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2nd round DJ Swearinger

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Swearinger has a maturity problem. Kubiak should've sent him to the showers like Mike Singleterry did to Vernon Davis. You can't let a rookie get away with being a diva.

The day that Swearinger said in training camp, "I feel like a second or third year player," a coach should've instructed some veterans to remind him of his place as a rookie. Pecking orders exist for a reason, and Swearinger's behavior last night is an example of why an immature kid shouldn't be allowed to circumvent it.
 
Brisco_County said:
Swearinger has a maturity problem. Kubiak should've sent him to the showers like Mike Singleterry did to Vernon Davis. You can't let a rookie get away with being a diva.

The day that Swearinger said in training camp, "I feel like a second or third year player," a coach should've instructed some veterans to remind him of his place as a rookie. Pecking orders exist for a reason, and Swearinger's behavior last night is an example of why an immature kid shouldn't be allowed to circumvent it.
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Thanks. The damn announcers were having a field day with Swearinger and then after all that clapping he gets thrown and scored on.
 
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Farewell Kubes, this is how I will remember you.
 
I hate Swearinger. That guy is an unnecessarily cocky, arrogant, idiotic, and oblivious piece of crap.

I don't like players like that on my team. What a jibber-jabbering idiot.
 
I think the everyone on this team thought thursday that if they do everything possible to make the coaching staff look like idiots they would get fired so they did....

and it worked so I'm happy with last night performance by everyone.
 
SCOTTexans said:
I think the everyone on this team thought thursday that if they do everything possible to make the coaching staff look like idiots they would get fired so they did....

and it worked so I'm happy with last night performance by everyone.
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That's a lofty accusation. Where's your proof?
 
SCOTTexans said:
I think the everyone on this team thought thursday that if they do everything possible to make the coaching staff look like idiots they would get fired so they did....

and it worked so I'm happy with last night performance by everyone.
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From historical perspective, Swearinger simply can't help himself.........the next HC would do well to offer him a.........

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BullNation4Life said:
not defending his actions but if this was a 11-2 team, would be "he got caught up in the passion of the game" BUT it is what it is, Texans are 2-11 and all the antics the players do now is ridiculous, as it should be...


Oh and getting beat on a double pass trick play was icing on the proverbial cake for "Swagg" last night...
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Not even sure they throw the flag if the texans are 11-2

It looked like the refs were throwing flags for having to be at that game
 
great player, but two bad habits that we knew he had still need to be broken. he's a hitter instead of a tackler (as seen on a 60+ yard TD run that he got trucked), and he lets his emotions get the better of him.
 
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Vinny said:
too slow to react...the Texas way. Keo starting also mindbloggling....but he's slow, so I guess that's cool for this slowass team.
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What's mind boggling, is that Will Demps is kicking as5 in Kansas City.
 
I don't realy think Swearinger is all that great. He is pretty consistently missing tackles. Obviously, he got epically trucked bad in the one game, missed a crucial tackle on a guy out in the flats early in the season, among others. He's been caught a few times in coverage holding because he was beat.

His attitude problem is terrible. He doesn't look like he listens to his coaches either. I know the team is on a horrible losing streak and you may not love your coach, but if you are a rookie and you are making back to back bonehead plays, just stfu and listen to your coach. He can't even do that. He cost us points and then is still talking back to the coach. That whole episode showed me much of what I need to know about him. I don't think that's something you "grow out of," more likely it's just something that is in him. He just looks like he isn't in control of himself. Controlled rage is good on the field, but nobody wants a guy that can't control himself.

Look at this draft class guys. It's horrendous. The entire class, outside of Hopkins, is bad or was injured early on. I can't remember a draft class that contributed less in its first year.
 
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TexansSeminole said:
I don't realy think Swearinger is all that great. He is pretty consistently missing tackles. Obviously, he got epically trucked bad in the one game, missed a crucial tackle on a guy out in the flats early in the season, among others. He's been caught a few times in coverage holding because he was beat.

His attitude problem is terrible. He doesn't look like he listens to his coaches either. I know the team is on a horrible losing streak and you may not love your coach, but if you are a rookie and you are making back to back bonehead plays, just stfu and listen to your coach. He can't even do that. He cost us points and then is still talking back to the coach. That whole episode showed me much of what I need to know about him. I don't think that's something you "grow out of," more likely it's just something that is in him. He just looks like he isn't in control of himself. Controlled rage is good on the field, but nobody wants a guy that can't control himself.

Look at this draft class guys. It's horrendous. The entire class, outside of Hopkins, is bad or was injured early on. I can't remember a draft class that contributed less in its first year.
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It's probably pretty close to the 2007 draft class. Rick really sucks at drafting and it's a damn shame we're going to be stuck with him screwing up draft after draft. I also think Swearinger is never going to be more than an average box safety, a crappier version of Pollard.
 
Man, look at our drafts in 2007 and 2008, blech.

1/10 (from Atlanta) Amobi Okoye Defensive tackle Louisville
3/73 Jacoby Jones* Wide receiver Lane
4/123 (from New Orleans) Fred Bennett Cornerback South Carolina
5/144 Brandon Harrison Safety Stanford
5/163 (from New Orleans) Brandon Frye Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
6/183 Kasey Studdard Offensive guard Texas
7/218 Zac Diles Linebacker Kansas State

1/26 (from Baltimore) Duane Brown Offensive tackle Virginia Tech
3/79 Antwaun Molden Cornerback Eastern Kentucky
3/89 (from Baltimore) Steve Slaton Running back West Virginia
4/118 Xavier Adibi Linebacker Virginia Tech
5/151 Frank Okam Defensive tackle Texas
6/173 (from Baltimore) Dominique Barber Safety Minnesota
7/223 Alex Brink Quarterback Washington State
 
TexansSeminole said:
I don't realy think Swearinger is all that great. He is pretty consistently missing tackles. Obviously, he got epically trucked bad in the one game, missed a crucial tackle on a guy out in the flats early in the season, among others. He's been caught a few times in coverage holding because he was beat.

His attitude problem is terrible. He doesn't look like he listens to his coaches either. I know the team is on a horrible losing streak and you may not love your coach, but if you are a rookie and you are making back to back bonehead plays, just stfu and listen to your coach. He can't even do that. He cost us points and then is still talking back to the coach. That whole episode showed me much of what I need to know about him. I don't think that's something you "grow out of," more likely it's just something that is in him. He just looks like he isn't in control of himself. Controlled rage is good on the field, but nobody wants a guy that can't control himself.

Look at this draft class guys. It's horrendous. The entire class, outside of Hopkins, is bad or was injured early on. I can't remember a draft class that contributed less in its first year.
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Agree.

Why are we keeping Smith? Hopkins is OK for what he is but Texans need speed.

Is DJ just small? In his short career he has had a few very memorable butt whippings.
 
I was full of rage when talking about DJ during the year, given how terrible the team was. I still feel somewhat the same way. Maybe he does mature, but that episode was facepalm worthy.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I was full of rage when talking about DJ during the year, given how terrible the team was. I still feel somewhat the same way. Maybe he does mature, but that episode was facepalm worthy.
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I'm not big on DJ or Hopkins as elite players. We just have to do a better job drafting starting in a few weeks.
 
Vinny said:
I'm not big on DJ or Hopkins as elite players. We just have to do a better job drafting starting in a few weeks.
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Solid players, nothing special, hopefully they improve in yr 2.

I'm sure Rick Smith had nothing to do with their drafting.
 
Vinny said:
I'm not big on DJ or Hopkins as elite players. We just have to do a better job drafting starting in a few weeks.
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Hopkins played pretty good as a rookie. Will he be elite? I doubt he ever becomes a dominant #1, but he can be a solid one or a really good #2. Remember that he was drafted late in the 1st round. The elite guys are typically gone by then.

As for Swearinger, he was a 2nd round pick who started a bunch of games as a rookie. He had his struggles, but let's see how he does with a new DC and an upgrade at FS next to him.
 
WolverineFan said:
Hopkins played pretty good as a rookie. Will he be elite? I doubt he ever becomes a dominant #1, but he can be a solid one or a really good #2. Remember that he was drafted late in the 1st round. The elite guys are typically gone by then.
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I think he can be a dominant #1, but there are a lot of things that would have to go right. Being the next Jerry Rice is more about heart & dedication than talent.

I wouldn't act like he is, or that he will be. If I had an opportunity to sign an elite WR, & it makes sense to do so at that time, I'd do it.

But playing with Andre is going to help him like playing with Marvin Harrison helped Reggie Wayne... having Peyton Manning throwing him the ball didn't hurt either, so that's the other variable. We've got to find the right QB.
 
WolverineFan said:
Hopkins played pretty good as a rookie. Will he be elite? I doubt he ever becomes a dominant #1, but he can be a solid one or a really good #2. Remember that he was drafted late in the 1st round. The elite guys are typically gone by then.
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Lots of big time wrs come late in the 1st. Hopkins is just Jabbar Gaffney with big hands. Same separation but with better hands. Nothing special. You can get that in round 3. You're supposed to get your "dominant #1's in rd1 or rd2. We got the dickflash kid out of our rd1 when we should have taken Cordarrelle Patterson (now that's a good pick). I wanted Patterson b4 the draft but we just had to get the Kubes fit.
 
Vinny said:
Lots of big time wrs come late in the 1st. Hopkins is just Jabbar Gaffney with big hands. Same separation but with better hands. Nothing special. You can get that in round 3. You're supposed to get your "dominant #1's in rd1 or rd2. We got the dickflash kid out of our rd1 when we should have taken Cordarrelle Patterson (now that's a good pick). I wanted Patterson b4 the draft but we just had to get the Kubes fit.
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Agreed. Patterson has the game changing skills that once honed could have been the #1 to replace AJ. I couldn't believe he was there when our pick came up and then we passed on him. I gave the FO slack because they know more than me, but considering their impact in year 1, Patterson is a difference maker, while Hopkins is a solid #2. Hopkins may step up as a soph, but he just isn't as talented as Patterson IMHO.
 
Texan in Japan said:
I gave the FO slack because they know more than me, but considering their impact in year 1, Patterson is a difference maker, while Hopkins is a solid #2. Hopkins may step up as a soph, but he just isn't as talented as Patterson IMHO.
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Patterson's best contribution was on punt returns. Based on their first year's performance, Hopkins appears to be the much better choice.

We can't say that he had an advantage at QB, or that he was on the better team. Sure we've got Andre, but they've got Petterson... teams playing the Vikings were either putting nine in the box or jumping on the play fake.
 
Vinny said:
Lots of big time wrs come late in the 1st. Hopkins is just Jabbar Gaffney with big hands. Same separation but with better hands. Nothing special. You can get that in round 3. You're supposed to get your "dominant #1's in rd1 or rd2. We got the dickflash kid out of our rd1 when we should have taken Cordarrelle Patterson (now that's a good pick). I wanted Patterson b4 the draft but we just had to get the Kubes fit.
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Agreed

Things like this are why Gary and Rick should be gone. Even though Kopkins isn't a bad player, he's certainly not a differencemaker.
 
thunderkyss said:
Patterson's best contribution was on punt returns. Based on their first year's performance, Hopkins appears to be the much better choice.

We can't say that he had an advantage at QB, or that he was on the better team. Sure we've got Andre, but they've got Petterson... teams playing the Vikings were either putting nine in the box or jumping on the play fake.
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I guess you didn't watch many Viking games then. He was more impressive in every way over Hopkins. Plenty of nice plays from scrimmage and for extra credit you can enjoy the rac that Hopkins only dreams about at 2:17 where he takes the pitch lined up as a rb from the I formation and scores. Reality and versitility trumps imagination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Y9Tee8vbs
 
Vinny said:
I guess you didn't watch many Viking games then. He was more impressive in every way over Hopkins. Plenty of nice plays from scrimmage and for extra credit you can enjoy the rac that Hopkins only dreams about at 2:17 where he takes the pitch lined up as a rb from the I formation and scores. Reality and versitility trumps imagination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Y9Tee8vbs
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I think this is a situation where the type of team/organization that you go to matters. If it is a player matters more than system team then Patterson works (remember Vikings had Harvin small Patterson with headaches) versus a system over player team. Hopkins is a better "more polished' dude than the raw Patterson. Methinks Patterson in Houston would have been a bigger and better Jacoby, but we would have been looking at Hopkins or allen with glowing eyes if Patterson was a part of 2013 Texans.
 
ArlingtonTexan said:
I think this is a situation where the type of team/organization that you go to matters. If it is a player matters more than system team then Patterson works (remember Vikings had Harvin small Patterson with headaches) versus a system over player team. Hopkins is a better "more polished' dude than the raw Patterson. Methinks Patterson in Houston would have been a bigger and better Jacoby, but we would have been looking at Hopkins or allen with glowing eyes if Patterson was a part of 2013 Texans.
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Me likes the odds of picking the most talented players and adjusting the scheme to fit the talent.

You know like the good teams do.
 
steelbtexan said:
Me likes the odds of picking the most talented players and adjusting the scheme to fit the talent.

You know like the good teams do.
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Tom Brady has thrown a TD to over 50 different receivers in his career. Here is a list of those that have caught at least 10:

Deion Branch (24)
Troy Brown (15)
Kevin Faulk (10)
Christian Fauria (13)
David Givens (12)
Daniel Graham (17)
Rob Gronkowski (39)
Aaron Hernandez (18)
Randy Moss (39)
David Patten (16)
Ben Watson (17)
Wes Welker (34)

Outside of a Randy Moss at the end of his career, who on this list does not fit the Patriots scheme of TE's with good hands, an undersized possession WR or a RB?

We continually hold up the Pats as the model franchise, and yet they are not changing their scheme for talent. They are getting talent that will be successful in their scheme.
 
Vinny said:
I guess you didn't watch many Viking games then. He was more impressive in every way over Hopkins. Plenty of nice plays from scrimmage and for extra credit you can enjoy the rac that Hopkins only dreams about at 2:17 where he takes the pitch lined up as a rb from the I formation and scores. Reality and versitility trumps imagination.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_1Y9Tee8vbs
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Actually, with playing in all 16 games and having less than 500 receiving yards, he didn't have that much YAC consistently. He barely averaged 10 yards per reception. He only had 19 first downs (38 for Hopkins), 7 receptions that were over 20 yards (12 for Hopkins), and 4 TD's (2 for Hopkins) so I'm not sure how the disparity between the total yards and average per catch between the two dictate that he is "more impressive in every way" as a WR.

And for Christ's sake, there were pre-season games on his highlight video. :kubepalm:
 
sandman said:
Tom Brady has thrown a TD to over 50 different receivers in his career. Here is a list of those that have caught at least 10:

Deion Branch (24)
Troy Brown (15)
Kevin Faulk (10)
Christian Fauria (13)
David Givens (12)
Daniel Graham (17)
Rob Gronkowski (39)
Aaron Hernandez (18)
Randy Moss (39)
David Patten (16)
Ben Watson (17)
Wes Welker (34)

Outside of a Randy Moss at the end of his career, who on this list does not fit the Patriots scheme of TE's with good hands, an undersized possession WR or a RB?

We continually hold up the Pats as the model franchise, and yet they are not changing their scheme for talent. They are getting talent that will be successful in their scheme.
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They also have/had guys with world class speed to stretch the field. (Moss/Bethel Johnson/Slater etc.... Who is currently on the roster with that kind of speed at any position including ST's? Johnson was a gunner/KR/PR guy. Slater is one of the best ST's guys in the NFL.

Also the Pats have had a RB in each of the 5 yr cycles that are very fast and contribute on ST's Faulk/Woodhead/Vereen.

So yes, the Pats have a system but they adapt their system to fit their players. This is the reason I think a Sims/Archer would be great fits in BOB's offense.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
:confused: Am I missing something or are the Texans considering Swearinger at WR this season?:thinking:
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Guilty. Can't seem to have a convo on any thread without it devolving into a Smithiak referendum.

I think the point I was trying to make was that this team had a historically bad year that appears to be an outlier in their overall trend of the Kubiak regime. Think 6 wins to 12 wins in six years before this debacle. (not going to talk about Kubes. He is gone. Let's see if OB can take the next step) So why are we judging the future ability of the rookies based on the dynamics of that major goat rodeo?

IMHO, had this last season not been what it was, his apparent/perceived issues would have been addressed much more deliberately. As it was, hit tackling skills and loose tongue were but drops in the drama bucket for this team last year.

Let Swearinger - and Hopkins - have a go at it in their Sophomore season before we start declaring they are early round busts. I personally wouldn't wish that rookie season atmosphere on any high draft pick. Unless they were on the Titans. Or the Eagles (says my old inner-Cowboy fan)...
 
Vinny said:
Lots of big time wrs come late in the 1st. Hopkins is just Jabbar Gaffney with big hands. Same separation but with better hands. Nothing special. You can get that in round 3. You're supposed to get your "dominant #1's in rd1 or rd2. We got the dickflash kid out of our rd1 when we should have taken Cordarrelle Patterson (now that's a good pick). I wanted Patterson b4 the draft but we just had to get the Kubes fit.
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Yeah, not taking Patterson was a head scratcher. The Vikings moved up and jumped on him after the Texans passed on him. I will throw a 3rd rounder out there that blows away Hopkins. Keenan Allen. I'm ok with Hopkins but like you said the Texans got the Kubiak fit. Man I'm glad he is gone to the Ravens.
 
bckey said:
Yeah, not taking Patterson was a head scratcher. The Vikings moved up and jumped on him after the Texans passed on him. I will throw a 3rd rounder out there that blows away Hopkins. Keenan Allen. I'm ok with Hopkins but like you said the Texans got the Kubiak fit. Man I'm glad he is gone to the Ravens.
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Keenan Allen blew away Patterson & Austin as well, by a wider margin.
 
bckey said:
Yeah, not taking Patterson was a head scratcher. The Vikings moved up and jumped on him after the Texans passed on him. I will throw a 3rd rounder out there that blows away Hopkins. Keenan Allen. I'm ok with Hopkins but like you said the Texans got the Kubiak fit. Man I'm glad he is gone to the Ravens.
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Tandon Doss should be a good fit in Kubiak's offense.

I really think Swearinger is really going to improve under the new coaching staff. Dude has talent, he just needs to play with more disicipline. I hope the next coaching staff will bring this quality.
 
Clicked on the thread hoping to read some good news about swearinger but i guess we are trying to judge a WR after one year? Okay c'mon unless he is freaky athlete you gotta give him some time to develop.. i honestly don't wanna waste my time looking up some of the better WRS numbers in their rookie year
 
acal21 said:
Clicked on the thread hoping to read some good news about swearinger but i guess we are trying to judge a WR after one year? Okay c'mon unless he is freaky athlete you gotta give him some time to develop.. i honestly don't wanna waste my time looking up some of the better WRS numbers in their rookie year
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I'm off topic here (my bad) but wanted to answer this...sure. It's called having an opinion. He has every right to get better, stay the same or get worse. The opinion is altered once new evidence is presented. That's why we make these forums....for our "judgments/opinions" about players, coaches, teams or strategies. We could always just run with what ESPN tells us though.
 
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