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Schaub injured (update)

If it helps, our offense is essentially built to suit a game managing QB. Run, run, run. Lots of passes to the TEs. Kill teams off the play action.


Frankly, we just need a QB who won't force the ball often, if at all, and our running game to show up.
 
thunderkyss said:
We've got guys wanting to trade Mario for a stick of chewing gum.

We've got guys who felt we would be "ok" if Arian never came back with Tate & Ward.

We've got guys who want to get rid of Jacoby Jones when we only had 1 other healthy WR.

We just want this team to get better.
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Don't be condescending. There were a ton of Schaub threads all over this site advocating for his demise on this team by a lot of posters and a ton of radio callers asking for the same thing completely forgetting how hard it is to win without a capable QB that can put up numbers like Schaub can. I don't give a damn about what people think of Mario or Foster or any of those other situations you mentioned. That's not what this is about. Schaub is gone now so the folks who wanted him gone can see what it's like without him taking the snaps. They'll either learn to appreciate him or seeing Leinart out there will further those thoughts of wanting him shipped out of here.

If Leinart plays like I believe that he can, it just might make those same fans holler it even more. I don't think that the offense will take a huge hit. It will take hit, but maybe not a huge one.
 
I'm not worried just yet.

We're built on the run game and team defense now....which is the kind of team I always wanted.

At worst, we just need Leinart be a game manager. At best, his almost 2 years here has made him a good pro QB.
 
In hindsight, we have to be super glad that Leinart didn't leave for Seatle earlier in the season. Could you imagine being stuck with T.J at this point?
 
The Chron per McLame says its an ankle sprain. Grade two recovery is 4-6 weeks, and Grade three is 8-12 according to a website i went to. So doesn Schaub have a Grade 2.8 Sprain.

Seems kind of long for an Ankle Sprain in the NFL, unless its high ankle.
 
Texecutioner said:
Don't be condescending. There were a ton of Schaub threads all over this site advocating for his demise on this team by a lot of posters and a ton of radio callers asking for the same thing completely forgetting how hard it is to win without a capable QB that can put up numbers like Schaub can. I don't give a damn about what people think of Mario or Foster or any of those other situations you mentioned. That's not what this is about. Schaub is gone now so the folks who wanted him gone can see what it's like without him taking the snaps. They'll either learn to appreciate him or seeing Leinart out there will further those thoughts of wanting him shipped out of here.

If Leinart plays like I believe that he can, it just might make those same fans holler it even more. I don't think that the offense will take a huge hit. It will take hit, but maybe not a huge one.
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After some consideration, I think the odds are good that the regular season will continue to progress as it has, with us beating up on mediocre teams by two or more scores, making big plays in the play action game, and running all over the field. Unfortunately, there will be a time in the playoffs when we need a two minute offensive drive. When and if that occurs, we will miss Matt Schaub.

Also, though unlikely, it is possible that Leinart totally wilts under pressure and plays poorly, derailing the entire season.
 
TexanFan881 said:
Kubiak insists he doesn't know where everyone is getting these "out for the season" reports and that they won't find out until next week...
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Kubiak doesn't even know when he's allowed to throw the challenge flag!!

Just kidding...he's just like the rest of us, holding on to that small chance he can still play this season
 
dalemurphy said:
When and if that occurs, we will miss Matt Schaub.
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Well you and I believe that is a huge loss, but a lot of fans on this board and in Houston believe that Schaub is a choker in the clutch. YOu're right it's a loss though none the less. Matt Leinart was damn good in the clutch in college though.

dalemurphy said:
Also, though unlikely, it is possible that Leinart totally wilts under pressure and plays poorly, derailing the entire season.
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I don't think that we'll have to lean on him enough for that to happen.
 
Big Lou said:
The Chron per McLame says its an ankle sprain. Grade two recovery is 4-6 weeks, and Grade three is 8-12 according to a website i went to. So doesn Schaub have a Grade 2.8 Sprain.

Seems kind of long for an Ankle Sprain in the NFL, unless its high ankle.
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He just said that it was a fracture too on Twitter, and that he would get second opinion to avoid surgery. :kubepalm:
 
Wolf said:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20111113027&page=plays
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I think this is one of the few teams that can overcome the loss of a starting QB. Your team identity has changed drastically - its now more in the image of a Steeler-type team - great running game, physical and a solid to great defense.

Schaub or no Schaub you're still going to win the AFC South. No way do the Titans have it in them to go 6-2 in the 2nd half, which IMO is what they would need to stick with the Texans.

Even still, no Schaub costs the Texans a shot at being a legit Super Bowl contender.

For the record, the Kubiak sucks chants need to probably stop. 7-3 without Mario and AJ is damn good work for any coach.
 
I know it sounds crazy, but I think we are going to be just fine. Sure Matt2 isn't as good as Schaub, but I think he will fill in just fine. I just have a feeling you're going to see the Matt2 of USC as oppossed to the one in Arizona.
 
XI CMURDER IX said:
He just said that it was a fracture too on Twitter, and that he would get second opinion to avoid surgery. :kubepalm:
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Yeh and just found out about the Frac Lis thing, which he mentions in a newer article, I think he is using Schefters Twitter as his inside source......
 
TexanFan881 said:
Kubiak insists he doesn't know where everyone is getting these "out for the season" reports and that they won't find out until next week...
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If the injury is as reported (and I'm guessing it is), all you have to do is google lisfranc fracture to know that he's done for the year. Kubes is hoping for a miracle here...

That said, I'm well into my 2nd scotch :kubepalm:, but will start drinking Leinart koolaid tomorrow...


:koolaid: :koolaid: :koolaid:
 
Here's another Leinert one...
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I just listened to the Coach Kubiak show.....he said the injury is not season ending yet......that Schaub will go see a couple of specialists first.....but that is not season ending yet....

Dang ESPN......saying it is season ending......wtf ESPN.....they are just putting it out there to say it....they have nothing confirmed by the Texans yet......TOTAL MFBS.......

Espn......bspn........
 
rush2112mn said:
I just listened to the Coach Kubiak show.....he said the injury is not season ending yet......that Schaub will go see a couple of specialists first.....but that is not season ending yet....

Dang ESPN......saying it is season ending......wtf ESPN.....they are just putting it out there to say it....they have nothing confirmed by the Texans yet......TOTAL MFBS.......

Espn......bspn........
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Kubiak said it is a serious injury. He wouldn't confirm that it was season ending, but reading between the lines it would be extremely fortunate if it wasn't.
 
rush2112mn said:
I just listened to the Coach Kubiak show.....he said the injury is not season ending yet......that Schaub will go see a couple of specialists first.....but that is not season ending yet....

Dang ESPN......saying it is season ending......wtf ESPN.....they are just putting it out there to say it....they have nothing confirmed by the Texans yet......TOTAL MFBS.......

Espn......bspn........
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It is, Kubes is just being silly. Maybe the team thinks there is some revolutionary procedure to get him back on the field or something...or Kubes is just being a NFL head coach and downplaying an injury.
 
ESPN says its a Lisfranc joint in right foot.

plus Schaub has a appointment with a dr that specializes Lisfranc injurys
 
Iceman16 said:
We'll miss Schaub in a clutch situation when he needs to win us a game?

Lol?
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Are you insinuating that Schaub doesn't execute the two minute offense well... or, he hasn't been clutch late in games? Give me a break! I realize he isn't Peyton or Brady but the guy has been very good since his return from injury late in 2008.
 
So the injury happens because the Texans take over in their own endzone pretty much and Schaub takes a QB sneak just to get some space....

So had Kareem just been his normal self and gave up the TD the Texans would have still had Schaub....

F'n Kareem Jackson.
 
TexanFan881 said:
Maybe I'm just thinking too hard but...

With Leinart at QB the threat of the passing game is significantly less. This puts more pressure on the running game. Houston is in a four way tie for 10th in rushing yards per attempt. Nothing incredibly special. And that will only get worse with no threat of a passing game.

The reason the defense has been so good is because they have been good against the pass. Against the rush we are in a four way tie for 12th in rushing yards per attempt. The reason the numbers look so good looking at yards per game is because of our early leads and making teams have to pass the ball. With the shortage of offense and points, teams will be able to run the ball more often.

I just see this spiraling into a lot of new issues. I do think we can get two or three wins though, just don't see anywhere in the playoffs without Schaub. Next year....
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If you truly think the running game this year has been "nothing incredibly special" I don't know what team you have been watching.

I would also say that while we are not an elite run defense most of the rush yards against us have actually come when we are ahead late and everyone has their ears pinned back rushing the passer.
 
fiasco west said:
So the injury happens because the Texans take over in their own endzone pretty much and Schaub takes a QB sneak just to get some space....

So had Kareem just been his normal self and gave up the TD the Texans would have still had Schaub....

F'n Kareem Jackson.
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:bravo:
 
Matt(2) will come in and our offense will keep on rolling. When you think about it, MS is not that great. He's not mobile, can't/won't run the ball, he does not have a strong arm, does not read the defense all that well, and although he is somewhat accurate he makes some really questionable short and long throws that make you wonder....plus he can't throw a fade to AJ in the corner.

No Mario, no AJ, no MS, NO PROBLEM!:bravo:
 
Matt Leinart’s seen how Brooks Reed has produced for the Texans since Mario Williams went down.

He said in a conference call with reporters Monday evening he’s hoping to fill in for Matt Schaub with similar success.

The Texans have said Schaub is getting further examines on his foot, but that he’s out for sure for the team’s next game, Nov. 27 at Jacksonville. Adam Schefter reports the lis franc injury is a season-ender for Schaub.

Leinart joined the Texans for the 2010 season and was third in line behind Schaub and Dan Orlovsky. He liked things so much that while he might have been able to find a situation that could have got him on the field sooner, he re-signed and came back as Schaub’s primary backup, ahead of rookie T.J. Yates.

“I’m really bummed for Matt,” he said of Schaub. “..Btu he knows and everyone knows in this profession things happen and the next guy has to step up and that’s my job, my responsibility as a quarterback, to take his place right now and to help this team win.”

“It’s a great opportunity and I’m on a great football team and I love these guys and I’m just excited about the chance.”

Leinart sounds like he believes he’s a different guy than the first-round draft pick who did not pan out in Arizona.

He loves working with Schaub and has high praise for coach Gary Kubiak, offensive coordinator Rick Dennison and quarterback coach Greg Knapp.

“The quarterback coaching here is second to none, it’s unbelievable.” Leinart said. “I think that’s why Matt has been able to be so successful and efficient for years now.”

It’s demanding in a way he said is intended to bring out the best in a quarterback and that’s how it should work for him now that he’s older and more mature. His job now is to trust what the coaches tell him, manage the offense and be efficient.

He’s worked hard on his footwork, and it’s supposed to help steer him to throw the ball to the right place.

The offense should be the same, as he shares strengths with Schaub.

“That’s something I’ve always been comfortable with, in college we ran (bootleg) all the time, as much as we do here,” he said. “And it’s part of the reason why I love this offense so much. At Arizona, we weren’t a big boot-action, play-action and boot-pass team at all. Obviously here with the way we run the ball so well, that’s a huge part of our offense and that’s something that I really feel comfortable doing.”

A healthy stable of weapons expected to include Andre Johnson after a long-stretch out with a hamstring injury will help Leinart a great deal, and the team can continue to lean on running backs Arian Foster and Ben Tate.

“I imagine now defenses are going to try to make me throw the ball to win,” he said. “We’ve got some great guys on the outside to do that… It’s going to be fun. Matt is the leader of this team and he got us to this position.

“I told Gary, we’ll just continue to go and win for him and keep this thing going forward.”
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http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/30692/leinart-expecting-success-as-texans-qb
 
rush2112mn said:
I just listened to the Coach Kubiak show.....he said the injury is not season ending yet......that Schaub will go see a couple of specialists first.....but that is not season ending yet....

Dang ESPN......saying it is season ending......wtf ESPN.....they are just putting it out there to say it....they have nothing confirmed by the Texans yet......TOTAL MFBS.......

Espn......bspn........
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Shefter's reporting it...so it's likely true. Unfortunately, Shefter is rarely incorrect.
 
CloakNNNdagger said:
This is how most Lisfrancs occur. The player is down and another player falls or steps full weight onto the heel of the fallen player.

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Oh SNAP!!
that hurts just looking at it.

You know, seems like stuff seems to happen to Schaub when he goes against fat Albert.
...just sayin'....
 
With all the sports I've watched, all the teams I've followed, no one has created such a range of frustrations and disappointments as the Texans.

And now we are finally 7-3 and being talked about as potential playoff contenders....and we lose our starting QB.

Words can't express...
 
Jackie Chiles said:
If you truly think the running game this year has been "nothing incredibly special" I don't know what team you have been watching.

I would also say that while we are not an elite run defense most of the rush yards against us have actually come when we are ahead late and everyone has their ears pinned back rushing the passer.
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Ok, nothing incredibly special might be pushing it, but it isn't what everyone is making it. It's not the best in the league. We are running the ball 35 times a game...of course if we are halfway decent we would be up there yardage wise. 4.4 yards per carry...there are 9 teams in the league that are better than that...and we don't have much of a passing game left. Schaub is way better than anyone around here and gives him credit for. Leinart will not fill his role. There will be a void. There's no doubt and a beat will be missed. But we can still win. Just worried.
 
I personally think we're screwed.

A big reason our run games works is because teams have to respect the play action pass. Not anymore
 
TexanFan881 said:
Ok, nothing incredibly special might be pushing it, but it isn't what everyone is making it. It's not the best in the league. We are running the ball 35 times a game...of course if we are halfway decent we would be up there yardage wise. 4.4 yards per carry...there are 9 teams in the league that are better than that...and we don't have much of a passing game left. Schaub is way better than anyone around here and gives him credit for. Leinart will not fill his role. There will be a void. There's no doubt and a beat will be missed. But we can still win. Just worried.
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Dude, you gotta change that sig :vincepalm:
 
TexanFan881 said:
Ok, nothing incredibly special might be pushing it, but it isn't what everyone is making it. It's not the best in the league. We are running the ball 35 times a game...of course if we are halfway decent we would be up there yardage wise. 4.4 yards per carry...there are 9 teams in the league that are better than that
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When it matters its been special. Those numbers might be skewed because how many times have we opened up the second half with a big lead and just tried to force-feed our run down the opponents throats for 2 quarters to close out a game. Teams could stack the box with 11 guys and we would still run it because we wanted to eat up clock.
 
gtexan02 said:
I personally think we're screwed.

A big reason our run games works is because teams have to respect the play action pass. Not anymore
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Well we won't know if that is true until we see Matt 2 play. We are asking a LOT less of our QB this year then we did in years past. This obviously hurts us, but we should still be able to win most of the games on our remaining schedule. 10 wins should still be the minimum expectation IMO.
 
The Cush said:
When it matters its been special. Those numbers might be skewed because how many times have we opened up the second half with a big lead and just tried to force-feed our run down the opponents throats for 2 quarters to close out a game. Teams could stack the box with 11 guys and we would still run it because we wanted to eat up clock.
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True, good point, hopefully I'm just being pessimistic right now. But you're definitely right in that case, especially late in games when all we've done is hand the ball off after having explosive first halves. And with knowing we are running and stacking the box, 4.4 yards per carry looks a lot more impressive. I'm trying to talk myself out of this pessimism hahaha


Ryan said:
Dude, you gotta change that sig :vincepalm:
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Uh definitely, I don't know why I've never gotten around to it. For a long time I didn't post here, just lurked. Just recently started posting every once in awhile. Totally forgot about it to be honest. Pretty funny to see how far we've gone.
 
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