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Cushing suspended 4 games for violating policy on performance-enhancing substances

TexansFight said:
Maybe you wouldn't have to drink so much and Pink Soapers like myself, steelbtexan and Second Honeymoon wouldn't be so damn irritable if McNair wasn't clueless and his complacent Smithiak regime did their damn jobs and gets us a damn playoff berth.

I am sick of the excuses and the color coded game day gimmicks and other BS. Give us a God damned playoff team. It shouldn't take a decade to get there.
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And what the **** does that have to do with Brian Cushing?? Typical of the soapers unmitigated, self endulged agendas....

Randi is not a cheerleader this year because Bob McNair has no clue and is too cheap.. Pretty ridiculous, no? :thinking: Actually between you and SH, Y'all would probably try to make that argument.
 
The Comedy thread

Brian Cushing Just cost the team and it will show during the Colts game but more to my disliking it will cost us during the Dallas Game. I am dissapointed that he did this and cannot wait till he returns. We have a tough schedule and we were depending on him to get us through it. Brian I have to say that is on you bud. No telling what you took but your making millions, hire a nutrititionist for christ sake. You are the target of every roid dealer in the world.
 
Joe Texan said:
The Comedy thread

Brian Cushing Just cost the team and it will show during the Colts game but more to my disliking it will cost us during the Dallas Game. I am dissapointed that he did this and cannot wait till he returns. We have a tough schedule and we were depending on him to get us through it. Brian I have to say that is on you bud. No telling what you took but your making millions, hire a nutrititionist for christ sake. You are the target of every roid dealer in the world.
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Comedy thread? Thread of FAIL and asshatery, maybe.
 
I am NOT making this up:

There is a scientist who collects the brains of deceased NFL players. They are all the color of a football (ironically), not gray like they should be, from all the hemorrhaging. Football is far worse for you than steroids. Can't say steroids are healthy at all, but football is worse. Those helmets are great for keeping them from cracking their skulls, but their brains are still slamming into the inside of them. It floats around in there, you know. On top of that, your skull is likely not smooth on the inside like the outside. It is likely somewhat jagged.

HGH, when not taken in massive quantities, is actually very good for you, although in small quantities it is useless to anyone under 30--except possibly for healing injuries, especially to joints. It has a bad rap because some of these guys have more of that than blood in their veins. :sarcasm:
 
Hardcore Texan said:
You make a compelling argument but I disagree all the way around. I enjoy watching high school football alot too and it's definitely not a prevalent there. I will never agree to the use of steriods no matter the argument. People elect to play football and people elect to use steroids and I don't condone the latter just because I am football fan. Sorry, I have to put quality of life over a game.
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I can understand preferring high school sports and agree that it isn't as prevalent there (although I think it is definitely a factor, especially for certain schools). But I think that if you really don't like steroids, the NFL may not be for you. I think that the NFL, much like MLB, has no interest in completely eliminating steroids. I know a few people who say they gave up baseball after the steroids scandal -- admittedly there is a lot more evidence of widespread abuse in MLB so their anger is more understandable. Personally I think that steroids are being developed faster than the NFL can develop testing techniques. This will never stop, because society values elite athletes too much.

I also think that people who elect to play football, even in high school, are putting a game over quality of life. Sure, steroids make the problem worse. But if quality of life is all that matters be a baseball player or a golfer. You can play these sports twice as long as football. You make more money. They do not destroy your body anywhere near as much. I can't think of many sports worse than football in terms of physical wear on your body (other than boxing). Even though it's anecdotal evidence, I've known a lot of kids in high school that suffered major injuries due to football. More than every other sport combined -- although that's surely in part because so many kids here play football than the other sports that more are bound to get injured.

I accept the dangers of football when I watch it. I came to grips with the fact that I am watching people destroy themselves on live TV. From there, it wasn't that big of a jump to accept that they are going to use steroids. The incentives are too great for them to use. They are set up for life if they can run a 40 yard dash a half a second faster one day.
 
TexansFanatic said:
Cushing says he didn't take steroids. He says he was suspended for another banned substance --- not roids.
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Anyway it goes, he was suspended for either a masking agent or something he shouldn't have taken. Glazer didn't sound happy on sirius today. I don't see why guys just don't take the nfl approved supplements and go about there bizzness. Cheating is cheating
 
leebigeztx said:
Anyway it goes, he was suspended for either a masking agent or something he shouldn't have taken. Glazer didn't sound happy on sirius today. I don't see why guys just don't take the nfl approved supplements and go about there bizzness. Cheating is cheating
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There are about a dozen stimulants on the NFL's list of banned substances. A few of them can be found in over-the-counter medicine. Ephedrine, for instance.

It's plausible he took something he shouldn't have when he was sick and one of the ingredients found its way onto a drug test. It happens.
 
infantrycak said:
How about quoting that and not someone assuming that is what it was?

And again, there are hundreds of things that can pop positive on the NFL testing. Let's wait to find out what it was before rushing to judgment.
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Adam Schefter of ESPN reports defensive rookie of the year Brian Cushing learned he is being suspended four games for violating the NFL's steroid policy, according to league sources.

Cushing appealed the league's decision at a hearing at the NFL scouting combine in February but was informed Friday his appeal had been rejected, according to sources.

Cushing will be allowed to participate in training camp with the Texans this summer, but then will serve his four game suspension to start the 2010 regular season.

Cushing's attorney, Harvey Steinberg, did not return telephone calls seeking comment
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reason for my comment
 
GP said:
How do you have all this information? Are you a user of the stuff?

Because I sit here and see that you rattled off quite a bit of stuff that would take me an entire day to research and cross-reference. If you are a user, which I don't know that you are (but hey, look at how passionate you are about it) then it makes sense as to why your viewpoint is slanted differently than the average poster on here who is discouraged today.

If you don't use, are you near someone who does? Or have you been in environments (workout gyms, competitions of some kind, etc.) where you've picked up on this information?

I can't fathom why you are so uniquely opposite-minded on this.
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I'm not Wagonhed and I didn't post this. BUT... I've got access to a lot of the same information. And I think my stance is fairly similar.

I'm a powerlifter. I haven't competed since 2004 but I have no doubt I'll compete again within the next year or two. I compete in drug tested federations. Primarily AAU and WNPF. Because of that, I've had to become more aware of what normal everyday OTC drugs I can't take or at least when I can't take them. Because even a normal OTC drug can give you a positive PED test. (I was a lot more aware of the testing standards and banned substances about 8-9 years ago.)

I know a lot of guys who lift in federations that do NOT test. And I know a lot of guys who are pretty up front about their drug use and I've learned a lot via osmosis from them. Some of them are scientists and from them, I've learned a lot about actual effects and some of the things that are myths.

I can't believe that any professional athlete is stupid enough to think he can take steroids and get away with it. But I can easily see someone taking something that gives a masking agent positive or some other positive. Some pretty innocuous things can cause false positives for a LONG time after you take them (pro-hormones and cough syrups are examples.)

And I think that almost all athletes are taking lots of things that they hope will improve their performance. Creatine, protein supplements, fish/flax oils, etc., etc. I've seen athletes take chances on some pretty wacky LEGAL things that may help them and won't give them a positive test.
 
This whole thread can be summarized easily:

Cushing takes steroids, everyone takes steroids, almost everyone is better at not getting caught than Cushing, and wagonhed can't engage in a discussion without arguing, irrespective of his actual argument.

Can we just /end thread already? Jeez.
 
eriadoc said:
This whole thread can be summarized easily:

Cushing takes steroids, everyone takes steroids, almost everyone is better at not getting caught than Cushing, and wagonhed can't engage in a discussion without arguing, irrespective of his actual argument.

Can we just /end thread already? Jeez.
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I think you forgot to add how this whole situation is all on McNair, Smith and Kubiak. :gun:
 
ATXtexanfan said:
why hasn't he tweeted or told some reporter what it was he took?
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He kinda did...



Cushing, who said in a statement that he tested positive for a non-steroidal banned substance, appealed the league's decision at a hearing at the NFL scouting combine in February, but the linebacker was informed Friday his appeal had been rejected.

"I believe we presented compelling evidence during the appeal process to challenge the test results, and I disagree with and am disappointed by the suspension," Cushing said in the statement. "Bound by the decision of the league, I regret the situation it presents to the Texans' organization, my teammates, and our fans. My dedication to a championship season in 2010 continues undeterred."



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5172060
 
JB said:
He kinda did...



Cushing, who said in a statement that he tested positive for a non-steroidal banned substance, appealed the league's decision at a hearing at the NFL scouting combine in February, but the linebacker was informed Friday his appeal had been rejected.

"I believe we presented compelling evidence during the appeal process to challenge the test results, and I disagree with and am disappointed by the suspension," Cushing said in the statement. "Bound by the decision of the league, I regret the situation it presents to the Texans' organization, my teammates, and our fans. My dedication to a championship season in 2010 continues undeterred."



http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5172060
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is it something we all have in our houses? is it available over the counter at GNC? i wanna give him the benifit of doubt but i cant till i know what it was. ya know
 
ATXtexanfan said:
is it something we all have in our houses? is it available over the counter at GNC? i wanna give him the benifit of doubt but i cant till i know what it was. ya know
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I know, but I think you give him the benefit of the doubt until you know what it is... you know?
 
ATXtexanfan said:
is it something we all have in our houses? is it available over the counter at GNC? i wanna give him the benifit of doubt but i cant till i know what it was. ya know
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I'm kinda with you here. We all supported Cush during the accusations and dismissed them as jealous rubbish last season. Now even though this has been reported as non-steroid matter, I'm still more than dubious.

All I know, until the full details are released are that he has let down the team, and for that I am furious, but he should stay on the team. If this happens again, he's gone.
 
How many of yalls opinions of players actually hinge on whether they use steroids/HGH or not? Serious question. If you know that a player is using do you lose all respect for them?

Let me just run through a who's who list of people who, in my opinion, are without a doubt using now or have used in the past few years:

MJD
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DWill and J. Stewart
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AP
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(and pretty much all the other 220lb ripped RBs out there)


moving on to TEs
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Kevin Winslow
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And here's some defense, just for kicks.

Dwight Freeney
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Mario Williams
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Andre Carter
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Trent Cole
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Darnell Dockett
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If only wagonhed could devote the same energy into our BOTD...

Nice photos but your presumption is lost on me. I've met and have known plenty of ripped people. I've never met anyone that I knew was to be juicing. They seemed to be normal people who treat their bodies as a temple. Good on them.
 
A serious question from a guy that noticed the baseball players shrunk a bunch after they were busted .

How will this affect Cushing the player ? Will he drop weight ? Will he be a has been after one year ?

Yes ... my main concern is Cushing the player . To me , he took a calculated risk and now my fellow fans , who paid good money to watch him , will be impacted .

My personal opinion is , where there is smoke , there's fire . He's parlayed this into millions and I hope he can come back clean and play well .
 
Honoring Earl 34 said:
A serious question from a guy that noticed the baseball players shrunk a bunch after they were busted .

How will this affect Cushing the player ? Will he drop weight ? Will he be a has been after one year ?

Yes ... my main concern is Cushing the player . To me , he took a calculated risk and now my fellow fans , who paid good money to watch him , will be impacted .

My personal opinion is , where there is smoke , there's fire . He's parlayed this into millions and I hope he can come back clean and play well .
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It seems you are taking it for granted that he was busted for steroids. If he was, I agree with you. If not, I think this is a bit harsh.
 
I guess eric answered my question
Wow! With friends like Jay Glazer who needs enemies! He used Cush to pump up his service and then when Cush hits a bump in the road, he Wants nothing to do with him. Sad to see just another guy out there for personal gain and could care less about the people he works with.

I'm not saying Cush it's ok to break the rules but you stick by your friends, not run from them when they face adversity.
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Big strong bodies don't JUST come from juicing. They also come from HGH!

Seriously though I have a buddy that played DT in DII football. Had a great season but did not get invited to the combine. His teammate and friend did. Between the end of the season my buddy worked out like a mad man, twice a day and did position drills like crazy. His teammate never did. The teammate did poorly at the combine and went from a potential 3rd rounder to undrafted FA. Because of my friend's work ethic he was given an opportunity to play Arena ball and even try out with the Vikings. As solid as he was in DII the NFL players were faster and stronger and he knew he needed some help, so for the first (and only time he said) he did a steroid cycle and has regretted it ever since.

While he said he never saw guys shooting up in the lockeroom, there was an understanding that a large majority were doing something to enhance their performance.

So, for those that think PEDs in sports are an isolated matter it really isn't. While nutrition, supplements, and better exercise has improved, HGH, Roids, or whatever else athletes are using have also significantly affected Sports in 2010.
 
JB said:
It seems you are taking it for granted that he was busted for steroids. If he was, I agree with you. If not, I think this is a bit harsh.
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Here is the thing, it doesn't really matter what he was suspended for. If it is Roids, its bad for obvious reasons. If it is a supplement that can act as a masking agent it is bad. Your job as an NFL player is to get out on the field. If you choose to use supplements you better be a chemist and know EVERYTHING that is in the supplement and know the interaction effects. Simply taking these things without this knowledge is borderline reckless and teeters on the stupid.
 
Dan B. said:
IIRC Bush wanted a Romanowski type of player when he drafted Cush. Careful what you wish for I guess.
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I think I remember him saying that now that you mentioned it. They definitely have the same demeanor on the football field (excluding Cush spitting in people's faces.)

I really hope this turns out to be something other than roids. Even if it doesn't, that wont change my opinion on Cushing. He will still be my favorite defensive player, and I will still respect the guy for the way he plays the game. :jam:
 
awtysst said:
Here is the thing, it doesn't really matter what he was suspended for. If it is Roids, its bad for obvious reasons. If it is a supplement that can act as a masking agent it is bad. Your job as an NFL player is to get out on the field. If you choose to use supplements you better be a chemist and know EVERYTHING that is in the supplement and know the interaction effects. Simply taking these things without this knowledge is borderline reckless and teeters on the stupid.
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My point was that at this point, we do not know what he tested positive for. He has made a statement that it was for a non-steroid substance. And that could have been from taking a OTC for a cold.
 
I just don't believe that someone as careful as Cushing with his body would take one of the non-steroid substances and get busted for it.

Im guessing it was either a masking agent or something similar if it wasn't a steroid
 
The Cushroid will be immediately be forgiven with any combination of two in a game: an int, a sack, a Peyton leg break, a safety, or caused a fumble.
 
Support him or gtfo in my opinion.

If you are a Texans fan.. 24 hours ago you loved Brian Cushing. And if you are a Texans fan.. i can understand disappointment, sadness, even anger... but shitting on Cushing today is just unforgivable. It is possible to voice your disappointment without bad mouthing, name calling, or making wild accusations.

I need to make a list of all you ****ers that are throwing him under the bus. You people are pathetic. I can only hope that some day you find yourself in a tough situation and everyone who cares about you uses that opportunity to walk all over you.

For those of you here who have never made a mistake.. I hope you have contacted your church because as of right now, im pretty sure no one knew that Jesus was walking the earth again. You shoulda let us know when you got here big J.

For the rest of you.. congrats on being a normal flawed human being. Maybe you should use that shared human imperfection to try and generate some empathy for the 21 year old kid that is already dealing with the accusations and ridicule of people all over the country... I dont think he needs it from his supporters at home too.

Anyway.. if Cushing failed the test due to a masking agent or some such.. but not any true PEDs.. and he is naturally a beast, and he comes back and continues to be a superstar for us, I hope all you judgemental bitches choke on the crow you are gonna have to eat, and die a horrible violent death.
 
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Grid said:
Support him or gtfo in my opinion.

If you are a Texans fan.. 24 hours ago you loved Brian Cushing. And if you are a Texans fan.. i can understand disappointment, sadness, even anger... but shitting on Cushing today is just unforgivable. It is possible to voice your disappointment without bad mouthing, name calling, or making wild accusations.

I need to make a list of all you ****ers that are throwing him under the bus. You people are pathetic. I can only hope that some day you find yourself in a tough situation and everyone who cares about you uses that opportunity to walk all over you.

For those of you here who have never made a mistake.. I hope you have contacted your church because as of right now, im pretty sure no one knew that Jesus was walking the earth again. You shoulda let us know when you got here big J.

For the rest of you.. congrats on being a normal flawed human being. Maybe you should use that shared human imperfection to try and generate some empathy for the 21 year old kid that is already dealing with the accusations and ridicule of people all over the country... I dont think he needs it from his supporters at home too.

Anyway.. if Cushing failed the test due to a masking agent or some such.. but not any true PEDs.. and he is naturally a beast, and he comes back and continues to be a superstar for us, I hope all you judgemental bitches choke on the crow you are gonna have to eat, and die horrible violent deaths.
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Our star player is banned for 4 games for cheating, and you're surprised people are upset?

:mcnugget:

PS: Love these two comments in the same post
 
Grid said:
Support him or gtfo in my opinion.

If you are a Texans fan.. 24 hours ago you loved Brian Cushing. And if you are a Texans fan.. i can understand disappointment, sadness, even anger... but shitting on Cushing today is just unforgivable. It is possible to voice your disappointment without bad mouthing, name calling, or making wild accusations.

I need to make a list of all you ****ers that are throwing him under the bus. You people are pathetic. I can only hope that some day you find yourself in a tough situation and everyone who cares about you uses that opportunity to walk all over you.

For those of you here who have never made a mistake.. I hope you have contacted your church because as of right now, im pretty sure no one knew that Jesus was walking the earth again. You shoulda let us know when you got here big J.

For the rest of you.. congrats on being a normal flawed human being. Maybe you should use that shared human imperfection to try and generate some empathy for the 21 year old kid that is already dealing with the accusations and ridicule of people all over the country... I dont think he needs it from his supporters at home too.

Anyway.. if Cushing failed the test due to a masking agent or some such.. but not any true PEDs.. and he is naturally a beast, and he comes back and continues to be a superstar for us, I hope all you judgemental bitches choke on the crow you are gonna have to eat, and die horrible violent deaths.
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best post ever
 
Will Brian own up to his mistake? That is all I would like to see not have him go run and hide? If not he'll lose all my respect but I think that is a pretty simple thing to do.
 
gtexan02 said:
Our star player is banned for 4 games for cheating, and you're surprised people are upset?

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He was banned for 4 games for failing a drug test. A test that could have been failed for reasons OTHER than steroids.

And if he DID fail it for REAL steroids.. it is unknown how long he has been on them, or how much he was taking. It is not possible to inject yourself with football knowledge or football instincts.

Whatever the case... what I know for sure is that we dont know the whole story yet. We may never know the whole story.. and the only way we, as fans, will be able to judge the extent of what happened is to watch him play when he comes back and see if he is not the same player he was.

This whole "hes a cheater" bullshit needs to stop. Innocent until proven guilty... our legal system is built on the concept. If you want to label people based on suspicions, then you need to move to a dictatorship comrade.


Im not at all surprised that people are upset.. im not even surprised that a bunch of hotheads are already talking about how terrible a person he is and how he sucks and probably worships the devil and eats kittens to bulk up. I stopped being surprised at how superficial and unintelligent Texans message board fans could be years ago. What I am is annoyed. Annoyed that you are doing it again.. and to a good young player. I guess I was a little bit hopeful that the positive direction this team has been taking.. and the greater success we have been having... would have weaned some of you off of this kind of behavior. Seems like yall were just waiting for the right time to pounce though.


PS: Love these two comments in the same post
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The first one was serious. The second one was very obviously a joke. Not that I expect you to be capable of comprehending anything so subtle. You are very obviously a person who takes things at face value, and does not want or care to dig for deeper meanings before drawing conclusions.

Incidentally..in case you were worried, if Cushing does come back and is still a superstar..you will not literally have to eat crow. So no worries.
 
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