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My head hurts trying to watch our line deal with stunts, and delayed blitzes. It seriously looks like they don't ever practice it, and it's a brand new concept when they encounter it in a game.
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What I wouldn't give for the Oilers Oline from exactly 30 years ago -
Bruce Davis - Bruce Matthews - Jay Pennison - Mike Munchak - Dean Steinkuhler
That's a crew that could wreck shop. Warren Moon was lucky compared to the **** show they built for Watson. It's embarrassing and heads should roll.
If the Texans drafted OL in the 1st round 3 years in a row, most of you would scream bloody murder.
Yes they have a good relationship from what we've heard. And yes Gaines resume is good. But he is what Smith was to Kubiak. A yes man
I wouldn't.
I looked at some best OL in the league right now and the Rams have two 2nd round picks and three FA's . The Cowboys have the most draft picks with three 1st , one should've been a first and a second I think . Eagles drafted Johnson and Kelce , Brooks , Wisnieski , and Peters FA . You have an OL when you can kill the clock in 4th quarter and they know you're going to run .
been a bit since we had such high picks in first round and quality tackles available; unless you want to trade Watson for a tackle?Search your memory banks, Porky.
Mike Munchak was taken with the 8th pick in 1st round in 1982.
Bruce Matthews was taken with the 9th pick in the 1st round in 1983. (a year later)
Dean Steinkuhler was taken with the 2nd pick in the 1st round in 1984 (a year later)
That’s called priority.
If the Texans drafted OL in the 1st round 3 years in a row, most of you would scream bloody murder.
Me either, the OL is the foundation of any successful team. That and a QB. Everything else is window dressing. IMHO
Do you have any proof? Also funny how Kubiak's "yes man" got Kubiak fired, while he kept his job for another 4 years.
While I agree with you let's also agree that we now have a QB that we traded up to get pleasing most folks here. While I was surprised Cunningham was there at 2.25 I preferred OT Dion Dawkins who so far isn't looking that good for Bills this season. Round 3 we drafted most productive RB in college; hard to argue with that. We then got my guy in round 4 Davenport. I offered a factual defense for him at another thread. You have to agree the loss of first and second rounds 2018 limited teams choices but round three did get Rankin who many thought very good at either OT. Good news in 2019 draft depends on where our record ends up; LT Jonah Williams should be on our screen but he has recently climbed to arguably be number one tackle off board. Trey Adams Washington and ranked #1 OT prior 2018 season missed last half of 2017 with knee and was scheduled Sept 2018 have back surgery & expected to return school 2019. RT Edwards Wisconsin had his butt handed to him against BYU. My point is there has to be a quality player available to be a priority pick. Also unfortunately FA doesn't look any better.
So do the Texans now have to wait 2-3 drafts of "priority" drafting to get see if we get a decent line? Which mean not only drafting , but avoiding XSF and Ereck Flowers.
And if only takes all high draft picks then what does happen to the rest of your roster. I mean the Cowboys have a great OL (supposedly) and they are literally just a blah mid level as the Texans.
I am not as high on Little as others; his issue for some is consistency. For now it appears he will be drafted way before we can get him even if we could swing a trade. Hyatt I need to watch some more7778
There are other guys like Little and Hyatt. I would trade up in rd. 1 to get Little or Williams and pick a guy like Hyatt/Edwards and my sleeper guys Alaric Jackson/Kaleb McGary.
I am not as high on Little as others; his issue for some is consistency. For now it appears he will be drafted way before we can get him even if we could swing a trade. Hyatt I need to watch some more
My head hurts trying to watch our line deal with stunts, and delayed blitzes. It seriously looks like they don't ever practice it, and it's a brand new concept when they encounter it in a game.
It might not be as bad as some think. Rankin with some time should at minimum be a starting RT. If I'm wrong about Davenport we still can go after Jonah Williams even if we have to trade up. Regardless, by 2019 D will have a full season behind him and could equal any drafted LT so he should at worse be a backup. So if you are bold enough go get the best LT prospect in draft as you can use the two seconds and even our third to trade up. We can of course buy one if there is one in this off season and willing to offer stupid money. I am not opposed to that if the player is a solid starter. Of course we apparently will need at least one corner and maybe a safety if KJ leaves or moves back to CB. Luckily 2019 is deep at corner so we can use our 4th and 5th to take those. In fact, I am mocking a safety in 4th. Maybe this:
Trade our 1st (say #18 ) + our second round two point wise should get us to # 10. Probably have to throw in another later pick just for appetiser.
1.10 Best LT and remember he has to be able to play there and not be shuffled inside which reduces many guys.
2.18 and I think trading partner insists on our first (Seattle) best corner
3.18 another OL or RB
4 best safety?
Your stance on Davenport is laughable.
In your scenario give me,
Rd.1 Williams/Davenport
Rd.2 Hyatt/Jackson I would even use amy 2nd/3rd to move up to pick Hyatt.
Rd.4 Best RB
BPA after that, I would love to see them draft Turpin as a KR/PR/Slot. That guy is a playmaker.
You're setting yourself up again for a big ash disappointment. The Texans will not be drafting those players.
See, I think it depends on your qb. With a qb like Watson, I would rather build a drew brees ol. What does that mean? 2 guards and the center. If they keep the pressure out his face, it's cool. That's not to say don't draft or develop the tackles, but that inside cup is more important in my opinion.Nope, they need to identify a LT and a RT.
If it was me I would use my 1st and two 2nds to get either Williams or Little. Then in the 3rd draft Alaric Jackson or Kaleb McGary to play RT.
OL
Williams/Rankin/Martin/Fulton/Jackson and bring back Kelemete/Henderson/Mancz for depth purposes. This can be done.
Get a CB in FA and all of the sudden this team will look much better.
says something we’re talking draft on a 3 game winning streak, lol
Me either, the OL is the foundation of any successful team. That and a QB. Everything else is window dressing. IMHO
See, I think it depends on your qb. With a qb like Watson, I would rather build a drew brees ol. What does that mean? 2 guards and the center. If they keep the pressure out his face, it's cool. That's not to say don't draft or develop the tackles, but that inside cup is more important in my opinion.
See, I think it depends on your qb. With a qb like Watson, I would rather build a drew brees ol. What does that mean? 2 guards and the center. If they keep the pressure out his face, it's cool. That's not to say don't draft or develop the tackles, but that inside cup is more important in my opinion.
While many on here have given up on Davenport I haven't. I still think he can make a good LT but I will admit it's going to take more time than I thought it would, and that's time the Texans (Watson) don't have. He obviously didn't have his best game against the Bills and was burned pretty badly a few times, but then again, I think there was plenty of blame to go around. I do wish Henderson could have stayed healthy because Lamm is just awful. As far as Rankin being a LT or RT I don't think would be a good fit. He may get by as a RT in a pinch but I think his true position is OG, which leads me to the Draft.....
They have to draft at least 2, and preferably more, O-linemen in this Draft and they need to do it in the first 2 rounds. This has been a sore spot with me for the past 3 or 4 seasons and the Texans "Achilles heel" almost since BOB has been here. They just haven't drafted enough O-linemen and the few they have drafted have not really performed that well (XSF, Davenport, and Martin all come to mind though I believe Davenport and Martin can be salvaged). The Texans need to draft the best OT (whether it's Left or Right doesn't matter) with their 1st pick in next years Draft. Then they need to draft another OT with their 2nd pick. Let both OT's, Henderson, and Davenport battle it out in camp next season and let the best 2 play with the 3rd being the Swing Tackle. If Henderson or Davenport win one of the battles play the best Rookie with them and use the other as the ST. If both Rookies win out, play them, and keep Henderson or Davenport as the ST. Hopefully by the end of this season things will become clearer in regards to Rankin and where he should play, and if Davenport will be worth keeping. Lamm, on the other hand, should be gone next season.
See, I think it depends on your qb. With a qb like Watson, I would rather build a drew brees ol. What does that mean? 2 guards and the center. If they keep the pressure out his face, it's cool. That's not to say don't draft or develop the tackles, but that inside cup is more important in my opinion.
Search your memory banks, Porky.
Mike Munchak was taken with the 8th pick in 1st round in 1982.
Bruce Matthews was taken with the 9th pick in the 1st round in 1983. (a year later)
Dean Steinkuhler was taken with the 2nd pick in the 1st round in 1984 (a year later)
That’s called priority.
If the Texans drafted OL in the 1st round 3 years in a row, most of you would scream bloody murder.
It might not be as bad as some think. Rankin with some time should at minimum be a starting RT. If I'm wrong about Davenport we still can go after Jonah Williams even if we have to trade up. Regardless, by 2019 D will have a full season behind him and could equal any drafted LT so he should at worse be a backup. So if you are bold enough go get the best LT prospect in draft as you can use the two seconds and even our third to trade up. We can of course buy one if there is one in this off season and willing to offer stupid money. I am not opposed to that if the player is a solid starter. Of course we apparently will need at least one corner and maybe a safety if KJ leaves or moves back to CB. Luckily 2019 is deep at corner so we can use our 4th and 5th to take those. In fact, I am mocking a safety in 4th. Maybe this:
Trade our 1st (say #18 ) + our second round two point wise should get us to # 10. Probably have to throw in another later pick just for appetiser.
1.10 Best LT and remember he has to be able to play there and not be shuffled inside which reduces many guys.
2.18 and I think trading partner insists on our first (Seattle) best corner
3.18 another OL or RB
4 best safety?
Search your memory banks, Porky.
Mike Munchak was taken with the 8th pick in 1st round in 1982.
Bruce Matthews was taken with the 9th pick in the 1st round in 1983. (a year later)
Dean Steinkuhler was taken with the 2nd pick in the 1st round in 1984 (a year later)
That’s called priority.
If the Texans drafted OL in the 1st round 3 years in a row, most of you would scream bloody murder.
Agreed. Screw the rest of the roster.
We got our quarterback. Finally. Finally. The offensive line should be the priority. If not, then trade Watson away. There’s no point of even having him.
I've been saying since Watson was drafted that the Texans organization put the cart before the horses. Then to compound the screw-up, they just de-prioritize protecting their shiny new "Franchise QB".
They've had 5 years to saddle the horses, instead we've sold off a team of Clydesdales in favor of large (getting smaller each year) donkeys. If a cart full of gold shows up you have to take it. But don't blame the donkeys for being donkeys.
(did I take that analogy too far? lol)
They've had 5 years to saddle the horses, instead we've sold off a team of Clydesdales in favor of large (getting smaller each year) donkeys. If a cart full of gold shows up you have to take it. But don't blame the donkeys for being donkeys.
(did I take that analogy too far? lol)
Hey .. hold your horses just a second (couldn't resist lol)
It's not a necessity to go first round OL, what you can't do is consistently whiff on 2-4th round linemen like the Texans do. Add to that abysmal FA acquisitions and you have the perfect storm.
SteelB said it .. history is repeating itself right before our eyes.
This at least gives me some hope. How about going all out and trading back into the first round for another guy. 2 first round OL with a decent free agent would revamp in a hurry.
While we definitely need an infusion of talent on the OL, I think we need a new coach as well. I was listening to 610 last week andWade Smith mentioned he noticed major issues with how the coaches were asking the lineman to block. He mentioned Nick Martin specifically. He said they were asking Martin to do things that would be difficult for a hall of fame level player. Also, we can all be upset at Smith for signing a guy like Lamm, but someone has convinced management to keep him around all these years
Outside of the line, Griffin and Miller are a joke in pass pro. I’ve seen both players give extremely poor effort blocking. What good is to max protect if the extra blockers suck. I think it would be better to have more receivers in the field to give Watson more options to get rid of the ball quicker.
Finally, I’ve noticed when Watson does break the pocket and roll out there are times when there are no receivers on his side of the field. These guys have to be coached to work back towards the qb. It would set up some potential big plays
The coaching we have has no idea how to utilize the talent we have .
Instead of making Miller and Griffin easy escape targets to work in space and give Watson throwing options, they're used to be max protect because O'Brain thinks every route needs to be a streak or 15yd comeback.
yeah, I was really surprised last week when they finally hit Hopkins on a quick slant and then he went monster.... otherwise we'd be 2-3-1 at best
While we definitely need an infusion of talent on the OL, I think we need a new coach as well. I was listening to 610 last week and Wade Smith mentioned he noticed major issues with how the coaches were asking the lineman to block. He mentioned Nick Martin specifically. He said they were asking Martin to do things that would be difficult for a hall of fame level player. Also, we can all be upset at Smith for signing a guy like Lamm, but someone has convinced management to keep him around all these years
Outside of the line, Griffin and Miller are a joke in pass pro. I’ve seen both players give extremely poor effort blocking. What good is to max protect if the extra blockers suck. I think it would be better to have more receivers in the field to give Watson more options to get rid of the ball quicker.
Finally, I’ve noticed when Watson does break the pocket and roll out there are times when there are no receivers on his side of the field. These guys have to be coached to work back towards the qb. It would set up some potential big plays
A basic slant should be no less than 15% of Hopkins' game. He's too dangerous to be allowed a free release outside and is a way to move the defense. O'Brain is too focused on what we can't do because he sucks, that he can't see what we CAN do ... because he sucks. I only saw the last few plays of the Steelers/Bengals game and after appreciation ... all I felt was sad. When you know the defense is going to blitz and you design a motion rub that takes .5 seconds to execute. At the 2 yard line an individual look turns into an easy screen. Successful game winning plays that you and me could have been the offensive linemen.
I agree with your sentiments, but if the Texans ran the same play the Steelers won that game on we get flagged for the receiver blocking early
A basic slant should be no less than 15% of Hopkins' game. He's too dangerous to be allowed a free release outside and is a way to move the defense. O'Brain is too focused on what we can't do because he sucks, that he can't see what we CAN do ... because he sucks. I only saw the last few plays of the Steelers/Bengals game and after appreciation ... all I felt was sad. When you know the defense is going to blitz and you design a motion rub that takes .5 seconds to execute. At the 2 yard line an individual look turns into an easy screen. Successful game winning plays that you and me could have been the offensive linemen.
I agree with your sentiments, but if the Texans ran the same play the Steelers won that game on we get flagged for the receiver blocking early
Its crazy to me on how this team just doesn't understand the basics. I've mentioned several times its coaching. What is Bill O'Brien trying to accomplish here? Linemen are very smart but the coaching scheme is making them look dumbfound out there. If HOF linemen couldn't do it why is Obrien trying to make these guys do it.
The coaching we have has no idea how to utilize the talent we have .