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Schaub injured (update)

I've read everyone of these threads and I'm so depressed I'm headed to my favorite Mexican food restaurant for some ritas! I just can't take this tonight. Maybe tomorrow I'll have a better, and more positive, attitude. Right now all I feel is doom and gloom, and I'm usually a pretty positive person. Just can't process this sheeeeeeet!!!
 
Texecutioner said:
You're bringing up two situations that aren't the norm at all with Brady and Rodgers. How many 2nd string QB's end up being all time greats like Brady has been?? When you guys were going ape **** on Schaub there weren't many people thinking he had the ability to win a SB at all. It was just a few weeks ago, so that's why I pointed out that a lot of folks should be happy about this. The majority of QB's that have risen in this league have been top 10 QB picks and they're all a roll of the dice and we weren't going to be looking at any top 10 picks any way next year and there will be like 4 teams in the top 10 that desperately need a QB bad. That's why I thought it was crazy at how anyone would want to rid this team of Matt Schaub because he isn't some elite guy who is clutch all of the time.

THis season isn't over though. Have faith in Matt being servicable. I certainly do.
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Personally, I always thought Schaub was upper echelon and I think people have been overly critical of his abilities. I think most of the people panicking are the people who thought he was good.

After getting over the shock (not that I'm totally over it, yet), I'm with you. Leinart can do this.

But, #2 QBs who've ended up being great? Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Brett Favre, Matt Hasselbeck had some good years, Jim Plunkett, Roger Staubach... there have been quite a few QBs who've turned out pretty good who had to spend a few years on the bench. Some guys even started off as #1s, then had to get demoted and fight their way back up (like Plunkett.)

I'm hoping Leinart ends up like Plunkett. A guy who had his shot, blew it, sat on the bench and figured things out, and then got his chance and rocked.
 
With the Defense playing the way it is, the running game looking great and AJ coming back, I can only hope that Leinart turns out like Tent Dilfer in this situation. What I mean by that, is a QB that can just manage the game.
 
Just got through watching the play that schaub got hurt on. Sure looked like albert FAT-ASS haynesworthless was the one that rolled on his foot. I HOPE HIS DAMN BOAT SINKS IN THE GULF!!!!!
 
Leinart was looking pretty decent in the preseason, I know that isn't that much to go on but I am not going to be breaking out the arsenic colonic until he proves to me that he isn't going to lead this team to wins. I expect to see a lot more Foster and Tate in the meantime and I doubt anyone can complain too much about that so all that is left to do is wait and see.
 
The Pencil Neck said:
Personally, I always thought Schaub was upper echelon and I think people have been overly critical of his abilities. I think most of the people panicking are the people who thought he was good.
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In Port Arthur, upper echelon & good are pretty much the same thing. If nothing else, upper echelon is actually better than good.

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The Pencil Neck said:
After getting over the shock (not that I'm totally over it, yet), I'm with you. Leinart can do this.

I'm hoping Leinart ends up like Plunkett. A guy who had his shot, blew it, sat on the bench and figured things out, and then got his chance and rocked.
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I'm hoping it's all about the system. Arizona has never had a running game. We haven't ever seen them "produce" a quality QB either, they wasted Jake Plummer, brought in Warner, & brought in Kolb (after giving up on trying to develop their own).

I liked what Lienart said about the QB training he's been getting here & what he said about the similarity of our boot game & what they did @USC.
 
You never like to see a starter go down, but injuries are a part of the game and have been a significant story for the Texans this year. Other teams have gone onto glory after losing their QB and we have had guys step up in the absence of AJ, Mario, D. Manning, etc, so this is a challenge that comes with precedent. Given that we have a healthy top flight running game and a defense that takes care of business all we need is a manager of the offense.

I am not a Leinart fan, but I acknowledge that he has been able to find success in the past. Leinart would have had no shot at being successful last year, but this team is different - specifically due to the defense.

These are my questions at this juncture:
Will Knapp's development of Leinart show through, and Kubiak's script be Leinart friendly?

How many first team snaps will Yates get the next two weeks? Due to bye week rules (minimum of four consecutive days off), what is the practice plan/work around?

Is Winston ready for blind side duty in pass pro?

Do Mason (possession) and Bry Johnson (former Leinart target with AZ) become more involved in the passing game?

Will Marciano's squad be able to provide some value in the battle of field position?

Since I cannot expect the defense to do anymore, I can only hope they hold the line on their performance to date.

I don't often drink kool-aid. But when I do..... Stay thirsty Texan fans. :texflag:
 
All i see is ESPN the only ones who are reporting the season ending thing. Maybe they're just speculating so in case they are right, they are first to report it? I can only hope. :vincepalm:
 
mortreport Chris Mortensen
Matt Schaub's foot X-Rays were negative when they were taken at halftime. Played the 2nd half, only threw 3 passes.
 
this win with def and run is nice in theory but the QB is going to have to make some plays I mean def & run game can be great but if Matt2 throws 3 picks or holds ball to long gets sacked to kill drives it is all for nothing. Matt2 will be our version of Sanchez NYJ. Win or lose threw him.
 
ALL i know is i have not officially heard anything from the texans that he is out for the season, all this seems to be word of mouth to me. He seemed fine in the post game show and seemed fine playing the rest of the game. All of this may just be getting blown out of proportion since we are now in first place in the AFC.
 
Kurt warner anybody? Maybe somebody can talk him out of retirement. He would be a perfect fit for the system.
 
redwhiteANDblue said:
There's no way in hell he's coming out of retirement. Don't you think cardinals tried last year?
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I know they did. Just saying that this is a much better situation. Much much better defense than he had in AZ and it's only half a season. Don't have to go through training camp. And also a great running game to along with the good defense. He would have a hell of a chance to win another Super Bowl with this team.
 
Ryan said:
All i see is ESPN the only ones who are reporting the season ending thing. Maybe they're just speculating so in case they are right, they are first to report it? I can only hope. :vincepalm:
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I remember several reports being inaccurate this year about the Texans. Recall the "Leinart to Seahawks" report? Remember the "Walter out for several weeks/season"? He missed 1 game IIRC. People want news, and dramatic stories make headlines. They could be right, but I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic.
 
stingray said:
I know they did. Just saying that this is a much better situation. Much much better defense than he had in AZ and it's only half a season. Don't have to go through training camp. He would have a hell of a chance to win another Super Bowl with this team.
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Do you really think Kurt Warner is in any kind of football shape right now? He's retired and completely done with football. Unlike Favre, he's content with his choice and is probably enjoying his retirement.
 
so... when is Schaub up for a new contract? I saw something the past week or so saying the Texans would work on his extension before the start of next season.
 
Carr Bombed said:
Do you really think Kurt Warner is in any kind of football shape right now? He's retired and completely done with football. Unlike Favre, he's content with his choice and is probably enjoying his retirement.
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Probably not. But I just don't like Leinart whatsoever. I would rather have 75% of Warner than a 100% of Leinart. I hope Matt proves me wrong but I just don't trust the guy.

I know Warner probably will never come back, just saying that if he did, this would be the perfect fit.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
In the other Schaub Injury thread, I tried to prepare you all for something more serious than just a routine mild sprain by pointing out that the boot was not consistent with this type of injury. I suggested that it had to be a more severe Grade II or a Grade III sprain, the latter in which you would need to rule out an accompanying fracture. If it IS a Lisfranc fracture, don't count on Schaub coming back this season.

Non-operative (in the case of a stable fracture) or operative treatment would require 6-8 weeks totally non-bearing. No way does he return then. He would just be beginning rehab at that time. Strengthening takes time, especially after this type of injury which is accompanied by ligament damage.
If the injury requires surgery, Schaub would probably not be allowed to return to sports until the hardware is removed, which is usually not before 3-6 months after the original operation.

A Lisfranc injury can be a devastating injury which can lead to debilitating chronic pain and progressive arthritic problems. I hope that this is not the case.
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Just my opinion, we won't see schaub for at least a yr. If we use recent history, some of those guys take 2 yrs. I was in favor of drafting a qb late 1st or 2nd rd. Right now, that should be even more of a priority. Early draft boards have RG3 as 5th best qb and 41st best prospect. If he comes out and is there, you can't get a better situation.
 
EllisUnit said:
ALL i know is i have not officially heard anything from the texans that he is out for the season, all this seems to be word of mouth to me. He seemed fine in the post game show and seemed fine playing the rest of the game. All of this may just be getting blown out of proportion since we are now in first place in the AFC.
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The fact that he went back into the game after the injury and NOW is seeing several specialists AFTER the game, tends to make me believe that he had a stress or undisplaced fracture which commonly may not be picked up on regular x-ray for as long as 10 days. Kubiak even essentially said that the x-ray machine in Reliant is not exactly anything state of the art. But the decision on the basis of not seeing anything on that x-ray (an x-ray at that point only can be considered useful if it positively demonstrates a fracture or at least a separation of bones implying ligament damage.........not when it's negative), the decision was made to let him return to play, instead of playing it on the side of caution and waiting to hopefully obtain a more definitive diagnosis on your valuable QB with more sensitive and reliable testing. The return to play decision in such a case could have easily extended the injury to completion of a stress fracture or ligament tear, or a displacement of an already present recently sustained stress or undisplaced fracture........making surgery the only option.

I don't in any way profess to have all of the facts. But the above turn of events would not surprise me. We will again all have to wait for what facts the Texans finally decide to eventually release.
 
This either goes one of two ways, or I'll be disappointed. Either Leinart shows that he's been hungry for another shot, and has been working this entire time (not just the next 2 weeks) - OR we go after a QB early in the draft next year. If we don't do either, then I'll be very disappointed. Schaub is neither young, an ironman, or exceptionally athletic. His replacement needs to start being groomed. Think Aaron Rogers, with a 3 year sit behind Favre.
 
Well, this is it. The elephant in the room was Schaub's freaking ankle. It's Houston, something had to THROW UP ALL OVER our AFC Championship run.

That's it.

We're screwed.

We'll finish 7-9 and that will have been our big 2nd place in the AFC South run...

Dont' worry. We'll get back to....2nd....in about 10 more years...
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The fact that he went back into the game after the injury and NOW is seeing several specialists AFTER the game, tends to make me believe that he had a stress or undisplaced fracture which commonly may not be picked up on regular x-ray for as long as 10 days. Kubiak even essentially said that the x-ray machine in Reliant is not exactly anything state of the art. But the decision on the basis of not seeing anything on that x-ray (an x-ray at that point only can be considered useful if it positively demonstrates a fracture or at least a separation of bones implying ligament damage.........not when it's negative), the decision was made to let him return to play, instead of playing it on the side of caution and waiting to hopefully obtain a more definitive diagnosis on your valuable QB with more sensitive and reliable testing. The return to play decision in such a case could have easily extended the injury to completion of a stress fracture or ligament tear, or a displacement of an already present recently sustained stress or undisplaced fracture........making surgery the only option.

I don't in any way profess to have all of the facts. But the above turn of events would not surprise me. We will again all have to wait for what facts the Texans finally decide to eventually release.
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So, if I'm getting you, we're pretty much waiting to see if it's a stable Lisfranc that ends his season or an unstable Lisfranc that may end his career?
 
Honestly, Leinart sucks big time.

I'd rather have the other guy in there by a land-slide, but we're going to lose our shirts from here on anyway.

God hates Houston sports and might as well take out the whole O-line, because we're screwed anyway.
 
WTF!!?! The Texans just can't get a break. Just got home from work and this is what I see! Bad timing for Kubiak and the organization. Well... Next man up.
 
Cjeremy635 said:
I remember several reports being inaccurate this year about the Texans. Recall the "Leinart to Seahawks" report? Remember the "Walter out for several weeks/season"? He missed 1 game IIRC. People want news, and dramatic stories make headlines. They could be right, but I'm trying to be cautiously optimistic.
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The difference i've seen is the significance of the player. When walter went down it was barely reported, but when Mario when down you had every insider in the industry looking into it and 10 minutes after his MRI you had the news. As much as i hate it, adam schefter is rarely wrong.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
The fact that he went back into the game after the injury and NOW is seeing several specialists AFTER the game, tends to make me believe that he had a stress or undisplaced fracture which commonly may not be picked up on regular x-ray for as long as 10 days. Kubiak even essentially said that the x-ray machine in Reliant is not exactly anything state of the art. But the decision on the basis of not seeing anything on that x-ray (an x-ray at that point only can be considered useful if it positively demonstrates a fracture or at least a separation of bones implying ligament damage.........not when it's negative), the decision was made to let him return to play, instead of playing it on the side of caution and waiting to hopefully obtain a more definitive diagnosis on your valuable QB with more sensitive and reliable testing. The return to play decision in such a case could have easily extended the injury to completion of a stress fracture or ligament tear, or a displacement of an already present recently sustained stress or undisplaced fracture........making surgery the only option.

I don't in any way profess to have all of the facts. But the above turn of events would not surprise me. We will again all have to wait for what facts the Texans finally decide to eventually release.
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If the x-ray didn't produce a definitive "picture" of what might be there, then maybe it's not as severe? I get what you're saying though--It could take 10 days and more "pictures" to see more clearly what's going on in his foot, correct?

Which, if I am thinking correctly, is why Kubiak said that Schaub is going to have several more looksies at it over the next two weeks. Maybe?

Am I on the right track, or no?

c10x said:
This either goes one of two ways, or I'll be disappointed. Either Leinart shows that he's been hungry for another shot, and has been working this entire time (not just the next 2 weeks) - OR we go after a QB early in the draft next year. If we don't do either, then I'll be very disappointed. Schaub is neither young, an ironman, or exceptionally athletic. His replacement needs to start being groomed. Think Aaron Rogers, with a 3 year sit behind Favre.
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I don't see how Kubiak, Smith, and McNair do not take a QB in round 1 or 2 of the 2012 draft. Now is the time. You have to grab a guy and sit him for 2012...let Schaub play in 2012 and let the new kid sit and watch, then let the chips fall where they may for Matt Schaub after 2012 season ends--Either he stays and assumes a backup/mentor role for the sophomore QB or he tries to go after QB1 money elsewhere. Franchise tag in this situation--What does it look like and would it be a viable option on Schaub to gain us a 2013 out of him just to have the insurance and maybe even sit the sophomore another year?
 
I think Leinart will be good enough to get in to the playoffs but I think not having Schaub will hurt the most in the playoffs.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
...could have easily extended the injury to completion of a stress fracture or ligament tear, or a displacement of an already present recently sustained stress or undisplaced fracture........making surgery the only option.
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What do you make of not coming right out & saying surgery is the only option..... I mean they did more tests today & have sent the x-ray or MRI to some specialist & waiting for a guy who is out of the country, etc... etc..

If it were the situation you described, we wouldn't need to go for all these second & third opinions right?
 
It's like a cosmic predestination that the Texans are not allowed to do well. Just when people were finally starting to remark about the Texans being a good team, and just when I was finally starting to believe that the team was going somewhere, we get this news. I was talking with a coworker at lunch today about how the Texans were finally into the "good team" category that reminded me of teams that you expect to be able to win every game. Then, we get this news, and it's back to the same old "if things go just right, we maybe have a shot to be better than mediocre" feeling.
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Texans Pride said:
How is Leinart's mobility? Is this a strength we can play to?
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Honestly, when I watched him in the preseason...he is not very fast and he got chased down very quickly. I can remember one preseason game where he played a lot...granted, it was with 2nd and 3rd stringers alongside him...he would roll out and could barely get to the sideline to throw it away as defnders were hunting him down.

As bad as Schaub is about mobility, I'm pretty sure Schaub is better than Leinart in that category--It's more having to do with timing and trust of the WRs/TEs, and overall awareness...THAT, IMO, is where Schaub is obviously one-up on Leinart as we wait to see how Leinart does out there. Can Leinart hoof it and get out there on the bootlegs (PROPERLY) or does his footwork get sloppy and he lumbers about and ruins the flow of the pass play??? Just read where Leinart says "I've been working on my footwork and it's gotten better" but man oh man he has GOT to be 100% on whether it's improved or not. We're all gonna' find out in two weeks, that's for sure.

If I was McNair, I'm not going to sit and wait to see if Leinart will do OK. Yeah, I'm definitely going to let him play vs. Jax. However, I'm going to go out and get Favre like I should have done a season or two ago when I had the chance to. Because THIS year, a guy like Favre who KILLS defenses when his RBs and o-line are running the ball really, really well (it's the play-action that Favre murders defenses with, duh!) a guy like Favre, if I'm McNair, presents some sort of playoff experience whereby you can try to Kurt Warner this deal and get a ring out of the situation.

Favre is smart. He wants to play, even if I have always ragged on the guy for it. He could take our offense and slay opponents with Foster-Tate-OD/Dreessen-AJ-KW/JJ. SLAY THEM.

If I'm McNair, I call the old man up and tell him we need a gunslinger for hire. We need a hired gun. Do you not think this Texans defense would absolutely go bonkers if they had Leinart and Favre to trust with Schaub being on the shelf for so long? It's not a shot at Leinart, he has to know this is how it goes. This is how it is. This is the NFL, and you do what you have to do in order to field the best team you can no matter the circumstances.

I'm on the phone with Favre right now. I'm telling him he has two weeks to come and learn the playbook. He has the Jax game to sit on the sideline and soak it up even more, and he might get the shot if Leinart is sinking.

I don't wait and see. I see that this as a title that is here for our taking; that we've been held down one way or another for way too long now, and I'm going to lie, steal, cheat or even kill to get the Texans as far as I can.

I won't blame Bob if he doesn't do it. I really won't. But man, I'd go nuts if he pulled off a stunt like this and made it happen. After Leinart, there's who??? I love Yates, rah-rah-rah and all that jazz, but he is who he is...and this season is here for us RIGHT NOW. RIGHT. NOW.

Out of all the out-of-work QBs that I would trust to throw the ball and make things happen, based on what we got for that QB to work with, Old Man Favre has to be the one guy you look at it and think "You know what? The guy can go balls if he has a running game to keep defenses honest." Period.

End of rant.
 
asleep said:
So, if I'm getting you, we're pretty much waiting to see if it's a stable Lisfranc that ends his season or an unstable Lisfranc that may end his carreer?
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The former is pretty much true. The latter does not necessarily hold true. But it is a long return to playing shape. And when he returns, he may not be the immobile Schaub we know. He may become the very immobile Schaub we would rather not know.
 
leebigeztx said:
In terms of mobility, ability, and iq, rg3 is perfect for kubes. Big arm, accurate, high iq,great feet.
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I'm on board, leebigeztx. I was on board way back at the start of the NCAA season when I went into the college football forum and started asking you guys about RG3 and if he's legit or a poser like we saw in JeMarcus Russell and VY.

The consensus was that he's a pretty doggone good QB.

Accurate (he threw a bazillion completions before throwing his first interception), mobile, and a home-state college kid. I like it, but I think we'd have to move way up to grab him in early round 1 with how desperate teams are for a quality QB these days.

Andy Dalton would have been ideal, but hindsight is 20/20.
 
GP said:
I don't see how Kubiak, Smith, and McNair do not take a QB in round 1 or 2 of the 2012 draft.
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Why?

Do you, or do you not like what Schaub has done over the past 5 years? Matt Schaub was not a 1st or 2nd round pick, not until we gave up two 2nds to get him.
 
GP said:
I'm on the phone with Favre right now...
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I'm on the phone with Elway.
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