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So he is not responsible for what's on the field as far as coaches are concerned? If he hired them, he is responsible for their actions and their coaching woes as well as their victories, if they were just killing everyone people would say what a great GM he was for getting this guy. same premise, this guys coaching style isn't so good, lay the blame from the top on down. You looked this car over and kicked the tires before you bought it, so now you own it. As far as the coaches go, you could say they aren't out there executing the plays that are called, they just call them. They don't run them. Just saying.
What makes you think he didn't? see I can do that too, lol, Who knows what goes on in the front office? I don't, you don't. I have figured out since 2002 that planning winning football does not happen. Way too many draft mistakes, yes they have talent but not NFL proven and that goes for all drafted players. passing on a QB for a OL in the 2cd round sketchy at best. Didn't want to draft Carr because of his name sake? Read that in the paper not made up. I wouldn't care if his name had 11 consonants and 1 vowel, if he had talent and could help the team pull the trigger. This team has more than just a QB problem. The GM has to go period. OB will get one more year unless its like Kubes then he will be here for 5 more years. I agree with most people Change sucks, but then again so does losing. Will changing GM help overnight? No Changing GM is like planting a tree for shade, its going to take a little while to see a difference in what he does compared to the old GM. With only 2 playoff runs in the 9 years since Smith has been at the helm I'd say its time for a change. That 7 years of nothing and like it, 8 years after this one goes down the toilet. So if he hired him or not is really not important, he is the GM the man in charge, responsible for the whole product coaching staff and the team and everything involved.What gives you the idea that Smith hired OB and co.?
Rick Smith had absolutely nothing to do with the Texans getting completely out coached by Bill Belichick and the entire New England coaching staff.
So he is not responsible for what's on the field as far as coaches are concerned? If he hired them, he is responsible for their actions and their coaching woes as well as their victories, if they were just killing everyone people would say what a great GM he was for getting this guy. same premise, this guys coaching style isn't so good, lay the blame from the top on down. You looked this car over and kicked the tires before you bought it, so now you own it. As far as the coaches go, you could say they aren't out there executing the plays that are called, they just call them. They don't run them. Just saying.
So he is not responsible for what's on the field as far as coaches are concerned? If he hired them, he is responsible for their actions and their coaching woes as well as their victories, if they were just killing everyone people would say what a great GM he was for getting this guy. same premise, this guys coaching style isn't so good, lay the blame from the top on down. You looked this car over and kicked the tires before you bought it, so now you own it. As far as the coaches go, you could say they aren't out there executing the plays that are called, they just call them. They don't run them. Just saying.
So he is not responsible for what's on the field as far as coaches are concerned? If he hired them, he is responsible for their actions and their coaching woes as well as their victories, if they were just killing everyone people would say what a great GM he was for getting this guy. same premise, this guys coaching style isn't so good, lay the blame from the top on down. You looked this car over and kicked the tires before you bought it, so now you own it. As far as the coaches go, you could say they aren't out there executing the plays that are called, they just call them. They don't run them. Just saying.
And i was in the opinion, anyone but clowney. I was cool with bortles at 1 or tb and carr at the bottom. Alot of guys were always talking trenches. Well a qb can make up for alot, but the qb guru penned not alot of difference between savage and the other guys. Wrong!You can blame Smith for blowing just about every mid-round pick he's ever had, you can blame him for the Glover Quin debacle, and you can blame him for the lack of depth on this team across the board.
What you cannot blame him for is putting together gameplans. That falls on the coaching staff and the crap they trotted out on offense last night falls on one man and that man is not Rick Smith.
The bigger issue was Kubiak thinking Schaub was better than a 35 year old Peyton Manning when he was available. Now a damn near 40 year old Peyton gets him to the Superb Owl. McNair should have forced Kubiak's hand like Elway has.Good thing Smith got rid of Kubiak and Wade. That solved all our problems. McNair is it clear now??????? I still say not trading down when we had 1.1 will set this franchise back 3-4 years. We will never know though. Smith reminds me of a politician, no accountability. Problem is McNair not doing something about it. Smith is Smith.
The bigger issue was Kubiak thinking Schaub was better than a 35 year old Peyton Manning when he was available. Now a damn near 40 year old Peyton gets him to the Superb Owl. McNair should have forced Kubiak's hand like Elway has.
Good thing Smith got rid of Kubiak and Wade. That solved all our problems. McNair is it clear now??????? I still say not trading down when we had 1.1 will set this franchise back 3-4 years. We will never know though. Smith reminds me of a politician, no accountability. Problem is McNair not doing something about it. Smith is Smith.
Bills offered a 1st next year to swap spots I believe.
The bigger issue was Kubiak thinking Schaub was better than a 35 year old Peyton Manning when he was available. Now a damn near 40 year old Peyton gets him to the Superb Owl. McNair should have forced Kubiak's hand like Elway has.
And played a part in the decay and aging of our offense before they left (along with RS of course). Set us back years.Blame Rick all you want, Gary and Wade inherited that team. Just a added a few small pieces
Agreed. Wade had our D lights out also for the first year or two. Not quite as disruptive as denver was today but still.......I agree with that, but the Broncos defense is what drives that team.
More specifically their pass rush/Dline & OLB's and corners.
Of course, I think having Peyton instead of schaub makes a world of difference as well.
Blame Rick all you want, Gary and Wade inherited that team. Just a added a few small pieces
Bingo! All Rick Smith has done is waste several second, third and fourth-round picks. I was looking at all of the failed picks in those higher rounds and it was mind-boggling. I felt so bad I nearly cried.Isn't that the point though? Kubiak and Phillips are capable of major success when given the talent to succeed. Which is why their success now is an indictment on Smith, he was never able to build that team for them. Kubiak and Wade shouldn't be the ones responsible for building the team, that's Rick's job (in theory anyway, this may shine a bigger spotlight on how the Texans run their organization as a whole moreso than the job Rick is doing).
So All those picks were 100% Ricks??? Gary never had a say in players drafted, or even FA signings?Bingo! All Rick Smith has done is waste several second, third and fourth-round picks. I was looking at all of the failed picks in those higher rounds and it was mind-boggling. I felt so bad I nearly cried.
So All those picks were 100% Ricks??? Gary never had a say in players drafted, or even FA signings?
Of course he consulted with the head coach. All good general managers do. But at the end of the day his job is to acquire as much talent as he can and it's the coach's job to coach. I'm tired of people blaming Kubiak. He's been a hell of a head coach.So All those picks were 100% Ricks??? Gary never had a say in players drafted, or even FA signings?
Just look at the job John Elway is doing in Denver. Initially, Gary Kubiak was even against playing Peyton Manning. There were rumors that the Broncos were shopping him in a trade not long after Kubiak was named their head coach. But Kubiak found a way to make it work. John Elway is making the ultimate roster decisions.Well Gary is in the SB. If Rick isn't the top issue, he's near the top of the list.
Just look at the job John Elway is doing in Denver. Initially, Gary Kubiak was even against playing Peyton Manning. There were rumors that the Broncos were shopping him in a trade not long after Kubiak was named their head coach. But Kubiak found a way to make it work. John Elway is making the ultimate roster decisions.
I really feel like a great general manager does his job and worries solely on acquiring the best possible talent first and foremost. Even if it clashes with their head coach's preference because that general manager can always fire the head coach if the owner is on his side.
Before you praise Elway... you need to look at the Broncos drafts the past several years. Not a pretty picture. Now I'm not saying Elway is a bad GM. Just that if you're going to say Rick is a bad GM because of his misses in the draft, then Elway must be bad as well?
Well, great quarterback play can almost make up for a lot of mistakes by a general manager. That's for sure. With Rick Smith we had a ton of talent but just not enough depth like I mentioned earlier.Before you praise Elway... you need to look at the Broncos drafts the past several years. Not a pretty picture. Now I'm not saying Elway is a bad GM. Just that if you're going to say Rick is a bad GM because of his misses in the draft, then Elway must be bad as well?
Well, great quarterback play can almost make up for a lot of mistakes by a general manager. That's for sure. With Rick Smith we had a ton of talent but just not enough depth like I mentioned earlier.
That 12-4 season we had in 2012, if Schaub hadn't struggled down the stretch of the season (1-3) and wasn't that great in the playoffs (1-1, blown out by Patriots in the divisional round on the road), we'd have probably made it to the Super Bowl. We just missed home field advantage throughout the playoffs and the 1st seed in the AFC.
That 1-3 finish hurt us. Home field could have been big for us with all the talent we had that year. Most disappointing that year was a late-season game against the Vikings in Houston. We lost 23-6 and Schaub was pretty bad that game: 18-for-32 passing. no TDs and only 178 passing yards.
That 12-4 season in 2012 was our best chance to reach a Super Bowl. A couple of those games we lost during that 1-3 finish (which cost us the 1st seed in the AFC Playoffs), we were favored to win by 7.5 points or more on the Vegas line but still lost them.
Good and consistent quarterback play. That's all we really needed. I just don't know why Matt Schaub started to play so poorly at the end of that magical 2012 season. Which then carried over into the playoffs and the 2013 season (when he hit rock bottom during that 2-14 season).
If we had signed Peyton Manning when he was a free agent prior to that 2012 season, no telling what we could have done. I'd argue we'd have gone to the Super Bowl in 2012, 2013 and maybe even now. Gary Kubiak would have never been fired. He'd still be here. We would have been a powerhouse in AFC for the past four seasons.
No doubt. But it leads me back to why did Rick Smith do what he did? Surely the Texans have medical staff members just as qualified as CND? Who blew the ball on that one?Because he had a Lisfranc injury.
CND correctly predicted Schaub's decline in play before Smith signed him to the contract extension.
Really, Paradis/Marshall/Ray/Sylvester Williams/Roby/Wolfe are all recent draft picks.
This doesn't even include badboys like Talib that the Texans would never sign in FA.
Brandon Marshall was drafted in '06. If you want to go that far back, then 1st round pick Tim Tebow is fair play (lol).
But my point is I don't look at the Broncos draft and say, "Man, Elway is clearly a better drafter than Rick." I just don't. He has his hits & misses just like Rick does. He has his "WTF picks" in Ball & Lattimer, just like Rick has.
Elway actually built this team mostly from FA, that's where he did a good job. But I know when people discuss GMs, they like to use drafting as the biggest measuring stick.
Marshall the LB, not the WR.
I'm a huge believer in using the draft and FA getting major FA's to build the team and have said this for yrs. Many have disagreed with me. The McNair's apparently disagree. The only time they've been major players in FA was after the 2010 6-10 disaster. They brought in JoJo and Manning and had the best 2 seasons infranchise history in 2011-2012.
Hopefuly they see what the Broncos have done and invest in the offense in FA this yr.
Imgaine what an offense with RGIII/LaDarius Green/Lamar Miller would look like in Texans gear.
The funny thing is I did know you were talking about Marshall the LB. I looked for Marshall in the Broncos draft history, and of course it only hit on Marshall the WR. I didn't know Marshall was actually drafted by the Jags. Another Elway FA acquisition.
I like LaDarius Green, would be a nice pick up for the Texans. I'm ok with bringing RGIII in, but of course, it all comes down to at what cost. I have a feeling a desperate team will overpay for him, which I hope won't be the Texans. And I'm not a Lamar Miller fan.
Do you REALLY think firing Kubiak and Phillips was a Smith Decision? I'll grant you he performs the duty, but some decisions are not made at the theoretical level, they are made upstairs and carried out by functionaries.Good thing Smith got rid of Kubiak and Wade. That solved all our problems. McNair is it clear now??????? I still say not trading down when we had 1.1 will set this franchise back 3-4 years. We will never know though. Smith reminds me of a politician, no accountability. Problem is McNair not doing something about it. Smith is Smith.
Do you REALLY think firing Kubiak and Phillips was a Smith Decision? I'll grant you he performs the duty, but some decisions are not made at the theoretical level, they are made upstairs and carried out by functionaries.
I don't disagree with you in this instance, but it seems as if this overall thought process is a too oft occurring theme here. What is it exactly that Rick Smith does? Many put personnel decisions on the coaches and staffing decisions on ownership.
You specifically have credited Smith with contract decisions, yet the contract decisions made by this organization over the past 5 years or so have been downright poor.
What does Rick Smith do and more importantly, what does he do well?
His forte is negotiating serviceable contracts for those persons we acquire. We've bee very good digging ourselves out of the cap hole we dug for ourselves. What we do with it remains to be seen.I don't disagree with you in this instance, but it seems as if this overall thought process is a too oft occurring theme here. What is it exactly that Rick Smith does? Many put personnel decisions on the coaches and staffing decisions on ownership.
You specifically have credited Smith with contract decisions, yet the contract decisions made by this organization over the past 5 years or so have been downright poor.
What does Rick Smith do and more importantly, what does he do well?
In the past 5 seasons, we've had 4 winning seasons, 3 division championships, 2 playoff wins. There aren't many teams in the league that have been this successful in the same time span. Who exactly should the credit go to for building a winning team? Rick? McNair? Kubiak? BOB?
Don't be letting facts get in the way of the love of hyperbole around here... just think how good we could have been if they didn't all suck so bad
Just love getting shutout/Blown out in the playoffs at home. Almost as much as watching Hoyer attempt to play QB.
Are those facts?
In the past 5 seasons, we've had 4 winning seasons, 3 division championships, 2 playoff wins. There aren't many teams in the league that have been this successful in the same time span. Who exactly should the credit go to for building a winning team? Rick? McNair? Kubiak? BOB?
Don't be letting facts get in the way of the love of hyperbole around here... just think how good we could have been if they didn't all suck so bad
Then why ignore the FACTS concerning weak teams other teams face annually. Isolated "FACTS" skew and distort intentionally to promote a desired outcome. I doubt those teams would be worse over this time frame, BUT I also doubt the difference is as dramatic as you either think it is or want others to think it is.In the past 5 seasons, the most successful run of this franchise, the Texans are 42-38 in the regular season. In the playoffs, the Texans are 2-3 with a score differential of -23. The two wins were against the Bengals, two games in which Dalton threw 4 interceptions. In the follow up games in 2011 and 2012, Brady and Flacco went for 5 TD passes and 0 INTs. That's the pinnacle of the franchise's success.
In this same time frame, the Texans are 8-2 against a Jaguars club that was 19-61 in the same time span and 8-2 against a Titans club that was 27-53 in the same time span. That's 16-4 against two clubs that were a combined 46-114. The Texans were 15-31 during the past 5 seasons against teams with a .500 or better win percentage.
Don't let facts get in your way.
In the past 5 seasons, the most successful run of this franchise, the Texans are 42-38 in the regular season. In the playoffs, the Texans are 2-3 with a score differential of -23. The two wins were against the Bengals, two games in which Dalton threw 4 interceptions. In the follow up games in 2011 and 2012, Brady and Flacco went for 5 TD passes and 0 INTs. That's the pinnacle of the franchise's success.
In this same time frame, the Texans are 8-2 against a Jaguars club that was 19-61 in the same time span and 8-2 against a Titans club that was 27-53 in the same time span. That's 16-4 against two clubs that were a combined 46-114. The Texans were 15-31 during the past 5 seasons against teams with a .500 or better win percentage.
Don't let facts get in your way.
The Colts are 15-25 against teams with a .500 winning percentage or better in that same time frame.
The Colts are 15-5 against those same two Jags/Tits teams that the Texans went 16-4 against.
The Colts have had Andrew Luck for 75% of those games over the last 5 years. The Texans best QB was Broke Schaub.
The Colts have made the playoffs three times, winning three games. That is the same appearances and one more win than the Texans.
These are facts as well. But we keep getting told that they do things so much better than the Texans, front office to sideline. That they are a successful franchise and the Texans are the laughingstock of the NFL. But the facts...