I like a lot of guys for this offense, but truthfully, I'd like to see keenum get a legit chance to start.
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I like a lot of guys for this offense, but truthfully, I'd like to see keenum get a legit chance to start.
Wolf
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kingtexan
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htownfan32
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Manziel just went down grabbing his knee.
kingtexan
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Yep, so much for JFF this season.
Non-contact knee injuries are typically ACL/MCL related.
TexansSeminole
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Well, he is out there playing again, so it may not be serious.
He did the same thing to his knee last year against Mizzou. He's fine. He needs to trust his reads more though this game. Receivers are running open and he's not seeing them.
htownfan32
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So much for your comment.
Stemp
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Say Watt
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Johnny F'n Football. Honestly, he is the most exciting player I have ever watched play football. The guy has the leadership, intangibles, plus the athletic ability. Occasionally gets a little too full of himself and makes poor decisions but in crunch time, there simply is no one better in college football than Johnny Manziel. Incredible, gutsy performance.
2012Champs
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I like watching him play but if/when he moves to the nfl his is ether going to be a fumble king or will have to learn how to tuck the ball and no hold it 1-3 feet from his body
Yep,
But that's an easy thing to fix.
2 things really suprised me about JM this yr.
1. His arm appears to be much stronger this yr than last.
2. He's much stronger than last yr. He put his shoulder into the Ole Miss spy and the guy left the field on a stretcher. When is the last time you've seen that happen. JM is slippery nobody seems to be able to get a clean shot on him.
kingtexan
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Glad to see it. I think he has a great future in the NFL and would like to see him win the Heisman again. It looked bad at first, but glad I was wrong.
2012Champs
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He is tough but he didn't put his shoulder into that spy. If you watch it again the ole miss guy hits is neck/head on jm's hip
Stemp
Brew Master
True. But he did run over a guy in an earlier game.
Mr teX
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Simple physics...he runs with the ball and his arm flailing like that b/c it helps him keep his balance on those sharp cuts he makes.....he gets to the NFL, he'll either be a fumble machine like 2012 champs says or he won't be nearly as elusive b/c coaches will make him tuck the ball in....
You guys already know where i stand....
In a field...all by yourself? Yeah, we know you hate Johnny.
mr. peebs
gig 'em
Mr teX
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It's just my opinion obviously.....but i've seen it too many times to be convinced that he'll be any different from the guys before him. Any time as a qb your 1st instinct is to run...not really comfortable sitting in the pocket.... most of the plays you make when its crunch time are of you running....
add to that, the whole system qb thing, the bad mechanics at times
Those things don't project to make a good NFL qb....
b0ng
Bad Hombre
Exhibit like 57234502812 to go with my previous post.
Mr teX
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You wanna see my evidence? Just look at every running qb to come out of college the last umpteen years...Hell, it's probablyy easier to name the few who have had limited success in the NFL that were runners coming out of college.
Unlike you and a few others, i'm not afraid of being wrong...don't think i am on this one though.
htownfan32
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Manziel's game tying drive from the Ole Miss game.
Drive resulting in a TD, starting at the Texas A&M 25
1st and 10 at TA&M 25
Manziel throws completion, a short 3 yard pass to Mike Evans, who is unable to break a tackle.
2nd and 7 at TA&M 28
Manziel throws completion, 24 yards to Malcolme Kennedy on a long crossing pattern, tackled at the Ole Miss 48.
1st and 10 at OM 48
Manziel incomplete on a PA pass to Sabian Holmes
2nd and 10 at OM 48
Ben Malena rush 5 yards to OM 43
3rd and 5 at OM 43
Trey Williams rush -2 yards to OM 45
4th and 7 at OM 45
Manziel rush 13 yards to OM 32
On this play Manziel hung in the back for quite a while, and went through his reads before taking off. Everyone was covered. Ole Miss rushed three, kept a spy on Manziel, and had everyone else covered. There was a short checkdown available but it would have resulted in a turnover and Manziel did not throw to it. He did not look once and tuck. There were a solid 6-7 seconds of him just standing around waiting for someone to get open. This was the play the Ole Miss player, Serderius Bryant, was injured.
1st and 10 at OM 32
Manziel throws complete on a short crossing route by Mike Evans for 26 yards. This is the play Mike Evans hurdled over a Ole Miss player.The pass itself was only 4-5 yards, the rest was YAC. Had the first tackle been made, the pass would have been about 12-16 yards, but Evans added the other 10 out of his own sheer effort.
1st and Goal at OM 6
Manziel rushes 6 yards for a touchdown. On this play it was a designed rollout to the right but Manziel sees the defense overloading and cuts it back to the left for a TD, diving for the pylon.
Your criticisms are all a year old. This year Manziel has happily sat in the pocket and picked apart defenses with his arm. Only in the Ole Miss game did he resort to his legs similar to last year, and I blame that on the offensive game plan. Ole Miss was playing the pass, and Malena/Williams/Carson were ripping off good gains on the ground. A&M has a solid stable of RBs and the OC should have pounded the rock to keep the defense honest before unleashing the air raid. Instead the offense went with an empty backfield too many times.
Mr teX
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No...they arent....he still has this tendency....he has an over-reliance on his athleticism.....plays that have to be made 7-10 yards, it's highly likely he's taking off and running to convert them. That's cool in college..you can get away with it when you're one of the best athletes on the field...Look at that drive above...4th and 7 when they had to have a conversion....he took off.
"hung in the back" is not the same as standing tall in the pocket.....i remember that play well..he was waaayy in the back and any time anyone remotely made a step to him he was setting up to bail....watching the rush a little too much. Any time anyone gets close to him he's pretty much bailing out of the pocket. The mere fact you had to throw that whole explanation in there illustrates my point. If he proliferates that tendency in the
NFL teams will conspire to keep him in the pocket and make him beat them throwing....maybe he can learn to...who knows...his mindset has to change though.
He's got VY syndrome..."oh....well i can get that running...not worried about these guys being able to catch me..." Well, there's alot of guys up there who can catch you...
Jeff Garcia is his ceiling...tops......and that's if he gets into the right system, with the right coach and he learns to think pass 1st instead of run.....hey thats good right?
htownfan32
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After Serderius Bryant got injured, they showed a replay of that 4th and 7 rushing conversion using the overhanging camera from right behind Manziel. For a moment you got to see what Manziel would have been seeing.
All his receivers were covered. Manziel had three options - throw it into coverage and risk a pick or an incompletion that would result in a turnover, throw it out of bounds and turn the ball over, or pick up 7 yards rushing.
Would you rather have Texas A&M turn the ball over on downs? It was a do-or-die play and you're criticizing him for making it by himself, especially when there was no other way?
If Andrew Luck did the same thing on 4th and 7 we would have all been rah-rahing about how clutch he is. You're arguing using preconception.
Stemp
Brew Master
Haters gonna hate. Logic and objectiveness have no meaning to them. Everything is colored by their preconceived notions. Good decisions are dismissed or explained away and bad ones are used as proof.
It's also obvious he hasn't watched or paid attention to many games he's played this year with the statement "plays that have to be made 7-10 yards, it's highly likely he's taking off and running to convert them." That's high comedy for anyone who actually pays attention.
It's also obvious he hasn't watched or paid attention to many games he's played this year with the statement "plays that have to be made 7-10 yards, it's highly likely he's taking off and running to convert them." That's high comedy for anyone who actually pays attention.
Mr teX
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I've watched all but 2 of his games this year....seems to me you're the 1 not paying attention..maybe you dont want to. Really dont care...all i know is the numbers are on my side when it comes to qb's like him....
For all this uproar about running qbs and spread offenses "taking over" the nfl, the best qb's in the NFL are still the guys who can sit in the pocket and comfortably make the throws....The best qb prospects to come out over the last decade or so....mostly pocket passers...deal with it.
Stemp
Brew Master
How about some facts from the last game.
57 plays between 5 and 10 yards where Manziel rushed or passed
12 rushes, 45 passes
Of those 12 rushes only 4 were not on first down.
So explain to me how throwing the ball 79% of the time on plays between 5 and 10 yards is "highly likely he's taking off and running to convert"??
Johnny was 31/39 for 346 yards and a 79% completion rate.
So.... what game were you watching again?
Texian
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Mr teX
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Lol, you pick 1 game, highlight a few things and think you're proving something? I only used the 7-10 yard range b/c thats the range in which he's most likely to be able to pick it up running the ball...it'd be quite silly of him to think he could pick up a first down running the ball on anything more than that....he's gotta sit back and try to throw it on anything over 10 yards.
But How about the fact that he's had double digit carries in 1/2 the games this year with a high of 19 last week...some of those are designed runs...but still too many for a qb..
How about the fact that of his 5 ints, 3 have come in the red zone?
He trusts his legs more than his arm....common thing with running qbs.
htownfan32
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Three of his interceptions are tipped passes by his own receivers.
Shredding Alabama's secondary to the tune of 400+ yards passing is trusting his legs over his arm?
oooookay.
Stemp
Brew Master
And comments like these show how ridiculous you are. Your statements contradict each other as well as the facts and you just dismiss facts that prove you are wrong.
First, I used the statement you made and even expanded the amount to 5- 10 yards and the facts still proved you wrong.
The game I picked WAS his highest rushing amount of the year, so wouldn't that be the best and most extreme example to use? If you statement is true, wouldn't the game he rushed the most have the best chance to prove your right? Too bad the facts prove you wrong.
Second, how can you state "He trusts his legs more than his arm....common thing with running qbs." when the sentence RIGHT BEFORE you said " of his 5 ints, 3 have come in the red zone?" If he trusted his legs more, WOULDN'T THE MAJORITY OF HIS INT'S BE OUTSIDE THE REDZONE? In fact, the problem is he trusts his arm a bit too much, ESPECIALLY in the redzone. If he trusts his legs, wouldn't the majority of his rushes be on 2nd, 3rd or 4th down when they need a 1st down? So why did he only run a small percentage of those plays when he had he ball in his hand?
Does manziel run more than pocket QBs? Yes, of course. He's got speed and vision any offense would be wise to take advantage of that, just like they do with russell wilson, who rushes 25% of his touches, Colin Kaepernic who rushes 17%, and RG3 who rushed 24% last year (prior to the injury).
You wear hater glasses when you watch Manziel play and it distorts your view of what is actually happening and the fact that your opinions are factually wrong.
FirstTexansFan
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Blah blah blah.... Bitter .... Blah blah blah.... UofH fan.... Blah blah blah.... I know more than you ..... Blah blah blah ..... We beat OU... Blah blah blah 
Mr teX
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You say im factually wrong....then agree with me in the same post......
Too much garbage to debunk in your post....You obviously feel and see something 1 way...i feel and see something another. Lets just leave it at that....
Mr teX
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Blah blah blah.... Bitter .... Blah blah blah.... UofH fan.... Blah blah blah.... I know more than you ..... Blah blah blah ..... We beat OU... Blah blah blah
??????
Stemp
Brew Master
I didn't agree with you an anything. You said he trusts his legs too much. I said he trusts his ARM too much.
I said he runs more than pocket passers, but he doesn't take off as soon as anyone comes near him, at least not this season.
Too much garbage. Facts are garbage to you I guess.
MrTex watching Johnny Manziel
Mr teX
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I didn't agree with you an anything. You said he trusts his legs too much. I said he trusts his ARM too much.
I said he runs more than pocket passers, but he doesn't take off as soon as anyone comes near him, at least not this season.
Too much garbage. Facts are garbage to you I guess.
MrTex watching Johnny Manziel
You still have yet to debunk the fact that running qbs in the nfl dont last in the Nfl or at least tremendously change their game to become more pocket passer types when they enter and your boy will inevitably have to change his game...deal with that huge fact...
And if im blind watching him play and saying what im saying, i guess there's gonna be a whole lot of blind people come nfl combine and scout eval time..
Cause i can almost guarantee you many will shy away from b/c of his tendency to want to run...
stay in your maroon cocoon...and i'll gladly keep my hater shades on
Stemp
Brew Master
You still have yet to debunk the fact that running qbs in the nfl dont last in the Nfl or at least tremendously change their game to become more pocket passer types when they enter and your boy will inevitably have to change his game...deal with that huge fact...
And if im blind watching him play and saying what im saying, i guess there's gonna be a whole lot of blind people come nfl combine and scout eval time..
Cause i can almost guarantee you many will shy away from b/c of his tendency to want to run...
You are trying to change your argument. In fact, your arguements have been all over the place and changed and you keep trying to change it to that subject which no one disputes when you continually get proven wrong.
Here are the things you've said I take issue with which the facts proven your wrong.
Sumlin said he shouldn't have replied at all with what Sumlin said to him.
At least here you admitted you were a hater. Then you actually tried to defend yourself.Mr teX said:
Mr teX said:
Mr teX said:
Mr teX said:
Again, I lauged at this. If you have a 6' 5" WR with soft hands and who you know will almost always come down with the ball, why wouldn't you throw it up there? Too bad for you though that even when Evans was injured or covered, Manziel still found his other receivers.Mr teX said:
I actually laughed when I read this. And I laugh even more now when he's played Bama again, as well as good Ole Miss and a better Arkansas and arguably played even better than last year.Mr teX said:
too bad I just proved he doesn't look to run as much as you claim. Plus RG3 is injured and there are other QB's who run about the same amount as he does that are succeeding in the NFL.Mr teX said:
again proven false. Kinda hard to claim a guy is a running QB when he's 4th in the nation in passing yards per game, 6th nationally in total QBR and 2nd in the SEC (13th nationally) in total passing yards.Mr teX said:
CloakNNNdagger
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I would much rather have a QB like Marshal than Manziel.
CloakNNNdagger
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Neither Manziel or Marshal can make it in the NFL........they're too short....both at 6'1".........
Showtime100
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Neither Manziel or Marshal can make it in the NFL........they're too short....both at 6'1".........
Lol, troublemaker.
Little eyes
They walk around
Tellin' great big lies
They got little noses
And tiny little teeth
They wear platform shoes
On their nasty little feet
Neither Manziel or Marshal can make it in the NFL........they're too short....both at 6'1".........
A short QB with a lot of wins from a major conference will still get drafted. Mark Sanchez, Drew Brees, Russell Wilson etc... etc... If you're short, you've only played in a spread offense, you didn't play in a major conference... not so much.
Manziel puts his linemen in some tough situations. He doesn't look comfortable in the pocket going through reads. He gets happy feet and wants to take off and run.
That said, I think that he has some workable skills. He has a good arm. Obviously athletic. I just don't know if he can sit inside dn nfl pocket and make reads and make throws all over the field.
There are other guys I'd rather have.
htownfan32
Hall of Fame
Damn disappointed in our defense today.
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