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htownfan32 said:
Carr, Manziel has been working hard to become a pocket passer. He's tough for a guy his size. He rarely looks to run it when the play breaks down, instead he'll extend the play by avoiding linemen and running to the sidelines waiting for a WR to get open. He will *rarely* run it himself this season. He extends and passes to his 2nd and 3rd options in a way he never would have before.

But yes, he needs to work on it even more, or his stay in the NFL will be an injury ridden short one.
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Agreed, Manziel works with private QB coach George Whitfield Jr. The numbers of times Manziel has run this season is down substantially from last year. When he does run it is for a first down or positive yardage. I am bowing out of the drinking conversation as I have to admit I have no idea why Farve and Manziel want to drink a beer. My guess is to relax and have fun like most but that is pure guessing, I've never met or spoke to either.
 
Saints quarterback Drew Brees said Texas A&M redshirt sophomore QB Johnny Manziel will "absolutely" be a starter in the NFL.

"He's got all the playmaking ability to be a great player," Brees said. "[There are] guys like [Manziel] in this league. Russell Wilson and his ability to run the football and extend plays outside the pocket and throw the ball down the field. Intermediate [routes], I mean he can do it all." The 6-foot-1 Manziel is expected to forgo his final two seasons of eligibility and enter the 2014 NFL Draft. "I think the physical qualities are not nearly as important as the psychological qualities of playing the quarterback position," Brees said. "Certainly you have to have some level of throwing ability and fundamentals and that kind of thing. But speed, height, arm strength those things are way overrated when playing the quarterback position."

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Drew-Brees-Johnny-Manziel-is-absolutely-an-NFL-starter-111113
 
htownfan32 said:
Carr, Manziel has been working hard to become a pocket passer. He's tough for a guy his size. He rarely looks to run it when the play breaks down, instead he'll extend the play by avoiding linemen and running to the sidelines waiting for a WR to get open. He will *rarely* run it himself this season. He extends and passes to his 2nd and 3rd options in a way he never would have before.

But yes, he needs to work on it even more, or his stay in the NFL will be an injury ridden short one.
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I have watched every single game Johnny Football has ever played for Texas A&M and the fact is most of the posters in here don't know what in the hell they are talking about.

Just because a guy is small does not automatically make him injury prone. Case in point, Matt Schaub. That guy has every bit the build you want in an NFL QB yet has had multiple injury plagued seasons. As far as the running is concerned, they'd be right if they were talking about Johnny and his 1400 rushing yards last season. This year, as you pointed out perfectly, he is almost always looking to pass unless it's a designed running play.

As for the character issues, the only reason we even know about any of his "character flaws" is because he won the freaking Heisman Trophy. The guy doesn't do drugs, isn't missing practices for his team, is always ready to play on gameday, and plays as hard as anyone I have ever seen. Yes, he likes to drink and party. Who the hell said his drinking had anything to do with anxiety? The guy is a 20 year old KID that is the most celebrated athlete in all sports. By some of the responses of many of the posters in here, I'd think they'd never drank or partied a day in their lives let alone be a hot shot QB beating up on the best defenses in college football.

The complaints are just asinine. Players like Johnny Football are EXACTLY what the Texans need. People can say what they want, but I guarantee you every single guy on BOTH sides of the field respect the hell out of Johnny Manziel. Can't tell you how many games I have seen guys on the opposite team run out of their way just to go congratulate Johnny Football. No one that plays with him dislikes him or thinks he is a bad teammate. He is the ultimate competitor, THE team leader, and the type of attitude we could use in the Texans locker room.
 
Texian said:
Saints quarterback Drew Brees said Texas A&M redshirt sophomore QB Johnny Manziel will "absolutely" be a starter in the NFL.

"He's got all the playmaking ability to be a great player," Brees said. "[There are] guys like [Manziel] in this league. Russell Wilson and his ability to run the football and extend plays outside the pocket and throw the ball down the field. Intermediate [routes], I mean he can do it all." The 6-foot-1 Manziel is expected to forgo his final two seasons of eligibility and enter the 2014 NFL Draft. "I think the physical qualities are not nearly as important as the psychological qualities of playing the quarterback position," Brees said. "Certainly you have to have some level of throwing ability and fundamentals and that kind of thing. But speed, height, arm strength those things are way overrated when playing the quarterback position."

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Drew-Brees-Johnny-Manziel-is-absolutely-an-NFL-starter-111113
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It's funny he said the bold. As far as I can tell, Johnny Football has every single one of those qualities. Only thing he doesn't have is height and weight. He is the most elusive athlete I have ever seen, guys rarely get a clean hit on him, he is very fast, and his throwing strength is up there with the best of them in college football. The guy throws an absolutely beautiful deep ball, and I have routinely seen him launch 50-60 yards darts to players many times off balance. His lack of arm strength was only something that got put out there because people hadn't seen him play and assumed because of his size he had a weak arm.
 
Say Watt said:
It's funny he said the bold. As far as I can tell, Johnny Football has every single one of those qualities. Only thing he doesn't have is height and weight. He is the most elusive athlete I have ever seen, guys rarely get a clean hit on him, he is very fast, and his throwing strength is up there with the best of them in college football. The guy throws an absolutely beautiful deep ball, and I have routinely seen him launch 50-60 yards darts to players many times off balance. His lack of arm strength was only something that got put out there because people hadn't seen him play and assumed because of his size he had a weak arm.
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I haven't seen a lot of Manziel, but what I have seen, the guy does have the skills suceed in the NFl, no doubt. I saw most of the game aginst Alabama and he tore them apart. Not many Qb's in the NCAA can say that. If Keenum doesn't work out and starts regressing, I would be ecstatic if the Texans draft him. But The Texans can't win more than 5 games for that to happen or they are going to have to trade up.
 
I wouldn't say that Schaub is injury prone or any more so than Cushing, and for the same reason: just really bad luck with injuries. A better example would be a guy like Roethlisberger who is a prototypically-sized QB but is often injured, and even then because his offensive line is so bad.
 
I do watch a ton of Manziel; now I may not watch every game, but I study the game I watch.

Manziel is a very good QB with great potential.
The negative is that he's more of a gunslinger than Keenum under less pressure.
Take the games against the Tides, for example, he faced about a third and definitely less than half of what Keenum has been seeing in the NFL.
Remember that I always consider 3 seconds or more is on the QB.

His O-line is very stout against college defenders.
This is the main thing I always look for when evaluating QB; how they handle pressure.

When I watched Keenum and Luck against UCLA in the same year.
One guy faced 4 pressures, the other twenty pluses; they came out with comparable results.
You tell me which guy you like better.

Obviously, in Luck's situation, he has the size and the athleticism going for him.
You have to give him that.
If both guys play smart the same, the big guy should be able to hold on to the ball better when he got sacked.
He should be able to throw over the top with less concern of a batted ball.

The smaller guys have to adjust their game to compensate.
Manziel has plenty qualities that makes him a QB, but he has some draw backs, too. It's normal to me; since I didn't knock on Wilson nor Keenum for their size.

The off-the-field stuffs are less obvious.
All I can say is that I was also young once, like some posters on this board.
The yellow flags that we see come from our own humble experience.
Just look at the majority of the successful QBs in the league.
 
If Johnny Manziel could perform on Reliant Stadium field on Sundays the way he performs on Kyle Field on Saturdays there is no doubt most fans would be all in. The only reason he wouldn't or couldn't would be poor coaching. Johnny Football is a combination of Russell Wilson and Drew Brees. You want to call him a gunslinger, well, so was Bret Farve. Johnny's best games are better than any of today's college QB best game. If it came down to a game winning drive, what college QB hands would you want the football?

How sure am I? I will go out on this limb; Let the games at LSU and Missouri be the judge. He will not disappoint.
 
Texian said:
If Johnny Manziel could perform on Reliant Stadium field on Sundays the way he performs on Kyle Field on Saturdays there is no doubt most fans would be all in. The only reason he wouldn't or couldn't would be poor coaching. Johnny Football is a combination of Russell Wilson and Drew Brees. You want to call him a gunslinger, well, so was Bret Farve. Johnny's best games are better than any of today's college QB best game. If it came down to a game winning drive, what college QB hands would you want the football?

How sure am I? I will go out on this limb; Let the games at LSU and Missouri be the judge. He will not disappoint.
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Our defense might though :overreact:
 
FirstTexansFan said:
Article on why Manziel should win the Heisman again... good read, especially the stats.

http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefoo...-jameis-winston-in-heisman-trophy-race-111213
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I don't think Winston will win it. He's played a total of 5.5 games when you look at snap count and quarters played (Florida State is 9-0). We beat teams early and put our backups in. Pretty sure Winston has only finished one game all year.

Winston is still better in passing efficiency, yards per attempt, and quarterback rating. I think Mariota is too actually.
 
Stemp said:
Nope. Manziel is better at 73% to 69%
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You're talking about completion percentage. I was talking about the passing efficiency described here at sports reference.

Bryce Petty leads the nation in that statistic, followed by Winston, then Manziel.

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Yes. Wingston is slightly better at 192.2 to 186.9
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That's passing efficiency as described above. I was talking about ESPN's QBR.

It has Petty, Mariota, Winston, then Manziel in that order. Top three are within .5 of each other, then Manziel is 4.2 points back of the lowest of the three.

Regardless, they are all playing very well. I was just pointing out that the raw stats of yardage/TDs is slightly skewed for Winston, considering he hasn't been playing in the second half very much. I think that that will hurt his chances. I felt the need to do that considering that article posted says:

So Manziel has played much tougher competition and put up much better stats against that tougher competition
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After the article cited Missouri and LSU as tough competition, yet A&M hasn't played either yet. "Much better stats," as shown above, isn't exactly accurate.

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Through 10 games, here are Manziel's stats as compared with the rest of the nation's top quarterbacks - Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston, Bryce Pettyand AJ McCarron (research via TexAgs.com).
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Interesting that he gives total yards, TDs, etc after stating that the statistics are through 10 games, but doesn't state that the other quarterbacks have only played 9 games, while A&M has played 10.

Not a very "good read" as described.

ESPN has some good articles on the Heisman race. I think it's pretty close, but honestly think that Winston won't play enough in the last 3 games to keep pace with the other guys.
 
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Well, here are the relevant cliff notes :cow:

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I guess it depends on what you consider as relevant and not relevant. Do you penalize players for putting teams away early and sitting out for much if not all of the second half? Does playing less snaps at a higher efficiency hurt you? Is a guy a better player because he has put up more yards and TDs in more snaps in closer games over other guys that are more efficient? Assuming stats are all that matter. National title relevance favors every other Heisman candidate as well.

I could also make a picture just like that that showed QBR and passing efficiency and wouldn't look quite so homer for Aggies, but I don't care enough. Yards per game vs ranked teams is laughable considering FSU smashed the three ranked teams they have played.

Also, don't count out Mariota or Petty. Mariota was having a fantastic year before the Stanford game. He was playing poorly in that game, then got injured. I think he will probably bounce back and get back into it. Petty has an interesting schedule coming up where he could really jump up the Heisman ranks.
 
I would probably give a bonus to players who have a stronger schedule (or at least penalize players who play weaker ones), but what does it for me W/R/T Manziel vs. Winston is that FSU's defense isn't shabby whereas Manziel often can't catch a break.

The fact that his stats are better on the whole are better is just all the more reason to give it to him.
 
bhsman said:
I would probably give a bonus to players who have a stronger schedule (or at least penalize players who play weaker ones), but what does it for me W/R/T Manziel vs. Winston is that FSU's defense isn't shabby whereas Manziel often can't catch a break.

The fact that his stats are better on the whole are better is just all the more reason to give it to him.
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It makes you question what the Heisman trophy is a trophy for. Most valuable player on a championship contender? Best statistical performance? Most efficient player? Most exciting player? Manziel would certainly win most exciting player.

I don't really care too much about trophies like the Heisman. If it were more defined in what exactly constitutes a winner, I would probably be more interested. I like the race overall and award show because you get to see highlights of these guys and get to follow their seasons more easily.

I think all 4 of the guys I have mentioned would be deserving of the award. I actually think McCarron is running 5th right now.
 
TexansSeminole said:
It makes you question what the Heisman trophy is a trophy for? Most valuable player on a championship contender? Best statically performance? Most efficient player?

I don't really care too much about trophies like the Heisman. If it were more defined in what exactly constitutes a winner, I would probably be more interested. I like the race overall and award show because you get to see highlights of these guys and get to follow their seasons more easily.
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Meh, I personally see the Heisman as a sort of league MVP for college football. Manziel might not be as important as other players might be for a team with less national recognition, but considering his contributions, his stats, and who he goes up against (lotsa bonus points for his games against Alabama), he deserves the Heisman.

I think all 4 of the guys I have mentioned would be deserving of the award. I actually think McCarron is running 5th right now.
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:vincepalm: Stuff like that is what I'd want to avoid. McCarron is a bit more talented than the last guy they had at QB but he gets way too much success for what his team has accomplished.
 
Avoid what?

bhsman said:
I would probably give a bonus to players who have a stronger schedule (or at least penalize players who play weaker ones), but what does it for me W/R/T Manziel vs. Winston is that FSU's defense isn't shabby whereas Manziel often can't catch a break.

The fact that his stats are better on the whole are better is just all the more reason to give it to him.
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That goes both ways. Against Wake Forest, FSU defense had 6 interceptions and scored 3 or 4 times. In the first half, the FSU defense scored like 3 times in a row and the offense was barely on the field. That keeps the QB off the field and allows the coach to use his 4 RBs when they do get the ball in a 35-0 game in the 1st quarter. When the defense is allowing teams to score, the QB is going to have more opportunity to pad those stats. So, I don't really see your point, especially if you are going to mostly be looking at statistics.
 
Heaping success on a pedestrian quarterback when he has Alabama's offensive line, running backs, and defense. If not for playing with Alabama those stats wouldn't sniff Heisman.

EDIT: For the record, McCarron has played very well and his play has improved significantly from 2011, but any Heisman talk for him a bit much.
 
Stemp said:
Well, here are the relevant cliff notes :cow:

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Really hard to argue with the numbers.


He's been better this year than he was last year when he won the damn thing.


(I'm no Manziel homer either , I think he's a boom or bust prospect in the NFL and cant make up my mind which is more likely)
 
bhsman said:
Heaping success on a pedestrian quarterback when he has Alabama's offensive line, running backs, and defense. If not for playing with Alabama those stats wouldn't sniff Heisman.

EDIT: For the record, McCarron has played very well and his play has improved significantly from 2011, but any Heisman talk for him a bit much.
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I don't understand.

I said McCarron was running 5th in my mind, behind the 4 players I had previously mentioned (Winston, Manziel, Perry, Mariota).

I think you may have misunderstood.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I don't understand.

I said McCarron was running 5th in my mind, behind the 4 players I had previously mentioned (Winston, Manziel, Perry, Mariota).

I think you may have misunderstood.
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My bad; the comments weren't directed at you specifically, just the general consensus that McCarron is even in the discussion when the success of his team is why we're even talking about him.
 
Stemp said:
Well, here are the relevant cliff notes :cow:

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It would also make more sense to have the statistic be "Total TD/Total Turnovers," rather than "Total TD/Total Interceptions." Interesting to include rushing yards and rushing TDs vs two QBs that don't run the ball almost ever, especially on designed runs, yet not include the corresponding turnover statistic. Awfully convenient.
 
TexansSeminole said:
It would also make more sense to have the statistic be "Total TD/Total Turnovers," rather than "Total TD/Total Interceptions." Interesting to include rushing yards and rushing TDs vs two QBs that don't run the ball almost ever, especially on designed runs, yet not include the corresponding turnover statistic. Awfully convenient.
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It's probably unfair to McCarron whose rushing stats would take a hit from being sacked, but Manziel's rushes are a huge part of why he's successful and why the team is successful. I don't have a problem including it.
 
bhsman said:
It's probably unfair to McCarron whose rushing stats would take a hit from being sacked, but Manziel's rushes are a huge part of why he's successful and why the team is successful. I don't have a problem including it.
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You're missing my point. Rushing stats are part of football and should be included. However, you should include fumbles as well when you are talking about a guy that runs 11 times per game.

Mariota's total TD/interception ratio is 31/0 and that is through 9 games versus Manziel's 10 games (39/11). Mariota is also sporting 8 YPC versus Manziel's 5.6 YPC, with 281.2 passing yards per game and 55 rushing yards per game on less passing attempts and less rushing attempts than Manziel. That would have been a more apt comparison. Even still, it doesn't tell the whole story because Mariota runs the ball 7 times per game and fumbles aren't included.

Including Bryce Petty would also make sense. Through 8 games, 2 less than Manziel, he's got a total TD/interception ratio of 29/1. His passing yards per game of 332.1 is the best in the country and that comes on 81% of the passing attempts per game versus Manziel. He's run at 2.7 YPC for 15 yards per game.

Both those guys are on teams that destroy people early, outside of Oregon in the Stanford game, so they are operating with that statistical crutch, just like McCarron and Winston are.

Anyway, the point was that the picture chooses which athletes and which stats it is using against them. The truth is that the Heisman race is a close one between a number of guys.
 
of course the graphic from a texas a&m based site will support johnny and show stats that favor him, i'm sure the other schools will do the same eventually for their player.

as far as who should win, I think the best question is which player is the most integral to a team's success?

- without winston, florida state possibly has one loss to clemson. maybe. their defense is good enough to overcome and allows winston/any qb to play safely.

- without petty, baylor maybe loses to ksu (somehow) but as we've seen with briles (keenum, robert griffin, petty) his system is plug n' play. they are about to enter the tough stretch of their weak schedule however, but only osu or texas should provide tests.

- oregon without mariota probably has the second most dramatic fall off and even then their running game is strong enough and passing game safe enough (screens/short passes) to get the backup through the games. losses to stanford and toss ups with ucla/u dub.

- without jff, a&m sadly has four losses or more (bama/auburn much worse, ole miss/msu/arkansas go either way). the running game would be a crutch for the backups (joeckel doesn't have the "it" factor and hill is a true freshman who will be good, but just isn't ready) but injuries on the OL have had them underperforming lately. and then there is the defense which is just flat horrible. without johnny against lsu/mizzou, we stand zero chance. i'm not that confident we win even with him because of the defense. johnny knows this and plays that way; going for the big plays because he doesn't trust the defense to make stops like they could last year.


now there is also this rape case going on. nothing like a good media crucifixion to taint what otherwise would be a stellar football season for winston. we'll see if that has any effect on voters, as some have stated they will not vote for manziel due to his off-season notoriety.

TexansSeminole said:
You're missing my point. Rushing stats are part of football and should be included. However, you should include fumbles as well when you are talking about a guy that runs 11 times per game.
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the only fumble I can remember johnny having this year was against ole miss. I don't think the ncaa records lost fumbles individually so I couldn't fact check.
 
That's a lot of "what ifs." I don't think you give an award out based on impossible to predict "what if" scenarios. That's much easier to do in the NFL, where people have much more similar schedules.

Regardless, it's not a consistent estimation.

You describe Petty as a system guy, "plug n' play" as you put it. You are aware that the system is extremely similar to what A&M is running. Briles at UH, Sumlin at UH. This exact same argument can be used against you. Strange that you'd bring that up.

Florida State had arguably a better team last year. The same guys were on the team, except they had multiple first rounders, and the most draft picks by a school on that team also. FSU found a way to lose multiple games, much of it due to EJ's safe style of quarterbacking and indecisiveness. It was part of my knock on him going into the NFL draft. From a performance standpoint, Winston has elevated the team to national title relevance. From a leadership standpoint, he has shown to be much more effective than EJ. The team plays with the type of perseverance that the previous 3 or 4 teams lacked, even though they were supremely talented. Again, a bad comparison considering last year's team is arguably more talented than this year's team. If you've watched Winston, you know that he does not play safely. You could argue that it is his biggest flaw. He consistently throws downfield and sometimes gets caught being greedy. His YPA is very high, higher than Manziel.

Hard to play the what if game with Oregon as they've had Mariota for some time now.

For the record, I don't think Winston will win the Heisman. It actually wouldn't surprise me to see him at 3rd, even 4th by end of year. Voters tend to favor raw stats (total TD, total yards) more than anything, and he just won't be able to compete.

I don't understand why people are acting like Mariota is out of it. I just posted his statistics. They are fantastic. He hasn't even thrown an interception all year. His team has one less loss than A&M and is honestly more relevant. They've also played an arguably tougher schedule to this point. I really don't understand why people would so quickly dismiss him, but prop up Manziel. It's not consistent.

Petty is going to surprise some people and may actually take the lead if Baylor dominates this gauntlet they are about to face at the end of the season.
 
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I don't understand why people are acting like Mariota is out of it. I just posted his statistics. They are fantastic. He hasn't even thrown an interception all year. His team has one less loss than A&M and is honestly more relevant. They've also played an arguably tougher schedule to this point. I really don't understand why people would so quickly dismiss him, but prop up Manziel. It's not consistent.
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I don't think Mariota is out of it, but I do think it will probably take a slip by someone "above" him to pull him back in as a main contender. While he has plenty of impressive stats (especially the 0 interceptions), I think a lot of it comes down to performance in the big games. For Mariota, his performance in the Stanford game was not good - even if the stats don't look bad, when you saw his play, you didn't come out of there thinking he was doing a great job. Compare that to Manziel against Alabama, or compare that to Winston against Clemson. These are the games most of the fans (and Heisman voters) watch, and so peoples' opinions are going to be swayed by that as much as by any statistical compilation. There's also the "what have you done lately" effect. Mariota just recently had one of his worst games. If Manziel comes out flat in either of his last two games (both of which are "big" ones), you'll see him drop out of the discussion, also.

I don't expect Manziel to actually win the Heisman again in any case, since I expect a significant number of voters are convinced that Manziel was misbehaving in the offseason and won't vote for him, or at least will downgrade him for that. If this Winston story has legs, I think that will hurt his chances, also, deservedly or not. Up until that story, I thought Winston was the favorite. So, now you're starting to see people pull folks like Petty and McCarron(!!) into the discussion, and I expect to see Mariota get mentioned as the Stanford game recedes a bit. I don't think it's because they are as impressive as Winston/Manziel, but some people want an alternative to people they see as behavior problems.

As an A&M fan, I am very biased, but the fact that Manti Teo got as many votes as he did last year, when it seemed blatantly obvious that Manziel was the best player of the year, makes me think that voters often are wanting to weight a lot of other subjective factors beyond just football performance. In this regard, I think Manziel goes in with some strikes against him, and if the Winston story doesn't die a quick death, he will, also. Unlike last year, I think the race is a lot closer between the top contenders.
 
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I don't think Mariota is out of it, but I do think it will probably take a slip by someone "above" him to pull him back in as a main contender. While he has plenty of impressive stats (especially the 0 interceptions), I think a lot of it comes down to performance in the big games. For Mariota, his performance in the Stanford game was not good - even if the stats don't look bad, when you saw his play, you didn't come out of there thinking he was doing a great job. Compare that to Manziel against Alabama, or compare that to Winston against Clemson. These are the games most of the fans (and Heisman voters) watch, and so peoples' opinions are going to be swayed by that as much as by any statistical compilation. There's also the "what have you done lately" effect. Mariota just recently had one of his worst games. If Manziel comes out flat in either of his last two games (both of which are "big" ones), you'll see him drop out of the discussion, also.

I don't expect Manziel to actually win the Heisman again in any case, since I expect a significant number of voters are convinced that Manziel was misbehaving in the offseason and won't vote for him, or at least will downgrade him for that. If this Winston story has legs, I think that will hurt his chances, also, deservedly or not. Up until that story, I thought Winston was the favorite. So, now you're starting to see people pull folks like Petty and McCarron(!!) into the discussion, and I expect to see Mariota get mentioned as the Stanford game recedes a bit. I don't think it's because they are as impressive as Winston/Manziel, but some people want an alternative to people they see as behavior problems.

As an A&M fan, I am very biased, but the fact that Manti Teo got as many votes as he did last year, when it seemed blatantly obvious that Manziel was the best player of the year, makes me think that voters often are wanting to weight a lot of other subjective factors beyond just football performance. In this regard, I think Manziel goes in with some strikes against him, and if the Winston story doesn't die a quick death, he will, also. Unlike last year, I think the race is a lot closer between the top contenders.
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Great post.

I wouldn't be surprised or upset if any of the top 4 (not McCarron) guys win it, but then again I don't really care all that much who wins. It would be nice for FSU if Winston wins it, but it's not all that important to me.
 
TexansSeminole said:
I just read that Manziel will decide in the NFL prior to the bowl game. Is there any doubt that he will be leaving A&M?
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Not much. I know someone who is roommates with him, and he says he's decided and is gone. Plans to travel to Cali to train for the draft. Mike Evans is gone as well.

His family wants him to take his time and think about his decision, but it would be a miracle if he stayed IMO.
 
Stemp said:
Not much. I know someone who is roommates with him, and he says he's decided and is gone. Plans to travel to Cali to train for the draft. Mike Evans is gone as well.

His family wants him to take his time and think about his decision, but it would be a miracle if he stayed IMO.
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I figured Evans would be gone too. He looks like a top 10 player at receiver, so I would be shocked if he stayed. Evans has NFL stud written all over him.
 
About to head to A&M vs. LSU, y'all. Win or lose, we'll get to see how Manziel handles the toughest environment in college football. :cowboy1:
 
Watch party time. All the draftniks here are going to be watching Manziel like hawks today, but I think I'm gonna slow down and enjoy the last 3 games of Johnny Football's college career.
 
Yeah...I just watched some manziel stuff and I'll pass. I'd rather have keenum. Need to watch these other qb's but right now bridgewater IMO, is clearly a better player than manziel.

There are a few things that I don't like about his game. He's going to make plays for sure. But I think he needs some major work to be a consistently good qb in the nfl.
 
Rey said:
Yeah...I just watched some manziel stuff and I'll pass. I'd rather have keenum. Need to watch these other qb's but right now bridgewater IMO, is clearly a better player than manziel.

There are a few things that I don't like about his game. He's going to make plays for sure. But I think he needs some major work to be a consistently good qb in the nfl.
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I wouldn't give up my day job.
 
Manziel played his worst game of his college career and in all likelihood closed the door on winning his 2nd Heisman.
 
Texian said:
Manziel played his worst game of his college career and in all likelihood closed the door on winning his 2nd Heisman.
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Aggies can kiss that Heisman goodbye. That's gone.

It's pretty much between Winston and McCarron at this point. If Winston is cleared in all that mess he will get it. If not, McCarron will get it as a career achievement award if Bama wins out.

Mariotta ended his chances today as well. Petty might be able to make a case against OSU.
 
Texian said:
If Johnny Manziel could perform on Reliant Stadium field on Sundays the way he performs on Kyle Field on Saturdays there is no doubt most fans would be all in. The only reason he wouldn't or couldn't would be poor coaching. If it came down to a game winning drive, what college QB hands would you want the football?

How sure am I? I will go out on this limb; Let the games at LSU and Missouri be the judge. He will not disappoint.
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We already lots of QBs who can't score in the 2nd half at Reliant. I guess the Aggie coaching was much worse today than it has been.

Less than 40% completions, less than 5.5 yards per attempt, twice as many INTs as TDs. Meh, I was disappointed.
 
FWIW, I was an LSU fan in the student section and I kept counting dropped passes from Manziel's receivers. The crowd noise can't be thrown out, either; several times I saw Evans or other receivers looking confused about the play and Manziel would fire off a pass to nobody in particular on the ensuing play.
 
Rey said:
I'll trust my evals over yours, thanks though.
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Your evals don't suck, I have the same opinion. "Johnny football" (and that nickname is getting so annoying. Maybe it was that ridiculous music video they made, or the fact that a grown man calls himself "johnny" idk) is not a NFL QB. Great college player no doubt, but his game does not translate to the NFL. His arm is weak, he throws off balance way too much to consistently put the mustard that he needs to on the ball at the next level (and it's not like he had a whole lot of mustard to begin with). He plays too reckless and is way too reckless when running the ball, (he will be on I.R. in no time.) and he abandons the pocket prematurely too much.

Basically the same things that make him so exciting to watch on a college football field are the same things that will cause him failure and bring him a LOT of problems at the next level. He won't be able to just run around on Sundays like he does on Saturdays, so whoever drafts him is basically going to have to re-teach him how to play QB all over again and they will have the difficult task of trying to break him of a lot of bad habits.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Your evals don't suck, I have the same opinion. "Johnny football" (and that nickname is getting so annoying. Maybe it was that ridiculous music video they made, or the fact that a grown man calls himself "johnny" idk) is not a NFL QB. Great college player no doubt, but his game does not translate to the NFL. His arm is weak, he throws off balance way too much to consistently put the mustard that he needs to on the ball at the next level (and it's not like he had a whole lot of mustard to begin with). He plays too reckless and is way too reckless when running the ball, (he will be on I.R. in no time.) and he abandons the pocket prematurely too much.

Basically the same things that make him so exciting to watch on a college football field are the same things that will cause him failure and bring him a LOT of problems at the next level. He won't be able to just run around on Sundays like he does on Saturdays, so whoever drafts him is basically going to have to re-teach him how to play QB all over again and they will have the difficult task of trying to break him of a lot of bad habits.
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There's an awful lot of pro scouts that disagree with both of you.
 
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