing we can do about it. First we endure decades of Bud Adams, then we get the Texans which nobody liked the name at first, and now we find it doesn't matter who our QB is, he will be injured soon enough.

I give up. The universe should implode right now. We all suck in hell and it's not even December yet. :pissed:
Gotta tear down the Dome. That's the curse.
lol! I was going to say the same thing to Thorn about the curse of the 'dome. :voodoo:

Astros and Oilers(Titans) leave it and finally make it to championships. Only the Curse of Bud and Curse of Drayton held them back at that point.

But the 'dome's poison is still seeping into Texansland, oozing out like a broken septic tank. 9 QBs starting in 13 seasons and no hope in sight.

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Just say you don't like the guy, never did and want him gone because the above is monumentally ignorant sounding.
This is why the forum > talk radio. You can respond to nonsense in here. :choke:
 

dtran04

Veteran
Damn. Lost a draft pick for 2 games. Hopefully they built enough goodwill that he signs in the off-season for cheap.
 

The Pencil Neck

Hall of Fame
awe, man. That's what I get for attempting to be optimistic for a week. :gun:
That is exactly how I feel.

I hear that Mallett's getting his shot and I'm excited. He comes and and we win and my hopes for the season go from .500 to actually making some noise in the playoffs.

Now, I'm back to just hoping we can find a way to get to 6-10.

I'm just freaking crushed right now.
 

Double Barrel

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That is exactly how I feel.

I hear that Mallett's getting his shot and I'm excited. He comes and and we win and my hopes for the season go from .500 to actually making some noise in the playoffs.

Now, I'm back to just hoping we can find a way to get to 6-10.

I'm just freaking crushed right now.
yep, shared misery, my friend. I rarely let myself get carried away with stuff like that, but man, I had some fantastic delusions of grandeur in my daydreaming last week. Like maybe, just maybe, we get that lightning in a bottle and Houston football fans are having candy and nuts for Christmas instead of the usual ifs and buts.

I don't wanna' think about the off-season in November!!! But, that's pretty much where we're at, and staring at the worst possible and biggest hole a team can have: starting QB. And until they have that problem figured out, it makes it tough to be optimistic for the future.

If it weren't for bad luck, the Texans might not have any.
Houston gets bad luck and Indy gets the good Luck. :mad:
 

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Tania Ganguli ‏@taniaganguli
Seems like @Ryan_Mallett_15 didn't share with teammates what he was going through physically. They're impressed with his toughness. #Texans

Per @MarkBermanFox26 and @McClain_on_NFL, Ryan Mallett will have surgery for a torn pec and his season is over. #Texans
 

The1ApplePie

Hall of Fame
Not sure if this is worse than what happened to Leinart. He was set for a career resurrection, then boom, freak injury. Mallet's career never got off the ground.
 

Vance87

All Pro
Un freaking believable. What god did we piss off?

So Doc, if he's having surgery, does that mean it's a Grade 3 tear? And what will that mean for his arm strength?
 

TD

Super Bowl Mascot
yep, shared misery, my friend. I rarely let myself get carried away with stuff like that, but man, I had some fantastic delusions of grandeur in my daydreaming last week. Like maybe, just maybe, we get that lightning in a bottle and Houston football fans are having candy and nuts for Christmas instead of the usual ifs and buts.
Me too. Something about Mallett just made me confident looking at him (and I am never confident). The guy has a presence about him I can't explain.

And as stupid as it sounds, I'm still not convinced we don't have our QB for the future. :shots:
 

hobie

All Pro
Not getting bent over this.. next man up..whomever it may be. It is what it is, that's the NFL. Does it bother me that Mallett is done, not at all. The year was going better than last, but don't kid yourself if you think this team was playoff caliber, as they are not. Hoped for good things with the kid, but that isn't going to happen, so time to move forward and see what happens.

It's ok people, the sky is not falling!!
 

IDEXAN

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Dammit that really sucks ! What a shame for the young man from Texarkana.
He's probably incredibly upset, depressed right now and I hope he's got some family, maybe his parents close by to help him deal with this because it's gotta be traumatic for him right now.
 

infantrycak

Hall of Fame
Me too. Something about Mallett just made me confident looking at him (and I am never confident). The guy has a presence about him I can't explain.

And as stupid as it sounds, I'm still not convinced we don't have our QB for the future. :shots:
Add me in. But we will have to basically ignore his existence in the offseason.
 

Runner

Hubcap Diamond
Staff member
I haven't given up on Mallet either. The very short evaluation period is not going to make next year's draft planning any easier though.
 

PapaL

Loose Screw
OMG - I just noticed there isn't a thread on Mallet being injured. Maybe we should open like four of them.

Mallet - Injured
Mallet's injury; what did we know and when?
How long will Mallet be out?
He's a BEAST, he don't need no stink pec!
 

CloakNNNdagger

Hall of Fame
Un freaking believable. What god did we piss off?

So Doc, if he's having surgery, does that mean it's a Grade 3 tear? And what will that mean for his arm strength?
Patients with very high-grade II or complete grade III tears of the humeral (upper arm bone) insertion [pectoralis major muscle tendon attachment to the bone] or musculotendinous junction [pectoralis major muscle tendon attachment to the muscle] diagnosed both by clinical examination and by MRI are typically treated surgically in an elite athlete.



It may seem somewhat strange to say, but the fact that he requires surgery makes his prognosis very good for return to pre-injury status vs. if he would have sustained a lesser Grade II, which is usually treated nonsurgically and, as opposed to surgical repair, has a significant re-tear rate.

Immobilization is followed by passive then active range of motion exercises from 4 to 8 weeks. Next, light resistance and strengthening exercises are indicated for about 4 weeks before light weight lifting can begin, usually not earlier than 3 to 4 months postoperatively, with a subsequent return to unrestricted activity at about 6 months postoperatively.

To give you an idea, reviews of the modern literature reveals overall surgical outcomes are excellent 90% of the time compared with 17% of nonsurgical patients who had excellent outcomes.the majority of the patients return to their previous performance levels within 4 to 12 months.
 

TheMatrix31

Hall of Fame
I just can't believe they sent him out there knowing and he went out there knowing and he failed miserably and they didn't do anything about it and it got worse and everyone's treating him as a warrior for it. You're only a warrior if you play through pain and don't screw your team up in the process or even lead them to victory.

Absolute detriment to the team and we let him stay. This team could have very well been 6-5 going into games against Jacksonville and Tennessee.

Despicable. I hate this guy and I hate Bill O'Brien and the rest of those responsible for the decision to send him out there.

Utterly criminal.
 
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