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Schaub injured (update)

The Pencil Neck said:
But, #2 QBs who've ended up being great? Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Matt Hasselbeck had some good years, Jim Plunkett, Roger Staubach... there have been quite a few QBs who've turned out pretty good who had to spend a few years on the bench. Some guys even started off as #1s, then had to get demoted and fight their way back up (like Plunkett.)

I'm hoping Leinart ends up like Plunkett. A guy who had his shot, blew it, sat on the bench and figured things out, and then got his chance and rocked.
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You know I am reminded that there was a team a few years ago that looked pretty good. They came out of the gates and many picked them as a contender. Then in December their starting QB went down. Their backup Qb came in and won the final 2 regular season games. He led the team to the Superbowl where he completed 20 of 32 passes for 222 yards, one touchdown, and no interceptions. His team rode a really good RB and stout D performance.

The running back was Otis Anderson. The team was the New York Giants. The Injured QB was Phil Simms. The backup was Jeff Hostetler.
 
Ryan said:
I don't swing that way but if it will help us win...:vincepalm:
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So your answer is "No, but we're willing to learn"?

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Doppelganger said:
You know I am reminded that there was a team a few years ago that looked pretty good. They came out of the gates and many picked them as a contender. Then in December their starting QB went down. Their backup Qb came in and won the final 2 regular season games. He led the team to the Superbowl where he completed 20 of 32 passes for 222 yards, one touchdown, and no interceptions. His team rode a really good RB and stout D performance.

The running back was Otis Anderson. The team was the New York Giants. The Injured QB was Phil Simms. The backup was Jeff Hostetler.
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Frank Reich demolished us during the famous 35-3 game up in Buffalo when, IIRC, we had previously beaten up Jim Kelly in the Astrodome at the end of that reg season.

Drew Bledsoe got hurt when he was QB for the Patriots. In came Tom Brady, and the rest is history.

The Rams had their guy go down, and Dick Vermiel vowed that his team would rally around Kurt Warner and that they'd shock the world.

Us not having a competent defense? THAT is a season killer. Us not having a competent offensive line and a quality set of RBs that are 3-deep on the roster chart? THAT is a season killer. Losing Mario was not a season killer. Losing AJ was not a season killer. Waiting on Foster to heal up at the start of the season was not a season killer.

There is a ton of history, most of it being "recent history" within our own team this season, that says we can get through it and make some noise.

I look at Brian Cushing, a guy I thought was surely done and finished because of the whole saga he went through and how putrid he and our defense looked last year...I look at him THIS year, as the guy in the middle making the calls and basically it's Wade Phillips saying to his defense "You do what I say, and you watch how the success will come to you. It will, by golly. Just watch and see," and it has.

There is a crazy amount of "buy-in" right now that has to be a result of our defense. What is crazy is to think that Matt Leinart knows he has a legitimate shot to win a Super Bowl right now. And that Matt Schaub will be watching from the sideline if we do get to a SB game, which is seriously a disheartening thing for a guy like Schaub to have to go through, IMO.

This whole season has been bizarre. I mean, the one fugging team that takes a chance on Haynesworth after he's crapped out in two previous chances...and he ends up doing this to Schaub? Is there a bigger soul sucking NFL player than Albert Haynesworth right now? I don't think there is.

Even his name was ripping off the back of his jersey, as if the football gods were saying he didn't even deserve to have his name on the back of an NFL jersey...and they were prying at it with their nimble fingers, slowly removing it so that he will be gone from our sight one day. Dammit!
 
BALT formula good def good run game avg QB no mistakes. Lets look at thier QB history:
2011 Joe Flacco (7)
2010 Joe Flacco (16)
2009 Joe Flacco (16)
2008 Joe Flacco (16)
2007 Kyle Boller (8) / Steve McNair (6) / Troy Smith (2)
2006 Steve McNair (16)
2005 Kyle Boller (9) / Anthony Wright (7)
2004 Kyle Boller (16)
2003 Kyle Boller (9) / Anthony Wright (7)
2002 Jeff Blake (10) / Chris Redman (6)
2001 Elvis Grbac (14) / Randall Cunningham (2)
2000 Tony Banks (8) / Trent Dilfer (8) Super Bowl champion (XXXV)

My point is this can be a winning formula but look at how many QBs it took to make it work. I think Schaub was our Dilfer this year since we were limiting his throws. Now we need another Dilfer thats a lot to ask but I'll cross my fingers.
 
Thorn said:
It's the bye week. They've got an extra week to get Matty out of the hot tub and onto the field. At there's that working in our favor. Leinhart is good enough with two weeks of practice to throw a few passes and hand the ball off.
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This. 2 weeks to get him 'warmed up' and tuned in to the players on the field, the routes and such.

We might be screwed, and in my eyes definately a huge blow, but let's wait and see if we can play through this. We might be pleasently surprised when our D shuts everyone down and Matt L only has to score 10 points to win :)
 
thunderkyss said:
In Port Arthur, upper echelon & good are pretty much the same thing. If nothing else, upper echelon is actually better than good.

:kitten:
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I have no idea what your point is here.

When I say "upper echelon", I mean that I consider him one of the top 5-6 QBs in the league. Which, as you say, is actually better than good.
 
Doppelganger said:
You know I am reminded that there was a team a few years ago that looked pretty good. They came out of the gates and many picked them as a contender. Then in December their starting QB went down. Their backup Qb came in and won the final 2 regular season games. He led the team to the Superbowl where he completed 20 of 32 passes for 222 yards, one touchdown, and no interceptions. His team rode a really good RB and stout D performance.

The running back was Otis Anderson. The team was the New York Giants. The Injured QB was Phil Simms. The backup was Jeff Hostetler.
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Yep. And in the Dolphin's Perfect Season, Griese went down early in the year (like 5 games in). Earl Morral QBd them to most of their victories and even went through the playoffs until Griese came back for the last game or two.
 
The only reason we're limiting throws is because Andre Johnson is out.

But now that Leinart is in, we might keep the same thing going.
 
Matt has been playing hurt and throwing many bad balls this year anyways. With Andre returning, I doubt teams leave him lonely for long. I have every confidence Leinart can deliver a deep ball as well as Schaub.
 
JamesBill said:
Matt has been playing hurt and throwing many bad balls this year anyways. With Andre returning, I doubt teams leave him lonely for long. I have every confidence Leinart can deliver a deep ball as well as Schaub.
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Agreed, but physical ability isn't really the concern. Leinart can throw the ball as well as most anyone, but will he be able to effectively read defenses and avoid the mistakes he routinely made as a starter in Arizona (forcing throws into coverage, following his primary receiver with his eyes for the entire play, scrambling out of the pocket for no reason, etc).? Only time will tell. I suppose it could be worse, we could be on the phone with the Giants...if you know what I mean. :kitten:
 
burro said:
Agreed, but physical ability isn't really the concern. Leinart can throw the ball as well as most anyone, but will he be able to effectively read defenses and avoid the mistakes he routinely made as a starter in Arizona (forcing throws into coverage, following his primary receiver with his eyes for the entire play, scrambling out of the pocket for no reason, etc).? Only time will tell. I suppose it could be worse, we could be on the phone with the Giants...if you know what I mean. :kitten:
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I can't think of a single pass Schaub completed on sunday that Leinart couldn't. Plus I think defenses change their strategy based more on if Andre plays or not, than which Matt is at QB.

Plus Leinart isn't #8.
 
Let's keep this thread about Schaub and his injury, and post about Leinart in other existing threads.
 
asleep said:
So, if I'm getting you, we're pretty much waiting to see if it's a stable Lisfranc that ends his season or an unstable Lisfranc that may end his career?
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CloakNNNdagger said:
TK, I wish I could answer your question (which is a good question), but I can't with certainty, mainly since we don't even know if this is a true Lisfranc which involves a fracture of a metatarsal bone (one of the long mid foot bones) along with a separation of that bone with its more proximal attachment to an ankle bone........or if it may be solely a metatarsal fracture without the accompanying separation and associated ligament damage. There may still be a question of a true separation if it demonstrates borderline measurement.

Don't forget, though, how often these same scenarios of not really being told what they may know........things that they must have known pretty much from the beginning, but chose not to reveal it until they decided that "hiding it" any longer served no further purpose. Who knows at this point? Who knows when and if we find out what the real facts of injury ever come out.

One thing that I can tell you is that no injury is made BETTER by allowing it to be played on. I also question why he was not made to elevate his foot or, better yet, why he would be allowed to bear weight let alone walk on his booted foot BEFORE a definitive diagnosis could be made. Reminds me of watching Tate being encouraged to weight bear and walk off the field unassisted after his catastrophic injury.........only to finally give out when he reached the sideline. Again, I wish I had all the answers for you, but I just don't.
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As usual, we don't have the complete findings right now. But probably the best case scenario is an isolated metatarsal stress fracture or clean fracture........a non-Lisfranc fracture that could theoretically heal over a 6-8 week period require an additional 2-week period for strictly return to play conditioning. EVERYTHING would have to heal and fall in place perfectly for Schaub to even POSSIBLY be available late into the playoffs if the Texans make it there. Don't really know, but this is possibly one explanation I could think of for a wishy-washy appearance to the decision process. If, indeed, he only has an isolated non-Lisfranc metatarsal fracture, his long term prognosis would be much less discouraging............IF......
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
As usual, we don't have the complete findings right now. But probably the best case scenario is an isolated metatarsal stress fracture or clean fracture........a non-Lisfranc fracture that could theoretically heal over a 6-8 week period require an additional 2-week period for strictly return to play conditioning. EVERYTHING would have to heal and fall in place perfectly for Schaub to even POSSIBLY be available late into the playoffs if the Texans make it there. Don't really know, but this is possibly one explanation I could think of for a wishy-washy appearance to the decision process. If, indeed, he only has an isolated non-Lisfranc metatarsal fracture, his long term prognosis would be much less discouraging............IF......
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How is it that Ahmad Bradshaw has a broken foot but can keep playing but schaub would require 6-8 weeks minimum before weight bearing?
 
gtexan02 said:
How is it that Ahmad Bradshaw has a broken foot but can keep playing but schaub would require 6-8 weeks minimum before weight bearing?
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I am not a Doctor, but there are many bones in the foot. McFadden has a foot injury and has been out quite a bit this year.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
The Pencil Neck said:
Personally, I always thought Schaub was upper echelon and I think people have been overly critical of his abilities. I think most of the people panicking are the people who thought he was good.
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thunderkyss said:
In Port Arthur, upper echelon & good are pretty much the same thing. If nothing else, upper echelon is actually better than good.

:kitten:
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I have no idea what your point is here.

When I say "upper echelon", I mean that I consider him one of the top 5-6 QBs in the league. Which, as you say, is actually better than good.
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I would think more people would panic if they thought Schaub was upper echelon & we now have to resort to Lienart; knowing their will be a big drop in QB performance.

If the thought was that Schaub was merely good, they wouldn't expect as big a drop; & therefore not panic.
 
Honestly guys the fact that they did let him play, barring the adrenaline rush, I don't think its a lisfranc injury. Yeah hes getting tons of evaluations but remember Andre missed 6 weeks and got tons of evaluations and second opinions. A real lisfranc wouldn't have allowed shaub to be in the game for another quarter. It is possible that it could be a broken toe or some really bad bruising as we don't know what went down under that pile. With aj80 we could clearly see how and why his injury took place. I'm not saying I expect 8 to return after the jacks game but I do think hell return if we do get inthe playoffs. We have a bye and six more games to play through. With our defense playing as well as they have and our stellar run game I say we go 5-1. But I'm not sure there's much kool aid left.
 
Does this suck? Hell yes!

It is the end of the season? Hell no!

The Texans aren't losing Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady. They are losing a better-than-average QB, not a multi-time all star. Schaub is certainly better than Leinart but its not going from John Elway to Bubby Brister.
 
The1ApplePie said:
Does this suck? Hell yes!

It is the end of the season? Hell no!

The Texans aren't losing Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady. They are losing a better-than-average QB, not a multi-time all star. Schaub is certainly better than Leinart but its not going from John Elway to Bubby Brister.
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I think it is the unknown factor that is scary with Leinart.

Boy am I scared now!

Sucks for Matty - we've got a good defense playing alongside his offense, and he'll be admiring it from the sidelines.
 
Endcoachment said:
Honestly guys the fact that they did let him play, barring the adrenaline rush, I don't think its a lisfranc injury. Yeah hes getting tons of evaluations but remember Andre missed 6 weeks and got tons of evaluations and second opinions. A real lisfranc wouldn't have allowed shaub to be in the game for another quarter. It is possible that it could be a broken toe or some really bad bruising as we don't know what went down under that pile. With aj80 we could clearly see how and why his injury took place. I'm not saying I expect 8 to return after the jacks game but I do think hell return if we do get inthe playoffs. We have a bye and six more games to play through. With our defense playing as well as they have and our stellar run game I say we go 5-1. But I'm not sure there's much kool aid left.
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My understanding is he was not given MRI until after. He taped @ half time and returned to play. He complained in 4th quarter it was still bothering him.
 
Kaiser Toro said:
I am not a Doctor, but there are many bones in the foot. McFadden has a foot injury and has been out quite a bit this year.
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I guess my point was that it sounded like CND was implying any foot break has minimum recovery time of 6-8 weeks.

Yet Bradshaw has a break and is still day to day.

Since we dint know which bone is broken and since Schaub rarely runs, I'm just wondering why it wouldn't be possible to see him sooner than 8 weeks
 
gtexan02 said:
I guess my point was that it sounded like CND was implying any foot break has minimum recovery time of 6-8 weeks.

Yet Bradshaw has a break and is still day to day.

Since we dint know which bone is broken and since Schaub rarely runs, I'm just wondering why it wouldn't be possible to see him sooner than 8 weeks
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Bradshaw originally suffered slight stress fractures of both of his 5th metatarsal bones back in 2009. These were surgically stabilized with a screw that ran essentially through the entire length of his bones.

This last game, like Schaub because of pain, the in-stadium x-rays were taken and showed nothing. But later, additional studies revealed a slight crack in his 5th metatarsal, which showed up at the location of the screw head........the entire bone though remains fully stabilized by the screw for now.

Even so, surgery for Bradshaw may still be in the cards as he is being further evaluated and the game of "day-to-day" may be just that........a game.
 
badboy said:
My understanding is he was not given MRI until after. He taped @ half time and returned to play. He complained in 4th quarter it was still bothering him.
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Sure, but that's equivalent of some athlete fracturing his fibula. Any human in the world wouldn't be able to play on a fracture. Let alone a lisfranc fracture. I just don't think his injury is as big as every one makes it seem. Even if koobs was downplaying the injury he used the word significant to discribe it.
 
GP said:
Out of all the out-of-work QBs that I would trust to throw the ball and make things happen, based on what we got for that QB to work with, Old Man Favre has to be the one guy you look at it and think "You know what? The guy can go balls if he has a running game to keep defenses honest." Period.

End of rant.
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Favre had AP in Minnesota and decided HE would be the hero instead of making use of the best back in football.

No-freakin'-thanks.
 
thunderkyss said:
Gabbert

Dalton

Ryan

Cam

Painter/Orlovsky

Hasselbeck


We could do worse.
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What the hell? Andy Dalton, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton and Matt Hasselbeck are all assuredly better than Matt Lienart. At the very least, I would be much more comfortable with them at QB than Lienart.
 
thunderkyss said:
I would think more people would panic if they thought Schaub was upper echelon & we now have to resort to Lienart; knowing their will be a big drop in QB performance.

If the thought was that Schaub was merely good, they wouldn't expect as big a drop; & therefore not panic.
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Schaub is a lot better than many Texan fans realize. Those fans will soon be finding out how much they'll miss Schaub. In fact, I suspect the drop off will be similar to the one from Jason Campbell to Kyle Boller for the Raiders, but they fixed their problem with a trade before the deadline. It shouldn't be as bad a drop off as I suspect there will be from Cassel to Palko, but then again who thought Skelton would do well in Arizona with Kolb ailing?

The1ApplePie said:
Does this suck? Hell yes!

It is the end of the season? Hell no!

The Texans aren't losing Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady. They are losing a better-than-average QB, not a multi-time all star. Schaub is certainly better than Leinart but its not going from John Elway to Bubby Brister.
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But it could be! I once saw an 8-2 Raider team lose their last 6 games after Hostetler was lost to injury. That 8-8 record is what got people calling them the "Faiders", when in fact losing the starting QB is what sank them. Houston has a nice record and just needs to keep scratching out victories somehow. The good news is they have a moderate schedule left to play, so maybe they can limp through and get Schaub back for the playoffs if they can hang on to beat out the Titans.

Dutchrudder said:
What the hell? Andy Dalton, Matt Ryan, Cam Newton and Matt Hasselbeck are all assuredly better than Matt Leinart. At the very least, I would be much more comfortable with them at QB than Leinart.
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All of those QBs are better than Leinart. Heck, Leinart couldn't beat out the supposedly washed up Kurt Warner, he didn't play anywhere in 2010, and even the Cards preferred paying big money to Kolb than settling for any more Leinart.

The two things the Texans have going for them is their running game with Foster and Tate, and their much improved defense. However, those 30 and 40 point games are probably history.
 
Naiirb said:
This thread from the Titans forum is so ridiculous http://gotitans.com/goForum/showthread.php?t=76948

They are so caught up with whats happening with the Texans they are forgetting they still have to play their own games. Looking at their schedule i see maybe 2-3 more wins. Hilarious
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I have been following this thread. The guy that says "We (Titans) control our own destiny..." is funny. How do the Titans control their own destiny? They are 2.5 games behind, still have some tough games, are 1-2 in the division (and still come to Houston at the end of the year) they need us to go on a 3-4 game losing streak for them to jump ahead.

Oh yeah did I mention they play a Falcons team who just lost a heart breaker against a divisional foe last Sunday? Their only good win comes against a Baltimore team that has been as inconsistent as them.

Titans are a good team though, I don't think of them as a cupcake but they need a big collapse from the Texans to take the lead. If they think we will do so because we always did so...well those years in the past we were NEVER 7-3 with the #1 defense in the NFL..
 
thunderkyss said:
I would think more people would panic if they thought Schaub was upper echelon & we now have to resort to Lienart; knowing their will be a big drop in QB performance.

If the thought was that Schaub was merely good, they wouldn't expect as big a drop; & therefore not panic.
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There's not much to panic about really... our season is o-v-e-r without Schaub. It is what it is. Fans in denial always holler... plug and play! Plug and play! Believing in the system is ok up to an extent. Leinart is replacing a 4700+ yard passer. Yeah right.

Hopefully we'll hold it together and limp our way into a wildcard. With three divisional games ahead of us... the future looks to be bleak.

FYI, Kubiak confirmed Lisfranc today on NFL.com.
 
NitroGSXR said:
There's not much to panic about really... our season is o-v-e-r without Schaub. It is what it is. Fans in denial always holler... plug and play! Plug and play! Believing in the system is ok up to an extent. Leinart is replacing a 4700+ yard passer. Yeah right.

Hopefully we'll hold it together and limp our way into a wildcard. With three divisional games ahead of us... the future looks to be bleak.

FYI, Kubiak confirmed Lisfranc today on NFL.com.
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Got a link?
 
fiasco west said:
I have been following this thread. The guy that says "We (Titans) control our own destiny..." is funny. How do the Titans control their own destiny? They are 2.5 games behind, still have some tough games, are 1-2 in the division (and still come to Houston at the end of the year) they need us to go on a 3-4 game losing streak for them to jump ahead.
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If the Titans (5-4) win out, they'll be 12-4, that would include beating us Jan 1

If the Texans (7-3) win every game but that last one, we'll be 12-4. So you are right, they do not control their own destiny.

However, he's probably thinking we'll lose at least one other game with the change in QB; Atlanta, Cincy, maybe even the Jags.

So we only need to lose 2 of the next 6 & they could possibly win the division.
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Oh yeah did I mention they play a Falcons team who just lost a heart breaker against a divisional foe last Sunday? Their only good win comes against a Baltimore team that has been as inconsistent as them.

Titans are a good team though, I don't think of them as a cupcake but they need a big collapse from the Texans to take the lead. If they think we will do so because we always did so...well those years in the past we were NEVER 7-3 with the #1 defense in the NFL..
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I'm not saying anything until I see them vs Atlanta. If CJ2ypc has his game back, they could go on a run.

We've never been 7-3 before, but we've never been 11-5 either. I'm not doom & gloom'n because of Lienart, because I think he'll be alright, but I've been worried about Tennessee from the beginning.

They beat Baltimore, we didn't. If they beat Atlanta & we don't. If they beat New Orleans, where we didn't, it would also give them the tie-breaker. Especially if we lose to the Jags & end up with the same division record as Tennessee (assuming they beat us at Reliant).
 
NitroGSXR said:
Maybe I should type slower?

www.nfl.com

You can't miss it.
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What an unexpectedly smart azz and condescending response.
Especially considering the fact that the story you are referring specifically states that Kubiak WOULDN"T CONFIRM a lisfranc injury.


Houston Texans coach Gary Kubiak wouldn't confirm Tuesday that Matt Schaub is sidelined by a Lisfranc injury in his right foot, and he's not ready to pull the plug on his quarterback's season quite yet.
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Link:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82426611/article/kubiak-says-texans-will-know-more-about-schaub-next-week?module=HP11_headline_stack
 
Endcoachment said:
Sure, but that's equivalent of some athlete fracturing his fibula. Any human in the world wouldn't be able to play on a fracture. Let alone a lisfranc fracture. I just don't think his injury is as big as every one makes it seem. Even if koobs was downplaying the injury he used the word significant to discribe it.
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Endcoachment, you may be right and it may not be a Lisfranc, as I even eluded to before. But it could also be a Lisfranc with minimal joint displacement and thus minimal ligament damage. You'd be surprised as to what some people can temporarily tolerate when they are "shot up."

You might remember Ram’s DE Jack Youngblood. He played the entire 1979 playoffs, including Super Bowl XIV, with a fractured fibula. A week later, he also played in the 1980 Pro Bowl with that sane injured leg.

Or if you want a more contemporary example, Donovan McNabb who was sacked in a game in 2001 against the Cardinals. He grabbed his leg, but got up.....walked to the sidelines........was diagnosed as an ankle sprain and taped up......and returned to complete the entire game. After the game, x-rays revealed that he had not only sustained A fracture of the fibula, but he had sustained THREE separate fractures of the fibula. BTW, in that game, he passed for 255 yds (20 for 25) and 4 Tds. Following that game, McNabb went on to undergo surgery, missing the last 6 weeks of the season and returned for a playoff game in which he demonstrated that he was still not fully recovered.

The Bulls’ rookie player sustained a “leg sprain” in the 2011 playoffs. He was taped up and returned to finish out the rest of the game, after which it was discovered that he too had actually been playing on a fractured fibula. Surgery and out for the rest of the playoffs.

This is only a few examples. None were made better by the experience of going back out there, and each required subsequent surgery and a long rehab.

After RB Duce Staley sustained a Lisfranc fracture, his trainer, the Eagles head trainer Rick Burkholder said:

Lis franc strains are rare in the NFL.

`Most have gone undiagnosed,` he said. `An athlete has foot pain for a year or two, can't push off and leaves the NFL.`
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thunderkyss said:
That's what I thought about Manning.

How will this defense play when our offense can't stay on the field?

How will this defense play when we are down by 14 & can't stop the run?
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TK... TK...
Slow down and take long, deep breaths.
Better? Heartrate down?
Good.

First, does Jacksonville have an offense that can run against the 2011 edition of the Texan defense? I'm thinking "no". We held MJD to 63 yds on 18 carries before. He did get into the endzone but that was with a little more than 5 minutes to go in the game.

Second, our running game will not fall of the face of the Earth just because the guy who usually is handing off is hurt. Foster says he's just starting to "feel like himself" and Tate is on a mission to show that he's worth that 2nd round pick. We will stay on the field and control the clock.

Third, (and maybe this should have been first) our defense, which has forced turnovers from the likes of Roethlisberger, Flacco, and Brees is facing a rookie QB. Last time we faced him we picked him off twice. We've gotten at least one turnover in EVERY GAME; most games we get two. I look for our D to force him into more mistakes this time too.

This

:firehair::firehair::firehair:

must stop people.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
Endcoachment, you may be right and it may not be a Lisfranc, as I even eluded to before. But it could also be a Lisfranc with minimal joint displacement and thus minimal ligament damage. You'd be surprised as to what some people can temporarily tolerate when they are "shot up."

You might remember Ram’s DE Jack Youngblood. He played the entire 1979 playoffs, including Super Bowl XIV, with a fractured fibula. A week later, he also played in the 1980 Pro Bowl with that sane injured leg.

Or if you want a more contemporary example, Donovan McNabb who was sacked in a game in 2001 against the Cardinals. He grabbed his leg, but got up.....walked to the sidelines........was diagnosed as an ankle sprain and taped up......and returned to complete the entire game. After the game, x-rays revealed that he had not only sustained A fracture of the fibula, but he had sustained THREE separate fractures of the fibula. BTW, in that game, he passed for 255 yds (20 for 25) and 4 Tds. Following that game, McNabb went on to undergo surgery, missing the last 6 weeks of the season and returned for a playoff game in which he demonstrated that he was still not fully recovered.

The Bulls’ rookie player sustained a “leg sprain” in the 2011 playoffs. He was taped up and returned to finish out the rest of the game, after which it was discovered that he too had actually been playing on a fractured fibula. Surgery and out for the rest of the playoffs.

This is only a few examples. None were made better by the experience of going back out there, and each required subsequent surgery and a long rehab.

After RB Duce Staley sustained a Lisfranc fracture, his trainer, the Eagles head trainer Rick Burkholder said:

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So, basically you're saying Schaub needs to suck it up, quit being such a pucee, and play ball like the players you referenced?
Yes. I like it!
 
thunderkyss said:
If the Titans (5-4) win out, they'll be 12-4, that would include beating us Jan 1

If the Texans (7-3) win every game but that last one, we'll be 12-4. So you are right, they do not control their own destiny.

However, he's probably thinking we'll lose at least one other game with the change in QB; Atlanta, Cincy, maybe even the Jags.

So we only need to lose 2 of the next 6 & they could possibly win the division.


I'm not saying anything until I see them vs Atlanta. If CJ2ypc has his game back, they could go on a run.

We've never been 7-3 before, but we've never been 11-5 either. I'm not doom & gloom'n because of Lienart, because I think he'll be alright, but I've been worried about Tennessee from the beginning.

They beat Baltimore, we didn't. If they beat Atlanta & we don't. If they beat New Orleans, where we didn't, it would also give them the tie-breaker. Especially if we lose to the Jags & end up with the same division record as Tennessee (assuming they beat us at Reliant).
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I'm not worried about it because I think the Falcons and Saints are much better teams than the Titans. While the Titans beat the Ravens, they did so at home which apparently means everything to the Ravens who struggle to beat the likes of Seattle and Jacksonville on the road.

Also with how the Titans have been playing it is highly highly unlikely they win out. They have been one of the more inconsistent teams all year, for them to just expect that they will hit the switch...nah...

The Texans have been steady all year. Ran into a road bump for two weeks, but that's understandable considering those two weeks they lost both Mario and Andre. Played a emotionally high Raiders team who leads their division and a Baltimore team that is very hard to beat at home and has a insane record when coming off a bye any ways. The Texans have also lost to the Saints which also happens to be a team leading their division. They really have no losses where you can say "Well what happened that week?" They have been consistent.

thunderkyss said:
That's what I thought about Manning.

How will this defense play when our offense can't stay on the field?

How will this defense play when we are down by 14 & can't stop the run?
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Colts never had a good defense though.

Also, I don't think the offense and defense are so intertwined. We had a great offense last year and that didn't help the defense at all. There are also cases like the Jets and Ravens...where a good defense seems to carry a mediocre to bad offense.

Although if the Texans just go out there and go three and out nearly every series that will likely affect the defense no doubt, but I just don't see that happening with Daniels, Johnson, Tate, and Foster. These guys accidentally make a big play every now and then.
 
michaelm said:
So, basically you're saying Schaub needs to suck it up, quit being such a pucee, and play ball like the players you referenced?
Yes. I like it!
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Hopefully, you were being sarcastic. I certainly was in no way trying to glorify the player examples I presented. All of them at the time were not aware of the extent of their injuries. What everyone needs to walk away from my post with is my statement:

This is only a few examples. None were made better by the experience of going back out there, and each required subsequent surgery and a long rehab.
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michaelm said:
Especially considering the fact that the story you are referring specifically states that Kubiak WOULDN"T CONFIRM a lisfranc injury.
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That's basically what I heard Schaub say in a radio interview on 610am an hour ago. I think they are trying to find a way to get Schaub back by the playoffs.

Before IR was season ending, the '72 Dolphins brought Bob Griese back for the Super Bowl, 3 months after breaking his ankle. If the Texans can somehow get a bye week for the wild card round, Schaub would have 9 weeks to recover for the initial playoff game. Is it likely? No. But there's still a possibility, which is why the Texans are taking their sweet time before making a decision on placing Schaub on IR.

ObsiWan said:
...and Tate is on a mission to show that he's worth that 2nd round pick.
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Heck, Tate is looking like the best back from that draft. Would probably be a 1st rounder in a re-draft.
 
michaelm said:
What an unexpectedly smart azz and condescending response.
Especially considering the fact that the story you are referring specifically states that Kubiak WOULDN"T CONFIRM a lisfranc injury.





Link:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82426611/article/kubiak-says-texans-will-know-more-about-schaub-next-week?module=HP11_headline_stack
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Yeah, I need to apologize to ChampionTexan for my snarky attitude. I wasn't in the best of moods when I read the article. I am d-o-w-n about the loss of Schaub.

That's the article I was referring to. Nobody's going to believe me but I PROMISE you they CHANGED that sentence to wouldn't. It originally said Kubiak confirmed.
 
thunderkyss said:
If the Titans (5-4) win out, they'll be 12-4, that would include beating us Jan 1

If the Texans (7-3) win every game but that last one, we'll be 12-4. So you are right, they do not control their own destiny.

However, he's probably thinking we'll lose at least one other game with the change in QB; Atlanta, Cincy, maybe even the Jags.

So we only need to lose 2 of the next 6 & they could possibly win the division.


I'm not saying anything until I see them vs Atlanta. If CJ2ypc has his game back, they could go on a run.

We've never been 7-3 before, but we've never been 11-5 either. I'm not doom & gloom'n because of Lienart, because I think he'll be alright, but I've been worried about Tennessee from the beginning.

They beat Baltimore, we didn't. If they beat Atlanta & we don't. If they beat New Orleans, where we didn't, it would also give them the tie-breaker. Especially if we lose to the Jags & end up with the same division record as Tennessee (assuming they beat us at Reliant).
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Lot's of "if's" in all that TK. I see the point you're trying to make, but you can't make completely unrealistic assumptions about the Tacks while making very reasonable ones about the Texans.

Besides, you left out the minor fact that if the Texans win out, what the Tacks do don't mean squat. I like our odds of winning out much better than the Tacks. They have a far tougher schedule left and we have a much better team, all the way around. My biggest fear is that the players around Leinart will suddenly feel the urge to have to do more and end up costing us. As long as we play the same game we've been playing, we should be just fine. Make Leinart understand that he needs to stay within himself and take care of the ball, we end up no worse than 11-5.

I'll kiss your azz and give you an hour to draw a crowd if the Tacks win 4 out of their last 7. They could very easily lose 5 of their last 7, regardless of what CJ does.

All in all, if Leinart can settle down, manage the offense and pull offthe odd big pass, we're going places. I see Kubes going ultra-Kube and getting all three backs heavily involved in the running attack. I just don't see oppossing D's being able to withstand that. Considering that will keep the NFLs' #1 defense pretty fresh, I like it. Oh yeah, AJ should be back at 100%. PA should be an absolute killer. Like everyone else is saying, next man up. It's Leinart's turn in the barrel.
 
If it's Lisfranc, he's done for the year. Simple as that. That's a very delicate injury, but luckily Schaub is qb and doesn't need to run around too much. Obviously the Texans doctors know a lot more at this point than we do, but it would be very unwise imo to bring back Schaub before he's 100%.
 
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