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State of the O-line
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Shishkabob
All Pro
Don't worry the one time we use a creative play successfully we will make sure we run the same play the next 3 weeks in the same spot, because consistency(referring to the Coutee end around)
Just watching the tape, our offense as a whole is a very poorly coached unit, and our oline appears to be probably the worst coached unit in the entire NFL. I understand there is a lack of talent on our line that needs to get addressed, but just the mental gaffs that are being made, and the types of blocks that are being asked to be executed just screams horrible coaching to me. The Saints were very upset they were losing Kelemente, he was a guy that might not have been a starter for them but he was plug and play anywhere a long the line for them and he performed fairly well at most positions he was put in. That shows he is an intelligent player, same with Fulton a long thee interior for the Chiefs. Nick Martin might never get the power back he use to have due to his ankle injuries, but he is still a highly intelligent player. Yet these 3 guys still have a hard time switching off blocks, to pick up a stunt or a blitz. This screams coaching to me
Issues at work have kept me away but thanks for the welcome back.
This is Lamm's 4th year in the League so he probably doesn't have any time left on the PS. But, to be honest, I'm not sure he spent that much time, if any, on the PS so he may have time left. Lamm, like Davenport and Martin, is inconsistent and I just don't know how much of that is coaching (or lack of coaching) and how much is just a lack of talent and not having the physical tools to be better. If I had to guess, it's probably a combination of both!
Shishkabob
All Pro
take it for what it's worth, someone said they rewatched the Texans game and timed from snap until first sign of pressure this last game. He said most every pass play time to pressure was between 1.5-2 seconds.
Texansballer74
The Marine
Shishkabob
All Pro
They were around 50% the first 3 weeks, dropped to 36% against the colts and then a season low(career low for Watson) 20% against the Cowboys. Only to have a season worse 55% the following week, gross
Honoring Earl 34
Something Witty !
Shishkabob
All Pro
Is this our new LT, it would slow edge rushers down more than Davenport did last game
badboy
Hall of Fame
I am hoping to see several OL move up during last half of college season. One of my concerns are some look good compared to others but not so good when evaluated on their in game play.
badboy
Hall of Fame
And their NFL experience right?
badboy
Hall of Fame
Jordan Thomas was drafted as he has reasonable catching abilities and could be a blocker but he is not being used. 2017 Davenport was used as a super tackle to offer more blocking but I haven't noticed a super tackle on either side this season. If protecting Watson and give him 3 seconds to pass is an issue and it is why not utilise these options?
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
Thomas, like all of the TEs have shown poor pass blocking. Martinas and Sharpe are all that's left. Sharp has always been considered a huge OT that moves laterally as well as a stump.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
Thank you Devlin? Don't let the door slam you in the ass on the way out
Shishkabob
All Pro
Davenport ranks first in the NFL in pressures with 32, second is Rankin at 27
zshawn10
All Pro
Houston tackle Julie’n Davenport has allowed the most pressures in the NFL this season (32)
Houston tackle Martinas Rankin has allowed the second-most pressures in the NFL this season (27)
— Mike Renner (@PFF_Mike) October 17, 2018
Total Quarterback Hits allowed through Week 6:
NO: 17
CAR, DET: 18
CHI: 19
LAR: 20
NYJ: 21
CIN: 23
PIT: 24
LAC: 25
MIA, TEN, WAS: 28
BAL, NE: 29
TB: 34
OAK: 35
JAX, SEA: 36
ARI, KC: 37
DAL, GB: 38
BUF: 39
IND, NYG: 40
DEN, SF: 42
MIN: 43
PHI: 48
ATL, CLE: 49
HOU: 70
— Johnny Kinsley (@Brickwallblitz) October 17, 2018
Houston tackle Martinas Rankin has allowed the second-most pressures in the NFL this season (27)
— Mike Renner (@PFF_Mike) October 17, 2018
Total Quarterback Hits allowed through Week 6:
NO: 17
CAR, DET: 18
CHI: 19
LAR: 20
NYJ: 21
CIN: 23
PIT: 24
LAC: 25
MIA, TEN, WAS: 28
BAL, NE: 29
TB: 34
OAK: 35
JAX, SEA: 36
ARI, KC: 37
DAL, GB: 38
BUF: 39
IND, NYG: 40
DEN, SF: 42
MIN: 43
PHI: 48
ATL, CLE: 49
HOU: 70
— Johnny Kinsley (@Brickwallblitz) October 17, 2018
Thorn
Dirty Old Man
Somewhere D Carr is laughing his ass off right now.
This is absurd.
The Texans have allowed 40% more hits than the second worst OL.
I remember when Seattle was at the bottom, then they got Duane Brown. New England let Solder go but got a quality LT (Trent Brown) instead of starting guys who clearly aren't ready.
Shishkabob
All Pro
hmm interesting Wade Smith kind of disputed Balddy here
I understand the sentiment, but disagree with the assessment. BaldyNFL @PayneNFL
Martin declared the point as the LB lined up in the -A gap. Griffin should block the LB in the +B gap.
If you watch DHop he’s heading in to block the Safety that’s lined up in the box but…. https://t.co/qksvvwXobD
— Wade Smith (@Smitty74allday) October 17, 2018
…
(Continued)…. DHop sees #84 take him so adjusts out to find work. This one isn’t on the line. Plenty was on them, but this one wasn’t. BaldyNFL PayneNFLhttps://t.co/qksvvwXobD
— Wade Smith (@Smitty74allday) October 17, 2018
…
Fulton went to the linebacker that was declared (backside). The LB that ran through unblocked was the Fullbacks guy.
The Texans had the Bills outleveraged on the play going 2 the right. That’s exactly what you want. This was just a simple mental error at the point of attack https://t.co/a0RhEocSs9
— Wade Smith (@Smitty74allday) October 17, 2018
Texansballer74
The Marine
Lol and rightfully so. They are unproven rookies. So go at them until they get it together
OptimisticTexan
2024 / Rebuilding Block 4 After Playoffs / Texans
Better yet, when was the last time the Texans had a TE that was a good blocker and receiver? I think Owen Daniels was the last one. O'Brien has to let the Jordan's get all the OJT they can handle. I like both of them better than Griffin. Is the TE Coach having any luck in coaching these guys up? Griffin is the same player he was when he arrived as a rookie, that can't be saying he's getting coached up!
Mangler
Toro de España
Damn! While I wasn’t counting, it sure seemed more like 0.5-1.0 sec...
Texansballer74
The Marine
Talk about painful
O'Brien drafted two TEs who didn't block in college.
CloakNNNdagger
Hall of Fame
But it can say that he's reached his ceiling.
Uncle Rico
Ur apology should be as loud as Ur disrespect was
there really cant be any 'simple' mental errors on a line that is so bereft of talent, up to and including the TE's and RB's which have been horrendous in pass pro also. SOMEBODY needs to make the call and make sure everyone understands it. Lack of communication is unacceptable at this level hell I see high school offensive units barking out more calls and assignments than i see the Texans make. When I see a lineman just let a guy go buy him without even a chip it irks me, I mean i get it 'thats not my guy' but man put a shoulder into him on your way by or something.
ATXtexanfan
Hall of Fame
Makes you wonder if these guys even know how to watch film.
Guess they watch highlights on espn
dream_team
Hall of Fame
So it's either Fulton AND Kelemte's fault, or just Griffin's fault? I don't know which, but if I had to guess... it's the guy playing fullback that really isn't a fullback.
Shishkabob
All Pro
Looking at the play Smith's version seems correct to me. I don't know the play call so Baldy could be right, but just from what I know of general blocking schemes regarding the run game, and how Hopkins looked thoroughly confused for a second when Griffin blocked the guy he was going for I think it's on Griffin this time
Shishkabob
All Pro
This is happening all over our offense, not just the line. I'll try to find it but PatdStat posted a video of Watson "locking" on to Hopkins which causes him to take a sack. But if you watch how the routes are developing to me it looked like they were trying to get a rub off of Hopkin's route which would've freed up Thomas in the flats. Hopkins avoids the linebacker so he gets a free run towards Thomas taking that route away. If Hopkins successfully picks the backer Thomas is still running because he is alone on the left side of the field. Watson needed to come of the read sooner, but Davenport gets beat at about the 2 second mark and blows the play up
https://twitter.com/PatDStat/status/1052300957323800576
dream_team
Hall of Fame
I didn't like that tweet from PatDStat, as it's misleading. Like you mentioned, I believe the primary receivers in this play are Hopkins & Thomas. I wouldn't say "Hopkins avoided the linebacker", as you know setting picks are illegal. But rather, I wonder if Thomas broke off into the flat too early, or maybe he was supposed to run a wheel? The play could very well be that Watson is "locking" onto Hopkins so the safety stays with Nuk, so when Thomas runs the wheel, he'd be wide open.
Coutee was probably his 3rd or 4th option in the progression, but you can't get to your 3rd progression under 2 seconds. Can you?
Shishkabob
All Pro
and my bad that wasn't a Lber Hopkins was suppose to pick, it was a safety walking down. Maybe avoided wasn't the right word, but Hopkins can do a better job adjusting his route to create more of a pick. Refs let teams get away with it all the time as long as you don't make it deliberate that you are blocking him. If Watson comes off it right away, he has a chance to find Coutee or the RB that leaked out that he eventually threw to. I think he was waiting to see if Lber continued flowing left, if he did he has Hopkins open. Watson could have been better on that play, I just don't like the assessment that he "locked" on to Hopkins, his first 2 reads have to do with Hopkins so yes he is looking at him
FuzzyLogic
Mathematically Possible
So Griffin can't play fullback or block either? Wow I thought his only skill sets were an inability to get open and dropping passes. That's a four tool TE right there, as OB says versatility! I can totally understand with that kind of production neither of the TE's you DRAFTED can get on the field.
badboy
Hall of Fame
Thomas has not been out there much that I've seen. Other Yes were not drafted for in line blocking but rather receiving skills. I suggest QB yell "timber!" And Sharp falls to side...
I agree with this assessment. I saw the same thing. If PatDStat is expecting Watson to consistently get to his 3rd or 4th option with this OL, Watson will leave NRG in a body bag.
and he's not using them in the passing game either..
texanhead08
All Pro
Have we started the same 5 multiple games this year ? It seems like because of injury/poor play that we are starting a different 5 each week.
So the play design was good?
Buffalo has a pretty good D. Better than Dallas
Mr teX
Hall of Fame
Play design was fine, The safety that walked down was aggressive coming down to cover Thomas b/c Watson was in fact locked in on that side of the field...His head says it all.
If Watson holds his head straight, that safety has to hesitate at least for a split second and that’s all that would’ve been needed to be able to drive the ball out to Thomas on that out who would’ve been open.
Notice how I'm not getting a reply from a select few.
Shishkabob
All Pro
damn I wasn't on last night, calm down steel we have plenty of chance to argue today lol. But yes that play call was designed well. O'Brien makes gaffs in his play calling sometimes yes, he calls good plays as well sometimes. The thing that bothers me the most is the continuous lack of execution on the offense which points back to how players are being coached.