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Schaub injured (update)

Texecutioner said:
I'm not happy about this because Schaub has proven to be a damn good good top 10 QB. However, I have confidence in Leinart in this offense and I don't see this as the end of the world. His skill set is very similar to Leinart's skill set and if he can make good decisions and make accurate throws which he has always been as a passer than we should be alright and still be pretty competitive. That's a big "IF" though.
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So.... you're saying Lienart will struggle, but we'll win the Jags game anyway.. then lose to Atlanta @ home... then win the next 4 to secure home field throughout?

I can go with that.

:koolaid:


It's yet to be seen, but Lienart can possibly the best QB on the field for the remaining 6 games of our season.

Thanks Tex for bringing me down to Earth.
 
Double Barrel said:
Obviously, I certainly hope Kubiak is right in keeping Leinart. It's going to be a much longer two week than previously anticipated.
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Leinart has his problems, that's for sure. But he's still better than a QB off the street and our 5th round pick, who ever that was. We can still win the division, I'm OK with that. But I don't look for us to last very long in the playoffs once we get there.

Hopefully Hot Tub Boy get's his **** togeather and starts winning.
 
welsh texan said:
Time to see how bad Leinart wants an NFL career.

The league is QB hungry right now, loads of teams in need of an upgrade around so if Leinart can show that he's improved in his time sitting then he has the chance to get a starting job somewhere.

For Texecutioner, I was one of those who had stated that the time for the Texans to look to draft their future starting QB is coming, Schaub has his limitations and while he's good there is the opportunity to upgrade at some stage. The Texans may well have the luxury of spending mid-round picks on developmental QB projects within the next few years, so why the hell wouldn't they start looking? How many teams draft their franchise QB at the first attempt? How many teams wait years behind the likes of Alex Smith while other teams like the Packers or the Pats have maintained success because despite having great QB's they've been grooming the next man up well in advance, I mean, if you can get rid of future HOF Brett Farve and end up with Superbowl rings then you can damn sure try grooming someone behind Matt Schaub.

Don't confuse that with a belief that getting rid of Matt Schaub should be the Texans' top priority right now. Although I'm pleased that on learning this terrible news that could put paid to YOUR teams best shot yet at winning it all, you have found time to point score. Well done Sir.
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I think Schaub's done a pretty damn good job with this team over the years and couldn't understand at all at why folks wanted a multiple season 4,000 yard passer sent packing.
 
This is how most Lisfrancs occur. The player is down and another player falls or steps full weight onto the heel of the fallen player.

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Didn't see it posted. Schaub out for the season. Not just a few games. Per adam schefter. We had something great going. Now we need a miracle to make it deep. Let alone top the afc south.

I am hoping matt2 can step up
 
Imagine if we sign Favre and he gets his ring as a Texan? We'd suddenly become the media's darling team for the rest of time!
 
Thorn said:
Leinart has his problems, that's for sure. But he's still better than a QB off the street and our 5th round pick, who ever that was. We can still win the division, I'm OK with that. But I don't look for us to last very long in the playoffs once we get there.

Hopefully Hot Tub Boy get's his **** togeather and starts winning.
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If we make the playoffs, I consider this season successful regardless of how it pans out.

At some point, that first playoff season monkey has to get off our back.
 
Double Barrel said:
I hear yahoos calling local radio shows all the time blathering on about hating Schaub and it makes me want to jump through the radio to pimp slap them.

I haven't seen it a whole lot in the forum, but I don't read every single thread.

I've argued that he's top 10 when you objectively look at the 32 starting QBs in the league.

I'm not sure how to process this, though, because the only impression we have on Leinart is less than positive.

And with low confidence in Kubiak, I just can't blindly believe that his judgment about our backup QB will 100% be sound.

Obviously, I certainly hope Kubiak is right in keeping Leinart. It's going to be a much longer two weeks than previously anticipated.
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YOu don't remember the multiple threads after the Raiders game?? Hell you'd think we still had Carr out there Schaub was being bashed so bad and being chastised as a loser.

I think Leinart will do alright though DB. He'll have two weeks to prepare and AJ will be coming back. He is an accurate passer and his lob throws are similar to how Schaub lobs his passes. It's not the end of the world as some might think it is in my eyes. I have faith in Matty.
 
The team responded to Leinart (last year).
That's why Leinart wanted to come back.

Adjusting plays?
Yes, somewhat.
Play to his strength, left vs right.
Play action wise, movement wise.
I had Steve Young and a back up in SF in the same situation (a righty vs a lefty).
 
welsh texan said:
Imagine if we sign Favre and he gets his ring as a Texan? We'd suddenly become the media's darling team for the rest of time!
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And then we go to the super bowl against green bay and Farve beats his old team. That would rattle some heads!

But no way Kubiak parts with his investment in Matt 2.

The Jacksonville game will have a huge showing on how the rest on the season will play out......
 
Is Leinart any more mobile than Schaub? He's a lefty so that might change things a bit for the O-line. Winston now protects his blind side!
 
who do we bring in to Back up
Brodie Croyle
Chris Simms
Culpepper

i cant think of any one else how about you guys
 
I have all the faith in the world in Leinart.......(I'm actually trying to convince myself of this) F it!!!! I'm getting hammered tonight! I hope we never run a QB sneak ever again.
 
Texecutioner said:
I think Schaub's done a pretty damn good job with this team over the years and couldn't understand at all at why folks wanted a multiple season 4,000 yard passer sent packing.
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The point discussed was to begin looking for your Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady sleeper pick in the draft over the next few years, bearing in mind Schaub is upgradeable although above average, and also 30 years old. Now, you could find Aaron Rodgers the first time you take a flier on a QB and end up in a difficult situation a couple of years down the line, parting ways with your franchise QB before he's done, or it might take a few attempts before you find your guy and it works out as perfect timing. Heck, it might not work and you'll be left to choose between Kerry Collins and Vince Young for a few years, before getting shot at both of them and having to start a rookie, but you might as well try to get ahead of the game.
 
Just as I truly started to believe.... The "inevitable" happens. I am sick... And almost shocked. But its the path we chose as Texans fans. I have zero hope it will actually ever happen now.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
In the other Schaub Injury thread, I tried to prepare you all for something more serious than just a routine mild sprain by pointing out that the boot was not consistent with this type of injury. I suggested that it had to be a more severe Grade II or a Grade III sprain, the latter in which you would need to rule out an accompanying fracture. If it IS a Lisfranc fracture, don't count on Schaub coming back this season.

Non-operative (in the case of a stable fracture) or operative treatment would require 6-8 weeks totally non-bearing. No way does he return then. He would just be beginning rehab at that time. Strengthening takes time, especially after this type of injury which is accompanied by ligament damage.
If the injury requires surgery, Schaub would probably not be allowed to return to sports until the hardware is removed, which is usually not before 3-6 months after the original operation.

A Lisfranc injury can be a devastating injury which can lead to debilitating chronic pain and progressive arthritic problems. I hope that this is not the case.
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Can't you just lie a little bit? Just take the pain away...
 
I thought the world had already screwed the texan. AJ out, Mario out . How much more do we have to overcome?!?
 
welsh texan said:
The point discussed was to begin looking for your Aaron Rodgers or Tom Brady sleeper pick in the draft over the next few years, bearing in mind Schaub is upgradeable although above average, and also 30 years old. Now, you could find Aaron Rodgers the first time you take a flier on a QB and end up in a difficult situation a couple of years down the line, parting ways with your franchise QB before he's done, or it might take a few attempts before you find your guy and it works out as perfect timing. Heck, it might not work and you'll be left to choose between Kerry Collins and Vince Young for a few years, before getting shot at both of them and having to start a rookie, but you might as well try to get ahead of the game.
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You're bringing up two situations that aren't the norm at all with Brady and Rodgers. How many 2nd string QB's end up being all time greats like Brady has been?? When you guys were going ape **** on Schaub there weren't many people thinking he had the ability to win a SB at all. It was just a few weeks ago, so that's why I pointed out that a lot of folks should be happy about this. The majority of QB's that have risen in this league have been top 10 QB picks and they're all a roll of the dice and we weren't going to be looking at any top 10 picks any way next year and there will be like 4 teams in the top 10 that desperately need a QB bad. That's why I thought it was crazy at how anyone would want to rid this team of Matt Schaub because he isn't some elite guy who is clutch all of the time.

THis season isn't over though. Have faith in Matt being servicable. I certainly do.
 
Dilfer just said don't be surprised if Yates QBs the team before the season is over.

I remember Cushing saying he had a hell of an arm and could run the wild cat like a mug, might be an option.

I'm going to try and be positive until we see how Leinart plays before I get too depressed. As long as we can still run the ball as well as we have we should be OK.
 
New report is that he is done for season.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that Matt Schaub is done for the season with a Lisfranc injury.
Matt Leinart will be the Texans' starting quarterback the rest of the way, with rookie T.J. Yates backing him up. Our suspicion is that this is a Lisfranc fracture, an injury that would require surgery and up to 8-10 months of recovery time. Schaub will finish the season with a 15:6 TD-to-INT ratio and 248-yard per-game average, essentially evolving into a game manager of a run-first offense. The rest of the skill players in Houston all take at least small hits, though Leinart's insertion could get Arian Foster more touches because opponents figure to be more competitive in games. Andre Johnson will return after the bye as more of a mid- to low-end WR1 than truly elite fantasy receiver play. He should still dominate targets in Houston's passing game. The offense will remain the most run-heavy in football.
 
Yup.

Feelin a bit like Yao being out right at the tipping point...

Feelin a bit like Bagwell being so run down by the time they made it...

WhhhhhyyyyyyyY!?!?!?!?!!?

NOOOOOO!!!!

/dramatic scene in the rain with the camera pulling backwards into the air over me holding an X-ray of Schaub's foot


Welp. Matt Leinart it is. I gotta say, we could do worse....
 
Thorn said:
Leinart has his problems, that's for sure. But he's still better than a QB off the street and our 5th round pick, who ever that was. We can still win the division, I'm OK with that. But I don't look for us to last very long in the playoffs once we get there.

Hopefully Hot Tub Boy get's his **** togeather and starts winning.
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Gabbert

Dalton

Ryan

Cam

Painter/Orlovsky

Hasselbeck


We could do worse.
 
Texecutioner said:
YOu don't remember the multiple threads after the Raiders game?? Hell you'd think we still had Carr out there Schaub was being bashed so bad and being chastised as a loser.
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We've got guys wanting to trade Mario for a stick of chewing gum.

We've got guys who felt we would be "ok" if Arian never came back with Tate & Ward.

We've got guys who want to get rid of Jacoby Jones when we only had 1 other healthy WR.

We just want this team to get better.
 
Maybe I'm just thinking too hard but...

With Leinart at QB the threat of the passing game is significantly less. This puts more pressure on the running game. Houston is in a four way tie for 10th in rushing yards per attempt. Nothing incredibly special. And that will only get worse with no threat of a passing game.

The reason the defense has been so good is because they have been good against the pass. Against the rush we are in a four way tie for 12th in rushing yards per attempt. The reason the numbers look so good looking at yards per game is because of our early leads and making teams have to pass the ball. With the shortage of offense and points, teams will be able to run the ball more often.

I just see this spiraling into a lot of new issues. I do think we can get two or three wins though, just don't see anywhere in the playoffs without Schaub. Next year....
 
jtexas said:
New report is that he is done for season.

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports that Matt Schaub is done for the season with a Lisfranc injury.
Matt Leinart will be the Texans' starting quarterback the rest of the way, with rookie T.J. Yates backing him up. Our suspicion is that this is a Lisfranc fracture, an injury that would require surgery and up to 8-10 months of recovery time. Schaub will finish the season with a 15:6 TD-to-INT ratio and 248-yard per-game average, essentially evolving into a game manager of a run-first offense. The rest of the skill players in Houston all take at least small hits, though Leinart's insertion could get Arian Foster more touches because opponents figure to be more competitive in games. Andre Johnson will return after the bye as more of a mid- to low-end WR1 than truly elite fantasy receiver play. He should still dominate targets in Houston's passing game. The offense will remain the most run-heavy in football.
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Wow. The first report I saw was 'several weeks'. I'll stop posting now since all I want to do is run off some expletives.
 
Kubiak insists he doesn't know where everyone is getting these "out for the season" reports and that they won't find out until next week...
 
TheMatrix31 said:
If I'm the Texans, I invest a high pick on a QB.
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We've already got to invest a high pick in a true #2 receiver, & an impact pass rusher to gain leverage on Mario....


We're going to have to find more of these high picks somewhere.
 
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