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mussop said:
There's an awful lot of pro scouts that disagree with both of you.
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There's an awful lot of pro scouts that agree with us too, so who cares and what does it matter? Opinions are like buttholes.

The guy's playing style does not translate to the pro game and he'll drastically need to change the way he plays, that's my opinion. I don't care what a pro scout says when pro scouts can't even agree and pro scouts are wrong as many times as people that post here. Pro scouts had Blaine Gabbert as a top QB prospect coming out while grading someone like Keenum as not even being worthy of a draft pick. Keenum doesn't even have to become a every day starter in this league.. he's already proven them wrong, because at worst he'll have a long career as a quality backup regardless of how he plays from here on out.

Manziel is too small for the hits he takes because he bails out of the pocket too much, runs around, and won't get his ass on the ground before getting blasted. He was getting tossed around like Raggedy Andy today by LSU defenders and the defenders he'll face at the next level only get bigger and faster.

His footwork needs serious work as well, which is one of the reasons why I think he hangs the ball up in the air too often... because he's always throwing off balance. Which is fantastic and great to watch on the college level, in the NFL it will spell disaster. Again the guy has too many bad habits that are going to have to be broken and some of those bad habits are some of the things that makes him exciting in the college game.. So what kind of player/prospect is he going to be in the NFL when he won't be able to do those type of things? No way in hell would I draft him in the first round, maybe in the 3rd round I'd consider it.
 
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Fred said:
We already lots of QBs who can't score in the 2nd half at Reliant. I guess the Aggie coaching was much worse today than it has been.

Less than 40% completions, less than 5.5 yards per attempt, twice as many INTs as TDs. Meh, I was disappointed.
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Yep, he stubbed his toe no doubt. Many a QB have in Baton Rouge. No surprise that Mariota, Petty and Hundley also had rough days on the gridiron. I have seen enough football to know that no person has ever played this game great in every week of every year of every game they play. Pretty much everyone was disappointed in Manziel's performance yesterday.
 
Texian said:
Yep, he stubbed his toe no doubt. Many a QB have in Baton Rouge. No surprise that Mariota, Petty and Hundley also had rough days on the gridiron. I have seen enough football to know that no person has ever played this game great in every week of every year of every game they play. Pretty much everyone was disappointed in Manziel's performance yesterday.
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Yea, it happens. That offense relies so heavily on the QB, if he doesn't play well it gets ugly real fast. There isn't much of a running game to turn to. Alternatively, if he plays well he can really put up crazy stats.

Just one of those games.
 
mussop said:
There's an awful lot of pro scouts that disagree with both of you.
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Your football takes are like a virgin talking about sex.

I'm not even sure why people are responding to you with actual thoughts. You haven't said anything.
 
Carr Bombed said:
There's an awful lot of pro scouts that agree with us too, so who cares and what does it matter? Opinions are like buttholes.

The guy's playing style does not translate to the pro game and he'll drastically need to change the way he plays, that's my opinion. I don't care what a pro scout says when pro scouts can't even agree and pro scouts are wrong as many times as people that post here. Pro scouts had Blaine Gabbert as a top QB prospect coming out while grading someone like Keenum as not even being worthy of a draft pick. Keenum doesn't even have to become a every day starter in this league.. he's already proven them wrong, because at worst he'll have a long career as a quality backup regardless of how he plays from here on out.

Manziel is too small for the hits he takes because he bails out of the pocket too much, runs around, and won't get his ass on the ground before getting blasted. He was getting tossed around like Raggedy Andy today by LSU defenders and the defenders he'll face at the next level only get bigger and faster.

His footwork needs serious work as well, which is one of the reasons why I think he hangs the ball up in the air too often... because he's always throwing off balance. Which is fantastic and great to watch on the college level, in the NFL it will spell disaster. Again the guy has too many bad habits that are going to have to be broken and some of those bad habits are some of the things that makes him exciting in the college game.. So what kind of player/prospect is he going to be in the NFL when he won't be able to do those type of things? No way in hell would I draft him in the first round, maybe in the 3rd round I'd consider it.
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I agree with about 90% of what you are saying but.. Keenum hasn't proved anything yet.. he hasn't won a single game yet.
 
For me it's not even that he bails out too early. Keenum bails early at times too...but one of the differences between them for me is that keenum looks like a natural passer. To me. He looks like a qb. Manziel to me looks like an athlete/playmaker at qb.

He throws fade away passes and pushes his throws even when not being pressured. He looks like he has to line up his passes instead of just hitting that back foot and flicking it to the receiver.

Look at some clips of bridgewater or even Jameis Winston in the pocket making throws, and then look at manziel. It's like he struggles to just drop back like a normal qb, read the defense and step into his throw. It's like before every snap he's thinking "oh ****! Here we go!"...

I'm just saying i think he has a lot of work to do, and it's going to come down to whether he humbles himself enough to do that, and can actually focus himself.


Can someone that regularly watched a&m say what he's improved on from last year to this year? I ask because for uoyoung players in college you should see significant improvement from year to year. Where has manziels biggest improvements come?
 
silvrhand said:
I agree with about 90% of what you are saying but.. Keenum hasn't proved anything yet.. he hasn't won a single game yet.
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So you don't think with what he's shown in his first 4 starts that he won't at least be able to be a quality backup.. Have you seen who's backing up starters in this league. David Carr scratched out a career as a career backup, Dan Orlovsky scratched out a career as a backup, as did Curtis Painter. I disagree, Keenum has already proven NFL scouts wrong as even if all he does is become a quality backup, he's already proven he was worth a draft selection.

As far as wins, that's not all on the QB.. he put us in position to beat the Colts and drove us late into field goal range. He has played well enough for us to win.
 
Johnny has vastly improved at throwing from the pocket. Biggest disappointment for me though is that I may now agree that his game won't translate to the pros. LSU and their speed is about the closest thing you will get to an NFL defense in college football. Alabama may have more overall talent, but LSU has the speed to match the pro game. LSU is Manziel's kryptonite and if that is the case, the NFL will be his kryptonite as well.

I doubt it will happen, but I hope this shellacking makes Manziel really question whether or not he is ready to go pro. In my opinion, he needs another year in college and another shot at LSU.
 
I have to say though that I completely quit reading Carr Bombed's posts after he said Manziel has a weak arm. Does he have Elway or Vick's arm? No. Does he have Matt Schaub's arm? Not even close. Dumbass statement.
 
Rey said:
For me it's not even that he bails out too early. Keenum bails early at times too...but one of the differences between them for me is that keenum looks like a natural passer. To me. He looks like a qb. Manziel to me looks like an athlete/playmaker at qb.

He throws fade away passes and pushes his throws even when not being pressured. He looks like he has to line up his passes instead of just hitting that back foot and flicking it to the receiver.

Look at some clips of bridgewater or even Jameis Winston in the pocket making throws, and then look at manziel. It's like he struggles to just drop back like a normal qb, read the defense and step into his throw. It's like before every snap he's thinking "oh ****! Here we go!"...

I'm just saying i think he has a lot of work to do, and it's going to come down to whether he humbles himself enough to do that, and can actually focus himself.


Can someone that regularly watched a&m say what he's improved on from last year to this year? I ask because for uoyoung players in college you should see significant improvement from year to year. Where has manziels biggest improvements come?
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I think it's in his best interests to return to school next year, if he comes out this year, he's way too raw. To me even though he has lit it up in college, he's a project QB at this point. They are two completely different games.

The dude needs to spend another year in the NCAA not just for football reasons, but he also needs to mature a little bit as well... I don't think he's mentally ready to make the jump yet.
 
I don't think I've talked about the draft on this board since the 2005 offseason. Now that history seems to be repeating itself...

I respect Johnny's athleticism but I'm not very impressed with his character. I could care less about him acting like a rap mogul or getting thrown out of frat parties or flashing money on Twitter.

The dealbreaker with me is Johnny quitting/ getting thrown out of the Manning Passing Academy. This is a pretty big indicator of poor work ethic IMO.
 
Say Watt said:
I have to say though that I completely quit reading Carr Bombed's posts after he said Manziel has a weak arm. Does he have Elway or Vick's arm? No. Does he have Matt Schaub's arm? Not even close. Dumbass statement.
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Umm I guess then you didn't read the part where I said when he steps into his throws he has a adequate arm... there's a problem though, he doesn't consistently do that. And I guess you must have turned off your TV when the people who called yesterday's game REPEDETLY said the same thing. Nice job at even trying to be partial here (or even attempting to debate any other things I said about his game)... and yes, with the way he plays, when you don't set your feet (which Schaub does), you can have a stronger arm than Schaub (and it isn't that much stronger) and still fails when you consistently throw off balance. His throwing base flat out sucks.

All I'm doing here is replying to a Dumbass quote so what gives. :rolleyes:

I should know better though, anbody who doesn't recognize that Manziel doesn't have issues with hanging a ball up to dry every once in awhile isn't even someone worth responding to and is probably just a A&M fan.

2006 meet 2014.. Old boss (Vince) same as the new boss (Manziel) :vincepalm: Here we go again.. oh boy. This is going to be a fantastic offseason isn't it.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Umm I guess then you didn't read the part where I said when he steps into his throws he has a adequate arm... there's a problem though, he doesn't consistently do that. And I guess you must have turned off your TV when the people who called yesterday's game REPEDETLY said the same thing. Nice job at even trying to be partial here (or even attempting to debate any other things I said about his game)... and yes, with the way he plays, when you don't set your feet (which Schaub does), you can have a stronger arm than Schaub (and it isn't that much stronger) and still fails when you consistently throw off balance. His throwing base flat out sucks.

All I'm doing here is replying to a Dumbass quote so what gives. :rolleyes:

I should know better though, anbody who doesn't recognize that Manziel doesn't have issues with hanging a ball up to dry every once in awhile isn't even someone worth responding to and is probably just a A&M fan.

2006 meet 2014.. Old boss (Vince) same as the new boss (Manziel) :vincepalm: Here we go again.. oh boy. This is going to be a fantastic offseason isn't it.
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It has nothing to do with 2006, because honestly I don't want us to draft Manziel this year. As I said above, LSU and their speed is about as close as you will get to mimicking the pro game and both times he played them, Johnny laid an egg. What I responded to was you claiming he had a weak arm, which I disagree with. I'll agree like an QB when he doesn't step into his throws, he looks like he has a weak arm.

As for his weaknesses, I'd agree that although he has gotten better at passing from the pocket, he still looks to run far too often. He also looks jittery back that as even inside of the pocket, he seems to run all over the place as opposed to keeping his feet set and simply side stepping oncoming rushers. Like almost any young player, the guy has his issues. All I am attempting to combat is the emotional ignorance displayed by some of the posters in here that just can't stand A&M and don't like Manziel's personality and thus just ache for him to fail. It's quite abnormal.
 
Say Watt said:
All I am attempting to combat is the emotional ignorance displayed by some of the posters in here that just can't stand A&M and don't like Manziel's personality and thus just ache for him to fail. It's quite abnormal.
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Good Luck with that. It may be an exercise in futility.
 
Texian said:
Good Luck with that. It may be an exercise in futility.
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This isn't a UT board here. Nobody really gives a crap about A&M football here outside of A&M fans.. I mean how many Texas NCAA teams here even play against them any more.

This is mostly a NFL board, so when people present opinions about A&M football or about a A&M player, it's coming from a NFL perspective. Look at your boy Mathews.. how many people are hating on him? How many people hated on Von Miller? Just because we think Manziel isn't GOD, doesn't mean everyone here hates on A&M football.
 
Carr Bombed said:
This isn't a UT board here. Nobody really gives a crap about A&M football here outside of A&M fans.. I mean how many Texas NCAA teams here even play against them any more.

This is mostly a NFL board, so when people present opinions about A&M football or about a A&M player, it's coming from a NFL perspective. Look at your boy Mathews.. how many people are hating on him? How many people hated on Von Miller? Just because we think Manziel isn't GOD, doesn't mean everyone here hates on A&M football.
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I wasn't talking about anyone else but you CB. I don't think Manziel is a god as I detailed clearly in my post. He has issues, and I am happy to admit as much. But sounding like a total idiot by picking out faults of Manziel that aren't even accurate criticism just makes you sound uneducated.
 
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Since we will likely have the #1 pick, I'd go bridgewater. I think he's a far superior qb to manziel.
 
Rey said:
Since we will likely have the #1 pick, I'd go bridgewater. I think he's a far superior qb to manziel.
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I have only seen about 3 quarters of Bridgewater this year, so my opinion has very little support behind it. However, I am not sold on him being a true franchise QB. I don't know what it is, and maybe I caught him on a bad day or something. I do plan to watch more though, so I should have a better opinion in the future.
 
rmartin65 said:
I have only seen about 3 quarters of Bridgewater this year, so my opinion has very little support behind it. However, I am not sold on him being a true franchise QB. I don't know what it is, and maybe I caught him on a bad day or something. I do plan to watch more though, so I should have a better opinion in the future.
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Yeah...well, if/when we cement that first overall I'll be hoping for him or clowney.

ATM, I wouldn't pick anyone else there. Another option is a trade down but it wouldn't leave the first round without a qb. And it'd be an absolutely no for manziel.
 
Rey said:
Since we will likely have the #1 pick, I'd go bridgewater. I think he's a far superior qb to manziel.
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I think I would probably go Bridgewater as well. I'm not sold on him, but he seems worth the risk. Good athletic ability and a big arm. Can really fling the ball down the field effortlessly. Also has the size to play in the NFL. We'd have to be in the late teens to 20s for me to really consider drafting Manziel after both of the LSU games.
 
Say Watt said:
I wasn't talking about anyone else but you CB. Well you and Marcus as both of you think every opinion you express or hold onto is given to you directly by God Himself. Your narcissistic view of yourself and your perspective is extremely unbecoming. I don't think Manziel is a god as I detailed clearly in my post. He has issues, and I am happy to admit as much. But sounding like a total idiot by picking out faults of Manziel that aren't even accurate criticism just makes you sound uneducated.
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LMFAO... WOW.

You just confirmed it. Your are a complete A&M homer. Own it, be proud of it.

Hell I don't even know what "Marcus" has even told you, but the fact that you can even point to two completely different posters who don't even agree on everything or don't even know what the hell they've both told you confirms it...

What a complete moron..

Look up the posts you've have posted in this thread.. you have come off like a complete butthurt Nancy, all because people don't kiss Manziel's ass. All in the mean time, you say you agree with some of the flaws that I've brought up about him, so what the hell are you even talking about? Give me a freaking break. And then you want to claim you won't read my responses any more, well please don't, because I'm getting tired of your emotional responses that are strictly tied to your A&M fandom. I didn't give a crap about the UT fandom over VY (and I'm a UT fan) and I certainly don't give a crap about the Johnny football fandom either. I hope neither ever step foot on my professional team's property, because in a lot of ways they're cut from the same cloth.. as is the clowns who worship them.

Hey Texan fans.. this is what you have to look forward to. If you don't think Manziel is the answer, the A&M bunch will think every opinion you have is handed down by "GOD". :vincepalm: give me a break. It's going to be a fun offseason huh. :gun:

BTW this is the second time I've had to post this, because for some reason it happened to get deleted as the person I responded to happened to be able to completely change what he originally typed (but luckily I back stuff up huh) so this is the original draft)

P.S.,

fantastic how you edited the posts above as not to include Marcus into your little tantrum... luckily I back crap like this up huh? I guess God told me to. :rolleyes:
 
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Say Watt said:
I'm the emotional moron here? Facepalm indeed. :vincepalm:
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So you delete the argument you respond to.. ummkay. And you accuse me of being uneducated.

BTW

I'm forwarding all of this to Marcus as well. I just feel obligated to. If you're going to talk crap about someone, at least back it, stand by it, or don't say anything at all... certainty don't just erase it.
 
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Rey said:
Yeah...well, if/when we cement that first overall I'll be hoping for him or clowney.

ATM, I wouldn't pick anyone else there. Another option is a trade down but it wouldn't leave the first round without a qb. And it'd be an absolutely no for manziel.
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Clowney worries me- fantastic talent, but that motor...

But yeah, if we can't trade out of the pick, those two are definitely the guys it is down to. Manziel... ha, no way.
 
At this point for me, Johnny Manziel is a slightly better version of this guy. The only real thing that separates them is Manziel's got a better coach & their offenses are different from a gimmick standpoint. Sumlin doesn't ask Manziel to run nearly as much as Rodriguez asked Robinson to. Manziel's also got a little more around him than Robinson did as well.
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Say Watt said:
I think I would probably go Bridgewater as well. I'm not sold on him, but he seems worth the risk. Good athletic ability and a big arm. Can really fling the ball down the field effortlessly. Also has the size to play in the NFL. We'd have to be in the late teens to 20s for me to really consider drafting Manziel after both of the LSU games.
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Going forward I suggest you pay special attention to Bridgewater's deep pass and the trajectory and the amount of air he has to put under it. Also at 6'3" and 205 lbs he is a bit frail. I am also interested in his hand size. At this point IMHO he could be a poor man's Geno Smith.
 
Texian said:
If this were true he would have thrown for close to 4000 yards and been a Heisman candidate, but he wasn't.
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different offenses yield different results uncle nate.....

& Robinson actually was a candidate going into his jr. sesaon i believe. & tell me again how manziel's numbers in college are going to help him in the NFL?

Lol, you seem to be caught up in numbers instead of looking at a player for what he is.....

Dude is an athlete playing the qb position....nothing wrong with that. Just admit it...you'll be better for it.
 
The game cost manziel the heisman and several drafts spots. He will likely still get drafted but probably late first or early second. His teammates, especially the oline did him no favors and that int was on the receiver.

He needs a big performance against Missouri to help himself. Another egg laying and he may be waiting well into day 2 before he heard his name called.
 
Mr teX said:
different offenses yield different results uncle nate.....

& Robinson actually was a candidate going into his jr. sesaon i believe. & tell me again how manziel's numbers in college are going to help him in the NFL?

Lol, you seem to be caught up in numbers instead of looking at a player for what he is.....

Dude is an athlete playing the qb position....nothing wrong with that. Just admit it...you'll be better for it.
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Manziel's numbers in college will help him in the same way that Luck and RGIII numbers in college helped them.

I will admit I seen Manziel do things on a football field as a QB that no QB has done before. I do expect that as a NFL QB he will be better than Wilson and Kaepernick and I see Manziel playing with a Bret Farve gunslinger's mentality....Whew, I feel better now, thanks!
 
Texian said:
Manziel's numbers in college will help him in the same way that Luck and RGIII numbers in college helped them.

I will admit I seen Manziel do things on a football field as a QB that no QB has done before. I do expect that as a NFL QB he will be better than Wilson and Kaepernick and I see Manziel playing with a Bret Farve gunslinger's mentality....Whew, I feel better now, thanks!
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Texian said:
and I thought you were smart enough to know, it doesn't take a lot of neurons to be in the know. :)
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we've been round and round on this before, i know you're most likely dead serious. I just chose to let sleeping dogs lay is all...largely b/c there's enough dissention out on him amongst real NFL scouts to validate what myself and others seem to see that you don't.

& to be truthful the only come back your types have is.."bu bu bu, look at his stats!!!!" Which quite honestly isn't a come back at all.

It's all too familiar around here.

1st it was VY and his "he just wins!!!" fan boys...they got obliterated once he started playing in the NFL and looked like trash.......although there are remnants of them around still deluded in thinking this dude can play.

We are currently entering the last days of the Keenum brigade's "give case a chance!!" campaign...Well he's getting his chance...& things aren't looking good.


So honestly i don't expect anything different with the Manziel "look what he's doing in the SEC" fanboys..
 
Texian said:
If this were true he would have thrown for close to 4000 yards and been a Heisman candidate, but he wasn't.
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Actually his Sophomore year he threw for 2570 yards and ran for 1702 (which was an NCAA record for rush yards by a QB) and had 32 total TD's. He finished 6th in Heisman voting and was a leading candidate going into his Junior year.
 
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Actually his Sophomore year he threw for 2570 yards and ran for 1702 (which was an NCAA record for rush yards by a QB) and had 32 total TD's. He finished 6th in Heisman voting and was a leading candidate going into his Junior year.
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a far cry from Manziel's "Freshman Year".
 
Texian said:
a far cry from Manziel's "Freshman Year".
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Again, they played in different offenses. As we talked about earlier in the week, Manziel played in an offense that threw the ball 60% of the time. Robinson played in an offense that threw the ball 40% of the time.

And Manziel was a RS Freshman his first year as a starter. Robinson was a true Sophomore. They were both in their 2nd year in the program.
 
Mr teX said:
real NFL scouts to validate what myself and others seem to see that you don't.
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I don't consider you and U of H and Case fans to be real NFL scouts and as for VY he scored a 6 on the Wunderlic and has the work ethic JaMarcus Russell....do I need to say more?
 
WolverineFan said:
Again, they played in different offenses. As we talked about earlier in the week, Manziel played in an offense that threw the ball 60% of the time. Robinson played in an offense that threw the ball 40% of the time.

And Manziel was a RS Freshman his first year as a starter. Robinson was a true Sophomore. They were both in their 2nd year in the program.
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Sounds like more excuses....either that or a Big Ten fan's 2 cents worth. Take it for what it's worth.
 
WolverineFan said:
Again, they played in different offenses. As we talked about earlier in the week, Manziel played in an offense that threw the ball 60% of the time. Robinson played in an offense that threw the ball 40% of the time.

And Manziel was a RS Freshman his first year as a starter. Robinson was a true Sophomore. They were both in their 2nd year in the program.
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You're wasting your breath man....dude is in the full throws of "manziel mania"...It's similar to "tebow time" only its much more contagious for folks like us considering that we are virtually at ground zero seeing as though college station is so close.
 
Mr teX said:
You're wasting your breath man....dude is in the full throws of "manziel mania"...It's similar to "tebow time" only its much more contagious for folks like us considering that we are virtually at ground zero seeing as though college station is so close.
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Contrary to your popular belief, I have no affiliation to Texas A&M whatsoever. The same is true about Baylor and me having no connection at all when I was all in for RGIII. FYI AN FWIW prior to the 2012 season I said the Texans would be in the predicament they're in today and no you you never saw it coming.
 
Mr teX said:
You're wasting your breath man....dude is in the full throws of "manziel mania"...It's similar to "tebow time" only its much more contagious for folks like us considering that we are virtually at ground zero seeing as though college station is so close.
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Yea I think I'm done arguing with him. It's pointless. He doesn't understand how to differentiate between offenses. He thinks Michael Vick ran a spread offense in 1999 and that Graham Harrell and Johnny Manziel played in completely different offenses. It's impossible to have a reasonable debate with a guy who uses stats to validate his argument and then shoots down the stats you use in a counter argument.
 
Texian said:
Contrary to your popular belief, I have no affiliation to Texas A&M whatsoever. The same is true about Baylor and me having no connection at all when I was all in for RGIII. FYI AN FWIW prior to the 2012 season I said the Texans would be in the predicament they're in today and no you you never saw it coming.
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I argued for us to tank for Luck in 2012, FWIW. I still think we should have. The Colts did and look at them now.
 
Texian said:
I don't consider you and U of H and Case fans to be real NFL scouts and as for VY he scored a 6 on the Wunderlic and has the work ethic JaMarcus Russell....do I need to say more?
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Lol, you're using wonderlic scores now to validate your man love? Desperate a bit much? Ok Mike Mamula scored a 49...Dan Marino scored in the mid teens...frank gore also scored a 6..what the wonderlic test proves more than anything is that it's pretty much worthless in predicting anything when it comes to the NFL.

& umm Ok, so your boy couldn't be professional enough to show up to a manning passing camp without a hangover...do i need to say more?
 
Mr teX said:
You're wasting your breath man....dude is in the full throws of "manziel mania"...It's similar to "tebow time" only its much more contagious for folks like us considering that we are virtually at ground zero seeing as though college station is so close.
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Tebow time was bad around here. I posted a lengthy post about why his success had everything to do with scheme and his power running abilities back then. There were people on the board that didn't want to see that either, but it was nothing like what people were saying around here in Florida. They thought he was going to be the GOAT.
 
WolverineFan said:
Yea I think I'm done arguing with him. It's pointless. He doesn't understand how to differentiate between offenses. He thinks Michael Vick ran a spread offense in 1999 and that Graham Harrell and Johnny Manziel played in completely different offenses. It's impossible to have a reasonable debate with a guy who uses stats to validate his argument and then shoots down the stats you use in a counter argument.
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You've clearly demonstrated that you've a very strong bias against the SEC and SEC players. Therefore it is very hard to accept with any credibility your evaluation of any SEC player. Like many a Big Ten fan you've illustrated through many of your post your dislike, jealousy and envy of the SEC, SEC teams and SEC players.....and I explained why Vick wouldn't be as successful and Texas A&M would have less wins if Vick had been the Aggie QB the last two years.
 
htownfan32 said:
Getting blown out by the Arizona Cardinals and the St. Louis Rams? :kitten:

Just poking.
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That's a valid point. My point is they found their franchise guy and look at them now. Luck has a horrible team around him and they still went to the playoffs last year and will win the division this year. Imagine what they look like when he has talent around him.
 
rmartin65 said:
Clowney worries me- fantastic talent, but that motor...

But yeah, if we can't trade out of the pick, those two are definitely the guys it is down to. Manziel... ha, no way.
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Clowney worried me in the sense that I don't think he'll be as good as he could be. And I don't know what defense we'll be running and ect....

But when I think back to Mario, he was kind of disappointing in the sense of his expectations...but he was far superior to anything we have rushing from the edge now. Right now, Mario and jj watt rushing the passer sounds pretty good...to me....

I really haven't looked at every player. I can only speak on the guys I've seen...so there very well could be a pass rusher I like more. But I do know that clowney is a guy that will put some stress on olines and qb's.

But really, I there's no way id pass on bridgewater with the top pick. Not with the info I currently have.
 
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