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Put the pink soap away for good: Kubiak extended until 2012

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Well, it's not exactly an appointment to the federal judiciary. Why do you care that he got an extension when it won't affect the salary cap? This is good for the team NEXT YEAR. If they regress without cause, Kubes is probably gone anyway, so the extension is not that big of a deal.

Because if McNair has to pay 2 coaches (Kubes and the new guy) he's going to pass those costs on to the season ticket holders.

The timing of the season ticket increase and the unearned Kubes extention stinks.

What is your definition of mediocrity? Kubes record is mediocore. The last time I check the NFL is based on W/L's.

Using your standards when is it it long enough to say the Texans should have made the playoffs.

To know that I'm an ***** who's done well in life makes me feel great about myself. I just want to say thanks you made my day. LOL
 
Super Bowl winning Brian Bilick (SP)

I dont know who will be available after next season. I wasn't against bringing Kubes back next season. I was against the extention. He has done nothing to earn an extention. If you are fine with 8-8,8-8,9-7 mediocrity then he doesn't deserve an extention. I'm not in this group. I exellence, that may be too much to expect from a McNair run organization.

I just don't get the exuberance of the anti-Kubiak crowd. He's done nothing to deserve an extension??????? Really, nothing??????

You don't think the team is heading in the right direction from where they started 4 years ago????? You don't think they are light years ahead of where Casserly left them after his first 4 years in charge???? You don't think the talent level has been increased every year for the past 4 years?????? Every single draft he's had since he's been here has been better than the totality of the entire drafts classes that were taken in the first 4 years of the teams existence.

We have 3 (if you count Pitts) players on this team from the entire 4 years of drafts that Casserly had and you don't think its been a detriment to getting this team over the hump. When he first got hired Kubiak said he was going to build the team thru the draft. Has he done that?????

Has he made some mistakes, sure but the downright hate for this guy is just unbelievable to me. If we were 6-10 this year I can understand it but not with an obvious betterment of the team we've seen. Impatience I can understand but your vehement attitude that he doesn't deserve anything is ludicrous.
 
Don't ask that! They don't like that question!

I love that question.

Cowher. Gruden. Schottenheimer.

All 3 are proven winners and all 3 would be instant upgrades from Kubiak.

Bottom line is that McNair is too cheap to pay for Cowher and probably too cheap to pay for Gruden or Schottenheimer and the high quality assistants that would follow any 3 of those coaches.

Kubiak has proved that he is a .500 coach. That is a fact. But we sure can beat up the bottom feeders like the Rams, Seahawks, and Raiders. Hoo-freaking-ray.
 
The Texans on the other hand didn't address their problems during the offseason. Pollard got cut in the preseason. The Texans elected to wait unti after game 1 to sign him. Pollard wasn't ready to play with the Texans until game 4.

Does anyone remember how Barber lost his job?

What was the last straw??
 
I love that question.

Cowher. Gruden. Schottenheimer.

All 3 are proven winners and all 3 would be instant upgrades from Kubiak.

Bottom line is that McNair is too cheap to pay for Cowher and probably too cheap to pay for Gruden or Schottenheimer and the high quality assistants that would follow any 3 of those coaches.

Kubiak has proved that he is a .500 coach. That is a fact. But we sure can beat up the bottom feeders like the Rams, Seahawks, and Raiders. Hoo-freaking-ray.

Schottenheimer said he is not interested in coaching anymore.
Cowher isn't going to coach until at least 2011.
Gruden is committed to ESPN until 2011.


I'm not a Cowher guy like everyone else on the planet, but I would love to have Schottenheimer. But, like I said, he publicly stated that he is done with his career as a coach.
 
Super Bowl winning [B]Brian Bilick (SP) Jim Harbaugh, Rob Ryan,Zimmer [/B]to name a few .

Man, I stand corrected. I did not realize how little respect you people have for Kubiak to list some of these bums!

Harbaugh is interesting if you are starting over. I think he could be a good coach but I wouldn't want to wait for all the on-the-job training that would be neccessary... not with a team that's ready to win, like ours.
 
Me too

Dont you think McNair is sitting back somewhere laughing his butt off?

I'm not sure but perhaps ticket prices wouldn't have to be raised if the Texans watched some of their operating costs. What I'm talking about is that I recieved another invoice today (yes, back to back days two identical invoice packages). I don't imagine that fancy stationary and fancy promo ads are cheap....
:gun:

......Just sayin'. And this coming from a person that disagrees with you on Kubes AND generally defends the Texans organization and McNair.
 
Schottenheimer said he is not interested in coaching anymore.
Cowher isn't going to coach until at least 2011.
Gruden is committed to ESPN until 2011.


I'm not a Cowher guy like everyone else on the planet, but I would love to have Schottenheimer. But, like I said, he publicly stated that he is done with his career as a coach.

I hadn't heard that from Marty. Cowher would have coached for the Texans if Kubiak would have been fired and McNair would be willing to spend some money on coaching. Gruden could easily be lured out of ESPN. The contract isn't keeping him from coaching. He would come here if the money and situation was right. No doubt.

I respect your opinion though especially if you think Marty would be a good fit, which he would be. That sucks to hear that he isn't interested. He is getting a bit old but at least he would bring his son and if things work out you would have a built in family successory. nepotism ftw.

Cowher would come back and I think he was secrety hoping for the Texans job only to see the Texans do just enough to save Kubiak's job.
 
The Kubiak supporters keep saying the team has improved every year. Well they had a cream puff schedule this year and blew it. They improved by one game over the previous two 8-8 seasons and imho Bush had as much to do with that or maybe even more than anybody.

Next year will be really tough. Not saying it can't be done but it will not be as easy as this year and we still face the same division opponents next year that Kubiak just can't seem to beat. I think that the division record Kubiak has accumulated over 4 years ranks up there as one of his biggest faults the anti Kubiak crowd sees.

I hope Kubiak gets this team to playoffs as much as anyone but what if he doesn't? We wasted a year sticking with him and drafting more players to fit in his scheme that may not fit in someone elses. What will be the mood around here if the Texans go 7-9 or 8-8 and Kubiak gets fired? What if he doesn't get fired for it? It could be real ugly next season or it could be really fantastic. Who knows at this point. Lets just drop the coaching debate and move on to draft talk and building a better team. No matter what Kubiak is here for another year. We can pick up the debate during next season with a lot more knowlege of how things are proving out instead of all of us speculating.

I'll tell you what I am excited about. Frank Bush. I think that adding a few more correct pieces to the puzzle and the Texans will have themselves one heck of a defense. One that can turn games around and win them. One that can create havac in the backfield. One that can stop opposing offenses on 3rd and short. One that confuses qb's.
 
I hadn't heard that from Marty. Cowher would have coached for the Texans if Kubiak would have been fired and McNair would be willing to spend some money on coaching. John Gruden could easily be lured out of ESPN. The contract isn't keeping him from coaching. He would come here if the money and situation was right. No doubt.

I respect your opinion though especially if you think Marty would be a good fit, which he would be. That sucks to hear that he isn't interested. He is getting a bit old but at least he would bring his son and if things work out you would have a built in family successory. nepotism ftw.

Cowher would come back and I think he was secrety hoping for the Texans job only to see the Texans do just enough to save Kubiak's job.

First bolded = example of someone stating an opinion and trying to pass it as an empirical fact.

Second bolded = that tingly feeling that Chris Mathews had down his leg when talking about a then President-elect Obama speech.
 
I'm not sure but perhaps ticket prices wouldn't have to be raised if the Texans watched some of their operating costs. What I'm talking about is that I recieved another invoice today (yes, back to back days two identical invoice packages). I don't imagine that fancy stationary and fancy promo ads are cheap....
:gun:

......Just sayin'. And this coming from a person that disagrees with you on Kubes AND generally defends the Texans organization and McNair.

They will pass on the cost of any scrrew ups on to the season ticket holders. Because they can.


I dont expect people to agree with me but I make them think.

That's fun LOL
 
First bolded = example of someone stating an opinion and trying to pass it as an empirical fact.

Second bolded = that tingly feeling that Chris Mathews had down his leg when talking about a then President-elect Obama speech.

Yep, those saying categorically he'd have come here, and those saying categorically wouldn't are pretty funny - neither knows, both act certain, and both scream bloody murder when the other side tells us what they "know" he would have (or wouldn't have) done.
 
Yep, those saying categorically he'd have come here, and those saying categorically wouldn't are pretty funny - neither knows, both act certain, and both scream bloody murder when the other side tells us what they "know" he would have (or wouldn't have) done.

The only fact I know is that if Cowhler would've come here is this: A lot of saliva would be flying.....

just sayin'
 
I got rep from Thunderkyss, but the rep link took me to a post by Wolf.

Odd.

Free rep! Hee-hee....:peek:
 
First bolded = example of someone stating an opinion and trying to pass it as an empirical fact.

Second bolded = that tingly feeling that Chris Mathews had down his leg when talking about a then President-elect Obama speech.

i got a fact for you. we just rewarded a HC with a .500 record a 3 year extension.

what kind of message does that send to the fans that want a winner?

but he is a 'local legend' so lets just keeping making excuse after excuse. i cant wait to see next years 'excuse du jour'. people are already going to the 'tough schedule card' before the season even begins. pathetic imho.

this is a 'wait till next year' franchise and until we start thinking about today we will never get where we want to go tomorrow. and now they send me an invoice for my tickets, the same freaking week as he is re-signed? screw McNair and his cheapskating ways.
 
i got a fact for you. we just rewarded a HC with a .500 record a 3 year extension.

what kind of message does that send to the fans that want a winner?

but he is a 'local legend' so lets just keeping making excuse after excuse. i cant wait to see next years 'excuse du jour'. people are already going to the 'tough schedule card' before the season even begins. pathetic imho.

this is a 'wait till next year' franchise and until we start thinking about today we will never get where we want to go tomorrow. and now they send me an invoice for my tickets, the same freaking week as he is re-signed? screw McNair and his cheapskating ways.

Dude shut the whining up already. Gary Kubiak is the Coach and he is the coach that will get us deep in the playoffs next year, probably Dallas so shut the little kid whining up and reach down Grab the eggs and man up and tell us what this coach your so not fond of is needing to do to be the coach you want.

The constant Whining is annoying, Try the Whiner Line.
 
i got a fact for you. we just rewarded a HC with a .500 record a 3 year extension.
what kind of message does that send to the fans that want a winner?

but he is a 'local legend' so lets just keeping making excuse after excuse. i cant wait to see next years 'excuse du jour'. people are already going to the 'tough schedule card' before the season even begins. pathetic imho.

this is a 'wait till next year' franchise and until we start thinking about today we will never get where we want to go tomorrow. and now they send me an invoice for my tickets, the same freaking week as he is re-signed? screw McNair and his cheapskating ways.

WOW, are you describing Jeff Fisher?? I know, I know....that's different. :gun: Blow me!! :rolleyes:

He's not a "local legend".. A "local legend" is your bromance with Vincent "sausage boi" Young, so let's make excuses for his piss poor Pro-Bowll QBR of 25..... awesome!! :rolleyes:


GET over yourself... BECAUSE you say it, doesn't remotely make it true....


And if your opinion is true, here is my truth:

Think about it:
Bill Cowher sucks! He's a low level, trailer trash, piece of **** that was handed a a truck load of talent from Knoll, and only managed one ring in 16 years.

The thing that won him that ring was the Rooney's who stuck with people that they believed in.... Isn't retarded that you stroke a guy who was the beneficierary of an ownership that stuck with stability and yet you don't beleive in stability?

WTF? :mcnugget:
 
WOW, are you describing Jeff Fisher?? I know, I know....that's different. :gun: Blow me!! :rolleyes:

He's not a "local legend".. A "local legend" is your bromance with Vincent "sausage boi" Young, so let's make excuses for his piss poor Pro-Bowll QBR of 25..... awesome!! :rolleyes:


GET over yourself... BECAUSE you say it, doesn't remotely make it true....


And if your opinion is true, here is my truth:

Think about it:
Bill Cowher sucks! He's a low level, trailer trash, piece of **** that was handed a a truck load of talent from Knoll, and only managed one ring in 16 years.

The thing that won him that ring was the Rooney's who stuck with people that they believed in.... Isn't retarded that you stroke a guy who was the beneficierary of an ownership that stuck with stability and yet you don't beleive in stability?

WTF? :mcnugget:

TB, we agree on alot but come on. What got Bill continuous support is that in 15 years he only had 3 losing seasons...4 if you include .500. Even after Knoll he successfully continued to reload. In fact Knoll was 7-9 the year before Cowher went 11-5. He may have only won one SB but... To make this easy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cowher

In Cowher’s 15 seasons, the Steelers captured eight division titles, earned ten postseason playoff berths, played in 21 playoff games, advanced to six AFC Championship games and made two Super Bowl appearances. He is one of only six coaches in NFL history to claim at least seven division titles

Seems pretty nice to me. Just giving credit where it is due.
 
I just don't get the exuberance of the anti-Kubiak crowd. He's done nothing to deserve an extension??????? Really, nothing??????

You don't think the team is heading in the right direction from where they started 4 years ago????? You don't think they are light years ahead of where Casserly left them after his first 4 years in charge???? You don't think the talent level has been increased every year for the past 4 years?????? Every single draft he's had since he's been here has been better than the totality of the entire drafts classes that were taken in the first 4 years of the teams existence.

We have 3 (if you count Pitts) players on this team from the entire 4 years of drafts that Casserly had and you don't think its been a detriment to getting this team over the hump. When he first got hired Kubiak said he was going to build the team thru the draft. Has he done that?????

Has he made some mistakes, sure but the downright hate for this guy is just unbelievable to me. If we were 6-10 this year I can understand it but not with an obvious betterment of the team we've seen. Impatience I can understand but your vehement attitude that he doesn't deserve anything is ludicrous.

Vehement: Hardly

Kubes deserved to come back for this year. That's even debateable.

Sure he's added talent. It wouldn't take much to add talent to what was here when he was hired. Casserly was a joke. (That's McNairs hiring) Smithiak have done a credible job in the draft.

Where McNair and you disagree with me is that in 4 yrs with the schedule they had last year they should have made the playoffs. After 4 yrs of Kubes how many more years do you think it will take to make the playoffs. How many more years will be acceptable?

I could care less what Bob McNair does with his team but I dont think that ? his management style is beyond repproach.

Having a NFL team in Houston is good enough for some people. That's OK but I dont condemn people who expected more from this franchise than what has been produced in the 8 yrs and running of the Texan organization.

Just because I disagree with the Sunshine Krowd doesn't mean that I dont respect their opinions. I has made for thoughtful bantering.

I take exception to using the word vehement to describe my thoughts.

Now if you want to to use Joe Texan as an example of vehement you might be more on track.
 
TB, we agree on alot but come on. What got Bill continuous support is that in 15 years he only had 3 losing seasons...4 if you include .500. Even after Knoll he successfully continued to reload. In fact Knoll was 7-9 the year before Cowher went 11-5. He may have only won one SB but... To make this easy

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Cowher



Seems pretty nice to me. Just giving credit where it is due.

Yes, Knoll went 7-9 in his final season.... but The chin was handed a helluva lot better roster than kubes was, no? The Texans existance is half of Cowher's tenure... To argue this point is disingenouis.

Thank you for reinforcing my, Mailman and others point on stability...EXACTLY
 
Yes, Knoll went 7-9 in his final season.... but The chin was handed a helluva lot better roster than kubes was, no? The Texans existance is half of Cowher's tenure... To argue this point is disingenouis.

Thank you for reinforcing my, Mailman and others point on stability...EXACTLY

Just to clarify, I wasn't making a Kubes point...just justifying the Steelers in their decision. He had more talent to start and ran with it.

BTW, Frog you are one of the good guys..........




Even though, you're an all ****ed up cowgurls fan!!!

:P

I try despite my deficiencies :toast2:
 
WOW, are you describing Jeff Fisher?? I know, I know....that's different. :gun: Blow me!! :rolleyes:

He's not a "local legend".. A "local legend" is your bromance with Vincent "sausage boi" Young, so let's make excuses for his piss poor Pro-Bowll QBR of 25..... awesome!! :rolleyes:


GET over yourself... BECAUSE you say it, doesn't remotely make it true....


And if your opinion is true, here is my truth:

Think about it:
Bill Cowher sucks! He's a low level, trailer trash, piece of **** that was handed a a truck load of talent from Knoll, and only managed one ring in 16 years.

The thing that won him that ring was the Rooney's who stuck with people that they believed in.... Isn't retarded that you stroke a guy who was the beneficierary of an ownership that stuck with stability and yet you don't beleive in stability?

WTF? :mcnugget:

Fact: Fisher isn't a .500 coach. Fisher has gone to a Super Bowl. Fisher has gone to the playoffs.

Fact: Your hatred of VY consumes you. Your counterpoint to every argument about anything football-related is 'VY sucks'. Very progressive and intelligent.

Fact: Cowher has been to 2 Super Bowls and kept the Steelers competitive even amidst total garbage at QB. Once he got a decent QB, he won.

Fact: Any time someone gives you an argument against Kubiak, you just deflect the facts and go for hyperbole and utter BS. If you have an argument in favor of Kubiak, present it. Talking about things that have nothing to do with Kubiak or trying to compare proven winning coaches to Kubiak, just shows that you have nothing to say except BS.

Fact: If you spent more time being objective about your own team and less team trying to demean people from other team's, maybe you wouldn't have such a narrow view of your own team.

Once again, how is a .500 record worth of a 3 year extension? That's right. It's not.

So go ahead and make a very fresh joke about VY and sausage or about how the Cowboys suck and hurt your peepee.

cmon Bill, you are better than that. Just because I don't want my team rewarding mediocrity, isn't a reason to try and change the subject because you have nothing to stand on.

Bottom line is that the Texans have embraced a coach who gave them a .500 record.
 
Fact: Fisher isn't a .500 coach. Fisher has gone to a Super Bowl. Fisher has gone to the playoffs.

Fact: Your hatred of VY consumes you. Your counterpoint to every argument about anything football-related is 'VY sucks'. Very progressive and intelligent.

Fact: Cowher has been to 2 Super Bowls and kept the Steelers competitive even amidst total garbage at QB. Once he got a decent QB, he won.

Fact: Any time someone gives you an argument against Kubiak, you just deflect the facts and go for hyperbole and utter BS. If you have an argument in favor of Kubiak, present it. Talking about things that have nothing to do with Kubiak or trying to compare proven winning coaches to Kubiak, just shows that you have nothing to say except BS.

Fact: If you spent more time being objective about your own team and less team trying to demean people from other team's, maybe you wouldn't have such a narrow view of your own team.

Once again, how is a .500 record worth of a 3 year extension? That's right. It's not.

So go ahead and make a very fresh joke about VY and sausage or about how the Cowboys suck and hurt your peepee.

cmon Bill, you are better than that. Just because I don't want my team rewarding mediocrity, isn't a reason to try and change the subject because you have nothing to stand on.

Bottom line is that the Texans have embraced a coach who gave them a .500 record.


The contract extension doesn't have anything to do with whether it was earned or not. That would be a horrible way to do business. Instead, it's about what is best for the Texans. Bob McNair may fully believe that Kubiak underperformed in 2008 and/or 2009. But, perhaps he looked at the team, his options if he lets Kubiak go, the growth and direction of the team, the supporting staff including the GM, and decided that retaining Kubiak with an extension is the thing most likely to lead this team to success the next couple years.


Regarding the Fisher comparison: It is my belief that Gary Kubiak will have taken his team to at least one superbowl, will have a better than .500 record, and have gone to the playoff multiple times if he coaches the Texans for 15 years.

Let's see if you can honestly answer direct questions. Here are a few:

Who was the better coach in 2009 only?:

Fisher or Kubiak
Sparano or Kubiak
Tomlin or Kubiak
M.Smith or Kubiak
Del Rio or Kubiak
Coughlin or Kubiak
Fox or Kubiak

Since everything comes down to W/L records, it would have to be Kubiak in almost every case. I'll acknowledge that Coughlin was better in '07, but while Kubiak hired Bush to fix his defense, Coughlin hired Sheridan to destroy his. Tomlin was cleary better in '08. However, this season his team laid eggs against KC, Oakland, and Cleveland with the division/playoffs on the line. Jeff Fisher took a 13 win team (whom he coached really well in '08) to 7-9, i think.

See, I believe talent, scheduling, luck, veteran leadership all play a big part in the success/failure of a team. However, when these things are mentioned to support Kubiak in the face of his record, you scoff. You argue that Wins and playoffs are the only measuring stick. Then, you hold up guys like Mike Smith and Tony Sparano as examples of superior coaching. Okay. Fine. Perhaps they were in '08. But, what about now? And remember, circumstances like the talent one has to work with can't be a factor, according to you.

By the way, don't forget how long it took Fisher to get his teams to the playoffs. Again, circumstances are irrelevant, remember?

How does Tomlin take a championship team and in one season turn them into a mediocre squad that loses 3 games to the worst franchises in the NFL? Either he is a bad coach now or there are other factors that mitigate the season he had.
 
The contract extension doesn't have anything to do with whether it was earned or not. That would be a horrible way to do business. Instead, it's about what is best for the Texans. Bob McNair may fully believe that Kubiak underperformed in 2008 and/or 2009. But, perhaps he looked at the team, his options if he lets Kubiak go, the growth and direction of the team, the supporting staff including the GM, and decided that retaining Kubiak with an extension is the thing most likely to lead this team to success the next couple years.

Agreed, hopefully these people get to see the other side of Gary that we don't get to see that concerns me. At times he looks lost, his post game comments are always fluff and bs. His playcalling or whoever is calling plays at time is suspect offensively and make me wonder. IMHO, he's too much of a players coach for me instead of an ass kicker.

I'd much rather have Cowher than Kubiak but that doesn't seem to happen, the only other person I seen that was available that I'd like to see here was Holmgren.
 
Who was the better coach in 2009 only?:

Fisher or Kubiak
Sparano or Kubiak
Tomlin or Kubiak
M.Smith or Kubiak
Del Rio or Kubiak
Coughlin or Kubiak
Fox or Kubiak

Since everything comes down to W/L records, it would have to be Kubiak in almost every case.

This is about a 4 year body of work, not just 2009.

With that being the case, each one of those coaches has done better than Kubiak during Kubiak's reign of mediocrity.

Most importantly, all of those coaches have shown they can get to the playoffs and in some cases, that they can get to the Super Bowl. They have proven they can win. Kubiak has not. That is a fact.

How about we expect more than a .500 record.

I will say that Kubiak did a better job coaching in 2009 than Coughlin, Smith, and perhaps Fox, but over the 4 year span all of those guys have done a better job. They have won. They have made playoffs or even won championships. To compare Kubiak to those guys is a disservice to those guys. Kubiak is what he is. A .500 coach who hasn't won dick.

I appreciate your point though and I am not saying Kubiak sucks as a coach, I am just saying he hasn't done enough to merit a new contract.
 
Pat Kirwin, whom I respect, usually does not make overreaching statements. He has insisted that Bill Cowher was not going to coach in 2010. Furthermore, he said he knows this because he has inside information and is friends with him. Of course I don't know with absolute certainty.

Then why in the hell was he assembling a freaking staff to coach somewhere at the end of the season?? Like Frog said, you make these blanket statements all of the time and you don't even seem to be aware of what you're talking about here. No coach goes out there and starts talking to guys about being assistants if he's not interested in coaching. That's common sense, and I don't care what Pat Kirwan said "after" Cowher had realized that the HC jobs that he would have wanted weren't going to open up.

It's also rather naive to argue that a coach who goes to speak with ownership neccessarily has interest in the job. That kind of misdirection is done all the time for a multitude of reasons... perhaps simply as a favor to Ralph Wilson.

This is a baseless assumption if I ever heard one and it's not even a realistic one either. Oh yeah, Bill Cowher was going to hop on a plane and do all of this talking and negotiating with the owner of the Bills as a favor to Ralph Wilson who is known as being one of the cheapest penny pinching owners in the entire league that's rumored to be possibly moving the team at some point. There were several reports about Cowher and the Bills and they changed day to day as well. Cowher talked very heavily actually and most people thought he was crazy to even consider Buffalo. The fact that he did go out there and entertain the idea shows that he had a very strong interest in coaching and again, more common sense there. The Bills job is one of the worst ones in the NFL right now and Cowher's the most sought after coach. Why would he go out to talk to BUffalo of all places if he didn't have a strong interest in coaching again? He clearly did since he had some negotiations and started assembling a staff. People don't just do that for fun or for favors.


By the way, how do you know Bob McNair didn't speak privately with Cowher about coaching the Texans? Perhaps McNair was willing to let Kubiak go if he had the right replacement? Do you have direct knowledge that this wasn't the case?

More assumptions here with nothing to base it off of. There isn't one thing out there that would suggest that this took place or would have taken place. Mcnair never showed any desire what so ever to look or search for a possible replacement at HC. He just freaking gave Kubes an extension for heaven's sake. Why in the world would I think for one second that Mcnair had some secret meetings with Cowher to find out if he would coach the Texans?
 
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Well you couldn'd stand it could you ? Had to have another Hewhoshouldnotbenamed thread for the off season ?

First off I don't personally like John Lopez. He's a bomb thrower. He was a bomb throw at the chronicle. And he'll always be a bomb thrower.
Just judging by the lofty goals of the new monkey at 610, a five rating in the market, I pretty much have a good guess where the Brain Baldinger spot came from. But, saying that you, Lopez and the little Dutchman, didn't know which way Bladinger was going with his thoughts, is not only disingenuous, it's despicable and cowardly. Which is exactly what I expect from Lopez.
Baldy has been banging the Texans continuously for six years. Believing that you were suddenly deceived by old Baldy is pretty thick. 610 has staked out it's ground and wanted it "out there".

Basically what he said was that Robert C. McNair is comfortable with mediocrity. Therefore, the new contract.

I just think it's pretty ridiculous to have a head coach under a contract
two years short of the assistant coaches. Of course I like Kubiak, just like I liked hewhoshouldnotbenamed. So I guess that shoots down my cred.

But by all means, if it keeps you out of the bars and away from the under aged gurls carry on.

:strangle:


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They improved by one game over the previous two 8-8 seasons and imho Bush had as much to do with that or maybe even more than anybody.

Thing is a lot of folks were pissed about Bush being promoted from within - funny many of the same folks complaining about Kubiak being extended. It demonstrated Kubiak and McNair being cheap nepotists with poor judgment and it was going to show how bad Kubiak was as a HC when Bush failed. Well if Kubiak was going to take the blame then he gets some credit as well. Can't have it both ways.
 
Thing is a lot of folks were pissed about Bush being promoted from within - funny many of the same folks complaining about Kubiak being extended. It demonstrated Kubiak and McNair being cheap nepotists with poor judgment and it was going to show how bad Kubiak was as a HC when Bush failed. Well if Kubiak was going to take the blame then he gets some credit as well. Can't have it both ways.

icak, you act like Bush lit the world on fire. The defense was OK and anyone could see he was an improvement over Richard Smith, but to act like Bush was the best candidate available is mularkey. Gregg Williams was out there but I don't even think we interviewed him. He goes to Saints and turns their defense completely around. Oh yeah, and they are in the Super Bowl. But he cost too much money, even too much for the Saints owner...so what happened. Payton paid money out of his own pocket to get the most qualified candidate. we promoted from within on a horrible unit. worked out a little better than expected but still another mediocre season of losing all important games and beating bottom feeders or teams playing out the regular season (i.e. patriots)

You know the Super Bowl. That game that you get to when your team gets to the playoffs and wins enough...never mind. We are happy enough around here being .500.

Build the guy a freaking statue and build one for Bush while you are at it. Hoo-freaking-ray, we beat the Seahawks, Rams, Dolphins, and a depleted and MASH unit-Patriots team with little to nothing to play for. Big freaking deal. We all saw how Bush's defense did against Manning. We all saw how Bush's defense did against the Titans on MNF. Embarassing.

but whatever, build the guy a freaking statue, icak. I swear we have some of the most petty and clueless fans in this city. You aren't one of those fans, icak. trust me, but to act like the Bush hiring is validated based on a 9-7 record and a defense that still has the propencity (sic) to give up the big play is pie-in-the-sky thinking.

I appreciate the job Kubiak has done, but he has run his course imho. Obviously I am not the owner but if I was that guy would be in the unemployment line and we would have Cowher as our head coach....and contrary to the current homering posture, all of you fans would be going crazy with Cowher-mania. Most of the people here like Kubiak because he is local. period.

I could give a crap whether he is from Zimbabwe. The dude wins and he could instill the killer instinct that this team is missing. Cushing helped bring some of that instinct to the team and look how much it helped. Too bad our coach is too busy being a scaredy cat and a carebear to instill some fire and passion.

when we are at the halfway point of the season at 2-6, don't come to me complaining. You made your bed you lie in it. Then we get a 2011 season of no-football. hoo-freaking-ray.
 
Fact: Fisher isn't a .500 coach. Fisher has gone to a Super Bowl. Fisher has gone to the playoffs.

Over his entire career, Fischer's W/L percentage is .553. That's not much better than a .500 coach.

His first 5 years (not full) of being the coach, he went:
1-5
7-9
8-8
8-8
8-8

If he had been our coach with that record, you'd have been screaming for him to be fired.

Out of 15 full seasons, he's had 6 winning seasons. That's 9 seasons where he's been at .500 or less (and that's not counting the 1-5 season). He had a 2 year stretch where he went 5-11 and 4-12.

Out of 15 full seasons, he's been to the SB one time and he lost.

So, for almost 2/3's of his seasons, he's been at best mediocre.

As badly as you rag on Kubiak, you should be ragging on this guy.
 
icak, you act like Bush lit the world on fire. The defense was OK and anyone could see he was an improvement over Richard Smith, but to act like Bush was the best candidate available is mularkey. Gregg Williams was out there but I don't even think we interviewed him.

Learn to read. I typed nothing about the job Bush did. I responded to someone saying the biggest improvement on the team was due to Bush not Kubiak. Well folks like you were going to blame Kubiak for picking Bush so he gets credit for Bush if it works out.

Gregg Williams declined to interview with the Texans.
 
I appreciate the job Kubiak has done, but he has run his course imho. Obviously I am not the owner but if I was that guy would be in the unemployment line and we would have Cowher as our head coach....and contrary to the current homering posture, all of you fans would be going crazy with Cowher-mania. Most of the people here like Kubiak because he is local. period.

First off, all this "local" stuff is bs. I don't care where a coach is from as long as he's good. And I think that Kubiak is good. I think he's built a very strong offense that's still improving and a defense that's starting to work as well.

I like Cowher. I loved him for the Steelers. But I would not want Cowher as my head coach.

Why?

Because I want to win a Super Bowl some day. No coach who has won a Super Bowl with a team has come back and won a Super Bowl with another team. Lots of them have tried but none of them have done it. And I don't think that Cowher would be the first. (And besides, it took him 14 years to win his first one. I don't want to wait 14 years for our first Super Bowl.) That's also why I don't want Gruden.

Guys I'd like to see here are guys like Fox in Carolina, Schottenheimer, guys like that.

But I think that Kubiak has as good a chance of winning a SB with us as anyone we could bring in. I like our team. A lot.
 
SecondHoneymoon is a sad BABY, Crying all day long even though the milk is gone.

Dude STFU. The deal is done and we are now into planning for next year. You cannot do anything from your Couch and I assure you with your attitude you ain't getting anywhere close to an NFL front office. So grab a beer and sit on the couch and turn on American Idol ReRuns if you want to, we on the other hand have some good discussions of football to get to.
 
Gregg Williams was out there but I don't even think we interviewed him. He goes to Saints and turns their defense completely around. Oh yeah, and they are in the Super Bowl. But he cost too much money, even too much for the Saints owner...so what happened. Payton paid money out of his own pocket to get the most qualified candidate. we promoted from within on a horrible unit. worked out a little better than expected but still another mediocre season of losing all important games and beating bottom feeders or teams playing out the regular season (i.e. patriots)

Well let's take a little look at who improved their team more, Bush or Williams.

2008 rank/2009 rank

Williams
Total D 23rd/25th - 2 worse
Passing D 23rd/26th - 3 worse
Rushing D 17th/21st - 4 worse
Scoring D 26th/20th - 6 better

Bush
Total D 22nd/13th - 9 better
Passing D 17th/18th - 1 worse
Rushing D 23rd/10th - 13 better
Scoring D 27th/17th - 10 better

Our D's started very similarly situated last year and the Texans made much bigger strides forward.

And just for giggles the Texans D ranking for the last 13 games:
Total D 3rd
Passing D 15th
Rushing D 2nd
Scoring D 8th
 
Big freaking deal. We all saw how Bush's defense did against Manning. We all saw how Bush's defense did against the Titans on MNF. Embarassing.
Interesting you suggested those 3 games.

Indy Game 1:
*Manning went 318 yds for 1 TD and 1 INT
*Colts Offense held to 20 points (13 in the 1st half, 7 in the 2nd half)
*To put that in perspective, out of 16 reg season and post season games this season, they scored less than 20 only 3 times (excluding week 16 and 17 layups against NYJ and BUF, the "meaningless" games).
*Our Defense had 2 sacks, a fumble and an interception during the 2nd half.
*Colts Offensive posessions in the 2nd half resulted in 2 punts, an interception and a 2yd rushing TD.
*All in all, I'd say that was "respectable" against Peyton Manning.

Indy Game 2:
Manning went 244 yds for 3 TDs and 2 INTs
Colts Offense "held" to 28 points.
Texans up 20-7 in the 1st half, the 2nd half consisted of the following series:
Indy (TD)
HOU (INT)
Indy (Sack, Punt)
HOU (Punt)
Indy (stopped inside Red Zone, missed FG)
HOU (Punt)
Indy (TD)
HOU (INT returned for Indy TD)
HOU (Sack, fumble lost at our 37 yd line)
IND (4 rushes, TD)

You can HARDLY blame the defense for that loss. It was all on our Offense in the 2nd half.


Now onto the Monday Night Game against Tennessee!
Vince Young held to 116 yds with 1 TD and 0 INT
And here was Tennessee's offensive series for the game:
1-Punt
2-Punt
3-TD
4-Punt
5-Rush TD
- half -
6-Fumble
7-50 yd FG
8-Missed 49 yd FG
9-Punt
10-53 yd FG (this was also the series where Busing was called for that BS horsecaller.

Not exactly "embarrassing" performances by our Defense.
 
i got a fact for you. we just rewarded a HC with a .500 record a 3 year extension.
I understand your position. I'm not questioning that.

Do you think Gary Kubiak has done anything good at all since he's been here?
this is a 'wait till next year' franchise and until we start thinking about today we will never get where we want to go tomorrow.

If you were to take over the Detroit Lions, with their current situation, could you get them to the play-offs in 4 years?

I'm going to assume that you answered yes to that question. So if you said yes, why hasn't anyone else been able to do it?
 
I reckon the odds of y'all talkin any sense into SH are less than teaching a newborn trigonometry. :lol:
 
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