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All Encompassing Andre Johnson Thread (Just got some disturbing news about A Johnson)

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Brisco_County said:
He feels that being cooperative over the years hasn't resulted in a fulfilling career, so he's trying his hand at hardball. I don't fault him too much for trying, but it's really not his game. If he had the sense for it, he'd know that it's too late to change his current course. He'll figure it out eventually. I expect to see him in a Texans uniform this year.

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You're right. That's probably what the issue is. But, here's the thing: that's what agents are for.

Me and a buddy were discussing the Astros signing Singleton to a long term contract. I think the Astros got a fantastic deal, and locked up a good player for the long term.

My friend agreed, but then said, "But, I think the Astros should have paid him more. If he gets really good later, that'll make him bitter that he's not making as much as he could."

My response: "Bull---t. That's what agents are paid for. If he feels he's underpaid later, that's his fault."
 
**** AJ. I root for the team, not individual players. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. AJ is not above the team. I don't care how good of a player he is. If he's going to miss TC, his performance is going to suffer.

I don't believe this BS that AJ will somehow qiuckly pick this new system up. He's behind the team, and as a result, he's just hurting the team. His teammates were working their asses off, and this jackass thinks he's above the team.
 
CretorFrigg said:
**** AJ. I root for the team, not individual players. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. AJ is not above the team. I don't care how good of a player he is. If he's going to miss TC, his performance is going to suffer.

I don't believe this BS that AJ will somehow qiuckly pick this new system up. He's behind the team, and as a result, he's just hurting the team. His teammates were working their asses off, and this jackass thinks he's above the team.
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If this system is as complicated as people are saying, no way can someone come in and pick it up within a few weeks. I've seen interviews with veteran Texans players, and when they've been asked about this system, they look dazed and confused.

The impression I get is that this offense is no joke.
 
houstonspartan said:
If this system is as complicated as people are saying, no way can someone come in and pick it up within a few weeks. I've seen interviews with veteran Texans players, and when they've been asked about this system, they look dazed and confused.

The impression I get is that this offense is no joke.
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If it's that comparable to NEs, remember Chad Johnson couldn't even pick it up
 
HOU-TEX said:
So, not giving in to an employees demand for money not earned is bad business?

I presume you don't own or manage a business. Unless it's the one with the for sale sign in the window.

'Bottom line', you're wrong
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rather im right or wrong does not matter if I was the Texans organization I would want Andre Johnson on my team cus that would give my team the best chance to get W's

I would make a special case for andre just this one time for him to come back into the fold and accept his little offer of earning it back that would be cool with me


what I wouldnt want to do is piss him off more and throw more fuel into the fire
 
Norg said:
rather im right or wrong does not matter if I was the Texans organization I would want Andre Johnson on my team cus that would give my team the best chance to get W's

I would make a special case for andre just this one time for him to come back into the fold and accept his little offer of earning it back that would be cool with me


what I wouldnt want to do is piss him off more and throw more fuel into the fire
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Somehow I have a problem accepting that as the only problem between AJ and the FO.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
It is likely that AJ will have begun his career with the Texans with poor advisement........and ended it with even worse.
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Cloak,

Very true. The way Andre's people have handled this is mind-boggling. It seems like they tried to hold out, thinking that they would get offers from other teams, even going so far as to give up $1 million. I'm guessing that all this time they've been putting feelers out, assuming that Andre would get a deal.

But now that other teams have decided that overpaying a WR that's in the end of his career isn't the best idea, they're coming back saying, "Um, can a brother have a shot at getting back that million he gave up?"

W.

T.

F.???????
 
this would have never happened had the texans selected a QB in the first round.

not selecting a first round QB signaled to dre they were rebuilding. choosing ryan freaking fitzpatrick as starter sealed the deal.

naming fitzpatrick starter before any real competition took place was a slap to dre's face.

obrien is off to a horrible start to his texan career basically ran out of town the franchise greatest player.

but im pretty sure texan fans have started turning on dre and started cheerleading obrien.

typical brainwashed texans. it wont be long till obrien recieves the "guru" label.

so congrats on not having a great player in our entire history that played his career from beginning to end. that would have been dre.



thanks for the memories, dre. you deserved so much better.
 
Lord Bills said:
this would have never happened had the texans selected a QB in the first round.

not selecting a first round QB signaled to dre they were rebuilding. choosing ryan freaking fitzpatrick as starter sealed the deal.

naming fitzpatrick starter before any real competition took place was a slap to dre's face.

obrien is off to a horrible start to his texan career basically ran out of town the franchise greatest player.

but im pretty sure texan fans have started turning on dre and started cheerleading obrien.

typical brainwashed texans. it wont be long till obrien recieves the "guru" label.

so congrats on not having a great player in our entire history that played his career from beginning to end. that would have been dre.



thanks for the memories, dre. you deserved so much better.
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BS.

This would have never happened if Bob McNair had taken a big picture view in 2006, and fired Gary Kubiak.

This has nothing to do with O'Brien. If you want to look at the faux-guru label, book a ticket to Baltimore.

Gary Kubiak is a loser and a massive fraud who was given far too many changes. This is at his feet.
 
Lord Bills said:
this would have never happened had the texans selected a QB in the first round.

not selecting a first round QB signaled to dre they were rebuilding. choosing ryan freaking fitzpatrick as starter sealed the deal.

naming fitzpatrick starter before any real competition took place was a slap to dre's face.

obrien is off to a horrible start to his texan career basically ran out of town the franchise greatest player.

but im pretty sure texan fans have started turning on dre and started cheerleading obrien.

typical brainwashed texans. it wont be long till obrien recieves the "guru" label.

so congrats on not having a great player in our entire history that played his career from beginning to end. that would have been dre.



thanks for the memories, dre. you deserved so much better.
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QFT!!!

Yep not drafting or signing a capable QB is really helping us so far! :toropalm:

Really hope Dre still somehow stays, no one has given more to this organization that him.
 
imatexan said:
QFT!!!

Yep not drafting or signing a capable QB is really helping us so far! :toropalm:

Really hope Dre still somehow stays, no one has given more to this organization that him.
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BS, Part 2.

Where was 'Dre's outrage a couple of years ago when it became clear that our QB and head coach were both terrible?
 
infantrycak said:
Clearly he disagrees with you as does the GM of the Ravens who is regarded as one of if not the best in the league.
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Ah, so we should have kept Kubiak then? Got it.

The Raven's hired Kubiak as the OC. And, let's not forget that they're getting him for a salary of $0. It's not a big risk for them.

Regardless, if 'Dre wants to go to Baltimore, cool. I wish him well.
 
for me this is no different than when Tony Gonzalez asked to be traded out of K.C. when they were the dregs or when LaBron chose to leave Cleveland.

Now this request to be paid the million for working out on his own is a little ridiculous, IMO.

But wanting to play for a contender instead of a rebuild job at this stage in his career... I totally get that.
 
Lord Bills said:
this would have never happened had the texans selected a QB in the first round.

not selecting a first round QB signaled to dre they were rebuilding. choosing ryan freaking fitzpatrick as starter sealed the deal.

naming fitzpatrick starter before any real competition took place was a slap to dre's face.

obrien is off to a horrible start to his texan career basically ran out of town the franchise greatest player.

but im pretty sure texan fans have started turning on dre and started cheerleading obrien.

typical brainwashed texans. it wont be long till obrien recieves the "guru" label.

so congrats on not having a great player in our entire history that played his career from beginning to end. that would have been dre.



thanks for the memories, dre. you deserved so much better.
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Yeah, that Manziel guy is looking better and better now.....
 
So, what could we possibly expect for him in a trade? Two firsts? One first? A second? A third?

I don't think I'd let him go for anything less than a first. Players must realize that they've signed a contract and are obliged to honor it. Sit him on the bench and cut his salary for every practice and game he misses. Or make him come to his senses. I still like AJ - a lot. And I understand his frustration. I just hate players holding their teams hostage and I didn't expect AJ to do that.
 
infantrycak said:
Clearly he disagrees with you as does the GM of the Ravens who is regarded as one of if not the best in the league.
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Some guys are cut out to HC and others just Coordinators. Every HC we've had has turned out to be a coordinator in over his head.
 
Is he really complaining about 1 mil? The guy has got to have several mil in the bank. So in the grand scheme of things it's hard to say if it's a money grab or not.

Everyone that plays in the NFL wants a ring, but he HAD to know that the Texans' chances of making the SB this year were mediocre at best, EVEN if they had drafted his QB of choice. And I don't think there are any sure fire, Manning like QB's in this draft.

What I don't get is why did he hold the FO hostage all this time? Just because he is the most tenured player on the team? He should have been at OTA's and the mini camps.

I think he realized ol Rick was playing hardball and thought well, I better go play football. I'm a huge fan of Andre but this is borderline "diva" stuff IMO. I get the fact that he wants to win, everyone does. The fact is, not many do. Ask fans of the Bills, Lions, Browns, Jags, Titans, etc. The list goes on and on.

Bottom line to me is, you are a professional football player, one of the best to ever play your position. Act like it and get out there and do all you can to help this team win.
 
Vinny said:
Johnson is a team captain. He wears the C on his helmet. You lead by example and this is an awful example. It's in your effin' contract. Honor it or stop begging for exceptions. It's not what leaders do.
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Regardless what happened, or will happen, I guarantee he'll be voted captain again.


If he's still a Texans.
 
Is the news of AJ wanting to be traded just a rumor? Or is it official?

(sorry if it was already said, I couldn't find it)
 
revan said:
So OB's odds aren't looking too good then. :kitten:
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The other Texans HC's did not have ANY previous HC experience, not even in college. OB has been in a position to be exposed to and thoroughly understand the differences between the responsibilities of a HC (admirably handled at that) vs. an OC.
 
THANK YOU NICK WRIGHT!!!!

THANK YOU.

For putting on blast these selfish, dishonest, disloyal fans on 610 right now.


"you ask for loyalty from your players but cant return the favor"

Andre has restructured his contract the last 3 years and what does obrien do when he gets here? takes down his pictures around the arena using the lame "team attitude" excuse and name ryan fitzpatrick as starter.

"so funny to see fans who are workers not management in their lives support management and turn on the greatest player in franchise history."

I love nick wright. tells it like is. unlike the disgusting homer rich lord.

so glad they hired him.
 
I can see both sides of this argument but did you really just quote Nick Wright? Saying he tells it like it is then calling Rich Lord a homer?

Nick Wright who does nothing but bash everything that is not a St Louis based team? The same Nick Wright who talks about everything but sports on his show?

Nick Wright is a freaking douche bag.
 
Lord Bills said:
"so funny to see fans who are workers not management in their lives support management and turn on the greatest player in franchise history."
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That's a silly point.


Lot's of these players make millions of dollars and own businesses themselves.

Should they side with the owners since they are management themselves in another aspect of life?

Maybe they should side with their employees when disputes arise?

Nick Wright is largely a goofball. I like the guy ok at times, but I really don't care what the guy says. He often makes goofball points...like the one in the quote.
 
houstonspartan said:
Ah, so we should have kept Kubiak then? Got it.

The Raven's hired Kubiak as the OC. And, let's not forget that they're getting him for a salary of $0. It's not a big risk for them.

Regardless, if 'Dre wants to go to Baltimore, cool. I wish him well.
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I disagree with it's not a big risk. One year is a large part of every players career in Football, if you're hiring a coordinator who does terrible you're essentially wasting a year of your guys in their prime.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The other Texans HC's did not have ANY previous HC experience, not even in college.
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Capers had previous HC experience...of an expansion team no less -> Carolina Panthers.

I think the whole no previous experience thing is overblown anyway. First off having previous experience generally means they got canned. Then on the college thing, I think college HC is further away from NFL HC than NFL coordinator is but of course that's JMO.
 
NCTexan said:
I disagree with it's not a big risk. One year is a large part of every players career in Football, if you're hiring a coordinator who does terrible you're essentially wasting a year of your guys in their prime.
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put an offense in his hands...just don't put a franchise in them.
 
Lord Bills said:
THANK YOU NICK WRIGHT!!!!

THANK YOU.

For putting on blast these selfish, dishonest, disloyal fans on 610 right now.


"you ask for loyalty from your players but cant return the favor"

Andre has restructured his contract the last 3 years and what does obrien do when he gets here? takes down his pictures around the arena using the lame "team attitude" excuse and name ryan fitzpatrick as starter.

"so funny to see fans who are workers not management in their lives support management and turn on the greatest player in franchise history."

I love nick wright. tells it like is. unlike the disgusting homer rich lord.

so glad they hired him.
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Who ?
 
DX-TEX said:
Morning show host on 610 who talks about sophomoric nonsense than actual sports. And when he does talk about sports the topic always swings towards St. Louis.
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If I listen it's 790am until 11:00 am and then it's 610 am . Lopez's cackle and Nick Wrights ( like lord bills ) I'm smarter than you stuff is boring .
 
Lance Zierlein ‏@LanceZierlein
Asking around with four front office executives regarding expected trade haul for Andre Johnson and received answers ranging from 2nd to 5th
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James Palmer ‏@JPalmerCSN
#Texans WR Andre Johnson turns 33 today.
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Happy Birthday, Andre!

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Report: Texans have no plans to trade Andre Johnson; LINK

Sometimes lost in the fervor over a player asking for a trade is the reality that the team has to go along with that idea.

Thus, it doesn’t appear the Texans are inclined to move disgruntled wide receiver Andre Johnson just because he wants to.

According to John McClain of the Houston Chronicle, the Texans don’t plan to move Johnson for several reasons, all of which are better for them than him.

There’s the simple pragmatism that they’re better with him than without him, especially in a year in which they’re scraping by with quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick. Plus, they want the 33-year-old receiver to finish his career there.

But perhaps most importantly, they don’t want to create a dangerous precedent.

That pride is probably as significant as any other factor, because as good as Johnson is, he’s unlikely to be the difference in them making the playoffs and not making the playoffs.

Now we’ll see whose pride can take the hit between the Texans and Johnson, as we see who blinks first.
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Vinny said:
Too many injuries in this game to give out fully guaranteed contracts. If you don't like that as a player you can either negotiate that into your agreement or find another Pro league to join. AJ should honor his agreement. We are all grown-ups here so the lesson is to not listen to Uncle anybody and pay for a track record. If you want to save some money by hiring Uncle Whathisface...well tough stuff if you have a bad deal. In his last restructure he had better help but he could have been more forward thinking. I mean, his current situation was agreed to, so if he wasn't fully aware of the consequences it's just too much short-term thinking and not enough forward-thinking going on. It's not the Texans fault or the league's fault either. Everyone knows the rules of the playing field. I like AJ as a player and I think he seems like a good guy, but his current situation was created by him. He's a famous, talented multi-millionare so I don't feel sorry for him. I still respect the guy even though he is letting down his teammates who are all better players with AJ understanding the offense and reporting to work.
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You talk about "honor", yet expect none of that from the franchise itself?

This is not about injury. All accounts are that AJ would have to restructure in 2015 off-season or be cut as a "salary cap casualty". His last two years are heavy, yet we don't expect the team to "honor" that part of the AGREEMENT?

You usually see through the corporate BS.

Dude has maybe 2 good years left in his career based on historical evidence of WRs. After that, it's a crap shoot if he can produce or even stay healthy.

I do not hold a player above the team, but I'm also pragmatic and realize that the "team" that we so desperately act loyal to is nothing more than a multi-billion dollar corporation. AJ is a human being that has the right to conduct his career however he chooses, and this hold-out is the only legal remedy he has under the CBA.

I never said anything about feeling sorry for the guy. That would involve emotion, and I've checked that at the door long ago. Pro football in my life is no different than a Metallica tour or a new Star Wars movie. It's just entertainment, so whatever these entertainers do with their employers is just part of the industry.

If a fan doesn't like it, perhaps they can find another Pro league to follow. :fingergun:

Honoring Earl 34 said:
If I listen it's 790am until 11:00 am and then it's 610 am . Lopez's cackle and Nick Wrights ( like lord bills ) I'm smarter than you stuff is boring .
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610 apparently needs a resident douche-bag, because once they got rid of Josh Ennis, they promoted Nick Wright's lame-ass routine to the douche position.
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
If I listen it's 790am until 11:00 am and then it's 610 am . Lopez's cackle and Nick Wrights ( like lord bills ) I'm smarter than you stuff is boring .
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Nick Wright's an asshat, so it's quite fitting the Lord Bills kid likes him. Lopez is too busy giving everyone verbal BJs

I listen to Meltzer and Payne at lunch and that's it. I also listen to Texans Tuesday due to being in the same time slot
 
^^^What DB said.. I in no way have animosity towards AJ, NFL careers are short, and this team is obviously in rebuild mode. You can say it's money, but that's opinion. My opinion is he wishes to play out his career with a winner, and I don't foresee that in the Texans near future.
 
Double Barrel said:
You talk about "honor", yet expect none of that from the franchise itself?

This is not about injury. All accounts are that AJ would have to restructure in 2015 off-season or be cut as a "salary cap casualty". His last two years are heavy, yet we don't expect the team to "honor" that part of the AGREEMENT?

You usually see through the corporate BS.

Dude has maybe 2 good years left in his career based on historical evidence of WRs. After that, it's a crap shoot if he can produce or even stay healthy.

I do not hold a player above the team, but I'm also pragmatic and realize that the "team" that we so desperately act loyal to is nothing more than a multi-billion dollar corporation. AJ is a human being that has the right to conduct his career however he chooses, and this hold-out is the only legal remedy he has under the CBA.

I never said anything about feeling sorry for the guy. That would involve emotion, and I've checked that at the door long ago. Pro football in my life is no different than a Metallica tour or a new Star Wars movie. It's just entertainment, so whatever these entertainers do with their employers is just part of the industry.

If a fan doesn't like it, perhaps they can find another Pro league to follow. :fingergun:
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Good points...

I think we have to remember that this is his career.

Good analogy...It's like the actor in your favorite movie franchise or favorite show having a disagreement with the producers or something.

Yeah...As a fan, you want that guy to show up...but at the end of the day it's entertainment for us, and business for them.

I don't know what Andre's or the Texans end game is. At this point I honestly don't care. With or without Andre I'm going to be ready for this upcoming season.
 
Double Barrel said:
You talk about "honor", yet expect none of that from the franchise itself?

This is not about injury. All accounts are that AJ would have to restructure in 2015 off-season or be cut as a "salary cap casualty". His last two years are heavy, yet we don't expect the team to "honor" that part of the AGREEMENT?

You usually see through the corporate BS.

Dude has maybe 2 good years left in his career based on historical evidence of WRs. After that, it's a crap shoot if he can produce or even stay healthy.

I do not hold a player above the team, but I'm also pragmatic and realize that the "team" that we so desperately act loyal to is nothing more than a multi-billion dollar corporation. AJ is a human being that has the right to conduct his career however he chooses, and this hold-out is the only legal remedy he has under the CBA.

I never said anything about feeling sorry for the guy. That would involve emotion, and I've checked that at the door long ago. Pro football in my life is no different than a Metallica tour or a new Star Wars movie. It's just entertainment, so whatever these entertainers do with their employers is just part of the industry.

If a fan doesn't like it, perhaps they can find another Pro league to follow. :fingergun:



610 apparently needs a resident douche-bag, because once they got rid of Josh Ennis, they promoted Nick Wright's lame-ass routine to the douche position.
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It's just not a league that you can give out guaranteed contracts. Meltzer discusses this as it pertains to how Mike Tannenbaum was fired for the Mark Sanchez guarantee. Yes, I talk about honoring your agreement. You're a Man, you know the rules. Don't cry when you miss the easiest 1 million dollars you will ever earn (reporting bonus - I mean you are a Pro football player right?) and act surprised when your re-structured deal sucks at the end when you are the one who agreed to this contract to begin with.


Ian Rapoport tried to clear up the issues surrounding Johnson and the Texans with this piece on NFL.com Thursday. The dilemma appears to center around the $1M that the receiver forfeited for not showing up to offseason workouts. Andre wants the opportunity to earn it back, while the Texans are holding firm at rejecting his request.

What’s more realistic: this entire standoff revolving around a million dollar roster bonus, or Andre (and his camp) attempting to acquire more financial security, specifically in terms of his 2015 money?

During his appearance on MaD Radio, Rapoport indicated the Texans could appease Andre by guaranteeing his 2015 base salary. This, to me, is the crux of the issue. There is a world of difference between giving Johnson a $1M workout bonus, and giving him a $20.5M commitment over the next two years.

If Andre gets a $1M bonus that he didn’t technically “earn,” what players in the locker room are going to be up in arms? I’d guess very, very few. If Andre gets a contract re-structure guaranteeing him both 2014 and 2015, Rick Smith would receive a phone call the very next day from Ben Dogra, JJ Watt’s agent. I’m sure a call from Kareem Jackson’s agent wouldn’t be far away.

In 2010, the Texans took the extremely rare step of re-structuring Johnson’s contract, despite having multiple years left. The explanation was simple: he’s the greatest player in the franchise history, and he is a unique case. It’s a very fair argument for a possible Hall of Famer, in his prime, working on an under-market contract.

Right now, Smith would have a far more difficult time justifying a contract extension/money guarantee. If he tried to argue, “Well, he’s Andre Johnson,” Dogra’s response would probably be something along the lines of, “That’s great. I represent JJ Watt. You know, the 2-time first team All-Pro and 2012 NFL Defensive Player of the Year.”

In addition, guaranteeing future base salaries is a very dangerous step in the NFL. Just ask Mike Tannenbaum, who did that with Mark Sanchez (guaranteeing salaries in 2012 and 2013, preventing the Jets from releasing the former USC QB). Tannenbaum was fired after the 2012 season.
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http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/07/10/mike-meltser-on-the-andre-johnson-standoff/
 
Vinny said:
It's just not a league that you can give out guaranteed contracts. Meltzer discusses this as it pertains to how Mike Tannenbaum was fired for the Mark Sanchez guarantee. Yes, I talk about honoring your agreement. You're a Man, you know the rules. Don't cry when you miss the easiest 1 million dollars you will ever earn (reporting bonus - I mean you are a Pro football player right?) and act surprised when your re-structured deal sucks at the end when you are the one who agreed to this contract to begin with.


http://houston.cbslocal.com/2014/07/10/mike-meltser-on-the-andre-johnson-standoff/
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Good points as well....
 
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