Again with a generalization.
Try to read it again... this time, act as if the person posting isn't me & it's just someone asking a question, not making a generalization.
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Again with a generalization.
Try to read it again... this time, act as if the person posting isn't me & it's just someone asking a question, not making a generalization.
Sounds plausible... but how much coaching goes into identifying mistakes & correcting them on the scout team?
All I am saying is there is no hard and fast rule.
But since we're on the topic I think it would be more useful for a QBs development to get a whole bunch of reps running the scout team (under whatever name on the roster/depth chart) rather than a handful running our O as a backup.
Isn't that what Tom Brady was doing his rookie year... running the scout team?
Isn't that what Tom Brady was doing his rookie year... running the scout team?
Pretty sure, yes.
Brady would throw for just 168 yards, while Manning threw three interceptions, two for pick-six touchdowns. But those Patriots began to rally that day around Brady, who would lead them five months later to a stunning Super Bowl XXXVI upset of the heavily favored St. Louis Rams.
Former New England linebacker Willie McGinest remembered thinking that an 0-2 team built on its defense had to help take some pressure off the kid, who had been drafted in the sixth round the previous April out of Michigan.
Our job was to make sure that we had a chance to win that game on defense and that it didn't get out of control, because Tom wasn't playing against Peyton, we were," the NFL Network analyst told USA TODAY Sports. "Peyton is always a tough challenge for a defense."
Yet McGinest and his teammates entered that game with an inexplicable confidence in Brady, who nearly led them back to victory the previous week when he replaced Bledsoe in the fourth quarter.
"We felt then, 'We'll be all right with this kid,' when he first got in there against the Jets, just by the way he came in and finished that game strong," McGinest said.
"I mean, the Patriots made the right decision with Tom, right?" McGinest laughs heartily.
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"You looked at Tom and it's not like anything just stood out with him," said Rypien, who, like Brady was also a sixth-round pick. "There are kids you see in warm-ups and you go, 'Wow!' Nothing Tom ever did was just an awe factor. He was just so good at everything. ...
"The one thing I've always been impressed with about Tom is his ability to move in the pocket, and how he has that clock ticking in his head. He's always had that sense of feeling pressure, just moving two or three steps sideways or stepping up in the pocket."
McGinest cited other intangibles about Brady that impressed his veteran teammates.
"From early on ... it's about team, it's about competing, it's about wanting to be the best and being a student of the game and doing everything he can to give our team the best chance to win," McGinest said.
"Tom bought into Bill Belichick and our system, Day 1. It was never about him, which is one of the most important things people leave out about Tom. ... It takes a special guy to be that way."
The situation of Brady was quite unique; it seems like the perfect storm.Brady was 1/3 passing for 6 yards in 2000.
In 2001, Brady replaced an injured Drew Bledsoe in 4th quarter of 2nd game and started their 3rd game.
practice squad players can be poached from any team at any time. For this reason alone i don't think bOb will put Savage on the PS. He's either got to carry him on the roster or place him on injured reserve with a fake injury to ensure that he'll be able to keep him going into next year.
team may place a player on injured reserve (reserve/injured list) who is "not immediately available for participation with a club". Generally, these players may not practice or return to the Active List for the rest of the season (including postseason games or the Pro Bowl) that they are placed on injured reserve, but are allowed to be with the team
Placing him on IR would be counter productive to his growth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injured_reserve_list
PUP players may participate in team meetings, and take advantage of the training and medical facilities, but cannot practice with the team.
Placing him on IR would be counter productive to his growth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Injured_reserve_list
I agree and if he is designated to the PS or Injured reserve this year that should tell everyone all they need to know about what bOb thinks of Savage and his viability as the future of this franchise.
Where did practice squad come from?
I doubt Savage will be on the practice squad. I think he'll make the roster. I honestly don't know where he will be slotted on the depth chart, but if he is 3rd on the depth chart (which I think is most likely), he'll be running with the scout team.
I introduced it and i only brought it up b/c of the talk of them possibly only carrying 2 qbs. If that were to actually be the case, Savage would have a hard time making the roster with 3 other veteran guys in front of him, imo of course.
In that regard the only way for BoB to attempt to keep him would be to stash him on IR or the PS.
It's nothing personal. I just think you are operating off assumed rules which do not exist. In the absence of evidence to the contrary, my bet is coaches player development decisions are as varied as opinions around here on how it should be done.
Well...There's different kinds of coaching...Technique work...Throwing form...Foot placement...Play fakes....
And then there is the coaching a guy up for a specific system...reads, calls and things like that....
I'd imagine that Savage isn't going to be getting as much work as the 1st and second string QB are.
Now, since OB is the type of coach that seems to want his hands on everything I'd imagine he'd make his way over to where Savage is and check him out. If he sees a coaching opportunity..Hey, Tom..."yada, yada, yada"...And then work his way back to the offensive field...
Also, when the coaches watch film, if OB sees Savage dropping his elbow...or taking a bad step...or whatever....He'll see it and mention it to him.
So basically....From my experiences and IMO...Savage will most likely be working on his technique this coming season if he's on scout team...He'll be studying our offense, but he won't get as much first hand work in it making live reads..calling the offense...all the nuances of what we run.
But he will have a playbook...He will watch film. If there is an injury he'll get some reps in practice running our offense...
But...You can and should get better as a player on Scout team. It's going to require a little more self discipline on his part because he's not going to have an offensive coach watching him every second of practice like the other QB's will...IF he is third string/scout team designated QB. So he will have to take some coaching and carry it over when they go 'live' for scout team.
Again...This is just my opinion based on how I've seen it done and from what I know.
Isn't that what Tom Brady was doing his rookie year... running the scout team?
I do as well, where he ends up (#2 or #3) is the real question. I personally believe that he's a lock to be the #3 guy. I don't think BoB wants to put him out there unless he has to. Everything BoB has said about him & young qb's in general seems to suggest that.
There were a few quotes from O'Brien recently (not sure exactly when) that I think were from a visit up to Pennsylvania. Basically said he would be on the scout team and would most likely learn for a year there, anything before the first 8 weeks would be wrong to put him out there to fail... Something along those lines, I can't find a link but they were reading off the quotes on the Blitz today.
I think Savage needs to be learning his offense. Learning the reads, the calls, the formations, the protections. Get that stuff on film, & correct it in the film room.
He will be learning that stuff. He just may not be getting a lot of reps doing it in practice. That's what I was trying to explain....If he's running scout team, he's running another team's offense...not ours...But he can still work on things like throwing motion, footwork...ball placement...ect....
He just won't be actively running our offense much in practice...He'll still watch film with the guys though...get mental reps in the film room...see the mistakes...learn our offense....
I believe @HoustonTexans QB Tom Savage will be among third-day drafted players who will start as rookies.
http://t.co/akOSsOunSd
Tom Savage, QB, Houston Texans
Draft position: Round 4, No. 135
Savage sat out 2011 (after transferring to Arizona from Rutgers) and 2012 (after transferring to Pittsburgh from Arizona), and thus was rusty in the early part of last season. Still, he showed outstanding improvement in the second half. He has the ideal size (6-4, 228) for the position and excellent arm strength. What he lacks in athleticism he makes up for with intangibles, including smarts, decision-making and leadership qualities. If he'd gotten on the field more frequently in college, I suspect he'd have been drafted higher. I think he'll outperform veteran Ryan Fitzpatrick and the rest of the quarterbacks in Houston; in fact, it would not surprise me to see Savage become the starter at some point this season, if not by Week 1.
This is awesome stuff and I hope it happens but if it does then please let it be because he was better than all these guys and not because they all suck so damn much that he was the lesser of "four evils".
Fitz, Case, and TJ are far from world beaters but I think any of the three could be trusted to start an NFL game. If we got a kid in the fourth round who could legitimately beat all of them out for the starting job right out of the gate then that's an epic steal.
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~100 days to a year....If TS does end up being "coachable" and stays "in the playbook" learning to be a "good team mate" how long do [you] expect it to take for QB Savage to correct his [fundamental] flaws...
~5 to ~16 months....and his being able to execute the [complete] playbook?
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1qazvigN800
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cr0BljPKksM
These made me SOLD on Savage.. Ooh yeah
OH YEAH!!!
Couldn't help myself.
Rookie quarterback Tom Savage spoke about the coaching staff, making his reps count and more in this video
QB Savage on making reps count
Gotta like a QB who's sticking with his "terrible black" 2007 Chevy Malibu college car.
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Wait....
A BRAVES ballcap!?!
Cut him!!
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Tom Savage didn't know he was following Fitzpatrick until his name was called
I don't know what to make of savage other than right now he doesn't seem good enough.
Well, pretty much the same as you'd think of him before. A QB that has all the tools but isn't fast enough through his reads and lacks eye discipline and pocket awareness.
What I meant is that I have no feel for how good he'll be...
Soooo if this really is O'Brien's future franchise guy, that means we're ride with Fitzy for this year AND next year??Being reported that Savage did not know he would be going in so early in the game...
Brian T Smith @ChronBrianSmithAnd he looked it with a deer-in-the-headlights expression. This one will need time to marinate before he's ready for the "big grill", IMO. Not unexpected with his history and 4th/5th draft slot. Drops his eyes when he moves in the pocket... gotta fix that.
This.....or do we go ahead and spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB next draft?
Soooo if this really is O'Brien's future franchise guy, that means we're ride with Fitzy for this year AND next year??
....or do we go ahead and spend a 1st or 2nd round pick on a QB next draft?
Yeah, you can't know until he masters the playbook and gets over the jitters to just react. Needs time and coaching up... which should lead to confidence. Would have loved to see a heart rate monitor on him from right when OB said, "Savage, get in there" through his first half playing time.